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elliemae
2014 Feb 3, 3:36pm
I agree 100% with homeboy. Is there a 12-step program to help me deal with it?
Awww. Now that was just mean. And after I "liked" all your posts...
mean? I woulda thought you'd have laughed your ass off at that one! tough crowd...
What Mike may of implied by his title, "Gotta love Obama Care," is that if Mike Choi was indigent, he would be receiving free healthcare right now for the cancer treatment as a reward for not owning health insurance.
1) The guy has no income, so he can't pay for his insurance. Certainly not
the fault of "Obamacare."
who said that? Stop making up shit.
FYI there are non-profit hospices nearly everywhere in the US, certainly in
California. Surely one of them would be willing to provide care for poor Mike,
whose cancer is "heading toward the final stages..." They would provide for
"Mike's" needs, if he truly existed - and would do so in the same manner no
matter what the payment source might be.
Great so he can get free hospice care, so its ok that he lost his insurance in the midst of his cancer treatment. Thats makes up for it!
Hey since you claim to be so knowledgable about this topic, why dont you help this guy and find him a good hospice? This is what yo do for a living no??
Sadly (for Miike), his attacks on my character aren't the reason for the
deep-seated depression I find myself in the midst of... As much fun as I'm
having watching this Miike dude attempt to defend his position as a supporter of
an obvious attempt to bilk people of their money, I have a bigger problem:
For someone claiming to be a social worker you have very little compassion and for that matter common sense. You claim I am attacking your character? Why would I need to do that? You have already done that for me by making personal attacks on a man dying of cancer.
Explain how insurance you have to pay for is better than insurance that is
free.
You retard, not all insurance is the same. If you are dying and need tons of care, do you think getting crappy care through medical is good even if it is free???
Tell us what YOU know about Medi Cal. Actual facts, not just ranting.
Wait, why do you always want to put the burden of proof on me. You made the claim that medical was better than his private insurance. What proof do you have to back that up? Homecheese, why dont you do a little research on medical or for that matter ask your girlfriend elliemae and see how awesome medical is... its not hard.
Only a dumb shit would claim that losing your private insurance and now getting medical is BETTER in the midst of being treated for cancer. If you cant admit that then all reasoning and logic will be lost on you...
It is if the insurance you "lost" was a crappy catastrophic plan that didn't
even meet the minimum standards, and you can get better insurance for free.
Was it crappy catastrophic insurance? Did he tell you that? Even if it was, I bet you that medical is most likely worse...
Not only are you defending such a stupid, stupid system, you are insanely
screaming, wailing, and ranting because it's not allowed anymore. You really are
out of your mind.
My title may have been a poke at obamacare, but please tell me where I am defending this current system??? I find that all of your agruments are structure in a way to avoid the topic at hand and to divert to another topic of your choosing...
Much of my posts have been a rebuttal to you and your girlfriends constant attacks and criticisms on this man that you do not know. As I have stated many times, my main problem with you is that you attack and criticize and slander this guy because you FEEL that this is a scam, even after you email the person and basically get a response (which you probably didnt expect). The problem is you guys took this guys comments on obamacare personally and got your panties in a bunch and then resort to slandering and criticizing him to basically discredit him. Thats what I have been calling you out on... You can try to change the subject as much as you want but the fact is you are pissed that obamacare was talked about negatively and now you are attacking...
Homeboy
2014 Feb 4, 4:22am
Was it crappy catastrophic insurance? Did he tell you that? Even if it was, I bet you that medical is most likely worse...
The ONLY possible way anyone could "lose" their insurance due to Obamacare, is if that insurance was a bare bones catastrophic junk plan that didn't meet the minimum standards for insurance. THEREFORE, if he lost his plan due to Obamacare, it was not a comprehensive plan. And even if he did "lose" his plan (which the team captain seems very unclear on), he simply has to shop on the exchange and get a new plan, which it appears he has done.
Medi-Cal cannot possibly be worse than his own plan. By law, all insurance must meet minimum standards of coverage. If you claim that his insurance was canceled due to Obamacare, then it is also true that it did not meet the minimum standards of coverage, since there is no other provision in the ACA that would cause an insurance policy to be canceled. This is simple logic, Miike - obviously not your strong suit.
His previous insurance - monthly premium and did not meet minimum standards.
Medi-Cal - no monthly premium and DOES meet minimum standards.
Medi-Cal is better by any objective standard. If you disagree, prove otherwise.
See, the difference between you and me, Miike, is that I form my opinions through evidence and reason, whereas you just make shit up.
Homeboy
2014 Feb 4, 4:30am
Wait, why do you always want to put the burden of proof on me.
Because you screamed that Medi-Cal was no good. I believe you wrote:
Furthermore, now his only way to care is through medi-cal, the worst piece of crap insurance you can have. do you have ANY idea what kind of SHIT care he will get with medi-cal?
But you know, Miike? I KNEW you didn't have an iota of evidence to back that up. Because you're just flailing about with your bitter anti-Obamacare baseless rants. That's all you're doing here. I explained why he is better off now. You have done absolutely NOTHING to explain your angry tirade that Medi-Cal is "shit" and "the worst piece of crap insurance you can have".
The ONLY possible way anyone could "lose" their insurance due to Obamacare, is if that insurance was a bare bones catastrophic junk plan that didn't meet the minimum standards for insurance. THEREFORE, if he lost his plan due to Obamacare, it was not a comprehensive plan.
YOu are clearly a retard that doesnt know crap. YOu imply that because these plans didnt meet the minimum requirements, the plan was bare bones. So because a plan didnt pay 100% for preventative care, its bare bones? If a plan didnt have maternity coverage, its bare bones? If a plan doesnt have childrens dental and vision its bare bones? If a plan doesnt pay for substance abuse, its bare bones? YOu are clearly a retard. A plan could have AWESOME coverage for EVERYTHING else, but not meet ONE requirement and it would not meet the standards for ACA. Are you really that stupid or just being deceitful as always?
Medi-Cal cannot possibly be worse than his own plan.
Medi-Cal - no monthly premium and DOES meet minimum standards.
Medi-Cal is better by any objective standard. If you disagree, prove otherwise.
See, the difference between you and me, Miike, is that I form my opinions through evidence and reason, whereas you just make shit up.
I KNEW you didn't have an iota of evidence to back that up.
Let me ask you something... what do you know about medi-cal? Probably nothing. Now let me tell you why medi-cal sucks.
Have you ever seen how medi-cal patients are treated???? How long do you think it takes to get into see a primary care doc with medi-cal? How much time do you think a doctor spends with their medi-cal patients vs their private insurance patients? How long do you think you will have to wait to see a specialist? Can you even get access to specialists? How many physicians are willing to accept medi-cal? Does that mean you have to choose from 10 doctors instead of a 1000? Will you have to drive 40 miles to see someone rather than 10 miles if you had private insurance? Will you be seen by some foreign medical doc who you cant even understand? Can you get access to certain treatments and medications? Would some doctors purposefully try to avoid seeing medi-cal patients? YOu can talk all about how medi-cal meets minimum requirements. It may look good on paper, but in reality it performs like shit. You are living an dream if you think medi-cal is better... or you're just a fool. Probably the latter.
http://www.modbee.com/2013/03/09/2614005/patient-influx-too-few-doctors.html
http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2013/11/physicians-hesitant-medicaid-patients.html
http://www.chcf.org/publications/2010/07/physician-participation-in-medical
http://reason.com/blog/2013/11/25/who-will-treat-those-new-medicaid-patien
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2007/03/more-medicaid-means-less-quality-health-care
just a few articles... too many to post.
If you dont believe me nor these articles, why not just ask any healthcare professional on the forum about medi-cal (medicaid)...
BTW homeboy,
you going to continue slandering this guy by calling him a scammer? or have you forgiven him for criticizing obamacare?
The best plan is to not work and get everything for free, like homeboy as well as unfortunately 60% of today's population.
elliemae
2014 Feb 4, 12:04pm
who said that? Stop making up shit.
His story has so many holes in it... yet you are able to come up with all sorts of inside scoop on this guy. Ya gotta be very low income in order to qualify for MediCal, so I figured this out.
Hey since you claim to be so knowledgable about this topic, why dont you help this guy and find him a good hospice? This is what yo do for a living no??
I am extremely "knowledgable" (hey, have you ever heard of "spell check?") about hospice, insurances and medical care. That is how I can sniff out a scam - which your good buddy appears to be perpetrating.
We are enjoying the shit out of harassing you over your unwavering support of some dude whose only proof he was screwed by the Affordable Healthcare Act is a posting on a site where he begs for money. He has so many believers that he has been able to raise $420. Yay!!!!
You can continue your failed attempts to attack those people who don't believe you. However, each time you write another post, you just look like a bigger idiot. And each time, I'm surprised because I didn't think it was possible.
BTW, I do not locate hospices for people for a living. It's not hard, all one of his supporters (or he, or his doctor, or you) needs to do is pick up a phone and call a local hospice. I'm hoping that you aren't so "retarded" (it takes one to know one) that you aren't able to dial a phone...
Let me ask you something... what do you know about medi-cal? Probably nothing.
We can read, Miike. Do you have any personal experience with MediCal, or do you simply believe everything you read on the interwebs?
Again - and for the last time, because this horse is so dead it smells - this guy's claim of his lack of medical care due to a failure of the Affordable Healthcare Act doesn't hold water.
Homeboy
2014 Feb 4, 2:09pm
The best plan is to not work and get everything for free, like homeboy as well as unfortunately 60% of today's population.
You have been brainwashed by Rush Limbaugh.
Homeboy
2014 Feb 4, 2:20pm
just a few articles... too many to post.
Interesting. The first article you posted says, "Low Medi-Cal rates are addressed, temporarily at least, by Obamacare. Starting in January and lasting two years, reimbursement rates for many primary care services in Medi-Cal will jump to Medicare levels, funded by the federal government."
And then the rest of the articles talk about how the reimbursement rates are lower than Medicare and doctors don't want to take Medi-Cal patients. So it looks like that problem has been solved.
What else ya got?
Besides, he doesn't have to get Medi-Cal if he doesn't want to. He's free to sign up for any insurance plan he wants.
Homeboy
2014 Feb 4, 2:25pm
YOu are clearly a retard that doesnt know crap.
You seem like a bitter, angry person. Let's go over those questions again:
Explain how he is "unable to be treated for his cancer" because of Obamacare.
Explain how he was "kicked out of his insurance".
Explain how he needs $500,000 when he has already applied for Medi Cal.
Explain how insurance you have to pay for is better than insurance that is free.
I am extremely "knowledgable" (hey, have you ever heard of "spell check?") about hospice, insurances and medical care.
THen why dont you tell homeboy how awesome medi-cal is...
We are enjoying the shit out of harassing you
That is funny, is this what you call harassment? I appreciate the nightly laugh you give me.
where he begs for money
He has so many believers that he has been able to raise $420. Yay!!!!
So by furthering belittling this guy and his efforts, you are trying to do what exactly??? haha You make it seem like I would be personally hurt by you saying these things. Not good enough you call this guy a scammer but this also? This only further reveals your character...
DIdnt they teach you about compassion, consideration and empathy in school for social work?
I'm hoping that you aren't so "retarded" (it takes one to know one)
Is this why you and homecheese think alike and act the exact same way?
Is this why you and homecheese think alike and act the exact same way?
Why is it your "friend" who verified this story can't tell you the circumstances of all the problems you allege? Simply answer the questions raised. Not possible it looks like.
What else ya got?
DId you actually read those articles?
Um let me summarize the facts.
1. Man gets cancer
2. man needs a lot of care and treatment
3. man loses private insurance in middle of cancer treatment
4. Man now has to apply for medi-cal (which I dont believe in the email you linked he has received yet) Currently not receiving treatment while he applies.
5. You claim this is better now becuz medi-cal is free and he can apply for it now.
6. You ignore fact that even with medi-cal he now has to look for all new doctors. There are much less doctors that will accept medi-cal. Even if he can find doctors, his ability to schedule appointments, get follow up is poor. And finally many studies show poor outcomes in medicaid patients versus private insurance patients due to various quality issues.
Do you have any personal experience with MediCal, or do you simply believe everything you read on the interwebs?
Oh btw elliemae, the answer to this question is yes. I have been a practicing physician for 14 years now. So why dont you be honest here and tell your boyfriend homecheese how awesome medi-cal is...
Homeboy
2014 Feb 5, 1:27pm
1. Man gets cancer
2. man needs a lot of care and treatment
3. man loses private insurance in middle of cancer treatment
4. Man now has to apply for medi-cal (which I dont believe in the email you linked he has received yet) Currently not receiving treatment while he applies.
5. You claim this is better now becuz medi-cal is free and he can apply for it now.
6. You ignore fact that even with medi-cal he now has to look for all new doctors. There are much less doctors that will accept medi-cal. Even if he can find doctors, his ability to schedule appointments, get follow up is poor. And finally many studies show poor outcomes in medicaid patients versus private insurance patients due to various quality issues.
He doesn't have to get Medi-Cal. In his case, if what was emailed to me is correct, he doesn't have any money, so that would be a good choice since there is no monthly premium. But he is free to pay for other insurance if he wants it. There are very affordable options on Covered California.
So your point is stupid. If Medi-Cal is that bad, then don't fucking get it. Big deal.
He didn't get kicked off his insurance. You don't even know what happened, but it is impossible to be kicked off your insurance. It is illegal under ACA. If his particular policy was discontinued, all he has to do is choose a new one. So he has a choice: get FREE insurance, or continue to pay for insurance. What is so awful about that?
If he is uninsured, it is his own fault. He should have applied on time. There is no way on earth a rational person could blame this on Obamacare. The events, as described, are impossible.
You can whine and cry and call people names all you like, but logically, you don't have a leg to stand on here.
Is this why you and homecheese think alike and act the exact same way?
Why is it your "friend" who verified this story can't tell you the circumstances of all the problems you allege? Simply answer the questions raised. Not possible it looks like.
Bob,
why is this so hard for you to understand. I cant tell you because I do not know. I do not know because this is NOT my friend.
Why dont I ask my friend? because it is not my business to pry into the life of a man dying of cancer, especially to satisfy you guys, who are complete strangers and have been attacking this guy for no good reason.
All I know is that the guy is dying of cancer and he needs money because he lost his job. Frankly thats all i need to know because MY friend who knows this guy personally told me so.... and I believe my friend. He has NO reason to make this up.
Homeboy however apparently has no discretion and felt that he should email the person who set up the website. I only know what he posted, but after he got the email it appeared that he was at least somewhat convinced (although he later contradicted himself and went on to call him a scammer again).
I'm not convinced it's an outright scam, but it's certainly misleading.
I do believe you guys are missing the entire point of my previous posts.
Regardless of whether you believe this guy or not, none of you can be sure if this is true or not. If you disagree with this, I challenge anyone to post any solid evidence or proof.
The majority of my responses have been in defense of this guy because people like homeboy and elliemae have been bascially slandering this guys name, calling him a scammer. I just dont think that is the right thing to do. IN all honesty we know why they are doing this... because obamacare was criticized and therefore they now have to retaliate and make attempts to discredit. Nevertheless, it is still very distasteful to call a man dying of cancer a liar and a scammer regardless of his views on obamacare.
Furthermore, I have never denied that I could be wrong and this guy really is a scam. BUt again the point again is that none of us know for sure. If you guys think he is scamming, that fine... However why not just keep it to yourselves or at the very least politely or tastefully question the integrity of the website that was put up in the case that you are wrong. I would think that that is what a normal thoughtful logical human being might do. Rather I saw cold and harsh comments with every attempts to slander and tarnish a mans reputation without any considerations that this man they slander could in fact be truly dying of cancer. I was really taken aback by the callousness of some of you guys... I suppose this is the reason why I kept responding to these post.
Homeboy
2014 Feb 5, 2:10pm
Bob,
why is this so hard for you to understand. I cant tell you because I do not know. I do not know because this is NOT my friend.
Why dont I ask my friend? because it is not my business to pry into the life of a man dying of cancer, especially to satisfy you guys, who are complete strangers and have been attacking this guy for no good reason.
Oh, I see. You don't know the facts, and you aren't interested in finding out the facts, yet you felt justified in taking a shot at Obamacare, even though you have no evidence that Obamacare is responsible for the problem. Nice.
So your point is stupid. If Medi-Cal is that bad, then don't fucking get it. Big deal.
Ahhh it seems that you have finally come to your senses and realized that medi-cal is shitty... BUT you are still a dumbass for even suggesting that medi-cal was good.
He didn't get kicked off his insurance. You don't even know what happened, but it is impossible to be kicked off your insurance.
Um yeah, I dont know exactly what happened. Neither do you. HOwever he said that he was "kicked off his insurance because obamacare". You being so stupid, I wouldnt expect you to make this connection, but the fact that many millions of people lost their insurance plans because of ACA requirements is probably what this guy is eluding to. Again I could be wrong, but doesnt this seem most plausible? If so, then it does appear he lost his insurance, or as someone else may say, he was "kicked off" his insurance, as mandated by minimum requirements of obamacare. YOu can disingenuous and argue about exact wording but we all know what he meant...Well we all, excluding you, i mean.
So he has a choice: get FREE insurance, or continue to pay for insurance. What is so awful about that?
Man how many times must I drill this into your head. Let me list it since it may be easier for you to understand.
Reasons why it is awful to lose your insurance during while being diagnosed with cancer.
1. You lost your insurance!
2. now you may have a period where you are not covered
3. even if you get something new, you may have to switch doctors, switch hospitals. WOuldnt it be lovely to go through all this crap while being treated for cancer?????
4. Medi-cal although free, sucks ass. Didnt I cover this in previous posts? Is anything in life for free that great??? ... well besides love. you getting any love at home homecheese?
If he is uninsured, it is his own fault. He should have applied on time.
Yes, it is his own fault that obamacare had these requirements that forced policies to be closed... Maybe he did apply on time, but man, those websites just took so damn long to load up.
There is no way on earth a rational person could blame this on Obamacare. The events, as described, are impossible.
I believe the only thing he blamed on Obamacare was that he lost his insurance. Had there been no minimum ACA requirements, then he would have been still on his old policy.
You can whine and cry and call people names all you like, but logically, you don't have a leg to stand on here.
I guess if you keep saying this, it may become true. WHy even post nonsense like this... unless you do it to make yourself feel better.
BTW, I find it funny how you keep bringing up obamacare in everything you write. Are you sure you didnt attack and slander this guy cuz he criticized obamacare? It sure sounds like it...
Oh, I see. You don't know the facts, and you aren't interested in finding out the facts, yet you felt justified in taking a shot at Obamacare, even though you have no evidence that Obamacare is responsible for the problem. Nice.
My posts here have never really been about Obamacare. Rather its really been about me calling you out on claiming this guy was a scammer and a liar without any solid proof or evidence. HHHmmm how ironic, you accuse me of saying something without evidence, but you are doing exactly what you claim I am doing.... projecting much???
BTW, im still chuckling about how you think FREE medi-cal is BETTER and that is a win for obamacare. You can claim that you are not attacking this guy because of his criticism of obamacare, but you sure dont act like it...
This guys proclaims he lost his insurance because obamacare ( which may very likely be true because of the min ACA requirements). I titled his post "gotta love obamacare" as a result of this.
Homeboy
2014 Feb 5, 2:44pm
Ahhh it seems that you have finally come to your senses and realized that medi-cal is shitty...
No, I just said your point is stupid. IF Medi-Cal is so bad, you don't have to get it. Apparently you don't know what the word "if" means.
Um yeah, I dont know exactly what happened. Neither do you.
I didn't start a thread titled, "Gotta Love Obamacare". You did. I never claimed to know what happened, but I know what DIDN'T happen. He did not get kicked off his insurance, and he is not "unable" to get treatment.
3. even if you get something new, you may have to switch doctors, switch hospitals. WOuldnt it be lovely to go through all this crap while being treated for cancer?????
People lost their insurance ALL THE TIME before Obamacare, and furthermore, you could be deemed "uninsurable" and not able to get insurance AT ALL. So what exactly are you bitching about? Plus, you don't even know that's what happened. You're just making shit up.
2. now you may have a period where you are not covered
Bullshit. There's plenty of time to apply for insurance. If you are not covered, it's your own fault. Period.
Yes, it is his own fault that obamacare had these requirements that forced policies to be closed..
Non sequitur.
Maybe he did apply on time, but man, those websites just took so damn long to load up.
Maybe? Making up more shit, I see. Boy, you're really shoveling the manure now.
If he had applied on time, he would have insurance.
BTW, I find it funny how you keep bringing up obamacare in everything you write
Only because you keep attacking it. That would be fine, if you had a legitimate criticism, but everything you write about Obamacare is bullshit. So I have to keep you honest.
I believe the only thing he blamed on Obamacare was that he lost his insurance.
First of all, I was talking about YOU. You are blaming all kinds of things on Obamacare. Second, you're WRONG. He also blamed Obamacare for allegedly not being able to get treatment.
Had there been no minimum ACA requirements, then he would have been still on his old policy.
You admitted you don't know that, yet you keep repeating it as though it is fact. You're a liar.
Homeboy
2014 Feb 5, 2:45pm
My posts here have never really been about Obamacare.
Har. The title of your thread is "Gotta love Obama Care". Face the fact that nobody here believes your bullshit, jackass.
Har. The title of your thread is "Gotta love Obama Care". Face the fact that nobody here believes your bullshit, jackass.
Yeah I admitted the part about the title, but dont be disingenuous here. Besides the title, what else did I instigate? what else that wasnt a direct response to your claims?
No, I just said your point is stupid. IF Medi-Cal is so bad, you don't have to get it. Apparently you don't know what the word "if" means.
BUt you were saying that Medi-cal is good, so its better for him now!
Rather than being worse off, he is in fact BETTER off now
when in fact he can now get BETTER insurance for LESS money
I never claimed to know what happened
But you called him a liar and scammer??
People lost their insurance ALL THE TIME before Obamacare, and furthermore, you could be deemed "uninsurable" and not able to get insurance AT ALL
Yes, people lost insurance before obamacare and now millions lost it BECAUSE of obamacare. Yes you could be deemed uninsurable, but this was insured, well until ACA requirements forced policies to be cancelled...
Bullshit. There's plenty of time to apply for insurance.
Well I dont know... are you sure? It was kinda hard to get onto those ACA websites....LOL
Yes, it is his own fault that obamacare had these requirements that forced policies to be closed..
Non sequitur.
Why does that confuse you?? LOL
Maybe he did apply on time, but man, those websites just took so damn long to load up.
Maybe? Making up more shit, I see. Boy, you're really shoveling the manure now.
If he had applied on time, he would have insurance.
Wow... that went right over your head didnt it?
Only because you keep attacking it.
NO, the only thing Ive been really attacking what the fact that you were attacking this guy. I only commented on obamacare as you keep bringing it up.
You are blaming all kinds of things on Obamacare.
All kinds of things like what? Gimme specific examples in context please...
Had there been no minimum ACA requirements, then he would have been still on his old policy.
You admitted you don't know that, yet you keep repeating it as though it is fact. You're a liar.
True I dont know that for sure, but again common sense and logic would tell us (maybe not you) that IF this guy didnt lose his insurance because of ACA requirements he would have stayed on his plan...
All I know is that the guy is dying of cancer and he needs money because he lost his job.
So you don't have a clue, why post it's ACA's fault? I don't agree with homeboy on ACA ( I strongly oppose it), but I don't know why you would post this stuff when you know nothing about how ACA affects the situation other than some one told me so.
At least man up and admit that you posted your comments without any justtfication since you don't know any more than homeboy knows. You are both stumbling around in the dark trying to use a total lack of information to validate your beliefs.
elliemae
2014 Feb 6, 1:10am
But - we don't know that this guy is "dying" of anything. We don't know his story - other than what was posted on the interwebs, which sounds like bullshit.
There are many scams out there; the indication of a scam includes misspelling, poor grammar, inflammatory statements such as "Obamacare got him kicked out of his insurance..." (yes, I'm paraphrasing), and inability to verify the information. Lack of posting a photo, and then suspiciously posting one after people began to question the story. This one reeks of bullshit.
Miike has called his detractors "retards" and yet he claims to be a "practicing physician for 14 years." His posts certainly don't indicate that he has anything beyond a rudimentary education, and his use of "retard," his lack of knowledge of hospice, and personal attacks as well as claiming that the linked post includes "facts" lead me to the conclusion that his claims of being a doctor are as real as the post to which he has linked.
Blah, blah, blah. Yes, Miike, we are laughing at you and your many, many, many posts that continue to support our disbelief at "Mike Choi" and "Miike, the internet doctor."
Homeboy
2014 Feb 6, 5:18am
No, I just said your point is stupid. IF Medi-Cal is so bad, you don't have to get it. Apparently you don't know what the word "if" means.
BUt you were saying that Medi-cal is good, so its better for him now!
I said it's free, so free is better than not free. Again, if he thinks Medi-Cal is "shit", then he doesn't have to get Medi-Cal. So what's the problem here? I think you just like to argue for the sake of argument.
I never claimed to know what happened
But you called him a liar and scammer??
Miike, you don't listen so good. I know what is posted on the donation page is false because it is impossible. I don't HAVE to know what happened, because I know what DIDN'T happen. If he said he was born on Mars, I would know that's a lie. I don't have to know WHERE he was born to know it's a lie, because it is impossible for him to have been born on Mars. Likewise, when he says Obamacare kicked him off his insurance and made it impossible for him to get treatment, I know THAT is a lie.
Do you get it yet, or do you need me to repeat it another 20 times for you? Do we need to talk slower? Are you having trouble following?
Well I dont know... are you sure? It was kinda hard to get onto those ACA websites....
No, it wasn't hard to navigate Covered California at all. I did it myself, and now I have insurance. You're thinking of the federal site. California residents don't use the federal site, Miike. Shows that you know nothing at all about ACA, yet seem to think you are qualified to bash it. There are some legitimate criticisms to be made, but so far you have missed the mark on ALL of them.
Yes, it is his own fault that obamacare had these requirements that forced policies to be closed..
Non sequitur.
Why does that confuse you?? LOL
O.K., now I guess I have to explain to you what "non sequitur" means. It means I wrote something on one particular subject, and then you replied with a comment that had nothing to do with that subject. That's called a "non sequitur". Guess they don't teach that in "medical school", where you supposedly went. (Ha, ha - yeah THAT happened.)
NO, the only thing Ive been really attacking what the fact that you were attacking this guy. I only commented on obamacare as you keep bringing it up.
Miike, we're not idiots. Your lies don't hold water when the very THREAD TITLE is an attack on Obamacare. Jesus Tapdancing Christ, Miike - you become more ridiculous and pathetic with each passing moment. I'll tell you, we are enjoying the hell out of watching you squirm and twist in the wind.
Miike says
True I dont know that for sure, but again common sense and logic would tell us...
Common sense and logic are not your strong suit, Miike. I think it would be best if you didn't attempt to employ them. Frankly, you suck at it. You should probably stick to what you're good at - flawed arguments, histrionics, and name calling.
So you don't have a clue, why post it's ACA's fault? I don't agree with homeboy on ACA ( I strongly oppose it), but I don't know why you would post this stuff when you know nothing about how ACA affects the situation other than some one told me so.
I dont have a clue about what exactly? Yes I dont have a clue about the details of this guys situation... but again why would I? Why would I know specific details? I am simply reposting a link I found on my facebook.
WHy is the ACA's fault? Again, Im simply reposting what was linked on my account, however this guy claims he lost his insurance due to ACA. Is this believable? Why not... many millions have lost their plans becvause of the minimum requirements set by ACA.
At least man up and admit that you posted your comments without any justtfication since you don't know any more than homeboy knows.
What comments specifically bob? The title for this thread is a jab at obamacare... Ive admitted this several times. If you look at most of my other posts however, its been in defense of this guy from the attacks by homeboy and ellieman. If you read my posts, I say MANY times, neither I nor anyone would really knwo whats going on. My main point has been that these attacks on this guy is unjustified because NONE of us know for SURE what is going on. Go back and read this thread from teh beginning. Although the title was a jab at obamacare, my post from the very beginning have been a rebuttal to the blatant attack on this guys character and unjustified slander of his name...
But - we don't know that this guy is "dying" of anything.
Yup exactly. NONE of us know for sure. This is my main point. If you dont know, whey do you continue to attack him? Why not just give him the benefit of the doubt or just not say anything?
Miike has called his detractors "retards" and yet he claims to be a "practicing physician for 14 years." His posts certainly don't indicate that he has anything beyond a rudimentary education, and his use of "retard,"
Didnt know that physicians cant use the word retard... however by your same standards I suppose social workers have even less than rudimentary education consider the numerous insults you have posted in the past on pnet.
his lack of knowledge of hospice, and personal attacks as well as claiming that the linked post includes "facts" lead me to the conclusion that his claims of being a doctor are as real as the post to which he has linked
FIrst of all, I am not even sure why you think I know nothign about hospice or for that matter what this has to do with ANYTHING. However, even assuming that I know nothing about hospice, for you as a social worker to think that every physician should have a wealth of knowledge about hospice shows you how little you know about health care. You should know that most physicians do not deal with hospice or end of life care expect for some primary care or palliative care physicians.
secondly, I could care less if you believe that I am a physician. Should I care??? haha You claim that I have no knowledge about how the medical system works... try me... Furthermore if you really do know as much as you claim, why not educate our little homecheese here about medi-cal so he doesnt go on babbling about how great medi-cal again? please I would LOVE to hear you tell him how awesome it is...
I said it's free, so free is better than not free.
OMFG hahaah... yes homecheese, if anything is free, its better than not-free. Its like your simple mind can only take into consideration the idea of price rather than quality...
Miike, you don't listen so good.
Where is ellieMAN the grammar police when you need her?
I know what is posted on the donation page is false because it is impossible.
but didnt you say this before?
Homeboy says
I'm not convinced it's an outright scam, but it's certainly misleading.
So you changing your mind now?
No, it wasn't hard to navigate Covered California at all. I did it myself, and now I have insurance. You're thinking of the federal site. California residents don't use the federal site, Miike.
You knew that was a joke right? Probably not... LOL. Man dont take it so personal... are you gonna start calling me a liar and scammer now also because Im taking jabs at obamacare? Wait you already did. LOL
O.K., now I guess I have to explain to you what "non sequitur" means.
No... I know exactly what that mean, but again you just dont get things do you?
Guess they don't teach that in "medical school", where you supposedly went.
Damn, now you dont believe that either... youre kinda like ellieman. just say everything is a lie and you win the argument...
Are you going to ask me for HARD proof that Im a physician now??? hahaa
Miike, we're not idiots.
I disagree...
Your lies don't hold water when the very THREAD TITLE is an attack on Obamacare.
Yes I admit taking a jab at obamacare with my title for the 10000000th time. Please go back and read the thread however... the title was a jab at obamacare, but my responses immediately became a rebuttal to your attacks on this guy...
Common sense and logic are not your strong suit
nice of you to take this out of context... however when someone says they were "kicked off" their insurance because of obamacare, you do not agree that this most likely implies that he lost his insurance because of ACA min requirements? YOu do not think this guy could have been one of the millions who lost their insurance for this reason?
elliemae
2014 Feb 6, 10:29am
Didnt know that physicians cant use the word retard... however by your same standards I suppose social workers have even less than rudimentary education consider the numerous insults you have posted in the past on pnet.
I would hope that a real physician would have enough respect for people to understand how utterly disrespectful it is to use the word "retard" in the way that you did. If not, and if (somehow, some way) you truly are a physician (which I highly doubt), I feel sorry for your patients. I truly mean that.
But I don't believe that you're a doctor, nor do I believe you are educated in any manner. In fact, you appear to be an internet troll. But, in the anonymous world of the internets, keep claiming to be a doctor. In fact, go ahead and claim that you're astronaut and that you are best friends with Bill Gates. We believe everything you say - simply because you say it.
There is a huge difference between your marked lack of ability to communicate as well as your inability to understand the medical system versus my calling out someone who posts an unverifiable, unbelievable, and simply ludicrous - as well as failed - plea for money on the internets.
I'm not sure that you understand the difference between a lack of education and the posting of what you consider to be an insult. It appears that your definition of insult is "anyone who disagrees with you," which makes you look like the uneducated fool you claim not to be.
Miike - there are numerous legitimate examples of how the Affordable Care Act has created problems for people - this doesn't appear to be one of those instances. That you continue to post your unwavering support for this person is suspect - it dilutes your argument, if you have one.
Where is ellieMAN the grammar police when you need her?
Acting like a 3rd grader, calling someone with a credible observation a childish name. Now THAT'S a great way to get us to buy into your bullshit.
I would hope that a real physician would have enough respect for people to understand how utterly disrespectful it is to use the word "retard" in the way that you did.
I would hope that a real social worker would have enough respect for people to understand how utterly disrepsectful it is to call a man dying of cancer a scammer...
But I don't believe that you're a doctor
And? should I really care what you think?
someone who posts an unverifiable, unbelievable, and simply ludicrous
If you are so sure this guy is a fraud, prove it. THe problem is you cant and all this is simply based on your opinion and gut feelings.
Miike - there are numerous legitimate examples of how the Affordable Care Act has created problems for people - this doesn't appear to be one of those instances.
I guess losing your insurance in the middle of cancer treatment because doesnt count as a problem for people... I promise you, it was a problem for this guy.
Acting like a 3rd grader, calling someone with a credible observation a childish name.
Hmm.. let me see...
uneducated fool
nor do I believe you are educated
claiming to be a doctor
marked lack of ability to communicate
lack of education
you just look like a bigger idiot
fool
im not the only one acting like a third grader...
Oh yes, my lack of education got me through one of the best undergrads in the nation, medical school, internship, residency and a fellowship... Yes I must not be very well educated compared to all you social workers who all went to Harvard and are Rhodes scholars... Next time, I will try to spend a little more than a few minutes replying back to you so that my grammar and spelling are in tip top shape... this way I can convey to you that im educated... cuz I really care what you think. haha
BTW ellieman,
are you ever going to explain to homecheese how awesome medi-cal is? why keep dodging this question?
Homeboy
2014 Feb 7, 12:55pm
So let's recap, shall we?
Some fool with the handle "Miike" sees a story about a man who allegedly can't get treatment for his cancer because of ACA. Due to his rabid hatred of all things Obama, this gives him a giant boner, so he posts a thread saying "Gotta Love Obamacare" with the text of this dubious story.
Several people point out that it's impossible for the story to have happened the way it is described. Miike flips out and starts cussing at everyone and calling them "retards".
Then we come to find out the man in the story CAN get treatment, and has in fact applied for Medi-Cal.
Since Miike obviously is enraged by anything that helps poor people, he begins flipping out about Medi-Cal. Then Miike lies and says he is a doctor. Nobody believes him, because doctors tend to be educated and don't normally go around cussing at people and calling them "retards" like a 3rd grader.
Then, Miike does a complete 180 and claims he was never bashing Obamacare.
All the while, Miike claims to be a "friend of a friend" of the man in the story, yet inexplicably is unable to obtain a reasonable explanation of what happened from this mysterious "friend".
You couldn't MAKE this shit up.
CL
2014 Feb 8, 1:28am
Obama didn't fix the problem of the poor having to use Medicaid!!
Obama should have given everyone the world's best doctors and medicine for free!! After all, don't I call him a socialist? Isn't he obliged to be that now?
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