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The evidence is that the earth hasn't warmed in 18 years.

The evidence that we caused anything is inexistant.
If it makes you so angry at people who don't believe in fairy tales or the tooth fairy also that you must attack them, you have issues.
There is no scientific evidence that humans are changing the earth's temperature. Many people in science know this and are less afraid to say so.
Getting all excited about this issue is meaningless anyway because both China and India are NOT buying into the hoax and there is nothing anyone can do about it.
Just get used to it or be forever upset.

Nothing will change until the world undergoes substantial population reduction - average 1 child per couple for 4 generations. Unfortunately, some people are simply hardwired to breed and they don't know why - to them it's an animalistic instinct as one finds in cats, dogs, spiders and ironically it tends to be stronger in poorer societies.

Al Gore is easy to understand. He made a fortune investing in green tech and energy companies not long before they received massive government stimulus. It's illegal for you and me to engage in insider trading, but since he was a Congressman at the time, it was legal for him, since Congress is exempted from insider trading laws.

It's done quite well for him, he's on his way to becoming a billionaire.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/6496196/Al-Gore-profiting-from-climate-change-agenda.html

Republicans are no saints, I think they're motivated by their campaign donors who would be harmed by any CO2 limiting laws, and they latch onto any dissenting scientists, often falling for junk science since it supports their cause.

myob says

Al Gore is easy to understand.

Good Post

“As much as Gore’s made now, it is going to be a piker league compared to what he is going to make in five years if all these new carbon trading mandates go through.”

Mr Gore said: “I believe that the transition to a green economy is good for our economy and good for all of us, and I have invested in it.”

Oh we know you and the thousands of you came before you, never listen to what they say Always look at what they do.

What does our leaders co2 foot print look like again?

Interesting that as I write this there are now national weather-related disasters on a scale not seen before and what's more, what used to be occasional occurrences like fires, tornadoes, floods, hurricanes and so on are happening with a dramatic increase.

So for those who don't think something is happening out there.... turn off the right wing junk news and look outside your windows.

What evidence do you have that more of this weather is happening than in the past?

For example, NOAA Hurricane Center publishes an index of hurricane intensity. Here's an image from their PDF:

It's from an AGW denier site, but the image comes from here:
http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/Landsea/landseanaturepublished.pdf

Other than a massive spike in 2005, hurricane strength seems to be in decline.

Here's the tornado stats, 1954-2012. I don't see a trend.

The only real known effect of global warming is rising sea levels. Nothing else can be attributed to warming.

clambo says

The only real known effect of global warming is rising sea levels. Nothing else can be attributed to warming.

Why? Or are you being sarcastic?

myob says

What evidence do you have that more of this weather is happening than in the past?

Thank you for proving my point as those charts are rather telling seeing as how there has been a drastic more recent uptick in the overall pattern.

But in the end... here's the thing. People who deny that there could possibly be some global changes, possibly attributed to actions we as humans take don't seem to present any real reasons as to why being cautious in that regard isn't beneficial. Its not just about the climate. Its about humanity. Without the enforcement of environmental controls you wind up getting environments like those that exist in parts of asia where one has to wear a respirator.

The real reason most who deny this possibility is that most assume that is surely must be a liberal thing. So even if the earth's temperature rose 20 degrees overnight they would still not believe a word, instead sticking to their reasons for mere idealogical reasons and nothing more.

edvard2 says

Thank you for proving my point as those charts are rather telling seeing as how there has been a drastic more recent uptick in the overall pattern.

We can't honestly make that statement until we see at least a few more years of data, as there is no statistical trend. The top graph has a black trend line on it, that's the result of a center weighted four year average (1-2-1 filter). We could be in for more year like 2005 or 2012 with respect to hurricanes, and we have no way of predicting that, much less the behavior of the entire climate.

edvard2 says

Interesting that as I write this there are now national weather-related disasters on a scale not seen before and what's more, what used to be occasional occurrences like fires, tornadoes, floods, hurricanes and so on are happening with a dramatic increase.

What we experience now is more destruction due to greater population density and more building close to the shore. That and some of the asteroid impacts and super volcanoes of the past make things like hurricane Sandy a walk in the proverbial park.

Al Gore Explains The Real Motivation Behind Republicans' Climate Change Denial

They're assholes! They don't care how much your family will be affected by climate-related disasters and the resulting economic downturns. They only care about their own selfish interests and appeasing their overlords.

You're just now figuring this out?

"I can understand conservative's callous, selfish disregard for others, its their pride in it that passes me by."

“If you doubt that crap personality is the driving force behind conservative politics, look back to your childhood. I’ll bet a dollar to a doughnut that every one of your friends and acquaintances who was an asshole then, is a conservative today.” Rack Jite - http://rackjite.com

Iosef V HydroCabron says

"I can understand conservative's callous, selfish disregard for others, its their pride in it that passes me by."

I can understand progressives callous, selfish disregard for others, its their pride in it that passes me by

Iosef V HydroCabron says

“If you doubt that crap personality is the driving force behind conservative politics, look back to your childhood. I’ll bet a dollar to a doughnut that every one of your friends and acquaintances who was an asshole then, is a conservative today.” Rack Jite

If you doubt that crap personality is the driving force behind progressive politics, look back to your childhood. I’ll bet a dollar to a doughnut that every one of your friends and acquaintances who was an asshole then, is a progressive today.

I fault Gore not for warning of a global warming phenomenon incoming, but for profiteering from people who were also concerned about this. He got three times richer than he already was by owning energy credit swap companies and roping environmentally conscious citizens into throwing good money down an absolute rat hole.

The solution will never be what he claims. Even if we managed to go 100% green tomorrow and hold in our farts, we'd never convince the reat of the developing world to stop their race toward "progress." China is now easily the #1 polluter. The only real solution is solar blocking through stratospheric SO2 injection.
Case in point: the volcano in Iceland a few years back ended a California drought and brought some of the rainiest winters on record to the state. That's worn off now, so expect temps to climb again.

clambo says

The only real known effect of global warming is rising sea levels. Nothing else can be attributed to warming.

I'm pretty sure that 90% of the glaciers on earth melting rapidly can be attributed to warming.

Quigley says

I fault Gore not for warning of a global warming phenomenon incoming, but for profiteering from people who were also concerned about this. He got three times richer than he already was by owning energy credit swap companies and roping environmentally conscious citizens into throwing good money down an absolute rat hole.

Guess he figured it out ! "there is a sucker born every minute?"

edvard2 says

Its about humanity. Without the enforcement of environmental controls you wind up getting environments like those that exist in parts of asia where one has to wear a respirator.

a good reason to stop buying from China and move mfg back to our shores, else nothing changes...if we can do it 'cleaner' why have China continue with the pollution...

and here is where Liberals and Climate fanatics go ape shit where they DONT WANT us to have any mfg economy.

Quigley says

The only real solution is solar blocking through stratospheric SO2 injection.

Case in point: the volcano in Iceland a few years back ended a California drought and brought some of the rainiest winters on record to the state. That's worn off now, so expect temps to climb again

Now there's irony for you! The only way to stop global warming?

Acid rain!

I always get a laugh out of the continued argument if it's getting warmer and if it's caused by man. I submit this eye test as evidence, If you can see and think you can come up with the answer.

http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2008/08/global-warming-6.html

bob2356 says

I'm pretty sure that 90% of the glaciers on earth melting rapidly can be attributed to warming.

They say, the Sahara was once a lush jungle, but global warming changed that too...

indigenous says

No I want you to focus, I said Al Gore is projecting in that he is accusing the conservative of doing what he does. He is in it for the money period.

dodgerfanjohn says

That's an inconvenient truth!

What you are attempting is called Poisoning the Well, which is a disingenuous and deceptive tactic of distracting from the truth. So, no, I won't play along. I'll call you out on your bullshit.

The indisputable facts of climate change have nothing to do with Al Gore. Yes, he reported them in the movie An Inconvenient Truth and he was completely accurate. However, the facts themselves have been confirmed by millions of scientists around the world spanning decades.

I can and have listed on this site a plethora of evidence from well-respected organizations and peer reviewed scientific journals detailing the causes and effects of climate change. You conservatives simply choose to ignore any evidence contrary to your selfish and short-sighted political agendas. You always try to twist what is essentially a scientific issue into a political one.

And the science is indisputable. We are now more certain of climate change science than we are that the world is round. Yes, there's actually many orders of magnitude of evidence detailing climate change than detailing the shape of the Earth. It is more ridiculous to deny all this evidence than to deny that the Earth is round. That's how stupid conservatives look when they deny what everyone else has known for years to be true.

And that everyone else includes...

The World Health Organization

Over the last 50 years, human activities – particularly the burning of fossil fuels – have released sufficient quantities of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases to affect the global climate. The atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide has increased by more than 30% since pre-industrial times, trapping more heat in the lower atmosphere. The resulting changes in the global climate bring a range of risks to health, from deaths in extreme high temperatures to changing patterns of infectious diseases.

From the tropics to the arctic, climate and weather have powerful direct and indirect impacts on human life. Weather extremes – such as heavy rains, floods, and disasters like Hurricane Katrina that devastated New Orleans, USA in August 2005 – endanger health as well as destroy property and livelihoods. Approximately 600 000 deaths occurred worldwide as a result of weather-related natural disasters in the 1990s, some 95% of which took place in developing countries.

Rising sea levels – another outcome of global warming – increase the risk of coastal flooding, and could cause population displacement. More than half of the world's population now lives within 60 kilometres of shorelines. Floods can directly cause injury and death, and increase risks of infection from water and vector-borne diseases. Population displacement could increase tensions and potentially the risks of conflict.

More variable rainfall patterns are likely to compromise the supply of fresh water. Globally, water scarcity already affects four out of every 10 people. A lack of water and poor water quality can compromise hygiene and health. This increases the risk of diarrhoea, which kills approximately 2.2 million people every year, as well as trachoma (an eye infection that can lead to blindness) and other illnesses.

Increasing temperatures on the planet and more variable rainfalls are expected to reduce crop yields in many tropical developing regions, where food security is already a problem.

The Environmental Protection Agency, you know, the organization started by that hippie Dick Nixon.

The major scientific agencies of the United States — including the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) — agree that climate change is occurring and that humans are contributing to it. In 2010, the National Research Council concluded that "Climate change is occurring, is very likely caused by human activities, and poses significant risks for a broad range of human and natural systems".

The global average temperature increased by more than 1.4°F over the last century. In fact, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), the decade from 2000 to 2010 was the warmest on record, and 2010 was tied with 2005 as the warmest year on record.

The Earth does go through natural cycles of warming and cooling, caused by factors such as changes in the sun or volcanic activity. This has been closely examined, and the warming we have seen in the past 50 years cannot be explained by natural factors alone. This figure illustrates one piece of evidence that shows that recent global warming is primarily a result of greenhouse gas emissions from human activities.

Changing the average global temperature by even a degree or two can lead to serious consequences around the globe. For about every 2°F of warming, we can expect to see

5—15% reductions in the yields of crops as currently grown
3—10% increases in the amount of rain falling during the heaviest precipitation events, which can increase flooding risks
5—10% decreases in stream flow in some river basins, including the Arkansas and the Rio Grande
200%—400% increases in the area burned by wildfire in parts of the western United States

NASA

The evidence for rapid climate change is compelling:

Sea level rise
Global sea level rose about 17 centimeters (6.7 inches) in the last century. The rate in the last decade, however, is nearly double that of the last century.4

Global temperature rise
All three major global surface temperature reconstructions show that Earth has warmed since 1880.5 Most of this warming has occurred since the 1970s, with the 20 warmest years having occurred since 1981 and with all 10 of the warmest years occurring in the past 12 years.6 Even though the 2000s witnessed a solar output decline resulting in an unusually deep solar minimum in 2007-2009, surface temperatures continue to increase.

Warming oceans
The oceans have absorbed much of this increased heat, with the top 700 meters (about 2,300 feet) of ocean showing warming of 0.302 degrees Fahrenheit since 1969.

Shrinking ice sheets
The Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets have decreased in mass. Data from NASA's Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment show Greenland lost 150 to 250 cubic kilometers (36 to 60 cubic miles) of ice per year between 2002 and 2006, while Antarctica lost about 152 cubic kilometers (36 cubic miles) of ice between 2002 and 2005.

Declining Arctic sea ice
Both the extent and thickness of Arctic sea ice has declined rapidly over the last several decades.

Glacial retreat
Glaciers are retreating almost everywhere around the world — including in the Alps, Himalayas, Andes, Rockies, Alaska and Africa.

Extreme events
The number of record high temperature events in the United States has been increasing, while the number of record low temperature events has been decreasing, since 1950. The U.S. has also witnessed increasing numbers of intense rainfall events.

Ocean acidification

Since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, the acidity of surface ocean waters has increased by about 30 percent. This increase is the result of humans emitting more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere and hence more being absorbed into the oceans. The amount of carbon dioxide absorbed by the upper layer of the oceans is increasing by about 2 billion tons per year.

National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, which is part of the clearly anti-business organization called the United States Department of Commerce

Sea level is rising at an increasing rate.

There is strong evidence that global sea level is now rising at an increased rate and will continue to rise during this century.

While studies show that sea levels changed little from AD 0 until 1900, sea levels began to climb in the 20th century.

The two major causes of global sea-level rise are thermal expansion caused by the warming of the oceans (since water expands as it warms) and the loss of land-based ice (such as glaciers and polar ice caps) due to increased melting.

Records and research show that sea level has been steadily rising at a rate of 0.04 to 0.1 inches per year since 1900.

This rate may be increasing. Since 1992, new methods of satellite altimetry (the measurement of elevation or altitude) indicate a rate of rise of 0.12 inches per year.

This is a significantly larger rate than the sea-level rise averaged over the last several thousand years.

The United Nations

A U.N. panel has released an exhaustive new report on climate change. The bad news: it’s all our fault. The worse news: it’s not going to stop.

The IPCC report boldly states with a 95 percent certainty that humans are the main cause for ongoing climate change since the 1950s. The findings attribute more than half of the increase in global surface temperature between 1951 and 2010 to human activities. The main culprit? Fossil fuels. Oil, natural gas, and coal are among the listed dominant drivers of global warming.

The Department of Defense, yeah, those liberal pussies

Climate change poses another significant challenge for the United States and the world at large. As greenhouse gas emissions increase, sea levelsare rising, average global temperatures are increasing, and severe weather patterns are accelerating. These changes, coupled with other global dynamics, including growing, urbanizing, more affluent populations, and substantial economic growth in India, China, Brazil, and other nations, will devastate homes, land, and infrastructure. Climate change may exacerbate water scarcity and lead to sharp increases in food costs. The pressures caused by climate change will influence resource competition while placing additional burdens on economies, societies, and governance institutions around the world. These effects are threat multipliers that will aggravate stressors abroad such as poverty, environmental degradation, political instability, and social tensions – conditions that can enable terrorist activity and other forms of violence.

The Department of Defense says that climate change will increase terrorism! Take that conservatives sycophants!

Hell, I'll even throw in a map of climate change affects in the U.S..

Not that all of this evidence matters. No amount of evidence will ever get climate change deniers to stop denying for the exact same reason that no amount of evidence will get Holocaust deniers to stop denying. Both groups don't give a damn about the truth or how much their society is harmed by their lies. Both groups are only concerned about political power and believe the ends always justify the means.

So, why did I write all this? So that anyone reading this will know that those who deny man-made climate change or its significance or urgency are
1. Unabashed liars.
2. Unpatriotic and willing to see harm come to the United States in the following forms in order to keep making a profit at our expense.
a. Droughts and flooding
b. Crop failure
c. Disease and other health risks
d. Terrorist attacks
3. The opposition to dealing with climate change is irrational and contrary to all evidence.
4. Those who deny man-made climate change should have no say in the policies we adopt to limit climate change and deal with the inevitable consequences, some of which are already happening.

Conservative: Oh, but Al Gore explained the problem to us a decade ago and we don't like him, so we have to ass-fuck America so that Gore does not get credit for preparing us for the greatest threat to national security we're facing.

Conservatives hate America. Sure they say they love America, but look at how they speak and treat their fellow Americans. They are willing to throw us all under the bus to disparage an ex-vice-president who did nothing wrong. That's not patriotism; it's the exact opposite. Conservatives do more harm to America than all foreign terrorists combined. And I say "foreign" because one can make a damn good case that conservatives are domestic terrorists sabotaging our nation's economic and national security.

Dan8267 says

What you are attempting is called Poisoning the Well, which is a disingenuous and deceptive tactic of distracting from the truth. So, no, I won't play along. I'll call you out on your bullshit.

No, your article accuses the Rs of catering to their campaign contributors, I'm saying Gore is doing the same thing the result of which have pushed him towards becoming the 1st green Billionaire.

Here are many scientists who say you scientists findings are shite:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_opposing_the_mainstream_scientific_assessment_of_global_warming

Dan8267 says

And the science is indisputable. We are now more certain of climate change science than we are that the world is round. Yes, there's actually many orders of magnitude of evidence detailing climate change than detailing the shape of the Earth. It is more ridiculous to deny all this evidence than to deny that the Earth is round. That's how stupid conservatives look when they deny what everyone else has known for years to be true.

Want to stop Global Warming ... Go to China ! You can convince a BILLION PLUS people to stop polluting... Im sure we can all pitch in and buy you a one way ticket.

Dan8267 says

Conservatives hate America.

yep... they caused the SouthWest to become a desert, once a lush forest

now full of Snakes and Scorpions, cause they deny Global Warming.

thomaswong.1986 says

o to China ! You can convince a BILLION PLUS people to stop polluting

Tie trade to both human rights and pollution. For every problem, there is a solution.

Your argument is that because the U.S. turned China into a polluting economic powerhouse, we should completely ignore the train headed right at us. That's just plain stupid.

The United States has to lead the world in anti-pollution legislation including by restricting or taxing all Chinese imports as long as China pollutes. And the entire reason China pollutes is that American corporations set up shop in China in order to pollute. Pollution is a form of theft and should be treated as such.

Dan8267 says

Blah Blah Blah.

If your so concerned about Global Warming... get out to China...

If your just an obnoxius piece of shit looking for a hand out $$$

like Al Gore, who doesnt give a shit ... whats the point of listening to

your meaningless crap.

Dan8267 says

Your argument is that because the U.S. turned China into a polluting economic powerhouse, we should completely ignore the train headed right at us. That's just plain stupid.

they have been polluting long long before nixon came to their shores.

Want to make a difference... you should be flying to China this week!

indigenous says

Here are many scientists who say you scientists findings are shite:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_opposing_the_mainstream_scientific_assessment_of_global_warming

Give me five minutes and that Wikipedia article will say all those so-called scientists are actually escape inmates from Arkham prison.

Wikipedia is a source of misinformation controlled by corporations and government agencies who dominate pages and use them as propaganda.

In contrast, my evidence comes from scientific, peer-review publications and highly respected national and international organizations with a long track record of expertise on the subject matter.

Really, are you seriously trying to use Wikipedia to contradict the World Health Organization, the Environmental Protection Agency, the National Aeronautics and Space Administration, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, the United Nations, and the U.S. Department of Defense? And you wonder why rational people don't take you seriously.

Dan8267 says

Tie trade to both human rights and pollution. For every problem, there is a solution.

and there you have it... NIMBY so dont blame China if your the one

who moved US Mfg to China because of enviromental issues..

you reap what you sow... and this is what you get for moving jobs

overseas .... now you dont want to stop the pollution that is spreading global.

thomaswong.1986 says

Dan8267 says

Blah Blah Blah.

If your so concerned about Global Warming... get out to China

1. You deliberately misquoted me.
2. If you're so concerned about corporate profit and don't give a damn about pollution, move to China.
3. Nothing you said has contributed anything to this conversation. You have not refuted any facts presented by your opposition. You merely try to distract from the issue.
4. You, personally, are harming America by spreading stupidity and misinformation about a matter of national security -- that's the Department of Defense's words, not mine -- and that makes you the most unpatriotic person in this country.

Dan8267 says

You, personally, are harming America by spreading stupidity and misinformation about a matter of national security -- that's the Department of Defense's words, not mine -- and that makes you the most unpatriotic person in this country.

Its folks like you on the left that harm this nation. You want to stop pollution.. fine... go to China and convince them. What are you affraid
of.. dirty your hands?

Dan8267 says

you wonder why rational people don't take you seriously.

No I don't give a shit what you think.

My point was that Gore was projecting.

There is evidence that there is global warming but assigning cause is a different story. They used to cry mini ice age a few decades back.

Before that there was a lot of chatter about acid rain. But once the funding for acid rain studies dried up so did the chatter about acid rain.

Once the funding for Gore's straw man dries up so will the chatter. BUT if the asshole gets cap and trade passed who knows when the chatter will dry up.

You mutts are being duped, Gore does not give a shit about anyone but himself.

thomaswong.1986 says

Dan8267 says

You, personally, are harming America by spreading stupidity and misinformation about a matter of national security -- that's the Department of Defense's words, not mine -- and that makes you the most unpatriotic person in this country.

Its folks like you on the left that harm this nation. You want to stop pollution.. fine... go to China and convince them. What are you affraid

of.. dirty your hands?

indigenous says

My point was that Gore was projecting.

You're "point" is an irrelevant and unsupported assertion. I'd debate it, but it's not even worth the time since that's not what this is about.

This thread is about why conservatives say that climate change is a hoax, not man-made, or something we can't address even though all the evidence contradicts them. And this thread has demonstrated the real motive: conservatives don't care how much climate change will hurt the world or even America because they stupidly believe that they won't be affected, so they simply sell out for money and power.

Dan8267 says

You're "point" is an irrelevant and unsupported assertion. I'd debate it, but it's not even worth the time since that's not what this is about

Yet it is the title of the article. Go figure...

indigenous says

Yet it is the title of the article. Go figure...

The article is about the real motivation of climate change, not about Al Gore. So yes, you are presenting a red herring.

Dan8267 says

The article is about the real motivation of climate change, not about Al Gore. So yes, you are presenting a red herring.

Even though that is not in the title?

What many people don't know is that the USA has significantly REDUCED our CO2 output and this trend may continue as we go from oil/gasoline to natural gas.

So, we don't have to actually DO anything about it here.

China and India are going to do as they please so getting worked up about it is a waste of adrenaline.