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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/pimco-kiesel-called-housing-top-160339396.html?source=patrick.net

Bond manager Mark Kiesel sold his California home in 2006, when he presciently predicted the housing bubble would pop. He bought again in 2012, after U.S. prices fell more than 30% and found a floor.

Now, after a record surge in prices, Kiesel says the time to sell is once again at hand.

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5642   DOGEWontAmountToShit   2024 Nov 27, 7:38am  

Misc says

Also, about 25% of houses are bought pure cash, Fuck the high mortgage rates.


But it is the mortgaged purchases that determine prices in most markets.
5643   WookieMan   2024 Nov 27, 12:50pm  

zzyzzx says





Math was that guys weak subject in school. Or his contractors fucked him over. He overpaid for the house likely and then overpaid for the rehab. Outside of coastal areas, $50-75k is a solid profit on a flip. Better off working a part time job waiting for the deal. Should have waited until it was $300k. Doesn't go there, don't buy it.

Flipping is generally stupid in this market. Unless you can bird dog some senior or something looking to get rid of their house moving in with family or a home. Estate sale so to speak. The profit is minimal on flips outside of coastal areas. Even then it's tough. Gotta get to 12 months inventory and get bottom of the barrel. Either way short term cap gains are going to kill you on profit. Better off getting a multi-unit that you can eventually convert to condos after renting for 5 years.
5644   gabbar   2024 Nov 28, 4:09pm  

WookieMan says

He overpaid for the house likely and then overpaid for the rehab

How does a buyer figure out if he is overpaying or not for a home? Real estate agents use comparables and this is how they justify the asking price.
5645   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2024 Nov 28, 5:55pm  

gabbar says

WookieMan says


He overpaid for the house likely and then overpaid for the rehab

How does a buyer figure out if he is overpaying or not for a home? Real estate agents use comparables and this is how they justify the asking price.


comps don’t account for many things, it’s just sqft
5646   Misc   2024 Nov 29, 1:33am  

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

Misc says


Also, about 25% of houses are bought pure cash, Fuck the high mortgage rates.


But it is the mortgaged purchases that determine prices in most markets.


Another thing that has come into being is that 34% of new buyers are coming in with downpayment assistance from Mom and Dad. When you add this to the $10k new buyer assistance from the State, it lifts the price of the house compared to price/income levels of the past. This is in addition to the 25% all cash buyers. So, yes, prices are inflated even for those with mortgages because of the extra coin being used for down payment.
5647   WookieMan   2024 Nov 29, 6:03am  

gabbar says

WookieMan says


He overpaid for the house likely and then overpaid for the rehab

How does a buyer figure out if he is overpaying or not for a home? Real estate agents use comparables and this is how they justify the asking price.

Asking price means nothing. Research the owner of a property. The agent wants more commission. They do the higher price. You find the property owner or family is distress and offer a low ball number. Do that 50 times and you’ll hit.

Then don’t have shitty contractors that screw you over. Or do the work yourself.

Flipping is easy, humans don’t have patience or need money. It could take 6 months to find a flip and you’re not making money. Ultimately I’d never advise anyone to flip though. Need to educate yourself and it’s a full time job. If you have no trade skills your margins will be tiny.
5649   Maga_Chaos_Monkey   2024 Nov 29, 12:05pm  

People who use leverage to buy bitcorn get their clocks cleaned out regularly by whales and other actors.
5650   DOGEWontAmountToShit   2024 Nov 29, 1:13pm  

Maga_Chaos_Monkey says

People who use leverage to buy bitcorn get their clocks cleaned out regularly by whales and other actors.


And yet Trump is supposed to set up a Bc reserve.
5651   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2024 Nov 29, 6:22pm  

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

Maga_Chaos_Monkey says


People who use leverage to buy bitcorn get their clocks cleaned out regularly by whales and other actors.


And yet Trump is supposed to set up a Bc reserve.


i’d riot if they did that. bullshit coin as i call it, nothing more than some video game currency invented scam. our government is involved in this scam, it’s obvious, they would have shit it long ago otherwise. creating pyramid schemes is illegal.
5652   WookieMan   2024 Nov 29, 7:27pm  

I've been one of the bigger BTC bashers. I'm still gonna have my kids toss in $100 soon. They each have about $10k roughly in cash and I want them investing it.

I won't at my age, but my oldest at 14, in 20 years before it's finished mining it will likely be worth more. How much is the question. Still worth nothing in my world, but it's a small bet and they've barely worked yet. Not gonna break the bank.
5653   Maga_Chaos_Monkey   2024 Nov 30, 11:52am  

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

And yet Trump is supposed to set up a Bc reserve.


Which is fine if they can't be margin called like the others I was referring to.
5655   stereotomy   2024 Nov 30, 8:38pm  

That's why we need to end the Fed. Yes, it would be 10-20 years of pain, but the boon to our kids, grandkids, and great grandkids would be immense.
5656   ForcedTQ   2024 Nov 30, 8:54pm  

No person that is a non USofA citizen (no dual citizenship either) should be allowed to own property in any state in the United States of America. No foreign companies or corporations either.
5657   stereotomy   2024 Nov 30, 9:51pm  

ForcedTQ says

No person that is a non USofA citizen (no dual citizenship either) should be allowed to own property in any state in the United States of America. No foreign companies or corporations either.

Furthermore - commodities futures markets should go back to way it used to be before the 1980's - only the producers and consumers of said commodities could participate in the futures markets that affected the products with which they were concerned. No hedge funds or "investment banks."
5658   WookieMan   2024 Dec 1, 7:05am  

ForcedTQ says

No person that is a non USofA citizen (no dual citizenship either) should be allowed to own property in any state in the United States of America. No foreign companies or corporations either.

Agree with everything except dual citizenship. Would have to be a primary residence, basically you live here full time. Did it legally. I don't see a problem with that. My Canadian BIL will get dual citizenship soon. Will buy a home. Work in the states and produce something for other Americans.

Illegals shouldn't be allowed or non-primary residents. Can't just buy a home and let it sit there from China or somewhere else. Live and spend here 6+ months of the year.
5660   GNL   2024 Dec 2, 6:19am  

Highest is 11 years? I thought this was an apocalypse.
5661   Ceffer   2024 Dec 2, 12:15pm  

Appalachia tool shed in Santa Cruz is now an even better bargain. This is what it costs for a beach sugar shack to enjoy thong season.



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