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You didn't earn that Noble Prize mr. president...

Honest Abe says

Success is continually demonized by the "president". Class warfare at it finest

You don't have a clue.
I'm a job creator, and I pay more corporate and personal taxes in one year than you will in a lifetime...

HRHMedia says

APOCALYPSEFUCK is Shostakovich says

Zero taxes for Job Creators ! They are the CHRIST in our midst !

taxes lol, they pay no taxes, Job Creators are being PAID TO CREATE JOBS they are not creating.

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xrpb11a says

I'm a job creator,

Right, you went into business to create jobs? I owned and operated a business for 23 years hired hundreds of people over that time period. They were vital to my business but their jobs were not *why* I was in business. My business did not exist to create jobs, it existed to create money, for me. To get the same work done with fewer hours and fewer people is how we increased productivity and profitability. We tried to lower labor costs on projects when ever we could. That didnt mean I didn't pay good wages and benefits as I did, including health insurance and pension but job creation is a side affect of being in a for profit business not its primary purpose which is to make money for the owners. My business could not have existed without its workers but the workers without my management and capital could not have done the work we did.

As we have seen with Bain not all businesses create jobs some destroy jobs.

Honest Abe says

Marcus - the current president is anti-business and anti-success. Democrats don't like personal responsibility. Their failures are always someone else's fault. Their failure is due to the evil 1%'rs, "The Man", the wealthy, the successful...the RICH.

Obama doesnt mind when he invites the same 1% industry leaders to his $38K a plate fund raiser... be they in SV, Hollywood or Wall Street

http://www.businessinsider.com/silicon-valley-big-wigs-paid-385000-to-have-dinner-with-obama-last-night-2012-5

Silicon Valley big shots to pay $36,000 for dinner with Obama?

According to several reports, President Barack Obama will be attending a fund-raiser in his honor at the home of Silicon Valley philanthropists tonight.

May 23, 2012 8:24 AM

Can someone please make it happen for me?

No, creating jobs was a side effect of me going into business....
nonetheless, that still makes me a "job creator"

rdm says

Right, you went into business to create jobs?

lemme guess...San Bernardino??

clambo says

A large city in southern california desired my services. They sent me a huge questionnaire about my "diversity" and "affirmative action" , etc. policies.
I wrote "I have none, but my ancestors owned slaves. Does this count?"
I got the contract anyway. Why? Because no one in that department probably could read.

http://www.realclearmarkets.com/articles/2012/05/07/president_obama_is_running_out_of_jobs_excuses_99657.html

And if you have a successful business you are demonized. Thanks Mr. Prez!

I don't mind conservatives being upset by this, because if the myth of the self-made man is destroyed then so is modern conservatism.

Fooled by Randomness.

Success is a combination of random chance, preparedness, and risk-taking. Business success usually involves some additional ability to manage (e.g. "harvest") talent.
Hard work is something almost everyone does, but few are lucky enough for it to pay off. Not just anyone can "work hard and succeed" when the dice are loaded in favor of those who already climbed the ladder and kicked it out.

The real issue is whether or not the principle of Nobless Oblige is applied: do the people in any particular business (or government position of power) repay those people (or the resources) that they harvest?
When I heard Obama say "you had help", I didn't first think of government, but all of the people who Romney harvested along the way to get to the top of a pile of dead bodies.
Obama probably knows a little bit about that type of 'business'. It's the American Way and you have to participate to get anywhere in politics (excepting maybe Vermont or Portland).
There is no middle class. There are those that work because they want to eat, and those who will never have to work to eat (welfare is a temporary holding cell for the 'extras').
The difference is that most people BELIEVE they are somewhere in the middle, and their belief is what makes them vulnerable to power. When they realize their actual position in regard to those with real power (usually when they are starving to death at the behest of the powerful), a revolution happens, probably led by someone with a simple ideology and a lot of charisma. This crap between Democrat corporatists and Republican corporatists is a nice show to watch while eating high fructose corn syrup, but there's a drought going on.

Auntie brings up a good, albeit rather deep point. If I might borrow one component of it that is quite relevant to this thread. "do the people in any particular business (or government position of power) repay those people (or the resources) that they harvest"

The bloviating earlier in this thread by all you 'job creators' fails to consider externalaties. If you had to pay the true cost of a gallon of gas in the US, it would be close to $12-$14/gallon. If your business had to pay the true cost of the infrastructure you use to deliver your products, your costs would at least triple, if not significantly more.

We made a decision as a nation that we would share these costs among all of us via taxes and the government to help foster an economic climate where you could start a business, and nurture it in America's fertile soil.

All you dumbasses want to 'drown the government in the bathtub'. Go right ahead. Let's go to zero taxes and shift the FULL burden of externalaties onto your business. You'd be bankrupt in a matter of weeks.

Want to know how this story ends. Welcome to Sudan! Go start your fancy business there and let me know how it turns out!

God, the stupidity and arrogance of some of you guys thinking you 'did it all alone' is amazing.

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OK, these people built their businesses but they can stay out & off the infrastructure that they could not afford to build. Just another group of socialist.

Did anybody in this somewhat oniric thread mention the fact that the quote is incorrect? The president in the same speach, a little bit earlier mentions bridges, roads, and other infrastructures, then says "and if you got a business, you didn't build that" referred to such infrastructures.

I wanted to say it just in case you were all too busy to bother with facts.

Nobody believes they "did it all alone" if one includes infrastructure in the equation.

If 100 people in the same city are provided the same infrastructure and education by the taxpayers, via the government, a very small subset will take advantage and attempt to create a business. They take on all the risk. They suffer the consequences of bad decisions. They reap the benefits if they succeed. Business owners take offense at OB's statement because we see the infrastructure as a GIVEN, NOT INCLUDED IN THE DEFINITION OF 'BUILDING A BUSINESS'. ALL 100 PEOPLE HAVE ACCESS TO THE SAME INFRASTRUCTURE. Only the BUSINESS BUILDERS take advantage of it. The rest are too risk adverse, or too lazy.

I don't see all 100 people suffering the financial and personal consequences of a failed enterprise. If 'someone else made that happen', why is that 'someone else' not standing beside you taking the chapter 11 hit??

One could argue they 'are' standing beside you, as your failed business takes bailout funds from the government. That is a minuscule subset of all business owners and is irrelevant to the conversation.

So it appears the argument boils down to what defines the starting point of a new business. Business owners define it as applying for a business license. Others see it, incorrectly IMO, as everything else that happens prior to the license.

gbenson says

God, the stupidity and arrogance of some of you guys thinking you 'did it all alone' is amazing.

I can't believe no on this thread has picked up on the fact that Obama was paraphrasing what Elizabeth Warren said last year. Here's the quote:

There is nobody in this country who got rich on his own. Nobody. You built a factory out there — good for you!

But I want to be clear. You moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for. You hired workers the rest of us paid to educate. You were safe in your factory because of police forces and fire forces that the rest of us paid for. You didn’t have to worry that maurauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory, and hire someone to protect against this, because of the work the rest of us did. Now look, you built a factory and it turned into something terrific, or a great idea — God bless. Keep a big hunk of it.

But part of the underlying social contract is you take a hunk of that and pay forward for the next kid who comes along.

I haven't heard any argument that can dispute this statement. And, I might add, Warren did a better job than Obama did in making the point (Warren in '16!).

jhall says

I haven't heard any argument that can dispute this statement. And, I might add, Warren did a better job than Obama did in making the point (Warren in '16!).

Because if you look at the actual intent and context of the Obama version of this statement then you couldn't do a lot of pathetic Obama bashing. Why these people have to manufacture petty things like this controversy mystifies me. There are so many legitimate big issues to take Obama to task for, why bother with a poorly worded sentence. Some people just have no lives at all I would have to guess.

Would entrepreneurs in America be able to "make it" in China, Viet Nam, or environs? Isn't that why people come here typically?

America's foundation makes it a good place for just about anyone to start a business. All of that comes with a price, paid for by your parents and grandparents, neighbors and fellow citizens.

Despite the fact that this is much ado about nothing, I'd say even the poorly delivered line from Obama has merit.

You didn't really do it by yourself. It's true.

jhall says

I can't believe no on this thread has picked up on the fact that Obama was paraphrasing what Elizabeth Warren said last year.

It's because they're kinda whiny. I had no idea that small business owners had egos so fragile they could be easily shattered by a quote taken out of context that doesn't mean what they think it means.

Well I have to ask a bigger important question.
Why is the President quoting Elizabeth Warren if he has no designs or aspirations to explore the eras of concerns she warns the US about.
And as a reward for her tireless work, she was exiled to run in a winless political office in Massachusetts. To get her out of the way, she was a general pain the ass for Obama and thorn in his and the Feds side.

Quite ingenious of the President to quote her, don't you think?

There is that picked up on, enough for you?

omgbacon says

It's because they're kinda whiny. I had no idea that small business owners had egos so fragile they could be easily shattered by a quote taken out of context that doesn't mean what they think it means.

And even if it meant what they thought it meant, it would be true anyway.

All of society is built on our past, and is a product of our current collective effort.

That's where the distribution of income comes in too. Why do the workers who produce the goods get so little of the benefit?

The "workers" have the same equal opportunity start their own company, become the owner, and produce the goods themselves.

Stop complaining and get to work - start your own company and pay your workers twice what they currently earn, heck why not pay them 10 Xs the normal wage. That will create some much needed FAIRNESS in the workplace!

Honest Abe says

Did the president of the United States REALLY say that?

No he didn't, not in the context the wingnut media is going all out to portray.

Because they took no risk.
They can always move on in the blink of an eye.
the small business owner has hard assets and is invested in the business. They cannot.

CL says

That's where the distribution of income comes in too. Why do the workers who produce the goods get so little of the benefit?

He didn't say "you didn't build that road, someone else made that happen" He said: "if you've got a BUSINESS you didn't build that..." He got caught with his pants down and is desperately backpedaling in order to do damage control.

He doesn't want to be seen for what he really is: anti-success, anti-business, anti-constitution, anti-free enterprise, anti-private property, IOW anti-American.