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RayAmerica says

I saw a segment on this very subject on “60 Minutes” several years ago

When did 60 minutes become objective journalism? They originated the concept of write the conclusions you want for the story then come up with a story that supports it without letting any inconvenient facts interfere. Although they have been far surpassed, 60 minutes was at the beginning the most slanted, biased "news" program on the air. Many of their stories have been shown to be more entertainment than journalism.

bob2356 says

When did 60 minutes become objective journalism?

Exactly what I suspected; 60 Minutes is a part of the sneaky, diabolical "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy." Very clever of them to air on a liberal network. Well, you have to hand it to them. They have a lot of people fooled.

60 Minutes? Target market seems to be 80+. Perhaps age and advancing senility explain things.

duxbury001 says

ummmm… the irish banking industry imploded because of dumb mortgages and easy credit. They had a boom similar to Japan in the 80’s where the economy grew too fast.

Glad to see you backed off your absurd claim that government promotion of housing ownership caused the housing bubble in Ireland.

And the cause of the dumb mortgages and easy credit was.....?

RayAmerica says

bob2356 says

When did 60 minutes become objective journalism?

Exactly what I suspected; 60 Minutes is a part of the sneaky, diabolical “Vast Right Wing Conspiracy.” Very clever of them to air on a liberal network. Well, you have to hand it to them. They have a lot of people fooled.

Where exactly in my comment did I mention left or right wing? You seem to see the entire world as a vast pool of extreme liberals attempting to overrun your tiny tin hat bunker world. Grow up.

I said 60 minutes is crappy journalism, if anyone would go so far as to call them journalism at all. Period. If you want to use 60 minutes as a cornerstone to your world view that's you problem. If I ever watched a 60 minutes piece (doubtful, washing the dog would be a much better use of my time) I would then go and check the actual facts, not rely on 60 minutes "news".

marcus says

It’s true that bad teachers have a bit too much protection, but there is a reason that evolved. It has to do with providing job security for someone who is willing to choose (and commit to) a teaching career which is a servic

You really have a poor understanding of thugocracy. The people serve the government and the government serves its unions. NYC can't fire teachers because it costs millions in litigation. So it is open season on your daughters in NYC schools.

Thugocracy means that the connected can kill the silly taxpayers at will (like Richard Daley's nephew who just got away with murder). In chicago the union electricians were charging conventions $1200 to plug in a computers. The convention business was imploding. Out of some miracle the state government actually stood up to thugocracy and allowed conventions to not use unions (producing 10's of millions in revenues.

To quote Al Shanker (NEA founder) "I'll start caring about students when they start paying dues". For teachers, thugocracy trumps students any day. Teachers have an adversarial relationship with students and taxpayers (suckers to exploit).

it gets funny when people think increasing education spending will boost educational quality. The problem is that teachers are part of a gangster racket. Paying gangsters hostage money just makes them more powerful and belligerent. So the more educational spending has gone up in 30 years, the more the quality has gone down.

duxbury001 says

in 1945 the US had no significant foreign industrial competition

So what you're saying is--I don't care about the facts, here's my story again.

what was theMarkInSF says

Glad to see you backed off your absurd claim that government promotion of housing ownership caused the housing bubble in Ireland.

And the cause of the dumb mortgages and easy credit was…..?

Ireland was a giant recipient of EU money and had super stimulative low tax rates. These huge imbalances cauesed a tidal wave of prosperity that lead to a boom. Of course government policy plays a part in these booms. Markets are rapidly self-correcting. Government influence is not.

tatupu70 says

So what you’re saying is–I don’t care about the facts, here’s my story again.

Baffoon.... just out of curiosity... can you an industrial concern with significant revenues outside of the US in 1945? THEN SHUT THE F-UP.

Nomograph says

I could go on, but you get the picture…

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duxbury001 says

So it is open season on your daughters in NYC schools.

duxbury001 says

Thugocracy means that the connected can kill the silly taxpayers at will

duxbury001 says

For teachers, thugocracy trumps students any day. Teachers have an adversarial relationship with students and taxpayers (suckers to exploit).

duxbury001 says

it gets funny when people think increasing education spending will boost educational quality. The problem is that teachers are part of a gangster racket. Paying gangsters hostage money just makes them more powerful and belligerent. So the more educational spending has gone up in 30 years, the more the quality has gone down.

A troller's troll.

This guy reminds me of Troy. Always with the calm well thought out reason. No emotional bias. You can't help but respect his intellect and the way he assembles specific facts to convince readers of his position.

Even though I am a teacher, Ray Duxbury has such an incredible and higher grasp of all the issues in public education, that I can't begin to dispute his airtight arguments.

Nomograph says

My high-performance liquid chromatography equipment (HPLC) is all US-designed and US-made

Maybe...

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Remember, when our educational quality is compared to other countries, included are far more homogeneous countries, and countries where students are split off into training for trades at about the age of 12 to 14.

Our system is quite different.

If you look at the number of students taking AP classes (college classes in high school) it has steadily increased, most dramatically in recent years. It is debatable whether this is an entirely good thing, but it shows that we have an increasing number of students that are well prepared for college.

Yes, at the same time that public schools are producing more well prepared students than ever for college, they are doing a bad job with students from the poorest families.

duxbury001 says

So the more educational spending has gone up in 30 years, the more the quality has gone down.

So you think that spending per student is the only variable, and it is inversely correlated to outcomes.

Consider that poverty is a variable. Including low income but not quite technically below the poverty line. I wonder how those numbers have done the last 30 years. Because that is the group that we (public educators) don't do nearly well enough with.

I think the reason trolls like you hang around here is that in spite of your emotion, deep down you might be willing to learn something. The first step is realizing that there are many people with a lot more intellectual horsepower who can help you out.

RayDuxbury: You might consider exercising your mind. Because as far as I can tell you only exercise your emotions here. It has been shown that for seniors as well as everyone else, exercising you brain can lead to effective increases in intelligence.

http://www.ehow.com/how_4838849_exercise-your-brain.html

http://www.braintraining101.com/exercise-your-brain-in-15-minutes-flat/

I'm not kidding Dux, this would benefit you. Maybe just play some Soduko or do a crossword puzzle.

duxbury001 says

what was theMarkInSF says

Glad to see you backed off your absurd claim that government promotion of housing ownership caused the housing bubble in Ireland.
And the cause of the dumb mortgages and easy credit was…..?

Ireland was a giant recipient of EU money and had super stimulative low tax rates. These huge imbalances cauesed a tidal wave of prosperity that lead to a boom. Of course government policy plays a part in these booms.

Please explain how low taxes and a few hundred dollars per person per year of EU aid money caused the financial industry to make over $100 billion of bad loans, and then completely collapse. There is an enormous gap in your logic here.

MarkInSF says

Please explain how low taxes and a few hundred dollars per person per year of EU aid money caused the financial industry to make over $100 billion of bad loans, and then completely collapse. There is an enormous gap in your logic here.

ummm.. you know if you want me to teach you basic economics you really need to pay me $100/hour (like public school teachers). Google Irish tiger... THEN SHUT THE F-UP.

bubblesitter says

But how are realtors and potatoes related?

If you want to sell your house, pay two years' crops of potatoes to your scumbag realtor.

duxbury001 says

As for your “Reagan” problem… the seventies were an economic abomination.

The 1970s get a bad rap but job-wise they were outstanding.

Total Nonfarm Payrolls: All Employees (PAYEMS) 1971-1981

shows that the 1970s were a period of very strong growth.

It's my thesis that it was the baby boom turning 20 and 30 that prompted a lot of the inflation

The 2000s are a total joke compared to the 1970s:

Total Nonfarm Payrolls: All Employees (PAYEMS) 2001-2011

actually ending with FEWER jobs than what we started at. "Bush Economy" FTL.

and this graph:

National Debt / GDP, 1965 - 1995

shows that the national debt DECLINED vs GDP from 1970 to 1980, and EXPLODED from 1980 to 1990.

Troy says

In a just world their professional vocabulary would center on “Do you want fries with that?”

Good one. :-)

How do I start a new thread? I don't see a 'Compose' button or anything like that...

Troy says

bubblesitter says
But how are realtors and potatoes related?
In a just world their professional vocabulary would center on “Do you want fries with that?”

I don't think anyone could come up with something better.

Jacob M says

How do I start a new thread? I don’t see a ‘Compose’ button or anything like that…

I got it...

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Bullshit. You’re simply making up nonsense and pretending it’s true when you have no idea if you’re right or not. Japan’s period of huge industrial growth was called the “Golden 60s”. The 1960s was also termed the second decade of the “Japanese economic miracle. ” Industrial growth in Germany during the 1960s was termed the “Miracle economy”. Since you’re ignorant of these terms I suggest you look them up and educate yourself.

Yea, ok... my little asian boy from samoa. Yes, the earth really is round. Why don't you check out German industrial production vis-a-vis the US circa 1910? Or British? The 1950's was a delusional era when the three great powers (Uk, Germany, Japan) were on their knees. I am not doubting that they recovered from their cities being flattened and nuked very well... but their industries were playing catchup for decades and the US had no serious competitors. Japan's products were a joke in the 60's, Britain committed suicide by socializing its industries and Germany was just getting its act in gear. We all know how much of a serious rival China was in 1950... with those rice paddies and huts.

So I am not sure why your pea sized brain can't adjust to this... Like the Roman empire, we faced NO SERIOUS RIVALS from 1945-1980. After 2010 we don't face a rival, but are inferior to China in overall economic activity by some metricts.

So you are basically saying economic policy should be based on a very temporary period when the US had no major rivals... and that we should keep the idiotic complacency in 2010. We should pay people $70/hour to let them mow the lawn and $100/hour to teach our kids. Am I getting this straight?

duxbury001 says

Like the Roman empire, we faced NO SERIOUS RIVALS from 1945-1980. After 2010 we don’t face a rival, but are inferior to China in overall economic activity by some metricts.

Again-how come our balance of trade over that time period doesn't reflect this then? It should be easy to prove this--why don't you post some data to back it up?

Troy says

The 1970s get a bad rap but job-wise they were outstanding.

Sometimes you've really got to admire the work of college professors. As stupid it is... you really have to kick back and wonder. This is among the dumbest statements... bar none... I have ever heard. Its not something you argue against... like at a freak show when they have the wolf boy. You have to ask yourself can people be this stupid or indoctrinated? Who or what is responsible for this? You have to get philosophical about it and start to question how different we are from apes indeed. It starts to make sense about why the holocaust happend or Joe Stalin... Mao. It all makes sense now. People really can be that stupid.

tatupu70 says

Again-how come our balance of trade over that time period doesn’t reflect this then? It should be easy to prove this–why don’t you post some data to back it up?

OK, I realize your IQ is about half mine, but I am going to try to explain this in small words so that you might understand. Let's give a try? C'mon.. try to listen this time.

If the US is doing really, really swell.. and has super, duper money!!! really happy! Daddy and Mommy might buy a German car like a Porsche (zoom, zoom!!). So because Daddy and Mommy have SOOOOOOOOOOO much money they buy lots of stuff overseas.

But those Germans aren't doing so well.. they can't get as many credit cards and other things. They don't make as much money. So those germans don't buy that many IBM computers from the US.

And to add to our problems... THOSE MEAN GERMANS AND JAPANESE put up trade barriers and super sneaky ones like the VAT, which may our products super duper expensive over there.

So it ends up that we buy stuff from Germany than they buy from us... even though our economy is doing well at the time.

http://www.miseryindex.us/customindexbyyear.asp

It is true that huge numbers of baby boomers and women entered the work force.

Carter was a downer, with his malaise speech. He basically said we were spoiled. He was a true conservative

http://www.amconmag.com/article/2009/apr/06/00014/

I have a conspiracy theory that his anti consumerism message got him in trouble with the corporatocracy.

Hence, "DAY 332 OF THE HOSTAGE CRISIS" is what we heard every night for how many months on the news ? I guess that was before we learned not to play into the hands of terrorists.

duxbury001 says

It starts to make sense about why the holocaust happend or Joe Stalin… Mao. It all makes sense now. People really can be that stupid.

I sometimes lose faith in humanity too, but it's not because of people like Troy. What, you would have us believe that between you and Troy, he is the one who believes what his emotions tell him to believe, and you are the truly intelligent wise seer of the truth.

When I fear for humanity's future, it is because of authoritarian types like you who want daddy to tell them what to believe.

I know, I know, he's a troll and I shouldn't respond. I'm not the only one. And we all know it's Ray, or someone very much like Ray.

Carter from his "Malaise" speech:

"We are at a turning point of our history. There are two paths to choose. One is a path I’ve warned about tonight, the path that leads to fragmentation and self-interest. Down that road lies a mistaken idea of freedom, the right to grasp for ourselves some advantage over others. … All the traditions of our past, all the lessons of our heritage, all the promises of our future point to another path, the path of common purpose and the restoration of American values. That path leads to the true freedom for our nation and ourselves."

duxbury001 says

This is among the dumbest statements… bar none… I have ever heard. Its not something you argue against…

Of course you can't argue against it. I posted graphs showing the 1970s showed jobs increased from 72 million in 1971 to near 92 million in 1980, while Congress held the national debt steady at 25% of GDP as the 1970s came to a close.

Reagan then took over and juiced the national debt to 40% of GDP by 1990, doubling it in real terms.

The 1970s saw the creation of TWENTY MILLION JOBS.

Then I posted W's great economic performance -- just 8 million piddly jobs created, all of which vanished once the recession hit since they were bubble jobs on a bubble economy.

I lived through the 1970s and it was pretty damn good. What cost a dime in 1970 cost a quarter in 1980, but other than that life was super-fine since wages had also doubled to keep up with that inflation.

marcus says

When I fear for humanity’s future, it is because of authoritarian types like you who want daddy to tell them what to believe.

Actually what I am arguing against is pure and unadulterated criminality. Unions who have destroyed our country through their extortion, their kickbacks to the democrats. They have bankrupted not only the US, but many western states as well like Greece and Spain, where air traffic controllers make 450k and brought the nation to its knees. Today Hawaii is in darkness from thugocracy of absurdly overpaid electrical union workers.

You have to bear in mind the FDR did not allow public sector unions. He thought them wrong. My objection to them is not radical. After seeing the damages they have done I would argue that any remotely sane person would oppose.

Troy says

Of course you can’t argue against it. I posted graphs showing the 1970s showed jobs increased from 72 million in 1971 to near 92 million in 1980, while Congress held the national debt steady at 25% of GDP as the 1970s came to a close.

http://www.miseryindex.us/customindexbyyear.asp

the problem is that inflation and unemployment increased to utterly unbearable levels, making the 70's second to the 30's in terms of overall economic misery. No sane person thinks the 70's were a booming time of prosperity. I don't know where they teach that... but it is an utterly dumbfounding statement.

Reagan increased the deficit to defeat the soviet empire (where we were losing to the soviets in vietnam and afghanistan in the 70's). He succeeded. The deficit was then brought down as the peace dividend in the 90's when Newt took over. It was a staggering success.

duxbury001 says

the problem is that inflation and unemployment increased to utterly unbearable levels,

Do I gotta pull another chart here to educate you out of your foolery again? Here's unemployment:

The late 70s economy was pretty decent. Real wages were steady. Inflation didn't get *that* bad, like stuff in the Sears Catalog in 1975 wasn't that much different in price in 1980. Unemployment was elevated, but both the baby boom and women were just flooding into the workforce.

The front half of the baby boom was aged 15 to 24 in 1970. The economy expanded by 20 million jobs for them. Not too shabby.

And the big mid-70s recession was a combination of the oil shock and interest rates doubling from 5% to 10%+.

Reagan increased the deficit to defeat the soviet empire

LOL such right-wing fantasyland tripe. Soviet "Empire" defeated itself through its shitty command economy and inability to get reform going under Gorbie before things apart thanks to oil prices falling under $20/bbl 1986-1989 (when Alaska and the North Sea peaked).

Conservatives always assert Soviet-style centralized economies can never work, but when they finally blew up in the late 80s, oh, Ronnie Raygun did it.

Pick a f---ing story already.

duxbury001 says

the problem is that inflation and unemployment increased to utterly unbearable levels, making the 70’s second to the 30’s in terms of overall economic misery

1% if inflation doesn't cause the same misery as 1% unemployment. Not even close. That's just some arbitrary "index" somebody came up with.

duxbury001 says

MarkInSF says

Please explain how low taxes and a few hundred dollars per person per year of EU aid money caused the financial industry to make over $100 billion of bad loans, and then completely collapse. There is an enormous gap in your logic here.

ummm.. you know if you want me to teach you basic economics you really need to pay me $100/hour (like public school teachers). Google Irish tiger… THEN SHUT THE F-UP.

Ok, thanks. Yeah that completely explains how government policy caused the financial collapse in Ireland.

marcus says

But I would argue that blaming government unions for states financial problems doesn’t make sense.

Yeah, I agree to an extent. Public unions get a lot of scrutiny these days because state revenues plummeted and deficits are huge and cuts have to be made somewhere. The right, including duxbury here, are trying to claim unions they are the "the primary challenge confronting the West is thugocracy", but it's a pretty hard case to make. The certainly had nothing with the financial bust we're still dealing with today.

Teachers are the least of my worries as far as pay is concerned. For example, here in San Francisco a typical firefigher makes $140K including benefits and overtime, with base pay of $100K. No I'm not cherry picking, go look at the numbers at http://www.contracostatimes.com/public-employee-salaries-results

And they get to retire after 30 years with 90% of that base salary, 100% guaranteed, which they will be drawing for another 20 years. Not even including medical coverage. I mean seriously, you don't think that's overcompensated?

duxbury001 says

OK, I realize your IQ is about half mine, but I am going to try to explain this in small words so that you might understand. Let’s give a try? C’mon.. try to listen this time.
If the US is doing really, really swell.. and has super, duper money!!! really happy! Daddy and Mommy might buy a German car like a Porsche (zoom, zoom!!). So because Daddy and Mommy have SOOOOOOOOOOO much money they buy lots of stuff overseas.
But those Germans aren’t doing so well.. they can’t get as many credit cards and other things. They don’t make as much money. So those germans don’t buy that many IBM computers from the US.
And to add to our problems… THOSE MEAN GERMANS AND JAPANESE put up trade barriers and super sneaky ones like the VAT which may our products super duper expensive over there.
So it ends up that we buy stuff from Germany than they buy from us… even though our economy is doing well at the time.

OK--how about using some numbers this time. I know you can write a nice story, but real arguments use data and numbers to back up their points.

Your problem is that the data tells a different story than your narrative.. It helps when your mind isn't already made up before you see the data...

Troy says

Not having to deal with landlords over the past 30 years also has non-monetary benefits.

Well, not having to deal with mortgage brokers, realwhores, banks, and remodel/repair contractors also has its non-monetary benefits.

Troy says

I lived through the 1970s and it was pretty damn good. What cost a dime in 1970 cost a quarter in 1980

That’s fine so long as your purchases are limited to candy bars, but that’s more than a 100% increase in a decade and I can promise you the same candy bar was smaller. The same principle was present in the prices of everything in those years, which is what made it so painful. For whatever reason, when inflation is raging, you’re not only penalized by an increase in price, you’re penalized by a decrease in content at the same time. Here’s a representative example in the realm of automobiles, which is the next highest expenditure besides housing. In 1960, the least expensive Oldsmobile 98 could be bought for $3,900, and that was a large, powerful highway cruiser that could pass anything on the road. Ten years later, in 1970, that 98 could be replaced for $4,400, barely a 15% increase in price. And that increase in the golden age of GM engineering bought the best engines, air-conditioners and transmissions, the Turbo-Hydramatic 400, in GM history, with a 5 year/50K mile warranty since 1965. By 1974, warranties had been slashed to 1 year/12K miles and prices were increased five times during the year. By 1980, the thing that was called an Olds 98 had increased 115% to $9,400, while at the same time having extracted every component by the bean-counters that made it such an attractive vehicle in 1970. It was fitted with the weakest transmission and poorest quality air-conditioners in GM history and was driven by a weak-sister small V-8 with 150 HP. Prices doubled again to $20,000 by 1989. If the quality and content had remained constant, the increases would have been bad enough, but it was a double insult to be receiving so much less year after year while paying more and more. I’ve used this particular model as an example, but the same things were true across the board for all makes and models. It’s the main reason foreign cars became more popular as they were better built, but you were still getting less car than you had in the 60’s.