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All of my life I've always been shocked that most Liberal politicians of them all were all vocally against legalized Pot.
Of course their whole invstement portfolio is chocked with pharma stocks, so it wouldn't be in their best interst if people were self medicating.

I think Obozo still send federal thugs against old people on pot where it is legal state wise?

Making America Great Again

This demonstrates that Trump isn't a real conservative. Conservatives don't believe in states rights when they have enough power in the federal government to force all states to take an action like outlawing pot or gay marriage. It's only in issues they lose at the federal level that they "support" the right of states to decide.

Just another TWEEKER, wanting to destroy America with a Schedule 1 destroyer of American lives.
Any Red State that legalizes any form of pot should be vaporized.
Drug addled fuckers

Why do they HATE,AMERICA?

Since ganga has been legalized in Oregon,everyone in my area seems to grow 4 plants for recreational use.
What will happen to prices when no one has to buy mary jane?
It's a "weed" & with a little care & investment it can produce killer smoke.
Did anyone miss getting in on the bottom floor?
Red States "drug" their asses?

https://www.merryjane.com/news/trump-s-vp-is-nightmare-pick-for-marijuana-legalization

Since when does the VP count?
They are just a sideshow comedic relief.

Dan8267 says

This demonstrates that Trump isn't a real conservative. Conservatives don't believe in states rights when they have enough power in the federal government to force all states to take an action like outlawing pot or gay marriage. It's only in issues they lose at the federal level that they "support" the right of states to decide.

Not necessarily. There are small-government conservatives. It may have been a populist move, but it doesn't matter, the outcome is the same, he supports the states rights to legalize it. Score for Trump on this one.

Now that it is clear that pot is being legalized state by state, and that the feds will eventually make it legal across the country, the social conservatives are trying to get out ahead of the issue before it is to late. They want to make sure they can keep it illegal in their havens, before they lose the opportunity.

mell says

There are small-government conservatives.

Any small-government conservative would
1. Want the military budget cut by 90%.
2. Want the U.S. to be incapable of using military force to get its political and economic way.
3. Would want government to stop regulating and banning drug usage.
4. Would oppose the militarization of the police.
5. Would oppose victimless crimes like prostitution.
6. Would oppose blue laws.
7. Would oppose voter ID laws and national IDs.
8. Would oppose domestic spying.
9. Would support the rights of all people to use strong encryption the government cannot break or coerce people to give up.

So, where the fuck do I find a single such small government conservative?

YesYNot says

Now that it is clear that pot is being legalized state by state, and that the feds will eventually make it legal across the country, the social conservatives are trying to get out ahead of the issue before it is to late. They want to make sure they can keep it illegal in their havens, before they lose the opportunity.

You mean like when Hillary switched her lifelong opposition to gay marriage?

thunderlips11 says

You mean like when Hillary switched her lifelong opposition to gay marriage?

Yeah. It's clear that she pushed early for disabled and women's rights. She was pretty much centrist on gay rights, not willing to spend any political capital on it. OTOH, I don't think she ever did anything to impede great rights. Did she?

My point in this thread is that conservatives have pushed for federal action on many social issues, and lost. Then, it's too late to fight for 'states rights'. Here they seem to have learned their lesson and are giving up the battle to win the war. This is not really a pro pot position for treasonous Trump.

On Gay Marriage, PoliFact has her at "FULL FLOP"
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jun/17/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-change-position-same-sex-marriage/

Furthermore:

We decided to put Clinton’s statements about same-sex marriage on our Flip-O-Meter, which measures whether a candidate has changed their views without making a value judgment about such flips. We found that as public opinion shifted toward support for same-sex marriage, so did Clinton.

Hillary, 2004 speaking in the Senate: Marriage is between man and a woman
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4535174/hillary-clinton-gay-marriage-2004

YesYNot says

My point in this thread is that conservatives have pushed for federal action on many social issues, and lost. Then, it's too late to fight for 'states rights'. Here they seem to have learned their lesson and are giving up the battle to win the war. This is not really a pro pot position for treasonous Trump.

Nobody thinks Trump is a standard Conservative. However, Hillary is a standard neoliberal politician.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jun/17/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-change-position-same-sex-marriage/

Here's a timeline of her flip flopping. Pretty much like I said. She didn't drive the issue forward, but didn't get in the way either. She did speak out against an amendment to make same sex marriage illegal. If it were up to the Republicans, and people like her were not around, same sex marriage would be prevented in our Constitution, which would have made a mockery of the document.

thunderlips11 says

However, Hillary is a standard neoliberal politician.

How does one determine that with someone who has been on both sides of virtually every issue?

Now that it is clear that pot is being legalized state by state, and that the feds will eventually make it legal across the country, the social conservatives are trying to get out ahead of the issue before it is to late. They want to make sure they can keep it illegal in their havens, before they lose the opportunity.

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Like so many issues, there's only one candidate who is correct on cannabis. Bernie Sanders.

I don't support drugs, however I do agree with State's right to choose. Let voters decide how they want to live their lives, not the heavy handed Federal government approach.

I don't support drugs, however I do agree with State's right to choose. Let voters decide how they want to live their lives, not the heavy handed Federal government approach.

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That's an UnAmerican position to have. The federal government should be powerful enough to step in on the behalf of The People, if/when the State attempts enforcing bad/harmful laws, that restrict freedom.

You don't need to 'support' drugs. You can just not utilize them. But do you really want to pay taxes for, and give the intrusive power to, a government so mighty that they can restrict someone's chance to try and use a plant like cannabis, with a flower potentially capable of healing?

Voters can decide how they want to live their own lives, without voting to decide how someone else should live theirs.

PCGyver says

errc says

restrict someone's chance to try and use a plant like cannabis, with a flower potentially capable of healing?

Let's not forget about the hemp plant which has no psychoactive properties (it's not a drug). It still can't be grown in the USA. What is up with that?

Good question. Why aren't more people asking it?

Looks like Trump lied again, and millions of Americans will be made to suffer for it