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Another right-wing shill piece which (conveniently) left out the entire previous administration's lies, of which we are still cleaning up after 6 years later..

edvard2 says

Another right-wing shill piece which (conveniently) left out the entire previous administration's lies, of which we are still cleaning up after 6 years later..

Ok I will give you one regarding WMDs

The only real challengers for the top spot would come from FDR or Wilson.

indigenous says

Ok I will give you one regarding WMDs

The only real challengers for the top spot would come from FDR or Wilson.

The top spot goes to the entire GOP. Their party is as we speak merely a puppet party controlled by their corporate handlers. The Tea party has also poisoned the party by infusing it with a steady stream of incredibly incompetent politicians and ironically the tea party itself is also nothing more than a front for more outside money using it so they can get people to blame liberals versus actually pay attention to the back room deals going on- deals that are totally against their self-interests.

edvard2 says

The top spot goes to the entire GOP. Their party is as we speak merely a puppet party controlled by their corporate handlers. The Tea party has also poisoned the party by infusing it with a steady stream of incredibly incompetent politicians and ironically the tea party itself is also nothing more than a front for more outside money using it so they can get people to blame liberals versus actually pay attention to the back room deals going on- deals that are totally against their self-interests.

Sorry but we don't award any points for mindlessly parroting vague generalities.

Lyndon Johnson
There will be no profit hoarding silver coins
http://patrick.net/?p=1242908&c=1085146#comment-1085146

Gerald Ford
There is no Soviet Domination of Eastern Europe

Ronald Reagan
I did not trade arms for hostages

George Bush
Iraq has weapons of mass destruction

George HW Bush
Read my lips no new taxes

indigenous says

Sorry but we don't award any points for mindlessly parroting vague generalities.

Its called reality. Either way, continually posting the same predictable, typical right-leaning effluent day after day isn't going to change the overall reality of the GOP and its sad and slow decline into obscurity. Clearly they aren't learning any lessons, they are losing and will continue to lose elections because demographics aren't working in their favor, and the outdated, 1950's-era idealogy they use will continue to look increasingly ridiculous.

I too miss Bush. It was always easy with him:

"This economy of ours is on a solid foundation, but we can't take economic growth for granted."
Bush, Jan 4th 2008

"You've reaffirmed the fact that our financial institutions are strong, and that our capital markets are functioning efficiently and effectively."
Bush, meeting with Paulson, March 17th 2008

"It's obvious our economy is in a slowdown. fortunately we recognized the signs early and took action."
Bush, April 30th 2008

"Our economy is beginning to improve."
Bush, Aug 30th 2008

"This is a big package because it was a big problem."
Bush, Sept 20th 2008

"If money isn’t loosened up, this sucker could go down."
Bush, Sept 25th 2008

"I'm not going to let this economy crater in order to preserve the free-market system."
Bush, Dec 17th 2008

Far be it from me to defend Republicans but you have to admit the O really is the most fucked up asshole in the history of the US.

Indigenous! The "ctrl-c ctrl-v troll" strikes again.

clambo says

Of course there's the famous: "islam is a religion of peace." Bush

In fairness, Bush simply didn't want the avg American to retaliate against his Muslim neighbors.

I'm sure that Bush knows nothing about Islam, other than the fact that Kareem Abdul Jabbar was a Muslim.

Yeah, Buckwheat from the Little Rascals became a muslim too.

His new name: Kareem of Wheat.

indigenous says

Far be it from me to defend Republicans but you have to admit the O really is the most fucked up asshole in the history of the US

No Bush still retains that title, but only by a hair. A country of 330 million people and we end up with Bush and Obama. as presidents WTF? The system is seriously broken.

bob2356 says

No Bush still retains that title, but only by a hair. A country of 330 million people and we end up with Bush and Obama. as presidents WTF? The system is seriously broken.

Not to defend Bush, but how so? To me it would be TARP I guess you would say Iraq?

The thing I look at is the gifts that keep on giving with O care, Frank Dodd, and the QEs and Common Core cause they are not going to end.

Iraq ended hopefully so will Afghanistan.

indigenous says

Not to defend Bush, but how so? To me it would be TARP I guess you would say Iraq?

Patriot act first. The gift that keeps on giving that has led to what any objective outsider observer would call a police state.
Then the Iraq war. The unknown of the Iraq war for the vast majority of people in the US is how it fundamentally affected the worlds perception of the US. As someone who has lived and travelled outside the US extensively the difference in the perception of the US between the 90's and now is amazing. The Us government and people have a long history of being stunning clueless about the rest of the world. This was always viewed as being kind of a beverly hillbilly's rich country bumpkin thing. Now it's seen as being malicious and self serving. Many countries that were at least neutral now actively try to thwart the Us at every turn. Former allies are not willing to help any more. It matters a lot especially since the US is losing it's dominant financial position.
Then there is the tax cuts which drove the debt through the roof. Basically the US borrowed trillions of dollars to give to the .1%.
Tarp was minor financially, but was huge in setting a very bad precedent. Failing banks should have been nationalized not bailed out.
Then there's medicare D which was just a monstrous gift to the pharma industry.

The big O, other than ocare which is actually small potatoes money wise compared to mcare D, has sinned in omission. He didn't do shit about rolling back all the civil rights abuses, he has made little effort to really do much with the budget. and he did even less in repairing the huge amounts of damage to the US reputation around the world.

So my tipping factor on the ahole selection bias is intent. Bush actively sought out and participated in his sins, for the most part obama seems to be either jimmy carter ineffective or just plain indifferent.

bob2356 says

Patriot act first.

That is supposed to end when we are no longer at war, albeit when the fuck is that going to be? Certainly Obama isn't much better in this regard.

bob2356 says

Then the Iraq war.

Your comments are subjective, of course you do not think so but none the less...

bob2356 says

Tarp was minor financially

Not true, it has led to QEs and Twist. The original TARP was worth 750 billion. The thing that was more damaging that it enabled the cronys to make money without any risk, that is at the Very core of the problem that we have today.

bob2356 says

Then there's medicare D

I don't know much about that but I don't doubt that will be Another gift that keeps on giving.

bob2356 says

The big O, other than ocare which is actually small potatoes money wise compared to mcare D, has sinned in omission.

Splain me how that is, the way I see it is that O care is going to metathesis into something bigger than and less effective than the British healthcare system. To think otherwise is ignorant of how govt programs/agencies work.

bob2356 says

He didn't do shit about rolling back all the civil rights abuses, he has made little effort to really do much with the budget. and he did even less in repairing the huge amounts of damage to the US reputation around the world.

I would say that the bigger sin may be the actual cost of Iraq/Afghanistan as the real costs don't show until all the health care costs are tallied to take care of Vets.

I would say he was played by Paulson. Paulson had all of DC convinced that the sky was falling. Which just was not true.

indigenous says

bob2356 says

Then the Iraq war.

Your comments are subjective, of course you do not think so but none the less...

All comments are subjective. Patnet isn't a research lab. You have no idea the damage done to the US image around the world by the Iraq war. Unless you take the time to look up and read the non us news sources. Even then you can't get the feeling on the ground. The US is now simply viewed as THE emperialist nation by a huge percentage of the planet.

indigenous says

Splain me how that is, the way I see it is that O care is going to metathesis into something bigger than and less effective than the British healthcare system. To think otherwise is ignorant of how govt programs/agencies work.

Bush didn't have a healthcare system. He had a senior citizen(who vote overwhelmingly republican surprise surprise) drug cost subsidy. It's big, it's expensive, and it actually protects the high prices of drugs. Plus it's not budgeted. The money to run it is simply borrowed every year. Ocare may or may not grow. The opposition is enormous. So far it's not a huge amount of money. And the money is actually in the budget. I was a registered republican for 30 years until Bush took office. I'm not any fan of democrats, but I've got to say Bush has Obama beaten hands down as the worst president in history.

How in the world does an insurance subsidy metathesis into a public health care system? They are contradictory principles. If anything ocare entrenches the current system even further by putting the health insurance companies even more in full control of the system plus subsidising insurance for lower incomes (who vote overwhelming democrat surprise surprise) to really lock everyone in.

Splain how this metathesis is going to happen. The last thing in the world health insurance companies (with their huge lobbying and campaign contribution budgets) want is any type of public health care. Private insurance has been creeping into medicare for years. Looks to me like it's going the other way.

bob2356 says

How in the world does an insurance subsidy metathesis into a public health care system?

Watch because you will see. The way they do it is how big pharma medicare d did it by lobbying. The metastasizing will occur through growth in money spent.

Under Johnson they predicted that medicare would cost 500 million, WSJ projected the unfunded liabilities to 74 trillion dollars.

The sun may or may not come up tomorrow but O care will grow geometrically.

indigenous says

Watch because you will see. The way they do it is how big pharma medicare d did it by lobbying. The metastasizing will occur through growth in money spent.

Are you trying to say ocare will grow lbigger or are you trying to say ocare willl grow into a publlic health care system. You aren't making any sense.Even if ocare gets bigger it's an insurance company subsidy, nothing more, nothing less. What does that have to do with NHS in Britain?

Either way I said EXCEPT for ocare obama has been malignant through being ineffective or not caring enough to change things. Bush put a great deal of money, time, effort and planning into fucking things up..I vote Bush worse.

bob2356 says

ou aren't making any sense.Even if ocare gets bigger it's an insurance company subsidy, nothing more, nothing less. What does that have to do with NHS in Britain?

I don't care whether it is public or a subsidy, either way the price is not going to comply with the market price and either way the citizens are going to get screwed.

In the long term Obama is much worse.

indigenous says

I don't care whether it is public or a subsidy, either way the price is not going to comply with the market price and either way the citizens are going to get screwed.

Public or subsidy for what? Market price? Have you been taking lessons in incoherence from the captain?

So Obama's only legislative accomplishment, a subsidy for health insurance, is long term worse than the combination of:
Patriot act that destroyed any vague pretence the bill of rights was still valid.
Iraq war which destroyed the US standing in the world.
Tax cuts which doubled the debt, giving the money directly to the .1%
Bank bailouts that made wall street a permanent benefactor of the policy of private profits, public losses.
Medicare D

Sorry but this list is several orders of magnitude worse than Obama not fixing any of it and even making some slightly worse. If you are going to pretend to be objective you can't be a lick spittle bush apologist. Obama sucks, but is manna from heaven compared to Bush.

bob2356 says

o Obama's only legislative accomplishment, a subsidy for health insurance, is long term worse than the combination of:

Patriot act that destroyed any vague pretence the bill of rights was still valid.

Iraq war which destroyed the US standing in the world.

Tax cuts which doubled the debt, giving the money directly to the .1%

Bank bailouts that made wall street a permanent benefactor of the policy of private profits, public losses.

Medicare D

You bet your ass

bob2356 says

Sorry but this list is several orders of magnitude worse than Obama not fixing any of it and even making some slightly worse.

Show me the math. I demonstrated how LBJ's promise of 500 million turned into 75 trillion is unfunded liabilities. That was just for people over 65, O care is for everyone. Yea that is going to turn out well...

Obama: "Wall Street committed no crimes."

You forgot: "I never heard Rev. Wright say such things in church!" Obama

Of course there's the famous: "islam is a religion of peace." Bush

My pet peeve is a guy changing his name just as he gets into politics. His whole life his name was Barry Soetoro but later he decided to become "black" around the time he went to Chicago.

Imagine his ambition, he stopped dating his preferred color chicks to go after michelle and become an undercover brother. I wouldn't make such a sacrifice.

wrong again.
He's using an airbook...

rooemoore says

Indigenous! The "ctrl-c ctrl-v troll" strikes again.

Iraq has WMD.

indigenous says

bob2356 says

o Obama's only legislative accomplishment, a subsidy for health insurance, is long term worse than the combination of:


Patriot act that destroyed any vague pretence the bill of rights was still valid.


Iraq war which destroyed the US standing in the world.


Tax cuts which doubled the debt, giving the money directly to the .1%


Bank bailouts that made wall street a permanent benefactor of the policy of private profits, public losses.


Medicare D

You bet your ass

Thanks to bush you will end up with the government you and everyone else who believes this deserve. He started ( or at least dramatically accelerated) a process that very probably can't be stopped. Enjoy it. I'm so glad I have other citizenships

indigenous says

I demonstrated how LBJ's promise of 500 million turned into 75 trillion is unfunded liabilities.

Pure bullshit. Medicare A & B has been stable at 2% of GDP for 30 years. Adding in C & D added another 1%. No one takes the 75 years into the future unfunded liabilties bs seriously except you and rush. Christ, even Sen Coburn who thought it up knows it's just politics. If you want to count then next 75 years then the military has 50 trillion in unfunded liabilities.

bob2356 says

If you want to count then next 75 years then the military has 50 trillion in unfunded liabilities.

Cept when people live that long and have been promised that long you have to

bob2356 says

Then the Iraq war. The unknown of the Iraq war for the vast majority of people
in the US is how it fundamentally affected the worlds perception of the US. As
someone who has lived and travelled outside the US extensively the difference in
the perception of the US between the 90's and now is amazing.

I agree. I've travelled the world frequently and have family still living in Europe.

It sure as shit didn't help that most Democrats and Leftists instantly politicized foreign policy after 9/11 where they were parroting Jihadi propganda that Bush only invaded Iraq to steal oil, or that "Bush Lied about WMD's", or that "Bush knew about 9/11".

Then again, if you are old enough you should know that America was pretty much hated by all the leftists during the Cold War and said the same shit about Reagan too.

America had sympathy by Europe and the rest of the world for about 1 week after 9/11 when we were on our knees digging out of the rubble and burying thousands of our dead citizens.

Who needs that type of sympathy from the world's ankle-biters, authoritarians and Islamist joo-haters?

I think the world is getting a good taste of what they claimed to want with America in retreat and rise of a multi-polar world. The world looks great right now doesn't it?

clambo says

His whole life his name was Barry Soetoro but later he decided to become "black" around the time he went to Chicago.

Get real, this is just birther idiocy:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/studentid.asp

corntrollio says

Get real, this is just birther idiocy

I see those guys setup around town, what is their deal, do they get a commission for registering someone or getting pledge or something?