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That's all nice, and stories make you warm inside, but in reality, Trayvon was on a very shaky path, and more often than not, those kids don't make it.

Goran_K says

leo707 says

Um...because TM did not have a past history of burglary.

We were talking in the hypothetical. You said "Let us assume for a moment that TM did steal the jewelry and was found guilty for that in a court of law."

Oh, right got a little off track.

Goran_K says

That picture evidence would have been helpful and admissible to prove he was indeed a burglar with a history. Sorry if it's un-pc, but your history follows you, even into a court of law.

OK, no assumptions...TM had no record, was never "proven" to be a thief. It is just our speculation that he was. It is highly unlikely that any judge would let something into evidence that encourages a jury to come to unproven conclusions about the victim.

yeah Trayvon got lucky he was caught by a school officer and not a real cop.

Goran_K says

That's all nice, and stories make you warm inside, but in reality, Trayvon was on a very shaky path, and more often than not, those kids don't make it.

I don't think that Trayvon's path was much more shaky that a lot of 17 year-olds.

I have a couple of friends who works with juvenile offenders at different levels and the kids that I would put in the "more often that not, they are not going to make it" have much more disturbing backgrounds than Trayvon. Kids that are real dangerous vicious thugs. Kids who, if their lives got the same media attention as Trayvon's did, would make you either cry or shit-your-pants scared that they and their families even exist.

Trayvon's life has been cracked open and pretty much every dirty secret he had where there was any evidence has been laid to bear. What do we get? Some bad mistakes and stupid shit. I don't see a life long systemic pattern of stupid shit.

Disagree, he got into a fight with an armed man. It didn't end well.

Considering his history of numerous fights with kids after school where he looked at fighting as a game, and his thug life admiration, I can't say I am shocked.

Goran_K says

yeah Trayvon got lucky he was caught by a school officer and not a real cop.

That kind of luck has a lot to do with if a kid either gets their shit together and is a productive member of society in the twenties, or if they become a career criminal.

leo707 says

Why do you think that some people here are instant on assuming TM's guilt, when the evidence for the police to pursue TM on any criminal charges did not exist? Why do the same people ignore Zim's violent brushes with the law?

Good questions.

leo707 says

I don't see anything so bad about Trayvon that he was destined to become a career criminal.

Are you remembering that he was black, and wore a hoodie? What hell man. What more do you need ?

^^^^

WTH?!?!!

Some white bitch wrote that!

Goran_K says

We didn't have that in Zimmerman's case, in fact, after an ethical investigation into Zimmerman's past, a lie detector test, witness accounts, he was let go! Zimmerman was put on trial to appease a block of people who wanted to see Zimmerman on trial, and possibly fish for a conviction. Angela Corey is an evil woman.

This is why I say this is the stupidest guy on Patnet. He's heard the arguments from countless people on here countless times, and the wall that contains what he wishes to believe prevents him from even comprehending.

It's simple, if Zimmerman hadn't taken the law in to his own hands to pursue,very likely confront, and instigate violence with Martin, then the murder would not have happened.

You need not repeat that it's "speculation" that Zimmerman caused the fight to occur. We don't know. Zimmerman's story is no better than speculation. WE do know with 100% certainty that if Zimmerman had been rational that night 2 things would not have happened.

1) He would not have assumed MArtin was a criminal

2) He would not have pursued him armed with a gun

Then there's Zimmerman's very factual record of being a prescription speed user, and having fits of rage attacking people in the past.

And you want to say this ?

Goran_K says

overcharged Zimmerman and failed to provide an honest evaluation of the strengths and weaknesses of her case to the judge who allowed her to proceed with the case.

As I said, clearly the stpidest person on Patnet.

I'm assuming this bs about the prosecutor is a Fox News story. Am I being redundant ?

Not saying there aren't questions here, but you're blowing it out of proportion. Then again, maybe you're right. MISTRIAL !!

None of what you just posted is against the law( and if also argue that "pursue with a gun" is a mischaracterization of the facts.

Would you prefer pursue while armed with a loaded gun.

dodgerfanjohn says

None of what you just posted is against the law

Actually if Zimmerman instigated the fight (or even threw the first punch (missing)), then I don't think there's any way he should not be found guilty of at least manslaughter.

she fired a whistleblower, she'll get her day in court for that. Withholding evidence is a crime.

Next you guys and Fox news might consider trying to go after the judge, for denying the defenses request to throw the case out.

marcus says

dodgerfanjohn says

None of what you just posted is against the law

Actually if Zimmerman instigated the fight (or even threw the first punch (missing)), then I don't think there's any way he should not be found guilty of at least manslaughter.

How did you refute my point?

Me-you posted nothing against the law.

You -well I think the law should be XYZ

Kinda odd for a guy who's running around calling others unintelligent, yes yes?

Btw, why you racist?

dodgerfanjohn says

How did you refute my point?

Me-you posted nothing against the law.

I guess there is one entire sentence there for you to comprehend. Is it that you can't comprehend it or that you don't think manslaughter is against the law.

Btw, I reallly can't help you with your race issues. But I think it's really cute, and in keeping with your style and intelligence level that you try to turn it around on me.

The jury did not conclude beyond a doubt that Zimmemran cause d the fight. I don't even know how much of a thrust that was to their legal strategy. But if they were emphasizing manslaughter, it probably would have been. I'm sorry that these things aren't more simple for you.

You're correct that there probably is no Florida law that says one can claim self defense in a killing that was a consequence of a fight that they started. OR maybe it is part of the Florida law. I haven't read all their laws.

marcus says

The jury did not conclude beyond a doubt that Zimmemran cause d the fight.

And that's all that matters.

Now stick to the topic of Angela Corey being corrupt prosecutor who is being indicted for withholding evidence from the defense.

She should be fired for being a man in drag, badly done.

Well, maybe trayvon was the gay one, with all the jewelry and such. And he was trying to come on to the community watchdog, who would have none of it.

Quigley says

I thought the most damning pic from Trayvon's phone was the pile of jewelry on the bed. Zimm was after the right burglar. All of a sudden it makes sense that TM would attack someone who was reporting on his activities. TM's death may have been tragic, but so was his life, and his career in crime was already quite a nuisance to his neighborhood.

Marcus, dude, I get that this case trips your buttons but you got to stop calling people stupid simply because they disagree with your interpretation of the facts. Also you went and restated your entire tired speculation on the case that we've all heard many times before. It's straight off the lame stream media tag line. You could at least stick to the topic of whether the prosecutor should do time for her crimes.

Ok on a related note, this case is sheer distraction of the American people. It's designed (and I do mean designed, fabrication of story, etc) to cause racial tensions and create heated debate among people. The tag line of "watchman kills kid walking home" is perfectly crafted to trip the natural buttons of anyone who thinks kids should be protected (including me, at least before I found out more). So this whole situation blows up as intended, the jury acquits Zimmerman as they HAD TO if they followed the law, and the distraction rages on. I called the acquittal here on patnet over a week before it happened, and I felt safe in doing so because I saw the point of this whole thing: distraction.

The wealthy elite want us at each others throats and not watching what they're doing, selling our futures to foreign powers and stealing our childrens' futures. They have to be giggling like Dr. Evil, one pinky raised to pallid lips in a sneer of contempt for the naïveté of the American people.
The real rape, the real murder is happening all around us, and the mighty wiZard implores us to "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!"

Bread and circuses, as usual.