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elliemae says

I'm challenging you right now: What did I say that is demonstrably WRONG?

Again, I must direct you to the list I wrote (above) of things you've said that are demonstrably RIGHT.

Although, as was pointed out, I was overly generous with the items that I listed.

Laws today -championed by women-have made slavery a reality. Feminism of yore is false. back then men did the hard labor and risky stuff. Only rich women did not work. Every other woman had to work-wether that be taking care of 10 kids, looking after the farm and dairy cows etc etc. no man could make it by himself and raise a family.

There were certain fields that women did not enter and that changed-the same for non white folks. An initial step up to help them get past the barriers is fine. But today you have women like meg Whitman, Carly Fiorina, Sarah Palin-women of all stripes making it on their own, with no help from men and making it to the top-yet women cry about equal pay and have one more mandate passed. Plenty of men don't have equal pay-it is your negotiating skills. Any woman who has fought her way to the top on her own skill-I respect immensely. I have met many who also had families and are senior management. They made it work. if you are not interested in doing what it takes and yet want the pay -legally mandated by Obozo the clown-then people will tend to look at woman as less than worth folks who can't make it on their own. There are plenty of men who fail to make the grade and are fine-they don't clamor for laws for equal pay with the more driven ones??

On divorce, women wanted equality-then it is only fair they need to take responsibility. If she cannot take care of her kids and herself on her own-it is only fair they give the kids to the responsible party in the equation. if the did, this nation would not be in this mess. no personal responsibility. A woman who spreads her legs to ten men, gets knocked up by a famous dude-will get 50k or 60k a month for the next 18 yrs. No accounting for the money, no say by the father. In many states people are forced to shell out 30% or more of pay and some states, folks are forced to stay in jobs they don't like-if they want to take a less paying jobs-a judge can arrest them. This is the world of equality, if a woman needs a few years to get on her feet-then the father can take care of the kids just fine.

If the govt gets out of this and it should-women will learn dignity and self respect again-instead of making modern marriage a giant brothel with govt as armed pimps. Kids only need basics-food, shelter and should be taught to be responsible at a young age. A predatory woman whose only skill is to lay on her back and get knocked up by a rich dude is not a role model or a victim. Now of course we have men doing the same thing-eg men of Halle berry and Brittany Spears. of course feminists will be up on their arms -their lies will come falling down and they will be asked to work. The funny thing is the successful women don't talk feminism and equality. They are out there, being successful, being a boss of 10-100 men-they don't need to use govt to be successful. They are successful on their own.

Until stupid govt rules in this day and age are repealed, people will talk about and think about women the same. Instead if you learn to be tough and negotiate equal pay-then you will have respect. less sobbing, whining and more kick ass-do you ever hear Sarah palin say-oh poor me I am a woman, if only I was a man? This a mother of 5 and a grandmother and she has grit-that I respect-not her views though.

Bellingham Bill says

Racism, sexism, two sides of the same coin. [Rich] [white] [men] dominate the
world for millennia, make everyone else second class citizens if not actively
enslave them, then explain to everyone else what their problems are.

Umm. The Chinese, Mongols, Indians all were great non white empires. America was found because Christopher Columbus wanted to find a better way to the riches of India.

Meg Whitman today is richer than at least 100 million men and there are others who have achieved the same heights. Do those 100 million+ men claim sexism as to why they arew not as successful as her??

What a waste of resources, investigating this woman. She did not buy back bonds to boost reserves - leave her alone.

Peter P says

The trench digger can be replaced by a robot.

Funny, I haven't seen any robotic ditch diggers.

thunderlips11 says

Peter P says

The trench digger can be replaced by a robot.

Funny, I haven't seen any robotic ditch diggers.

Great! You can invent one.

When will we see the first robotic gold digger?

Strategist says

They are also a minority in occupations that require a lot of math.

Software requires a lot of math. Not necessarily numbers but abstract math.

I suspect that women are naturally better software developers.

Well shit, if a few single digit percentage point of all the plumbers are women, there's no problem.

I'll remember that when women's studies nuts complain that only about 1/3 of corporate officers are women.

Don't forget, a lot of firms are really male-run, and they use their wives, daughters, mothers, etc. to get minority contracts.

New Renter says

See how you contradict yourself?

lostand confused says

A predatory woman whose only skill is to lay on her back and get knocked up by a rich dude is not a role model or a victim.

Agree with almost everything else said in your post, except for this one. Such a woman is a far better case than the far more numerous and far more devastating cases of women getting knocked up by pants-dragging knuckle-walkers then have to live off taxpayers and raise the kids on TV and high-fructose corn syrup.

Everyone is capable of learning if they apply themselves and are interested in subjects so there's no need to design society around gender segregation roles. Societies where main function of women is to serve as baby making factories where women are not allowed to work and are only supposed to be handling making kids/do household chores have failed to achieve the progress of western europe and united states because they crush spirit and don't develop/make full use of human potential. Part of the reason why latino families struggle financially in united states is because amongst immigrants that werent born here men are still expected to be breadwinners while woman is supposed to be babymaker/homemaker - this is part of what they call machismo. But it's changing among those who are first generation and go on to college so I expect that they will "assimilate" within a 2 generations or so.

dublin hillz says

Part of the reason why latino families struggle financially in united states is because amongst immigrants that werent born here men are still expected to be breadwinners while woman is supposed to be babymaker/homemaker - this is part of what they call machismo.

In general, groups with flexible belief systems tend to do better.

I think those who do well tend to have productive relationships with their beliefs/meta-beliefs. It may explain why Reform Jews and Calvinists tend to be quite successful.

In your humble opinion, are Central American(predominantly Mexican) illegal immigrants pushing education in the household in the same way that East Asian, South Asian and African immigrants (both legal and illegal) are?

dublin hillz says

Part of the reason why latino families struggle financially in united states is because amongst immigrants that werent born here men are still expected to be breadwinners while woman is supposed to be babymaker/homemaker - this is part of what they call machismo. But it's changing among those who are first generation and go on to college so I expect that they will "assimilate" within a 2 generations or so.

Education cannot replace the will to succeed.

Tiger parents may be putting their kids in the "best" school districts. In the end, they are just priming the next generation for a glorified mediocre life.

MMR says

In your humble opinion, are Central American(predominantly Mexican) illegal
immigrants pushing education in the household in the same way that East Asian,
South Asian and African immigrants (both legal and illegal) are?

No, jews/indian/chinese/japanese/korean households tend to have more of a top down structure where parents guilt and shame their offsprings into reading and getting good grades utilizing methods such as direct insults and social comparison to other families "they know." Despite the fact that they love the riches that america provides their childrearing tactics are extremely authoritarian and un-american. Jews/chinese particularly are often referred to as "people of the book" and hence this "infrastructure" goes back hundreds of years. Additionally many of the immigrants from those societies tend to be well off, the ones that don't do well tend to stay back home.

Latinos on the other hand - the well off don't want to immigrate to the states - their are very happy over there and their standard of living would actually go down if they came to united states as well as social prestige. The ones that tend to arrive - if they happen to have some affluence they typically do emphasize education but not in a tyrannical manner. However, the first generation kids that do succeed often have to be self driven as opposed to the other groups that I described who often succeed just to please the parents and avoid the punishment. In my eyes, the success that comes from free will is more impressive than someone who succeeds at the point of the belt....

At any rate, I have noticed that latinos that do go on to college tend to follow the "white" path by delaying marriage and having children. They are also not too fond of stereoptypical gender expectations that their parents subscribe to. Therefore, my belief is that they will acculturate/assimilate in fairly short order.

dublin hillz says

Latinos on the other hand - the well off

ie. Europeans.

when we say 'well off' Latin Americans we mean European residents of Latin American countries.

have you actually ever BEEN to latin america? vacationing in Cancun doesn't count.

turtledove says

You make these sweeping statements about women that are so ridiculous it is difficult to believe that you mean them seriously.

NO GENERALIZING HERE ESPECIALLY IF THE GENERALIZATIONS ARE TRUE.

turledove:

please shut up we all know you haven't done anything with you life aside from create drama and manipulate your retarded husband into giving you money.

Peter P says

Strategist says

They are also a minority in occupations that require a lot of math.

Software requires a lot of math. Not necessarily numbers but abstract math.

I suspect that women are naturally better software developers.

do you have any idea how much damage this white knight bullshit has done to the sciences?

have you ever had a chat with one of these brilliant female 'scientists'? who can't even do basic arithmetic but her professor is terrified to give her anything less than a B? have you ever worked with one of these people who are part of your department, contribute absolutely nothing but trivial platitudes, and know that they will never lose their job? HAVE YOU?

no you haven't. But you thought making a comment like that might increment your popularity on some stupid web forum by a small infinitesimal amount.

Rin says

the best way for a co-ed to get some extra spending money is to be an escort/stripper.

The problem (depending on your p.o.v) is that some do so well that they lose all interest in finding entry level jobs, after college, since none of those jobs pay nearly as much as serving a few regulars for a little bit of time.

Ppl, I've provided some insight as to why college co-eds in Quebec are into the *legal* scene over there.

How comes no one is interested?

WOMEN ARE HORRIBLE SOFTWARE DEVELOPERS.

men make decisions based on math,facts, and objective judgment.

women make decisions based on clothes, their current hormonal state, and I don't know- the phases of the moon? (who the fuck really knows)

point being- Women are not suitable for the scientific professions. For as long as we continue to harbor these acidic notions of equality our municipal systems will be utterly impotent.

FACT- you can track the output of practically any project or company, the moment women arrive and demand positions productivity, profits, and sanity take a nosedive. There was a very good reason why women were not allowed on trading ships during the late middle ages. They naturally tend to manipulate people into doing things and never produce anything. ASMOF, they usually refuse to work with each other! A women will typically prefer to work with other men because she knows she will do practically nothing while she manipulates the men into doing all the work for her.

turtledove says

Everyone in this house knows that if you need something fixed, ask mom.

Soooooo, just wondering.......Umm.... Are you happy with your current arrangement?

JK. Just an attempt at humor about how all the good ones are taken. I'll bet you also,...ahhhh nevermind.

Rin says

Rin says

the best way for a co-ed to get some extra spending money is to be an escort/stripper.

The problem (depending on your p.o.v) is that some do so well that they lose all interest in finding entry level jobs, after college, since none of those jobs pay nearly as much as serving a few regulars for a little bit of time.

Ppl, I've provided some insight as to why college co-eds in Quebec are into the *legal* scene over there.

How comes no one is interested?

Quebec is faraway. Never been there even though I spent time in Toronto as a child. Bring them to Vegas. "What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas" :)

Women are biologically designed to be parasitic. This is how they get men to support them so they can create children. I suppose this has some sort of higher value- if you view population as being the greatest good. It is in their very nature to manipulate men into doing their bidding, paying for their crap, paying for their children(even if theyre not the mans), just look at ANY divorce case. But men have a chemical biological blinder on that makes it impossible for them to see this. They have this image of beautify and perfection that they see when they look upon a member of the opposite. Typically this image wears off by middle-age and women are aware of this as well, thats why they spend their 20s and 30s getting men to agree to financial and legal liabilities that essentially get them into a trap for life. Society and the state are in full support of this program.

Strategist says

Rin says

Ppl, I've provided some insight as to why college co-eds in Quebec are into the *legal* scene over there.

How comes no one is interested?

Quebec is faraway. Never been there even though I spent time in Toronto as a child. Bring them to Vegas. "What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas" :)

Oh ... how wrong you are. Vegas is symbolic of the nouveau riche mentality, a lot of cash burned but for ordinary services, just to be in some gaudy hotels in the middle of an over-lit desert wasteland.

Montreal QC is the best kept open secret of the northeast. If you spend similar amounts of cash (and of course you do your homework a little bit), the quality of fun will be a lot more and you get all the enmities of a low crime, first world city.

And they have a casino, if you're a gamer.

actually Vegas is an excellent bargain if you just want the basics.

you could rent a house and eat out every night in Vegas for about $1500/month.

Montreal and Quebec are fairly nice outposts of French culture in the the Americas.

The Original Bankster says

actually Vegas is an excellent bargain if you just want the basics.

you could rent a house and eat out every night in Vegas for about $1500/month.

Well, the basics don't cover the ladies of the night :-)

For that, QC rocks the first world of North America.

in Reno they make the hos get checked up for STDs and they carry around this proof that theyre not infected. PROGRESS!

The Original Bankster says

actually Vegas is an excellent bargain if you just want the basics.

you could rent a house and eat out every night in Vegas for about $1500/month.

Montreal and Quebec are fairly nice outposts of French culture in the the Americas.

As long as you can control your gambling. A few days is more then enough.

Rin says

Montreal QC is the best kept open secret of the northeast. If you spend similar amounts of cash (and of course you do your homework a little bit), the quality of fun will be a lot more and you get all the enmities of a low crime, first world city.

You are enticing me Rin, I'm getting excited.
If I can manage to call it a business trip I might even get a tax write off.

je parle francais aussi

The Original Bankster says

actually Vegas is an excellent bargain if you just want the basics.

As long as the basics include staying indoors 4 months a year. I like vegas I've spent a lot of time there, but I could never live in the low desert heat. Reno on the other hand rocks. Much more reasonable weather, much smaller more manegeble city , and you have the sierra mountains/lake tahoe literally in the back yard.

The same applies to QC. I really prefer the much smaller Quebec City to Montreal for my dose of north american style french culture. Unfortunately my learned mostly in bars after lots of drinking complete with that horrible languedoc/ camargue accent (the one where you add an emphasized g to the end of every word that ends in n "à demang" "quatre-vang" "vang rouge") 4th grade french is pretty much a foreign language in QC. They speak a very very different version of french.

marcus says

turtledove says

Everyone in this house knows that if you need something fixed, ask mom.

Soooooo, just wondering.......Umm.... Are you happy with your current arrangement?

JK. Just an attempt at humor about how all the good ones are taken. I'll bet you also,...ahhhh nevermind.

The arrangement is fine... It's not that my husband cannot do these things if he puts his mind to it... He just isn't around enough. I am very lucky. He does his share of whatever needs to be done -- when he can.

Call it Crazy says

turtledove says

Everyone in this house knows that if you need something fixed, ask mom.

That's just the opposite in my house. If something is broken, it was probably caused by mom :)

I was always pretty good at puzzles. I like figuring things out. And throw on top the fact that for several years I was hiding an extra pet from the landlord. So, my choices were to fix it myself, live with it broken, or get caught having two cats when I was only allowed one (not my fault... it was a stray that showed up on my balcony with a broken leg. After I fixed him, I couldn't give him up.)

The Original Bankster says

turledove:

we all know you haven't done anything with you life aside from create drama and manipulate your retarded husband into giving you money.

Hey, creating drama and manipulating retards isn't easy. Just ask any politician.

hey if you want to manipuate a retard more power to ya, but quit walking around like this gives you some credibility on important venues like anonymous web forums.

The Original Bankster says

turledove:

please shut up we all know you haven't done anything with you life aside from create drama and manipulate your retarded husband into giving you money.

The Original Bankster says

hey if you want to manipuate a retard more power to ya, but quit walking around like this gives you some credibility on important venues like anonymous web forums.

And there I go demonstrating my skills again. I contributed to this drama and manipulated a retard into replying. I'm so good I scare myself. Wait till you see the next trick where he posts again, and I never respond.

Strategist says

Rin says

Montreal QC is the best kept open secret of the northeast. If you spend similar amounts of cash (and of course you do your homework a little bit), the quality of fun will be a lot more and you get all the enmities of a low crime, first world city.

You are enticing me Rin, I'm getting excited.

If I can manage to call it a business trip I might even get a tax write off.

I'm happy to have inspired you.

Now that I'm not having kids, when I'm retired, this will be my regular hobby, in addition to being the Renaissance man.

The Original Bankster says

have you ever had a chat with one of these brilliant female 'scientists'? who can't even do basic arithmetic but her professor is terrified to give her anything less than a B? have you ever worked with one of these people who are part of your department, contribute absolutely nothing but trivial platitudes, and know that they will never lose their job? HAVE YOU?

I can't do basic arithmetics.

Why do people think math is all about arithmetics? What about monoids?

sbh says

Rin says

the Renaissance man.

Don't you mean "a" Renaissance man? Reality is certain he's a "member of the tribe" so unless you choose the appropriate article he'll have to start calling you a fascist along with the rest of the human race.

I'm from the school of thought that the Renaissance man concept of prior centuries, like Johann Goethe, Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, etc, died off during the postwar era where a man's life's purpose was to be, little more than a worker bee producing 2.x children to continue the society.

So by me, resurrecting the concept as the modern Renaissance man, then as others follow suit, I can merely decrement my level to just another Renaissance man.

Another detestible thread! Someone is creaming, and it's not Elsie.

turtledove says

And there I go demonstrating my skills again. I contributed to this drama and manipulated a retard into replying. I'm so good I scare myself. Wait till you see the next trick where he posts again, and I never respond.

Why do you pick on the "special" ones?

Its just cruel!