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Rin says

Quigley says

Treating them as the children of the community is a more modern way of looking at this, and would instantly render moot this entire thread.

Well, isn't the whole foster parent thing, a failed attempt at such an ideal?

I mean it's one thing where parents' admonish each other with expressions like, "Don't tell me how to raise my child!" and then, a system where in effect, ppl live in an extended "Brigadoon" highlander clan US zip code.

I'd argue that the foster parent system is a clumsy patch on a boat with many leaks. People who are paid by the state to grudgingly provide necessities to a child have motivation to do the wrong thing (turning it into a business) and only their own consciences to compel them to do right by the children.
Parents in this society have tyrranical authority over the situation of their children, so that if they are bad parents the hold suffers without recourse (as long as certain narrowly defined conditions of malfeasance are not met). And if they are good parents they still must struggle in competition for limited resources with other citizens merely to provide an adequate standard of living for their offspring.
Communal child care isn't easy, and the reason is that we haven't evolved culturally to the point where petty differences can be put aside, contribution measured justly, and a system of raising children agreed upon.
We are still primitive, and so we must behave as primitives, less our children be put at a disadvantage.

Reality says

The loser class has become the reproductive aristocracy (whose sole job is to reproduce and enjoy their lives) riding on the middle class (the latter essentially becoming serfs) thanks to tax and transfers that benefit losers at the expense of the middle class and upper middle class.

This is hardly new:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics

Reality says

The home cooked meal was not taxable

Are you advocating for a new tax? LOL

Quigley says

Communal child care isn't easy, and the reason is that we haven't evolved culturally to the point where petty differences can be put aside, contribution measured justly, and a system of raising children agreed upon

Sure, you can care as much for the children of the others as for your own. The same way that in communist countries you care as much for the benefit your labor labor brings to the community as the benefit it brings to you (that it happens to be 0.00..001%)

Indiana Jones says

I don't know about you, but other websites I visit do not have this kind of childish, inane ranting and name calling. There is intelligent; adult conversations happening

Are you saying that name calling is incompatible with intelligent conversation?
Perhaps the mismatch is your sense of aesthetics is what makes you a mismatch with this websiteIndiana Jones says

I quite like it, and I have learned a lot about the real estate market.

I also have learned about monetary policy and health care systems. A percentage of slightly-related topics is welcome for me and I presume by all the ones that read it and answer.

You can read just the real-state threads/articles if you dislike the others.

denise says

Did you create this site as a forum for discussions of real estate, or to assemble a pathetic bunch of misogynistic losers?

I don't know how many misogynist are around, but if so certainly most European women are as well. They get surprise when they know the American women attitudes. In general, highly spoiled and 90% only being able to compromise with the top 1% of males. To spoil them, of course.

It's a stereotype. And stereotypes are not true. Of course, germans are not stubborn, French are not arrogant and Italians do not spend more time than their women in front of the mirror. Till you start meeting German, French and Italians...

A common wisdom joke:

HEAVEN IS WHERE -
American salary
British house
German car
Chinese food And
Indian wife.
HELL IS WHERE -
American wife
British food
German house
Chinese car And
Indian salary.

http://patrick.net/?p=1228334

This seems to contain snippets from the yahoo! finance and Reuters post I had linked in my previous post.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/analysis-higher-prices-sap-foreign-040338632.html

So your position must be "Male dominance has been around since BEFORE the Big Bang", as my 'centuries' comment covers every second since....

Reality says

SoftShell says

What do you think brought about the feminist movements? Centuries of male dominance.

No. Male dominance had been in place for much more than mere centuries.

I prefer blinders....

marcus says

Just looking at sex:

which equates to about 10% of number of categories of mistreatment of women over the centuries....

Quit bitchin while your ahead....your gonna fuck it up for the rest of us...

Dan8267 says

This thread was about the treatment of men as second-class citizens by our society, in particular by the media, the family court system, and the police.

SoftShell says

which equates to about 10% of number of categories of mistreatment of women over the centuries...

You seriously need to read this post very carefully.

i did, and....

Dan8267 says

SoftShell says

which equates to about 10% of number of categories of mistreatment of women over the centuries...

You seriously need to read this post very carefully.

All very compelling, until you hit the line below.

Just because the ruling class makes the laws, does not mean the common man must follow them. The 'typical man' is not absolved of anything. He 'chooses' to follow the law laid before him. Alternate choices are rebellion/revolution.

The true moral of your story is that the typical common man is as guilty of following a corrupt law as the ruling class is of issuing it.

Dan8267 says

The moral of the story is that the typical man is not responsible, in any way shape or form, for the choices made by the ruling class.

Recent Dow day is Monday, August 19, 2013

ja says

Reality says

The loser class has become the reproductive aristocracy (whose sole job is to reproduce and enjoy their lives) riding on the middle class (the latter essentially becoming serfs) thanks to tax and transfers that benefit losers at the expense of the middle class and upper middle class.

This is hardly new:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics

I'm not advocating eugenics. What we have is governmebnt enforced (through taxation and subsidies) disgenics/malgenics by encouraging/subsidizing the least productive and most irresponsible to reproduce more . . . hence consequently idiocracy is what we end up with.

I just previewed a dump for us bottom feeders. Called my agent & she told me it has a overseas owner who bought in 2008. I looks as if it's been sitting there unoccupied for several years.The listing price is the same as they paid in 2008.

HEY YOU says

I just previewed a dump for us bottom feeders. Called my agent & she told me it has a overseas owner who bought in 2008. I looks as if it's been sitting there unoccupied for several years.The listing price is the same as they paid in 2008.

A house that I offered on and lost earlier this year has been sitting vacant for 6 months now. It looks condemned. It went all-cash to Chinese nationals (at least according to the sellers' agent that my agent talked to) for $140k over asking. The grass is about 18" tall and some of the composite wood siding that needed to be repaired even back then is now partially falling off. I'd be pissed if I was one of the neighbors because it looks like a rat nest in an otherwise nice neighborhood. I wonder what the rules are for reporting residential blight.....

SoftShell says

The 'typical man' is not absolved of anything. He 'chooses' to follow the law laid before him. Alternate choices are rebellion/revolution.

The true moral of your story is that the typical common man is as guilty of following a corrupt law as the ruling class is of issuing it.

Wow, sometimes I forget how wacked you're point of view is.

Throughout history, most rebellions have ended in the slaughter of the rebels. It is relatively rare when a rebellion succeeds and the rebels establish a new order. Even talking about rebellion in most societies, including our own, has a tendency to lead to be tortured, imprisoned, and/or killed.

To blame the common man for not rebelling under these conditions is harsh to say the least.

When I hear this song on the radio it always makes me laugh, not because I've been there exactly. But close enough.

Maybe relevant to the thread.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/CkFH0KMO0G0

It doesn't have to be revolution. They can also choose not to follow the corrupt law, and dodge enforcement authorities.
It probably happens on the same scale as your 'corrupt policeman' estimates...

Dan8267 says

To blame the common man for not rebelling under these conditions is harsh to say the least.

bmwman91 says

HEY YOU says

I just previewed a dump for us bottom feeders. Called my agent & she told me it has a overseas owner who bought in 2008. I looks as if it's been sitting there unoccupied for several years.The listing price is the same as they paid in 2008.

A house that I offered on and lost earlier this year has been sitting vacant for 6 months now. It looks condemned. It went all-cash to Chinese nationals (at least according to the sellers' agent that my agent talked to) for $140k over asking. The grass is about 18" tall and some of the composite wood siding that needed to be repaired even back then is now partially falling off. I'd be pissed if I was one of the neighbors because it looks like a rat nest in an otherwise nice neighborhood. I wonder what the rules are for reporting residential blight.....

Find out:

http://www.citysourced.com/neighborhood/2544/us/california/santa-clara-county/city-of-santa-clara

bmwman91 says

It went all-cash to Chinese nationals

It went all cash to Chinese bagholders! "Got it"...

Call it Crazy says

HEY YOU says

I just previewed a dump for us bottom feeders. Called my agent & she told me it has a overseas owner who bought in 2008. I looks as if it's been sitting there unoccupied for several years.The listing price is the same as they paid in 2008.

What??..... it's 2013 and you didn't offer DOUBLE what they paid for it???

That's so un-American of you.....

OMG! Buy now before it's to late...

SoftShell says

It doesn't have to be revolution. They can also choose not to follow the corrupt law, and dodge enforcement authorities.

OK, start by growing weed. See how well you do. Enforce your land rights with your Second Amendment rights.

Bubbabear says

bmwman91 says

It went all-cash to Chinese nationals

It went all cash to Chinese bagholders! "Got it"...

The Chinese bag holder probably got rich in the real estate Ponzi scheme going on out there - but may be on the way to unravelling.

marcus says

When I hear this song on the radio it always makes me laugh, not because I've been there exactly. But close enough.

Maybe relevant to the thread.

We covered that song with "the band" back in the days - lots of groupies.. ;)

oh i see some tough guy come in here and show us how "manly" he is because he's not a wimpy fuck. can't wait until this moron gets to divorce court. some nice surprises waiting. but again some guy has nothing so they have nothing to worry about.

No rebuttal from the bulls? Market is changing from bullish to bearish? From sellers to a buyers' market?

mbSFBay says

Bubbabear says

bmwman91 says

It went all-cash to Chinese nationals

It went all cash to Chinese bagholders! "Got it"...

The Chinese bag holder probably got rich in the real estate Ponzi scheme going on out there - but may be on the way to unravelling.

It's more like their escape plan / plan B. When shit hits the fan there, they can flee with their ill-gotten riches to here and out of Beijing's grasp when the proletariat grows restless and demands that the crooked slave (factory) owners' heads roll. Then again, Beijing may just roll tank battalions into the poor districts and silence the rabble-rousers to protect the wealthy and connected. It'll be interesting for sure.

hanera says

No rebuttal from the bulls? Market is changing from bullish to bearish? From sellers to a buyers' market?

Not sure what there is to rebut. Foreign purchases have fallen 30%, so now they make up 20-25% of all RE sales in the SFBA instead of 30-40%. Friends of mine that are looking to buy are still getting out-bid by tech DINK couples and foreigners across the valley. So, it still sort of sucks to be a buyer here without heaps of cash. HOPEFULLY this is the start of a cooling RE market and price escalation will taper off because it has been insane in the last 18 months, particularly given the merciless increases in rent. I had a hell of a time finding a new apartment last year, and the market is even tougher now.

deepcgi says

With baseless currency and over-leveraged paper allowing the "Robber Barons"
to rule, it's impossible to blame Austrian Economics for your latest
headache.

Please explain exactly how a baseless currency and over-leveraged paper allow the Robber Barons to rule. Be specific.

And please avoid any references to "cronies" unless you explain in detail who they are and how they are benefitting.

So the term "dodge" is foreign to you??

Dan8267 says

SoftShell says

It doesn't have to be revolution. They can also choose not to follow the corrupt law, and dodge enforcement authorities.

OK, start by growing weed. See how well you do. Enforce your land rights with your Second Amendment rights.

If such a situation would arise, I would lose nothing.
It's not my fault you did not have the foresight / mental capacity to put your assets into an irrevocable trust prior to getting married.

In life, you get what you deserve. Now stop whining like some (fill in the blank), grow a pair and learn from your fuckup.

Mark D says

oh i see some tough guy come in here and show us how "manly" he is because he's not a wimpy fuck. can't wait until this moron gets to divorce court. some nice surprises waiting. but again some guy has nothing so they have nothing to worry about.

Western men are very much to blame for the way that many of them are treated.

You act like a punk bitch, people will treat you like one.

Handle your biz like a real man, and you are treated like one in return.

Annual world gold production is around 80 million ounces. Tying currencies to gold would limit monetary base expansion to this number per year.

At even $2000 per ounce, global economic expansion in excess $160 Billion dollars annually would increase the value of the currency - that is, if output exceeds currency growth, then the following year, output (work) relative to currency would fall. The current world GDP is about $85 Trillion USD. This would limit growth to .1%, otherwise holding of currency (and hoarding) would be encouraged.

After one year at 3% global economic growth vs. .1% currency growth, currency would increase in value 2.9%. Every 24 years of compounding would see currency double in value relative to output (work).

So over one's working career, currency would increase in value about 4 times. One year of work today, saved, would be "worth" 4 years of work at retirement. It would therefore benefit first movers (or first born) vs. future generations.

Therefore, tying currency to gold would discourage investment, encourage hoarding, and exacerbate wealth disparity.

Like many posters on here, I'm not sure you understand what Keynesian economics really means. Walking away from mortgages, poor incentive systems by banks, fraud on mortgage applications--none of those are Keynesian.

All this focus on Keynes is a distraction from the real problems--wealth inequality, US trade imbalance, et. al.

tatupu70 says

All this focus on Keynes is a distraction from the real problems--wealth inequality, US trade imbalance, et. al.

Both wealth inequality and trade imbalance are consequences of the monetary policy, which is part of the modern Keynesianism apparatus.

Heraclitusstudent says

Both wealth inequality and trade imbalance are consequences of the monetary
policy, which is part of the modern Keynesianism apparatus

I'll ask again then. Please explain why you believe this to be the case. Be specific. And avoid generic explanations like "cronies get the money first".

tatupu70 says

Both wealth inequality and trade imbalance are consequences of the monetary

policy, which is part of the modern Keynesianism apparatus

I'll ask again then. Please explain why you believe this to be the case. Be specific. And avoid generic explanations like "cronies get the money first".

- Wealth inequality: because rich people see their assets inflated, and their rents/interests perpetuated/guarantied and increased, whereas the poor people take more debts and so pay more in interests, which makes it harder for them to accumulate wealth.
- trade imbalances: because discouraging savings in the US creates an account deficit, which expresses itself mainly through the trade deficit. Or said an other way: the policy is to lead people (in aggregate) to consume more, even more than they actually produce, through the use of debt, and this means a trade deficit.

Alexander Kinyua on Monday pleaded guilty to charges that he killed a family friend and ate his heart and part of his brain

This brings up a dilemma. Heart is obviously served with red wine, but brain is customarily served with white. Which do you serve with the surf-n-turf of cannibalism? A rose wine?

And Alex, didn't your mother teach you to finish your plate. There are children starving in the world that would love some of that brain and you just eat part of it after I slaved over a stove for two hours.

You are right in that I am referring to what Keynesianism has become rather than what it was meant to be. By its nature, however, it is inevitably corrupted. "Fiscal Policy", as a phrase at all, is a flawed concept that leads to the abuse we see. A free market cannot coexist with governments manipulating the money supply for political advantage.

It's the difference between theory and reality; the difference between mathematics and science. They are not equivalent. Once governments begin manipulating a fiat money supply, the abuse is assured. According to Keynesianism, fixed prices will cause production output to increase from additional spending. Government expenditures are the primary tool for increasing production output. The problem is that governments do not have endless funds for paying expenses. The only true way to increase government income is through higher taxes, which decreases individual wealth.

In the event of a downturn, the consumer cannot increase spending so that becomes the job of the government. Politicians use the Keynesian toolset to create false demand for goods and services which are very likely not truly in demand. These politicians of both parties use their monetary and fiscal policies for pet projects and promises.

Are you fishing for Austrian Economics versus Trust-Busting as the trump-card moral dilemma? That is apples and oranges.