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YES! Let's have a Value Added Tax on all the "job creators". As we all know, they are creating all kinds of value with their magic job-creating wands. Now we really need to tax them, and soon.

Bring the VAT now.

Dump the stew of crap taxes and just do a basic VAT, conjoined with a progressive income tax and no deductions or credits.

Of course, this kills off the power of legislators to reward the wealthy with tax favors, so it'll never happen.

Back to being serious: Sales taxes like VAT are too regressive. If we should have VAT, there should be VAT also on investments and capital expenditures.

Buy stock? VAT!
Buy bonds? VAT!
Buying 2nd house? VAT!

... and so on. Wall St is a value creator! Let's VAT them!

We already have a Vat tax, it's called the Gas price manipulation for Liberal goals and agendas on top of an already present Gas tax. Then there's the Oil price rigging for the same objectives.

Face it, there isn't even a thought that moves in America, that the price of Gas and or Energy isn't factored into the price of.

Read my lips "no new taxes"

Here's the full list:

http://www.atr.org/sites/default/files/assets/Obama%20Proposed%20442%20Tax%20Hikes%20Full%20List.pdf

Tell me which one of those "proposed tax increases" you object to. Because the vast majority of them appear to be attempts to close the loopholes that allow the extremely wealthy to pay effectively less tax than the middle class. I don't see ANYTHING in there that would negatively affect the middle class. Am I supposed to feel sorry for the 1%? Because I don't.

Who gives a shit what he proposed. How many are law?

bob2356 says

Who gives a shit what he proposed. How many are law?

Come Nov they's gunna be plenty

clambo says

Taxes are the way wealth is redistributed downward. This is not what they should be used for.

I have no right to someone else's property or money and neither does the government. Whether the person is the 1%, the 5%, or the 90% doesn't matter.

I know how the average liberal lefty thinks. They think someone should have his property taken from him for the greater good of society.

Yes, stop all taxation. Let's see how that works out...

I didn't write that.

I am in favor a gasoline tax to support roads for example. I am against a tax to confiscate wealth.

There was no income tax really until 1913. Previously taxes on sprits, beer, tobacco, were suffient to run things.
Taxes were added to sales of other things to pay for the war of 1812.
In 1862 there was a first income tax, (3%) this was also needed to pay for war activities. Later it was repealed in 1895 by the supreme court.
1913 the 16th amendment was the actual beginning of income tax but much later it was expanded to tax labor.
The 60's of course had another bunch of wars to pay for; Vietnam, the Cold War, and LBJ/Democrats "War on Poverty".
The war on poverty can never be won and we will never stop paying for it.
To me it's interesting that until 1913 the U.S.A. managed to get by without taxing everyone in ever increasing amounts in ever more inventive ways.

There's spin, there's propaganda and there's facts.

You decide.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/sep/07/barack-obama/barack-obama-said-hes-cut-taxes-middle-class-famil/

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/05/a-bogus-tax-attack-against-obama/

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/06/how-much-is-the-obamacare-tax/

MEanwhile you might want to consider facts, regarding the tax rate that Romney and other parasites on our economy, sorry, I mean "job creators" pay.

Romney isn't a parasite, he pays taxes.

Want a parasite? Robert Rubin was paid $120 million by Citibank AFTER the US taxpayer bailed it out for stupidity of people there like Rubin.

marcus says

There's spin, there's propaganda and there's facts.

You decide.

Hold that thought until the end of this year...

indigenous says

marcus says

There's spin, there's propaganda and there's facts.

You decide.

Hold that thought until the end of this year...

You want to spell that out? You have some kind of inside information everyone else lacks?

bob2356 says

You want to spell that out? You have some kind of inside information everyone else lacks?

It is what happens whenever a politician is a lame duck, after the midterms are over there will be no reason to hold back on raising taxes.

Unless the Democrats lose more power in those elections. Then it's harder to raise taxes.

clambo says

Unless the Democrats lose more power in those elections. Then it's harder to raise taxes.

True, how can republicans get the tax increases they want, when democrats aren't in power to blame it on ?

clambo says

I didn't write that.

I am in favor a gasoline tax to support roads for example. I am against a tax to confiscate wealth.

There was no income tax really until 1913. Previously taxes on sprits, beer, tobacco, were suffient to run things.

Taxes were added to sales of other things to pay for the war of 1812.

In 1862 there was a first income tax, (3%) this was also needed to pay for war activities. Later it was repealed in 1895 by the supreme court.

1913 the 16th amendment was the actual beginning of income tax but much later it was expanded to tax labor.

The 60's of course had another bunch of wars to pay for; Vietnam, the Cold War, and LBJ/Democrats "War on Poverty".

The war on poverty can never be won and we will never stop paying for it.

To me it's interesting that until 1913 the U.S.A. managed to get by without taxing everyone in ever increasing amounts in ever more inventive ways.

Why are you comparing life over a 100 years ago to now? Perhaps you'd like to travel back to the era of Dickens whilst you are at it. Or the Middle Ages. Or...

clambo says

Romney isn't a parasite, he pays taxes.

Want a parasite? Robert Rubin was paid $120 million by Citibank AFTER the US taxpayer bailed it out for stupidity of people there like Rubin.

True dat! It's logic you cannot resist when people are trying to justify the bailouts while pointing their finger at Romney the "vulture capitalist" boogeyman ;)

mell says

"vulture capitalist"

Vulture capitalists are parasites also. They massively enrich themselves by destroying peoples lives with the loopholes in the rules they used their power to create.

Why is it the right wingnuts believe that corporate manipulation of the government to further and further enrich themselves is a noble enterprise, while people collecting food stamps is parasitic?

bob2356 says

mell says

"vulture capitalist"

Vulture capitalists are parasites also. They massively enrich themselves by destroying peoples lives with the loopholes in the rules they used their power to create.

Why is it the right wingnuts believe that corporate manipulation of the government to further and further enrich themselves is a noble enterprise, while people collecting food stamps is parasitic?

First this was not about food-stamps. While I may agree that quite a few businesses certainly would not qualify as "noble" there is a big difference in forcefully transferring money from the taxpayer for bailouts and 100 million dollar salaries/bonuses/parachutes vs picking up the remains of a failed or struggling company, transforming it and selling it for a profit. A huge, insurmountable difference.

indigenous says

Come Nov they's gunna be plenty

Let's hope the voters grow a pair.

I'm expaitriating, if the Democrats win this year.
I wont even be here for the 2016 elections.

But I suspect it will be different, I don't know one single Senior who is going to vote Democrat ever again.

My Mother said the Seniors in her community are saying they'll never vote again. I told her we've got to vote the Democrats out the Republicans were never this bad. The Democrats have spent years, crying Wolf about the GOP, instigating unfounded fears, that never developed, but as soon as they got into power, ever single red herring fear monger they uttered in past about the GOP is coming into fruition, by the hands of the Democrats.

My mother thought for a minute, and told me I was right.
She's bored, and doesn't get out much. I told her she should talk to the other Seniors in her community and vote these bastards out before it's too late. Even if they feel they wont be around much longer, think of your grand-kids, do it for them. Please don't leave us with these Monsters.

I want to buy her a mini van, and send her money every month, so she can take the seniors to a movies every now and then, and shuttle them around. Tell them a Republican politician is helping them out.

You know I really felt good, like I made a difference. Now I can see how being a community organizer can really be rewarding.

I feel Like Obama must have felt, I'm making change my mother and her neighbors can believe in.

Bigsby, you don't have to go back in time 100 years.
You can see my no income tax TODAY, just go over to New Hampshire and see it.

While you are there, observe the standard of living and other things then report back if they are suffering from a "lack of government."

Supporting 1. huge welfare state 2. huge military 3. huge government is costing us a fortune and the 1,2,3 is the realm of the liberal lefty socialists who think they know better and can create a socialist utopia.

Obamacare is an typical example, they are ruining healthcare for many to provide some new benefit for the few. Of course, doctors and taxpayers will get screwed in the process. More regulations, new taxes, and less health care will result.