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2nd Amendment Discussion


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2018 Feb 17, 11:51am   288,874 views  1,465 comments

by CajunSteve   ➕follow (1)   💰tip   ignore  

With all the talk about the school shootings, let's take a look at what the 2nd Amendment actually says:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Couple things to note in there:

1. The specific mention of a militia being the reason for the need to bear arms.
2. The 2nd Amendment never mentions the word gun at all.

So, what exactly is the definition of "arms"?

In 1755 Dr. Johnson’s Dictionary of the English Language was first published. It defined “arms” as “weapons of offence, or armour of defence.”

Weapons of offence would seem to include pretty much anything and everything, from knives to nuclear weapons. The US has already seen fit to ban some weapons of offence so the 2nd Amendment clearly has not been interpreted strictly as meaning that the US cannot ban all "arms". Therefore, the 2nd Amendment does not guarantee citizens the right to own whatever weapons they choose.

So it then becomes a question of which weapons should be banned, which should be strictly regulated, and which should be lightly regulated or not at all. Like anything else, we should weigh an individual's right with society's right. When looked at in that manner, it becomes very difficult to justify why fully automatic or semi automatic rifles should be allowed. What purpose do they serve an individual? And why would that purpose outweigh the extreme damage those weapons have cased society??

Patrick thinks the Chamber of Commerce is the worst organization, and he may be correct, but the NRA is not far behind.



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1425   RWSGFY   2024 Dec 11, 11:16am  

zzyzzx says

Another video where they are using a 50 cal belt to hunt hogs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOt1HLXNRFE


Nice, but that ammo is like $4 per round. Ouch.
1430   ForcedTQ   2024 Dec 15, 3:18pm  

The_Deplorable says





Big piece of garbage Elliot is completely Anti-2A. That mofo may act in roles that would make you think he is for 2A, but reality is he’s not. Look it up, whoever made that meme should have used someone else.
1436   HeadSet   2024 Dec 24, 7:40am  

The_Deplorable says





Ironically, she gets his gun collection from the divorce.
1439   HeadSet   2024 Dec 29, 8:49am  

DOGEWontAmountToShit says





Yes, and I have witnessed around here that judges dismiss gun charge violations for minorities. While I was waiting for a case, I heard one judge dismiss a gun charge where a Black convicted felon tried to buy a gun - "He did not know better."
1446   HeadSet   2025 Jan 10, 8:39am  

The_Deplorable says





Why are we using an AK-47 as the example gun? Are we referring to ISIS, Taliban, or commie revolutionaries here?
1447   RWSGFY   2025 Jan 10, 8:53am  

HeadSet says

The_Deplorable says






Why are we using an AK-47 as the example gun? Are we referring to ISIS, Taliban, or commie revolutionaries here?


Because this is what is readily available and comes to mind first where that "meme"was created. I notice a lot of subtle signs of "created not here" in many "memes" flooding our interwebz.
1449   The_Deplorable   2025 Jan 10, 11:23pm  

HeadSet says
"Why are we using an AK-47 as the example gun? Are we referring to
ISIS, Taliban, or commie revolutionaries here?"

Well, FYI the AK-47 is an excellent weapon and superior to others in many respects.
1450   HeadSet   2025 Jan 11, 8:57am  

The_Deplorable says

Well, FYI the AK-47 is an excellent weapon and superior to others in many respects.

The main benefit is that the AK-47 is cheap and easy to manufacture. Otherwise, the AK-47 is heavy and has high recoil compared to M-16/AR-15 types.
1451   RWSGFY   2025 Jan 11, 11:15am  

HeadSet says

The_Deplorable says


Well, FYI the AK-47 is an excellent weapon and superior to others in many respects.

The main benefit is that the AK-47 is cheap and easy to manufacture. Otherwise, the AK-47 is heavy and has high recoil compared to M-16/AR-15 types.


Recoil is not bad (compared to Garand, tee-hee), but ergonomics and stock sights are shit. AR is far superior in these areas. And since cheap Commie surplus ammo has dried up owning an AK makes even less sense than before.
1453   The_Deplorable   2025 Jan 16, 3:13pm  

HeadSet says
"The main benefit is that the AK-47 is cheap and easy to manufacture.
Otherwise, the AK-47 is heavy and has high recoil compared to M-16/AR-15 types."

On the contrary, the AK-47 is not heavy with almost no recoil. In fact, in Vietnam
it proved to be superior to the AR-15 that had jamming problems - A problem the
AK-47 did not have.
1454   Eric Holder   2025 Jan 16, 3:20pm  

The_Deplorable says


in Vietnam
it proved to be superior to the AR-15 that had jamming problems


This "problem" hasn't been a problem for at least half a century now. And even then it was caused by things having nothing to do with the weapon itself.
1455   Eric Holder   2025 Jan 16, 3:23pm  

RWSGFY says


HeadSet says


The_Deplorable says


Well, FYI the AK-47 is an excellent weapon and superior to others in many respects.

The main benefit is that the AK-47 is cheap and easy to manufacture. Otherwise, the AK-47 is heavy and has high recoil compared to M-16/AR-15 types.



Recoil is not bad (compared to Garand, tee-hee), but ergonomics and stock sights are shit. AR is far superior in these areas. And since cheap Commie surplus ammo has dried up owning an AK makes even less sense than before.



American militia should be armed with current American weapons for bazillion of obvious reasons.
1456   The_Deplorable   2025 Jan 16, 3:27pm  

Eric Holder says
"[AR-15 jamming] was caused by things having nothing to do
with the weapon itself."

Such as what? Dirt from the Vitenam jungle? So... who cares? At that
point you are dead if you are facing an AK-47.
1457   Eric Holder   2025 Jan 16, 3:41pm  

The_Deplorable says

Eric Holder says

"[AR-15 jamming] was caused by things having nothing to do
with the weapon itself."

Such as what? Dirt from the Vitenam jungle? So... who cares?


Wrong type of powder in issued ammo and a false assertion that the rifle doesn't need cleaning.
1459   HeadSet   2025 Jan 18, 9:32am  

The_Deplorable says

HeadSet says

"The main benefit is that the AK-47 is cheap and easy to manufacture.
Otherwise, the AK-47 is heavy and has high recoil compared to M-16/AR-15 types."

On the contrary, the AK-47 is not heavy with almost no recoil. In fact, in Vietnam
it proved to be superior to the AR-15 that had jamming problems - A problem the
AK-47 did not have.

I have held both the M16 and captured Chinese AK-47s in my hands. That AK-47 was several pounds heavier. I have shot the M16 and it has virtually no recoil. I have not fired the AK-47, but folk who have did mentioned the recoil. In fact, the AK-47's high recall is common knowledge among gun enthusiasts.
https://thegunzone.com/does-an-ak-47-have-a-lot-of-recoil/
1460   The_Deplorable   2025 Jan 18, 7:41pm  

HeadSet says
"That AK-47 was several pounds heavier. I have shot the M16 and it has
virtually no recoil. I have not fired the AK-47, but folk who have did mentioned the recoil."

I fired the AK-47 a few times. From my experience, the AK-47 was not heavy and the
recoil was not an issue.
1464   Eric Holder   2025 Jan 22, 11:57am  

Patrick says







A_mm_endment? Who writes this shit? Not English speakers for sure. Same guys who first think "AK-47" when tasked with pasting a rifle picture into a "meme".

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