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RWSGFY says

SA is a red herring and nobody made a convincing case on how they supposedly benefited from 9/11.

The United States had military bases in Saudi Arabia, you know, Mecca? That was one of binLaden's demands, and we moved our bases to Iraq after the 2nd Iraq war.

Saudi Arabia was obviously involved, probably at the behest of the United States AND Israel. All the hijackers were Saudi except for one. Osama binLaden was a CIA asset during the Russian/Afghanistan war in the 1980s. Israeli intelligence was following around the hijackers, even followed them to Florida when they were getting their pilots licenses.

We needed an excuse to go to war in the Middle East, killing 3,000 people in the WTC justified that excuse. Plus, the buildings were filled with asbestos, and they weren't being rented out much. Working in a skyscraper isn't really that convenient.

RWSGFY says

SA is a red herring and nobody made a convincing case on how they supposedly benefited from 9/11.

@RWSGFY Most of the hijackers were Saudis and you don't believe that Saudis did it?

Saudi intelligence greeted hijackers at LAX and housed them (now declassified after 20 years) and you don't believe Saudis did it?

Islam is motive enough. Islam demands the submission or murder of all infidels - plus they were pretty pissed about US troops on the "holy" soil of SA.

I'm not saying that it was only the Saudis. GW Bush looks like he played a part too. Remember that he grew up with "Bandar bin Bush", one of the Saudi royals that the Bush family hosted.

I'm a fan of David Chandler. As a physicist he has performed careful analysis of the 3 WTC towers that fell on 9-11-2001. I am convinced that explosives were involved.

But who cares? The last couple of years have shown us who are enemies are. The FBI, CIA, NSA, IRS, etc., along with all of the corrupt politicians need to be splintered into a thousand pieces and scattered to the winds.

https://911speakout.org/david-chandler/#collections

David Chandler is best known in the 9/11 Truth Movement for proving that NIST lied in denying that Building 7 underwent freefall. Freefall is a literal smoking gun for controlled demolition. See David’s 6-part serial essay entitled Free Fall on Medium.com.

David has looked at the overall behavior of Building 7 as it comes down in freefall. Others have looked carefully at the structural details and whether it is possible for the building to come down the way it did due to natural causes. Most notable in this research is a project by Dr. Leroy Hulsey at the University of Alaska, Fairbanks, who, with two graduate students, has constructed mathematical models in two different finite element analysis systems to simulate the behavior of the structure. (A quick summary of the conclusions is that fire could not have caused the observed failures.)

Onvacation says

The FBI, CIA, NSA, IRS, etc., along with all of the corrupt politicians need to be splintered into a thousand pieces and scattered to the winds.

Talk like that is what got JFK killed by the CIA.

I talk like that too. Everyone should!

Trollhole says

https://www.columnblog.com/p/nyt-runs-pro-saudi-op-ed-without

I think most of us are aware of the Pentagon audit report days before 9/11. Something I wasn't aware of, apparently building 7 is where they were holding the audit(the one that was not hit by a plane), and has the on air audio saying to blow it:

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/corruption/the-pentagon-fails-another-audit-trillions-missing/

A young Alex Jones

75 -85% + people have melanin( shades of dark)
If u live near equator with more sun , u will be dark in after some generation. Can't generalize that all darker skin people r bad or terrorists. May be by religion.

US dropped few nukes on civilians, US exterminated native americans, Germans did holocaust, Lenin killed millions in communist revolution.... ww1 , ww2, doesn't mean all white ppl are evil also.

Most of those 9/11 people were from Saudi, and Pakistan. Bin laden was living nicely in pakistan with 3 wives, near military base. Pakistan military havily funded by USA. I think US created excuse to attack Iraq. Whole thing is made up.

KgK one says

US exterminated native americans

You were probably taught that, but it's not true.

I'm pretty sure there are more American Indians now than when Columbus arrived. And the deaths that did happen were overwhelmingly from diseases that the Indians didn't have immunity to, not from any deliberate policy of killing. This graph is about Mexico, but same thing happened in what is now the US:

Something happened to the Polynesians too.

I had not heard about that. Or maybe I did, with the Hawaiians.

https://images.app.goo.gl/Mc1Voymq5bmJ361L8



May not be delibrate killing, but indirect impact. Columbus landed in 1492. Many Natives may have died from diseases brought on by European migrants. But many were pushed out from their own land. They are hunting n farming, moving to new areas created lack or food n shelter. Many died from moving.

Similar happened to natives of Australia. Polinesias.. British tried to do similar in india, also. Bought up food and let natives die of hunger. Then sent in mother teresa with food to convert people. Bengal hunger. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of_1943

All that resource collection for what, few rich people got richer (mostly jewish ) n , created more wars. England almost got destroyed in ww2. Lucky that Germany didn't get nukes, it was so close.

The 1800 and 1830 maps are incorrect, because the Spanish were occupying California, Arizona, and New Mexico by that point.

Patrick says

The 1800 and 1830 maps are incorrect, because the Spanish were occupying California, Arizona, and New Mexico by that point.

Texas, too.

RWSGFY says

SA is a red herring and nobody made a convincing case on how they supposedly benefited from 9/11.

I don't think it was SA but I think there were Islamicist Simps inside SA Intel.

Patrick says

I'm pretty sure there are more American Indians now than when Columbus arrived. And the deaths that did happen were overwhelmingly from diseases that the Indians didn't have immunity to, not from any deliberate policy of killing. This graph is about Mexico, but same thing happened in what is now the US:

Squanto was DESPERATE to ally with the Pilgrims because his tribe was more depopulated from disease and other tribes were muscling in on their turf.

The diseases ran ahead of the actual settlers or conquistadores. There were waves of disease in New England due to visiting Basque Fisherman and European Explorers. The Spaniards mapped and quickly surveyed (with landings) Mexico years before Cortez invaded.

In Apocalypto, it shows the mysterious disease impacting the Mayans(?) and their mass sacrifices to the hungry sun to appease it before the Europeans are sighted at the end of the movie.

Patrick says

Well, these days in Gaza, their kid's head might explode when they do. "And here comes the missile into the hospital. Open wide."

Those 'Dancing Israelis' on 9/11 were Saudis? I would have never guessed.

The_Deplorable says

The most secure building in perhaps the entire world somehow had a complete malfunction of all of its security cameras on that fateful day. That sounds familiar. Where have I heard that one before?

AmericanKulak says

I'm pretty sure there are more American Indians now than when Columbus arrived.

Perhaps you're correct in numbers of individuals but if you take the mass of all of the people in the US (where maybe lots have 1% ancestry) then yes, there is definitely a lot more American Indians these days - or so I've seen estimated.

Patrick said that not AmericanKulak....

RayAmerica says

Those 'Dancing Israelis' on 9/11 were Saudis? I would have never guessed.

They were interviewed by both local police and others. All their movements and habitations traced and confirmed. They went on TV later and gave interviews. They're somewhere on the net but the Aunty Semites and the Inda Pendantic Bitchute Bloviators don't talk about it. Basically college kids looking to see the world while working.

Regardless of whatever motives somebody throws on them, there's absolutely nothing linking them to the hijacked planes. Or the holograms and C-4 if you're a Troofer.

It would take a bunch of kids a helluva long time to plant C-4 floor by floor in the Towers or WTC 7.

Whereas the Saudis, Egyptian, and Moroccan hijackers have a long and deep history of Islamicist writings, fanaticism, attempts to get Kuffar grants to train themselves to fly, visits to Saudi Intel Safehouses, etc. etc. etc. Not to mention purchasing the tickets and video tape of them boarding the planes.

In fact the lady in the Gov Office they went to in order to try to sucker the Dhimmi into funding their flight school said that she didn't report it her suspicions that they were up to something lest she be accused of being anti Multi Cult. Their visit and paper request is in the records.

Churchill danced when he heard of Pearl Harbor.

AmericanKulak,

How did Building 7 collapse?

AmericanKulak says

They were interviewed by both local police and others. All their movements and habitations traced and confirmed. They went on TV later and gave interviews. They're somewhere on the net but the Aunty Semites and the Inda Pendantic Bitchute Bloviators don't talk about it. Basically college kids looking to see the world while working.

You are incorrect.

They were there before the first plane hit. The were recording with video tape. They worked for Urban Moving Systems, which disappeared and disbanded the next day. Their testimony is redacted as shown by FOIA requests. The were on Israeli TV and said they were there to document the event

They were intelligence working at a front. Israel is at least in part responsible for 9/11 and you have no excuse not to know this by now. I believe you do know. This has been explained in detail here multiple times by me, so my conclusion is you are purposely misinforming others to their detriment

RWSGFY says

OK, what was the angle, if it was really them?

Of course it was them. Didn't they find the new passports amongst the rubble?

RayAmerica says

How did Building 7 collapse?

The Dancing Israeli Kids spent months hooking up C4 to the building in the morning, and hauling sofas and twin bed frames all over Brooklyn in the afternoon.

Burning debris from the Towers caused fires on multiple floors. While the sprinkler system put out those that started on higher floors, because it was fed by large rooftop water towers, the lower floors depended on the city water mains centered on the Twin Towers that were damaged, with alternate supplies being inadequate to fight the fire either by sprinkler or proximal water hookups.

Firefighters abandoned WTC7 earlier in the day because OTHER BUILDINGS also caught fire from burning debris from the Towers, but those buildings were considered worth bothering as they had adequate water supply. The NYFD early on put WTC7 at the bottom of their priority list because of the water main issue and the multiple fires, and were working on fires in other high rises and clearing pathways in all the debris while searching any persons who were buried or trapped due to debris.

Other fires in other modern buildings had one point of origin, WTC7 had several fires on a wide array of floors.

And in fact, additional bracing was later installed to support a TV tower on WTC7's roof is why the building lasted as long as it did, but once that column was heated for too long, it gave way and then the entire building collapsed. Had the TV tower never been installed, WTC7 would have indeed fallen in an uncontrolled way hours earlier.

AmericanKulak says

The Dancing Israeli Kids spent months hooking up C4 to the building in the morning, and hauling sofas and twin bed frames all over Brooklyn in the afternoon.

No they didn't. They weren't actually furniture movers at all. They hired local illegals to handle that. Their job was to track the people following the planes. They followed them to Florida while they were training to fly for example - they even helped move them at one point, no doubt to bug their new place. Who knows?

People have collected the FOIA, looked at arrest reports, etc. They had a party on Monday September 10, 2001 - isn't it weird they had a party on a Monday? 9/11 was on a Tuesday. There were only 5 of them. Probably not Mossad, they were quite unprofessional.

https://911research.fandom.com/wiki/Urban_Moving_Systems

AmericanKulak says

Burning debris from the Towers caused fires on multiple floors. While the sprinkler system put out those that started on higher floors, because it was fed by large rooftop water towers, the lower floors depended on the city water mains centered on the Twin Towers that were damaged, with alternate supplies being inadequate to fight the fire either by sprinkler or proximal water hookups.

Somebody may have sabotaged the fire suppression system of the WTC towers. The Port Authority controls that, they were doing "illegal work". This was Denko Mechanical. They are also disbanded I believe.

https://web.archive.org/web/20051023112746/http://911review.org/Sept11Wiki/DenkoMechanical.shtml

No point in telling you this, you won't believe it, and even if you're already aware of it, you'll ignore it.

Don't strawman though. People who "work" for fronts RARELY do any work of their stated nature. You've never seen a front have you? In NY, when you go to a mob front, they are genuinely surprised somebody is in the "store", it's immediately apparent you're in a front because everything is covered in dust, and the people "working" there don't even know how to operate a cash register. Some fronts aren't so obvious, and actually do business - I mean, why not?

Anyhow, you don't give a damned about what actually happened - which is why they got away with it. So 3000 people dead, 7 wars, at least 5 million dead from that, and the actual perpetrators got away with it, because people like you outnumber me 1000 to 1 and it only put us 30 trillion dollars into debt.

AmericanKulak says

Firefighters abandoned WTC7 earlier in the day because OTHER BUILDINGS also caught fire from burning debris from the Towers, but those buildings were considered worth bothering as they had adequate water supply.

And a bunch of them died, so there's that as well. Less manpower to fight any fire anywhere.

There's no point in debating with Rich on this topic when he says stuff like this:
richwicks says

No they didn't. They weren't actually furniture movers at all. They hired local illegals to handle that. Their job was to track the people following the planes. They followed them to Florida while they were training to fly for example - they even helped move them at one point, no doubt to bug their new place. Who knows?

Literally admits no one knows. His links are gold, yours aren't. I wouldn't waste your time on this topic. He knows all.

WookieMan says

Literally admits no one knows.

As I said, there are FOIA requests, which are still redacted 20 years after.

https://911research.fandom.com/wiki/Urban_Moving_Systems

You won't do the most basic, simple research nor thinking.

Here's the interview of the 5

https://youtu.be/rStJ5BgadPs?feature=shared&t=360

I've forgotten more about this than you will ever know, and unlike you, I'm capable of thinking.

The official story is that an Israeli was running an illegal business in Manhattan to as movers and Israeli students (Israeli, not merely "Jewish") moved across the fucking planet to work a menial job to move furniture. This business was abandoned after 9/11.

You've forgotten about the reports of truck bombs being stopped, they had explosive reside on their hands, they have 1000's of dollars of cash, and they all has tickets to leave the United States - they were fleeing. They have video tape of the event, photographs, and they've admitted this. Their interrogation showed they were contradictory and lied (told they weren't very professional) and when they were caught by police they said "We are no your problem, the Palestinians are your problem".

You just don't know anything about it, and you damned well won't listen to me, and if you don't know what happens 2 decades later, you're really not interested.

The people who did it, got away with it.

The fact they were there before the first plane hit, that's all you need to know. They had prior knowledge. It's like some nitwit telling me just because Victoria Nuland was picking out the next government of Ukraine with Geoffrey Pyatt 2 weeks and 4 days before "the revolution", that doesn't PROVE there was a coup.

Yes it does. It shows prior knowledge. In the same way, they wouldn't be illegal, unregistered aliens "working" for a moving company who just happened to be taking time off in the morning at or before 8:46 am on a Monday to capture the WTC being hit, then CELEBRATING to a point that a resident across the way called the police and had them apprehended hours later, because the police sure are useful..

And if people just did a LITTLE thinking, and they won't, it doesn't matter how bad or stupid the propaganda is. We went to war with Iraq soon after because "Hussein worked with binLaden to do 9/11" (impossible, binLaden was a Saudi and religious leader, he was CIA during the Afghan/Russian war, he fought for the mujahideen. People are willingly ignorant, and people like you are happy to spread ignorance.

AmericanKulak says

Burning debris from the Towers caused fires on multiple floors. While the sprinkler system put out those that started on higher floors, because it was fed by large rooftop water towers, the lower floors depended on the city water mains centered on the Twin Towers that were damaged, with alternate supplies being inadequate to fight the fire either by sprinkler or proximal water hookups.

Again, don't waste the time. Rich knows infrastructure as a keyboard expert. He's worked in the field or knows experts in the field personally that work with people that have 9/11 evidence. He has links so that means he's right. He's also a building engineer from his links that are 100% right and yours are wrong.

Fact is you know what you know. I don't rely on links. I talk to actual humans. So I never argue 9/11 with anyone. I simply know more from actual experts and people. I'm not creating a website to prove people wrong and give them a link. Some people you cannot deal with on certain topics.

WookieMan says

Again, don't waste the time.

I was responding to Ray. I assume Rich had a apoplexic conniption over it and threw out a lot of assertions as if it was evidence.

Israeli Students and Arabs all lived close to each other, in the NYC area. PROOF! The Israeli students were spies. I can't believe there were Israelis and Islamicists in the NYC area at the same time. What are the chances of that?

I wonder if there are Israelis and Islamicists living in the other cities close to each other, like LA and Chicago, too? "Pah! Those who believe ZioLies will say that's coincidence too!"

WookieMan says

Again, don't waste the time. Rich knows infrastructure as a keyboard expert.

If anything I've said is factually incorrect or you think it is, let me know.

You just insult, that's fine. I am happy to show the shallowness of your thinking, to demonstrate, by allowing you to do it.

This is a TWO DECADE OLD EVENT, and I don't feel like rehashing it when Rumsfeld is dead now, George Tenet got the "Presidential Medal of Freedumb", we've gone to a fucking war that had NOTHING to do with it, and the real perpetrators made billions.

If this was 2005 I'd be trying to explain it to you, frantically, maybe we could stop it, maybe we could hold people accountable. I was hardly the only one, certainly not a principle in investigating it. You weren't there at all. You're still just "oh, you wearing a tinfoil hat" - the whole fucking thing is documented.

https://www.amazon.com/Terror-Enigma-11-Israeli-Connection/dp/0595296823

People have written about this extensively, you haven't even looked at it.

I get so fucking pissed off that people can't even be BOTHERED to post links or to show their thinking. I just don't think most people think. There really are NPCs in this world, incapable of thinking so why continue this?

We know there is a Saudi Connection, we know there was a Israeli connection, we know that the FBI was involved in the WTC bombing in 1993, we know there was some fucking suspicious shit with miraculously finding passports, Israel security handled ALL the terrorists at the airports, there's been FOIA requests, and nobody cares. The time for caring was when something could have been done about it. Operating Mockingbird was a complete success, it was uncovered in 1975 when I was FIVE YEARS OLD, and nobody around me has even bothered to care. Your deserve your slavery.

AmericanKulak says

Israeli Students and Arabs all lived close to each other, in the NYC area. PROOF! The Israeli students were spies.

The proof is when they went on Israeli television and said they were there to record the event, and were caught with video tape recording the first plane hitting. Already gave you the video. Here it is again:

https://youtu.be/rStJ5BgadPs?feature=shared&t=360

You just ignore everything, so what is the point of trying to "convince" you? I could go find the FOIA reports, you'll ignore those too.

You know, because everybody drives at 8:00 in the morning on Tuesday to go to a parking lot for no reason with a bunch of cameras and a video camera with 5 other guys, when they are all illegal Israeli immigrants that work for a moving company that is also illegal with plane tickets to fly out of the country in the next few days. For some reason they decided to video tape the WTC and just happened to get the first attack on tape - then when they went back to Israel they said on television they were there to record the event.

Just coincidence.

Never in the history of the world had any skyscraper collapsed due to a 'fire.' Yet, on 9/11, three collapsed in their own footprint. Let's not even discuss the Pentagon or the Shanksville, PA plane crash site ...

RayAmerica says

Never in the history of the world had any skyscraper collapsed due to a 'fire.' Yet, on 9/11, three collapsed in their own footprint

And led to the longest fire in the history of building fires.