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The birther movement is basically centered in the far right’s disgust of interacial marriage,

Except that the "far right" leaders/originators of the birther movement were left-leaning Hillary Clinton-loving Democrats named Linda Starr and Philip Berg. Berg filed the first Birther lawsuit back in 2008, demanding an injunction to stop the Dem convention from going forward because he alleged that Obama was born in Kenya.

I don't think the birther claim is worth the energy at this point, other than to point out that I had to provide my birth certificate to get my 1st passport and my driver's license, so I don't think it's unreasonable to make the same request of our nation's President.. Unless his defenders think he should be above the rules that the rest of us have to live by

The state of Hawaii is satisfied with his birthplace. I recently had a patient who was born on two days - was home-birthed and her mother filed one birth certificate, her father another. Granted, this was 80 years ago, but the issue is the same.

We do the best that we can. Kenya blame us?

The state of Hawaii is satisfied with his birthplace. I recently had a patient who was born on two days - was home-birthed and her mother filed one birth certificate, her father another. Granted, this was 80 years ago, but the issue is the same.

They're somewhat different issues because Obama only provided a "certification of live birth", not a state approved birth certificate. They're two separate things.. the birth certificate contains far more details, for example name of the hospital, name and signature of attending physician or attending nurse, identity of registrar who filed the birth certificate + other info. More details here http://www.saltandlightblog.com/1124/nro-no-real-obligation/

The evidence appears overwhelming that he was born in Hawaii, but why not show the birth certificate like the rest of us have to do if we want a passport? For that matter, he's the only President in memory who didn't allow his college transcripts to be released. Remember all the fun the media had over GWB's mediocre grades at Yale, until they obtained Kerry's transcripts to learn he did worse? Gore released his transcripts too from what I recall. What's Obama hiding? Maybe nothing, but given his campaign promises of transparency, he should live up to his promises, especially on things so basic. Seems Obama would welcome Hawaii’s release of any record in its possession about the facts and circumstances of his birth... it's just a bit weird.

Kenya blame us?

Thanks for the smile. I owe you one.

I wonder if Obama ever showed his birth certificate to get a passport?

mikey says

I wonder if Obama ever showed his birth certificate to get a passport?

I'm sure he did, assuming he had a US passport, so why not provide it now? It would be interesting to know more about the passport he used to travel to Pakistan in 1981 http://ur.lc/ier

Are people really still supporting the birther movement? It really does seem like an absurd movement.

Maybe it's a conspiracy to make Joe Biden president?

Kevin says

Are people really still supporting the birther movement? It really does seem like an absurd movement.

Only conspiracy theorists - but I don't know why they'd be here, on an interweb real estate forum. I rarely see them posting RE related stuff and I suspect that there are too many numbers and stuff for them to join such conversations.

It seems to me a lot of hub bub would have been avoided, if we were still a Democracy where "RULES" apply for "EVERYONE" and "EVERY" politician.

Where Obama was born or his color for that matter, has been the least my problems with him.

But there are a set of criteria to be President, and if the Village idiot, wants proof that the Candidate. let alone the President elect is a bonafide Official. Then God damn it, put up or Shut up!

It's the Liberal party that has made the issue out of the Birthers. Every AMERICAN, has the right to question, as well as the right to Know such trivial matters as "Where was the President Born?"

Geesh! hand over the freaking keys to kingdom already to the Goosestepers already. And declare every one enemy of the state. "You're either wi'me or Again'me"

Sounds alot like an Ass hole we just got rid of.

Tenouncetrout says

But there are a set of criteria to be President, and if the Village idiot, wants proof that the Candidate. let alone the President elect is a bonafide Official. Then God damn it, put up or Shut up!

The problem is that "proof" seems to be a moving target. He has provided his birth certificate to the proper officials, Hawaii has certified that he was born there, there is a birth announcement in the Hawaii paper....

First, he didn't have a birth certificate, then it wasn't the right kind, then it was forged... It's a no-win situation.

If he can't supply the afterbirth its a fraud!!!!

tatupu70 says

Hawaii has certified that he was born there, there is a birth announcement in the Hawaii paper….

First, he didn’t have a birth certificate, then it wasn’t the right kind, then it was forged… It’s a no-win situation.

Look his shit smells bad just like yours and mine, can you name one official job you could satisfy with that arrangement? Let me see you get a drivers license with a news paper clipping.

HA HA HA!

Tenouncetrout says

Look his shit smells bad just like yours and mine, can you name one official job you could satisfy with that arrangement? Let me see you get a drivers license with a news paper clipping.
HA HA HA

Well, he had a drivers license and passport long before he was in politics... So, I guess you are saying that he must have a real birth certificate after all, huh?

tatupu70 says

Tenouncetrout says

Look his shit smells bad just like yours and mine, can you name one official job you could satisfy with that arrangement? Let me see you get a drivers license with a news paper clipping.
HA HA HA

Well, he had a drivers license and passport long before he was in politics… So, I guess you are saying that he must have a real birth certificate after all, huh?

Ten oz trout:

You started out as ten pound bass and then you changed your name. What have you got to hide? Please provide the proof that you aren't the same guy - or are the same guy. What day did you decide to change, why, and how did you do it?

You don't trust the gob'mint, we get it. But short of the President showing up on your doorstep with the documentation that you demand in his hand, you won't be satisfied wiht his answers to that question. The powers that be were happy with it, and that's good enough for me.

It's not always a big conspiracy. He's just a guy who was born in Hawaii.

The problem is that “proof” seems to be a moving target. He has provided his birth certificate to the proper officials, Hawaii has certified that he was born there, there is a birth announcement

Has there been a President in our nation's history who has blocked public view of his birth certificate? From what I've read, Obama is the 1st and only President who has done this. It's a bit weird, especially coming from the self-professed "most transparent President ever"... Who has yet to allow access to his college transcripts. Only an extremist "rightwingnut" would dare question such behavior, right?

Conservatives discuss birthers:

Michael Medved on birthers:

"Crazy, nutburger, demagogue, money-hungry, exploitative, irresponsible, filthy conservative imposters who are the worst enemy of the conservative movement and make us look sick, troubled and not suitable for civilized company."

Ann Coulter on birthers:
"just a few cranks"

Michelle Malkin on birthers:

"Birth certificate hunters have lurched into rabid Truther territory and that they accuse anyone who disagrees with them of being part and parcel of the grand plan to install Emperor Obama and usurp the rule of law."

mikey, how in any way does your post address the FACT that Pres. Obama has denied public access to his birth certificate? He's the first and only President to do so (to my knowledge).

I'm not a "birther", just a guy asking a few basic, reasonable questions of our President. I think it's dishonest as hell and malicious to try and mischaraterize and smear those asking reasonable questions as cranks. No doubt some are.

Would you agree that my questions are reasonable?

Mikey, your original post stated:

The birther movement is basically centered in the far right’s disgust of interacial marriage

This statement puts you clearly in the extemist freak element.

I'm in favor of birther control. That's extreme, too.
Give the nigga a chance. He might become a cracker jack president. (no offense to my rapper peeps)

I think that we're ignoring a greater truth - how do we even know that Obama is human? No birth certificate? Was he beamed down from some distant planet? If I YELL at you, will you be as outraged as I am? I said, ARE YOU AS OUTRAGED AS I AM? Seems to me if I yell it again...

Not only that, Obama has never been photographed with a fried chicken leg. This worries me no end. I want answers, people. Explanations. The truth. I can handle the truth, just like Jack Nicholson.
Come to think of it, I don't think Jack Nicholson has ever been photographed with a fried chicken leg, either. Hmmm...this sounds like it might be a conspiracy.
Could Jack Nicholson actually be Barack Obama in black face? Is Jack tall enough? And how did he do the lips?

Have you seen Jack Nicholson's birth certificate? Mikey, I demand that you produce it now! And yours... you're way too punny to be human. I'm not sure what you are, or where you came from... Does your amp go to eleven?

(shameless spinal tap reference)

ZippyDDoodah says

mikey, how in any way does your post address the FACT that Pres. Obama has denied public access to his birth certificate? He’s the first and only President to do so (to my knowledge).
I’m not a “birther”, just a guy asking a few basic, reasonable questions of our President. I think it’s dishonest as hell and malicious to try and mischaraterize and smear those asking reasonable questions as cranks. No doubt some are.
Would you agree that my questions are reasonable?

No, because you're just some random guy and he's the President. He has to deal with the worst recession in 80 years, extremist violence directed against us and our allies, a blooming national debt, the rise of a new super power, a deeply divided nation, and an incompetent legislature. He's also got two young children to deal with.

In short, no, your questions aren't reasonable. Come back when you matter.

When the doctor slapped me I slapped him back and he refused to sign my birth certificate. This made things tough going for me but I was able to sneak into the Bracero program where I did stoop labor picking lettuce in northern California to help feed mama and pay her rent. Boss man didn't seem to mind my wearing Huggies as long as I kept them changed. One laborer from Juarez with broken teeth took a shine to me and worked extra so I could have strained carrots on Tuesdays.
Mama is with the Lord now. (gunshot wound at the Harley House tavern during quarter a beer night) Man, could she piss people off. (pardon my French)
I can't recommend the place. The strippers are skin and bones and there's too much blue grass heartache in the jukebox. Strictly a pit stop.

mikey says

When the doctor slapped me I slapped him back and he refused to sign my birth certificate.

Strong little bugger, warn't ya? But there's a flaw with your story, Mikey. You claim to have been born in Nothern California, yet you speak French? Produce your proof young man, or it's back to Hawaii for you (no soup, either).

What happened to Zippy? Did he go to reset his sundial for daylight savings?

Ellie, I worked in northern Calif, I wasn't born there. I hopped a boxcar to get there to pick lettuce because I wanted to get ahead. As a matter of fact, the clacking tracks still resonate in my ears. One thing I learned was that you can never have enough talc.

ZippyDDoodah says

Has there been a President in our nation’s history who has blocked public view of his birth certificate?

Has there been a President in our history that has allowed the public to view his birth certificate? I think it's odd that he is being asked to do so.

By the way, I personally don't believe that Glenn Beck raped and murdered those kids. It's just odd that he hasn't come out with a statement denying it. It would be so easy just to tell the public what he was doing and explain what really happened. I'm not sure why he wouldn't do it...

mikey says

Ellie, I worked in northern Calif, I wasn’t born there. I hopped a boxcar to get there to pick lettuce because I wanted to get ahead.

From where did you hop this boxcar, Mikey? Ain't no boxcars from Hawaii. You worked under the Bracero program, which means that either you're a Mexican national or you emigrated from the US into Mexico only to enter the US to pick vegetables. You're lying to me and I'm getting steamed.

I can't ketchup. Maybe you had your eyes peeled for a potato picking job. Lettuce not forget how others worked real hard to get ahead in the only way they knew how. I gotta go, I yam late for work.

ZippyDDoodah says

I’m not a “birther”, just a guy asking a few basic, reasonable questions of our President. I think it’s dishonest as hell and malicious to try and mischaraterize and smear those asking reasonable questions as cranks. No doubt some are.

Sir Halt and stay where you are, the "Reconditioning" team will be there shortly.

We're in freaking la-la land, and these sanctimonious Libbies here, would hack up a piece of lung, if the person in question was a Republican.

Freaking line totters.

Can't see the shit for the brown tinted lenses.

President Obama has yet to release his birth certificate for public view. To my knowledge, he is the first President in history to block public access to his birth certificate. If I am correct in my assumption, and I believe that I am, this is a historic effort on Obama's behalf in obfuscation.

Most of the posters here, who clearly come from the far left side Democra side of the political spectrum, and they feel warm and comfy dismissing such concerns as extemist "birthers". What they are doing is dishonest to the core.

Bottom line for you leftist extremists who dominate these threads: Are you ok with Obama blocking public access to his birth certificate? Because contrary to what some of you have suggested, he has not publically released his birth certificate. He is, from everything I've read, the one and only President in our nation's history to have blocked access to his birth certificate. Most reasonable people want to know what is he hiding? Only that.

No, most reasonable people don't give a shit and they think people like you are crazy.

ZippyDDoodah says

He is, from everything I’ve read, the one and only President in our nation’s history to have blocked access to his birth certificate.

really? What have you read? Can you provide any evidence that ANY other President offered access to his birth certificate?

ZippyDDoodah says

Are you ok with Obama blocking public access to his birth certificate?

mmmmmmmmmm, yea. I'm okay with it. Can we move on now?

To be fair, George Bush never apologized for taking down the twin towers.

Yeah! Well only after the Germans bombed Perl Harbor.

Not to mention the Hindenburg hitting that iceberg.

Tenouncetrout says

Yeah! Well only after the Germans bombed Perl Harbor.

Where's your spirit?

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