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Tenpoundbass says

Or you become one of them. Thanks for remaking the point.

Those that don't make the team end up in the Lime pit.

I can vouch: it happened to me.

After a few years of having Spanish-speaking neighbors on both sides of me, I no longer speak English.

Oops: I got that wrong. The parents barely spoke a lick of English, but their kids fight with each other in perfect English. Guess I got it wrong - sorry.

Uh-oh:

[The Irish] hate our order, our civilization, our enterprising industry, our pure religion. This wild, reckless, indolent, uncertain and superstitious race have no sympathy with the English character. Their ideal of human felicity is an alternation of clannish broils and coarse idolatry. Their history describes an unbroken circle of bigotry and blood.

- Benjamin Disraeli, 1836

They don't assimilate. They hate our society. They will never accept us.

If a resume with the name Killelea on it crosses your desk, you should file it immediately.

In the shredder.

He'll stagger in to work drunk, do nothing, fight with everyone, act all superstitious, and spew bigotry! (Was Disraeli on to something with that last one? Hmm ... )

More sound warnings. Heed them, or Liberty shall be raped!

FortWayne says

Diversity is good if people want to become part of American culture.

That's how the Immigration Act of 1965 threw a wrench into things. Since 1924, immigration had been limited to people from northern and western Europe, the most likely to assimilate and become self-sustaining, as opposed to people from southern and eastern Europe. The 1965 act allowed people to migrate to the United States from Asia, Africa, the Middle East as well as Southern and Eastern Europe and well as many more from Latin America. These populations are much less like to assimilate into the common culture of America and also less like to be self-supporting.

HydroCabron says

The 442nd Regiment was the most decorated unit for its size and length of service in the history of American warfare. The 4,000 men who initially made up the unit in April 1943 had to be replaced nearly 2.5 times. In total, about 14,000 men served, earning 9,486 Purple Hearts. The unit was awarded eight Presidential Unit Citations (five earned in one month). Twenty-one of its members were awarded Medals of Honor. Its motto was "Go for Broke"

To that end this is a talk that describes what it felt like from their point of view. Honor is not a strong enough a word to describe their integrity

This is yet another reason that FDR was one of the worst presidents in the history of the United States.

http://www.ted.com/talks/george_takei_why_i_love_a_country_that_once_betrayed_me

FortWayne says

Diversity is good if people want to become part of American culture. If they come here just to take advantage of our society and not become a part of it, that destroys the community. Why would someone care for their neighbor if they have nothing in common and have completely different goals. One wants to improve the community, other just wants to make his money and doesn't care for anything.

That's part of the problem.

Yep, that's what they said about the irish and italians. They would never become part of american society.

HydroCabron says

Tenpoundbass says

Or you become one of them. Thanks for remaking the point.

Those that don't make the team end up in the Lime pit.

I can vouch: it happened to me.

After a few years of having Spanish-speaking neighbors on both sides of me, I no longer speak English.

Oops: I got that wrong. The parents barely spoke a lick of English, but their kids fight with each other in perfect English. Guess I got it wrong - sorry.

Living in the Rio Grande valley for a number of years I constantly saw the parents talking in spanish and the children answering in english. The fairy tale that people live in america for generations without learning english is absurd, yet there are people (ft wayne for example) stupid enough to believe it.

HydroCabron says

For 300 years, the United States has been taking people who were shunned for religious fanaticism by the rest of the world. We have kicked ass and taken names, economically and militarily. Or was this all a lie, elaborately cooked up by diabolical P.C. false-rape accusers playing a long game to weaken the American white male, so underrepresented in high-paying professions and positions of authority?

Nice

FortWayne says

If they come here just to take advantage of our society and not become a part of it, that destroys the community.

This makes no sense. Most jobs aren't about improving the community, and people spend most of their time in their jobs or with family and friends. Self interest is universal, and that's a major thing we have in common with others. Time flies by. IF the people that come here are assholes, it doesn't mean their descendants will be. Maybe their kids will look around and not want to be like their parents. Hopefully they look around and see the good chance to be accepted by the community as one of us. Diversity actually makes that easier to happen. Differences are accepted by the community as no big deal.

Diversity works fine until liberals come in and start fixing it, then it all goes to shit.

FortWayne says

Diversity works fine until liberals come in and start fixing it, then it all goes to shit.

The LBGT restrooms fracas--making a problem where non existed. Just another splinter group as though we didn't have enough already.

without diversity, we'd have shit food in this country.

Mexican food, salsa dancing, tango dancing, thai food, and the fucking railroads were built by chinese.

That's just a start.

WIthout diversity, I'd have to eat at Applebees, and have to talk to some moronic asswipe like fortwhine or ironvagina. NO THANKS!

blowmeironvagina says

That's just a start.

Blow Meir On Vagina, why do you have to bring up Golda Meir? Is it because Joe Biden was reported to have said privately that Hillary Clinton's war-mongering and murderous ways was because she wants to be the new Golda Meir?

Oh. Blow Me IRON Vagina. Never mind.

FortWayne says

Diversity works fine until liberals come in and start fixing it, then it all goes to shit.

I agree--as long as the blacks, Micks, Chinamen, Pollocks, etc. know their place, things run swell.

why do you think exercise cures melatonin anxiety?

bgamall4 says

Well, you are a racist bast**d, Wayne. So, you do squat to fix it.

This will end with all public multi-player bathrooms converted to individual portapotties.
Thanks libbies for the extra 40 billion in debt that this will cost...

P N Dr Lo R says

The LBGT restrooms fracas--making a problem where non existed.

tatupu70 says

FortWayne says

Diversity works fine until liberals come in and start fixing it, then it all goes to shit.

I agree--as long as the blacks, Micks, Chinamen, Pollocks, etc. know their place, things run swell.

Oh boy another liberal race card used as an instant GOTO, what else is new.

HydroCabron says

Guess what? Just like the Irish and Italians whose descendants now live in the burbs, are considered White, could lead much less join the KKK, and vote Republican, so too will the Hispanics in 20 years.

tatupu70 says

I agree--as long as the blacks, Micks, Chinamen, Pollocks, etc. know their place, things run swell.

You forgot the krauts, wops, and catholics.

Don't forget the Honkees...old fuckers that they are...

bob2356 says

tatupu70 says

I agree--as long as the blacks, Micks, Chinamen, Pollocks, etc. know their place, things run swell.

You forgot the krauts, wops, and catholics.

End illegal immigration, track people on visas and arrest them when they fail to report an address change or if they overstay their visa, and I'm pretty sure the problems mostly end.

I grew up on a street where I was the only white kid. Everyone else was asian(mostly Japanese descent) or Hispanic. Everyone got together every 4th for a block party. I grew up with the other kids and went to school with them. Race really wasn't ever an issue because everyone was simply American. Maybe I'm a simpleton, but I don't think that race has much to do with it, although culture does. So even though there was a mix of religions and ethnic backgrounds, everyone shared American culture.

tatupu70 says

Pollocks,

Is that like Jackson Pollock? Oh, you mean POLACK

Pollock rhymes with bollock

anonymous says

We suspect that blacks and Latinos also report lower trust for other reasons, including continuing discrimination, victimization by the police and hostile political rhetoric.

And the most obvious one that was missed, which is black on black crime. That has little to do worn hostile political rhetoric or police victimization and is only indirectly related to discrimination at best.

FortWayne says

Diversity is good if people want to become part of American culture.

There is no single American culture as made clear by the cowboy vs hippie culture war and many others. Nor need there be. The only cultural values that should be universal are Western, not American, values of liberty, democracy, equality under law, and transparency in government.

FortWayne says

Why would someone care for their neighbor if they have nothing in common and have completely different goals.

Morality. It's your god who demands that you care about every single one of your neighbors as if they are your brother. That's kind of the entire point of Christianity from Genesis saying you are your brothers keeper to Jesus saying love your neighbor as yourself.

Once again the atheist has to school Christians on Jesus's teachings. So much for Christianity influencing people to be good.

FortWayne says

Diversity works fine until liberals come in and start fixing it, then it all goes to shit.

Another vague accusation that Fort Wayne will not back up with a specific example.

dodgerfanjohn says

End illegal immigration

Easy to do. Just make all immigration legal and take off quotas. What's that? You don't want to do that? Oh, so it's not illegal immigration that you oppose; it's actually immigration you oppose. That would be fine if you had the balls to be intellectually honest, but you don't.

The immigration issue isn't about not documenting immigrants. We live in the god damn information age. Every immigrant is documented by the NSA and Google merely by having a phone, email address, or bank account. It's nearly impossible today to not be documented in just about every freaking act you do including wacking off behind that tree. So immigration complaints have nothing to do with documenting immigrants or having them go through a process. Any process we want to impose can easily be done in minutes using computers rather than years unless the entire purpose of that process is to delay or decrease immigration. And if that's the case, let's be honest about it and actually discuss how much net immigration we want and what exactly is the criteria for immigrants we want. Anything less is bullshit.

I have no problem stating that I want immigrants to be intelligent, educated, and liberal. And yes, being liberal should be a requirement of immigrating to any western nation. Western civilization is founded on liberal principles and if a person disagrees with democracy, liberty, equality under law, etc. then they cannot be assimilated into our society. Hell, we should even require that people are not affiliated with any religion and fully accept science and reject all supernatural nonsense (superstitions). We need people who are intelligent, rational, and believe in liberty.

If you are not a native American get out of the U.S.
Take your diversity somewhere else.

purchasecialis says

Is there any way you may take away me from that service?

Kill yourself?

HydroCabron says

I suppose Khan, a moderate Muslim, didn't do enough to speak out against extremists, or something.

In my best Trump voice: "These people, these people, they brought us zero ... zero, zip, nada ... literally. You can look it up."

#mathjokesneverwork

Rew says

In my best Trump voice: "These people, these people, they brought us zero ... zero, zip, nada ... literally. You can look it up."

@Rew it's a good joke, but it's not true. The Hindus invented zero:

"Zero and its operation are first defined by [Hindu astronomer and mathematician] Brahmagupta in 628," said Gobets. He developed a symbol for zero: a dot underneath numbers. "But he, too, does not claim to have invented zero, which presumably must have been around for some time," Gobets added.

https://www.livescience.com/27853-who-invented-zero.html

diversity stops working when it goes too far. because people get into groups and start demanding that their group be in charge.

it is bewildering that we have laws that reduce funding for schools with white kids, while increase funding for schools with non white kids. There's your diversity, it's still human nature to get your group to the top at the expense of the other.

PatNet has a thread on the history of zero:

Carbon dating shows an ancient Indian manuscript has the earliest recorded origin of the zero symbol.

The Bakhshali manuscript is now believed to date from the 3rd or 4th Century, making it hundreds of years older than previously thought.

Other examples of zero go back to 1770 BC, and include ancient Egypt, Greece, and China.

Too little diversity can lead to purity spirals (huge conflict over extremely petty issues), ossification, and the inability to adapt with enough timeliness or strength if conditions DO change.

But too much diversity, and little can be agreed upon, leaving vulnerability to breakdown. Sociologists (a la Putnam) have long documented that once a minority approaches 15-20% in an urban area, all trust - not just between the majority and minority groups, but within both groups, as well as between individuals and institutions, etc. - take a nose dive.

The other problem with diversity is that by every objective and quantifiable standard, Western CIvilization is both vastly superior to , with a very different history and trajectory from, Islamic and Black African civilizations. It is both less obviously superior nor historically different from, Asian civilization. Hispanic Civilization is really a cadet branch of Western Civ in most ways, albeit a very narrow Iberian branch off.

Unsurprisingly, Asian and Hispanic migrants tend to be little different than European migrants in their ease of accommodation. Black Africans and Arabs are difficult to assimilate. Especially Black Muslims like Somalians and Eritreans.

Unfortunately, the demonstrably false cultural relativist ideas popular and enforced by unsanctioned "judicial philosophy" (ie Peer Pressure among the wrongly educated) makes it impossible to manage immigration by region or culture.

We would literally lose nothing in a Muslim Ban, or at least a restriction to only very secularized, already English Speaking, already Western Educated individuals from those lands (ie a trained Doctor from Khartoum whose grandfather served in the British Army, whose father was an official in the Foreign Ministry who regularly dealt with Europeans, who himself spoke English in the home AND in School, whose connection to Islam is tenuous and best described as "MINO")

I agree that some diversity is a good thing. You get exposed to new ideas, new ways of doing things, etc.

But there needs to be a single main dominant culture (I did not say race) for a country to remain a country.

I posted a link to some study by an economist recently which showed there is actually an optimum level of diversity for maximum economic progress and minimum civil wars. Latin America was given as an example area with too little diversity, and Africa as an example area of too much diversity. That's also interesting because it mirrors the actual genetic and linguistic diversity of those places.

When you go to countries without diversity, people give up their seat to elderly on buses/trains, step in to break up public fights, etc

In countries with diversity, people stay seated and pull out their cell phone cameras when they see a physical dispute.

Herdingcats says

Sociologists Maria Abascal, of Princeton University, and Delia Baldassari, of New York University, published a paper late last year which refutes Putnam’s conclusions. After reanalyzing the same dataset used by Putnam, Abascal and Baldassari asserted that when it comes to distrust and diversity, most of the distrust is expressed by Whites who feel uncomfortable living amongst racial minorities. In other words, greater distrust may stem from prejudice rather than from diversity per se. Therefore, Putnam’s conclusion that racial diversity leads to less altruism and cooperation amongst neighbors was incorrect. If there is a downside to diversity, it has less to do with the behavior of racial minorities and more to do with how Whites feel when living amongst non-Whites

This smacks of flawed ideology rather than scientific rigor.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

Unsurprisingly, Asian and Hispanic migrants tend to be little different than European migrants in their ease of accommodation. Black Africans and Arabs are difficult to assimilate. Especially Black Muslims like Somalians and Eritreans.

Why is this unsurprising though? Indian-Americans have the highest per capita income, yet you'd be hard pressed to find cultures more unique to ours than India.

No way. The graphs were painfully clear. Diversity was directly negatively correlated with all forms of civic engagement.

Reminds me of the "scientists" who claim there is no race by being overly vague and technical in their definition of race.

Herdingcats says

Turns out some people think Putnam was wrong.

Sociologists Maria Abascal, of Princeton University, and Delia Baldassari, of New York University, published a paper late last year which refutes Putnam’s conclusions. After reanalyzing the same dataset used by Putnam, Abascal and Baldassari asserted that when it comes to distrust and diversity, most of the distrust is expressed by Whites who feel uncomfortable living amongst racial minorities. In other words, greater distrust may stem from prejudice rather than from diversity per se. Therefore, Putnam’s conclusion that racial diversity leads to less altruism and cooperation amongst neighbors was incorrect. If there is a downside to diversity, it has less to do with the behavior of racial minorities and more to do with how Whites feel when living amongst non-Whites

I do not agree with Patrick's idea that diversity is inherently bad - we can remember that US in 1800's was rather diverse - it had nations living side by side which at the same time were at each other's throats in Europe and at the same time in US they were prospering and building a rich country - but this idea of Abascal that WHITES BAD BECAUSE RACIST ORANGE MAN, MINORITIES GOOD, OPPRESSED BY WHITES sounds just like typical NPC. Whites are undoubtedly the least raycist of all races now. I know quite a few TX Vietnamese - how they talk among themselves is not acceptable in white society - children get shunned if they date black people, Hispanics are not much better - they are not PC and actually say what they think etc.

Patrick says

No way. The graphs were painfully clear. Diversity was directly negatively correlated with all forms of civic engagement.

I wonder how one defines "civic engagement" and if all of "civic engagement" is actually good. SJW'ism also can probably be called civic engagement.