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My B58 Straight-6 engine powered BMW also does 0-60 in that time range, and can run well over 400 miles on a tank of gas (while keeping heat on full blast in winter) then takes only 5min to gas up before repeating. The only times I can push the gas pedal all the way are (1) highway merging, from on-ramp 30mph to 80mph speeding ticket risk takes only about 4 seconds each time; (2) passing other vehicles on two-lane roads (i.e. momentarily on the other side of the dotted median). There is very little chance of doing either in a Tesla or any other battery EV, because the limited range of battery EV means it won't go on road trips, and the high probability of a fiery death in case of any collision damaging lithium battery would dissuade one from trying to pass on dotted median while driving a battery EV.
BTW, I would't call driving any Tesla fun, simply due to the harsh ride quality.
You simply can't beat one pedal driving and regenerative braking. So much more natural and sophisticated than using primitive friction brakes to waste all that heat/dust energy to slow big heavy cars down.
I don't know which Tesla's you have driven, but all the new models (especially the revamped 3) has really good ride quality.
I bet any new BMW that can meet that acceleration costs several thousand dollars more to purchase than a Tesla. Also cost thousands of dollars more to maintain and fuel up compared to a Tesla.
The banks / governments / pension institutions need you to die and release them from account balance liabilities.
convertible pickup
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convertible pickup
Which model is this? I want one, but I only know of a Dodge convertible pickup from long ago.
The one pedal-driving is just as suicidal: it's setting the driver up to press hard on the one pedal during a desired emergency braking.
I am on my 3rd EV (1 Chevy Bolt, 2 Teslas) and the one pedal driving is absolutely sublime and one of the best features of EV's. One pedal driving makes driving fast so much more fun because you can accelerate and quickly slow down as if you are in a sports car in 1st gear with never-ending torque.
I live in a hilly place and can't stand driving my wife's ICE car smoking the brakes coming down hills and needing brake jobs every year.
ICE vehicles are so primitive!
Why not shift into 1st gear (or 2nd, 3rd) on a proper ICE car with proper conventional (torque-converter) automatic w/ sport-shift? Is your wife driving a belt/chain-driven CVT car in a hilly environment? In that case, replacing brakes might be a lesser problem than replacing transmission! Hilly place poses a greater problem for battery EV's than ICE cars that have conventional torque-converter automatics: the EV range is further reduced due to having to climb hills.
Too much work. Rather just push the go pedal and have all that power instantly available without having to dick around with primitive transmissions trying find the right gear going up and down hills. I can be doing 80 mph screaming down the big hill out of my neighborhood and the car will come to a complete and smooth stop simply taking my foot off the accelerator and all that kinetic energy is captured in my battery instead of wasted heat and brake dust particles.
Hills are an absolute blast for Tesla's going up and down.
We don't need to force it or have stupid government regulations - but I truly believe ICE will go the way of the steam engine in our lifetimes.
Especially now that Tesla has perfected the Semi Tesla that will revolutionize long hauls saving the trucking industry billions in energy and maintenance.
You should ask the guys test driving Tesla semis going up and down the mountain between Reno and Fremont if they miss all the gears and double clutching.
You may need some information updates. Battery EV Semi-truck projects are being abandoned due to range issues (and weight/capacity, safety, etc..); even the EV box-truck projects are heading toward bankruptcy (due to range problem).
Too much work. Rather just push the go pedal and have all that power instantly available without having to dick around with primitive transmissions trying find the right gear going up and down hills.
Not Tesla - they are building their new Semi factory in Reno right now. Pepsi and Frito Lay who got the first Tesla Semi's a year ago absolutely love them and demand is huge. The ROI is only a few years. Cost and maintenance to operate traditional ICE Semis is enormous. Doesn't matter how gay or green people think they are - Fleet Managers know how to manage their P&L's and Tesla will sell every Semi they manufacture.
Tesla batteries will last 1 million miles and the value of old batteries will be huge to the growing recycling industry. No EV batteries will go to waste. It is so much easier to refine and recycle the critical metals like cobalt and nickel from an existing battery than having to mine and process them from the earth.
Not Tesla - they are building their new Semi factory in Reno right now. Pepsi and Frito Lay who got the first Tesla Semi's a year ago absolutely love them and demand is huge.
You ever drive a manual transmission ICE vehicle? It's fun.
They're not viable for the cost. They're local "semi" trucks if you can even call them that. They're delivery trucks. Within 20-30 miles of a distribution center for 4-8 deliveries.
I grew up on manuals and and it's a total pain in the ass. Especially on hills!
Weird. I grew up on manuals and after severald decades it doesn't require any brain power to drive one, hills or no hills. It comes as natural as walking or, dare I say, breathing. Used to have a hellish 1.5hr commute over SM/Dumbarton bridges and even then it absolutely didn't bother me one bit. Maybe because I never stopped driving manuals.
With Tesla's one pedal driving I can easily speed up and slow down to slot my car into any position. It is such a more enjoyable, quicker and more efficient way of driving than having all your appendages commandeered.
One of my gearhead buddies would go on and on about how he preferred manuals (so he could drive faster) until he test drove my car realizing all the extra work he had to put into his ICE car to do less.
Writings like this make one wonder if the author drives any car made in the last decade at all.
I remember when I had to get off the couch to change the channel on the TV. Didn't think it was a bother until I got a remote control.
Why would a regular two-pedal automatic car commandeer any additional appendage of the driver at all?
Wasn't he talking about manual shift cars?
Except I drive rental automatics and EVs all the time and still come away with a giant "meh, I prefer my manual jalopies".
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Why would a regular two-pedal automatic car commandeer any additional appendage of the driver at all?
Wasn't he talking about manual shift cars?
HeadSet says
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Why would a regular two-pedal automatic car commandeer any additional appendage of the driver at all?
Wasn't he talking about manual shift cars?
95+% new ICE cars sold in the US are automatics. He/she was pointing out the workload issue with driving a manual as if that were a problem with all ICE cars , and touting the less workload when driving an EV using the "one-pedal-driving" method. 95+% ICE cars sold are automatics (and in the last 5+ years overwhelming majority of which also have ACC, Advanced Cruise Control, which makes touching any foot pedal unnecessary most of the time when following in traffic), over which the EV's have no workload advantage whatsoever.
ACC stands for “Adaptive Cruise Control”, in that it adapts the set vehicle speed to respect the set following distance and speed of the vehicle in front of it.
Tesla only rented out their rear wheel drive cars to Hertz and not the much faster dual motor versions.
workload issue with driving a manual
And you'd be wrong. I rented LR AWD ModelY from them.
ACC stands for “Adaptive Cruise Control”, in that it adapts the set vehicle speed to respect the set following distance and speed of the vehicle in front of it.
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And you'd be wrong. I rented LR AWD ModelY from them.
Then you must have it set at "chill" mode or drove it like an old lady.
There is no way you can drive a dual motor Model Y and not be impressed with the acceleration. It is one of the quickest cars on the road.
Basically $99/month to have a full time chauffer. No one in the world is close to what Tesla has already accomplished here. GM just announced they are bailing out of Cruz and Waymo is basically locked into geofenced areas that were heavily mapped by LIDAR.
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workload issue with driving a manual
Yeah, some back braking labor, LOL. What's next: the unberable burden of steering with your hands?... Wait, I think we already starting to hear that.
EV owners don't value time.
WookieMan says
EV owners don't value time.
I absolutely value time. Tesla's Full Self Driving is going to free up millions of hours for commuters all over the world to be doing more productive things then hanging onto a steering wheel and driving in grinding traffic.
Yeah, some back braking labor, LOL. What's next: the unberable burden of steering with your hands?... Wait, I think we already starting to hear that.
This shit annoys me to no end. It takes one slowpoke to create a long line of ACC-equipped cars to line up behind it and chug along 10mph below speed limit with drivers fingerfucking their phones oblivios to the fact.
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Electricity for much of the US and world is powered through coal, its just a switch to another equal pollutant. The batteries and materials used in EVs are full of heavy metals, not to mention that when the batteries in an EV combust they fill the air with pollutants, burning heavy metals that fire departments cant extinguish. Lastly, theres not enough data on current EVs to determine their shelf life, given the materials and amount of electronics, i imagine the shelf life of an EV will be significantly shorter than that of an ICE vehicle.
Given all of that, you will still be subject to the bitching and moaning of bugmen and babies who have never changed their oil in their life. The sheer panic that these people attempt to spread and their ever changing timeline of ecological destruction is obnoxious. These arent folks who attempt to clean up India or China(our leading polluters) but they want to concentrate on stripping you of your ability to choose.
The government is only too happy to comply too. The more that bloodsucking government can entangle themselves in transportation, the more control they have over you and your movement. The government gives companies like Tesla "Credits" that they can sell to ICE manufacturers who dont develop EVs, or dont develop them to the point that the government wants. This allows failing EV companies, like Tesla, to stay afloat even though they cant run a business efficiently. Honestly this type of behavior is more akin to a villain from an Ayn Rand novel, both with the governments overreach and with the behavior of many EV owners in general.