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CL
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2016 Nov 14, 11:38am
Never happened. The entire GOP machine got behind Jeb, Rubio, and Cruz in succession and did everything possible to boost the anti-Trump candidates
Yeah, except none of them dropped out until it was too late. If they had coalesced around Rubio, for example, he would have had enough support to defeat Trump. Trump barely got above 50%, if ever, in a primary, so it's not like he was the favorite, he is what was left standing out of too many candidates. More people voted for someone else than voted for Trump.
Tenpoundbass
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2016 Nov 14, 12:07pm
Was there a better candidate for Republicans to vote for, instead of Trump?
NO! I have to keep reminding my self that Trump got through the Primaries without help from the Datacenter spooks, Wikileak or Reince Prius help.
Had the media not been the drowning Fink Rat Bastard they were throughout the whole thing, Trump would have been elected with 78% support.
Anyone that doesn't see what great phenomenal thing it is that Trump got elected at the time he did. Was really betting on America's destruction, and those Idiots will have a hell of a fucking time ever lecturing anyone about Race and Social Justice ever again. Go bake your own cake with a slamming door to the face, is the Best these assholes can expect.
MisdemeanorRebel
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2016 Nov 14, 12:13pm
Trump won the vast, vast majority of Republican Primaries, many of them by double digit percentages although the race was 3+ ways. Cruz was a regional candidate who didn't win a single state east of the Mississippi or a single Coastal State. The only big state a non-Trump candidate took was Cruz, in his own Senate Seat of Texas. And Kasich in his own Ohio. Rubio lost his own state of Florida. Trump won everything from NH to Florida, From South Carolina to California.
He won the core constituency of the Republican base, Evangelicals. He won the core region, the South, the whole thing without exception. Rubio didn't even get Florida.
And of course, Trump won the general election.
Trump was a rebellion of the White Working Class, and thus wasn't the beginning of the revolt against Country Club GOPe members, that happened when Eric Cantor lost his thought-to-be safe seat to a Tea Party challenger in the Primaries.
By the way, the brilliance of the Trump campaign is illustrated by him "Concentrating all fire" on Jeb!, even when Jeb! wasn't doing well. This was deliberate, to prevent the "unify around the Neocon Neoliberal Establishment Shill" later on.
but the blame for both rests largely on the primary voter.
Not in WA state. The DNC bears much of the blame. Super delegates for Hillary was a disastrous approach, frequently at odds with what the majority voted for. A stodgy old insider when the voting public wanted change - the DNC got their preferred candidate and choked on it. Incompetence and corruption, frequent companions, plagues the organization. I don't think it can be reformed sufficiently, and I am looking for new parties to spring up.
Peter P
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2016 Nov 14, 1:18pm
It was all about getting a woman as president, instead of getting the best man as president.
They were so set on "making history," whatever that means.
You don't make history. History makes you.
Peter P
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2016 Nov 14, 1:19pm
If they had coalesced around Rubio, for example, he would have had enough support to defeat Trump.
Coulda. Woulda. Shoulda.
Three most useless things in the universe.
CL
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2016 Nov 14, 2:51pm
And of course, Trump won the general election.
Trump was a rebellion of the White Working Class
Of course, it looks like he'll win by -2,000,000 votes in the popular. That echoes that he did not have this magical plurality, even among GOP voters. It's a tactical victory via the EC, not a landslide or a mandate.
If this had been a 3 way race, with Trump as an outsider/indy candidate he would have lost.
this had been a 3 way race, with Trump as an outsider/indy candidate he would have lost.
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Who would win an election between
Right winger- Hillary
Left winger - Bernie
Indy- Trump
Peter P
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2016 Nov 14, 3:02pm
Who would win an election between
Right winger- Hillary
Left winger - Bernie
Indy- Trump
Definitely Hillary.
CL
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2016 Nov 14, 3:07pm
Definitely Hillary.
I suspect that as much as Trump took a flamethrower to
1) the Generals
2) the women
3) the Latinos
4) The Muslims
5) The disabled
6) The religious
and so on, that they hated Hillary even more. Had they had a candidate who they didn't fear/revile, the general election voter would have deemed them the rational choice.
curious2
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2016 Nov 14, 3:21pm
took a flamethrower to...The Muslims
He didn't take "a flamethrower to" anyone, that's the bizarro mass illusion that Scott Adams likened to a pink elephant. Hillary was the one literally taking flamethrowers to Muslims, even arming al-Qaida in Syria, getting hundreds of thousands of Muslims killed, trying to overthrow yet another government and spreading Sunni Islam into NATO countries on behalf of her Wahhabi sponsors.
He did speak candidly about Islam, which is a hateful fraud perpetrated by a dead charlatan. You and most Americans should oppose that fraud because it demands the opposite of everything you claim to stand for, and besides it commands believers to kill or enslave you. Actual liberals should denounce that fraud, but dishonest Democrats call themselves "liberal" while empowering and financing it, hoping for their cut of Petrodollar kickbacks no matter how many die as a result.
Democrats on PatNet have refused even to read what Islam says, insisting on swallowing the Flavor-Aid, because their party leaders tell them to. Democrats proved willing to sacrifice American blood and treasure to finance and spread Islam. In the Californa bubble, that sold, and Democrats prevailed by probably millions of votes in California. (Remember, California was also the land of EST, and Jim Jones' "People's Temple" before it relocated to Jonestown.) Across the other 49 states, exalting Islam above American interests didn't sell, and the Democrats lost by millions of votes, including both houses of Congress. Democrats respond by doubling down: supporting a Muslim DNC chair, nevermind that he represents literally the 1%, whose doctrine commands killing or subjugating the 99%.
Partisans show a distressing lack of analytical reasoning and a total unwillingness to think through the consequences of their parties' doctrines. If you can't find at least two significant flaws in each party's platform, then you are not even trying to think for yourself.
Who would win an election between
Right winger- Hillary
Left winger - Bernie
Indy- Trump
Trump. Not many Bernie folks went over to Trump If Bernie did run, Hillary would have lost the considerable nose-holding Democratic voter group.
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It would seem that, while the Dems are supposedly soul-searching, the truth is any Democrat with less negatives probably would have trounced Trump. The primary voters on the Democratic side (I believe) checked the boxes. Woman? Sure! Clinton? Who doesn't love one of those? Your rightwing attacks will melt in the voting booth!
On the GOP side, had the votes not been split among so many candidates, the establishment would've been able to easily dump Trump to the ash heap. The candidates that did run pulled votes away from each other, making "high negatives" Trump the tallest midget. And political midgets they were, as each retort made them look foolish, while they each simultaneously tried to attack AND cozy up to the perceived front-runner. Their efforts were confusing, uncoordinated, and ineffective. Trump got the most votes cast against him (a record) during the primary season, failed to get the popular vote, and won't have much of a coalition going forward.
So while Clinton's primary voters were "okay" with the candidate, the lack of enthusiasm tamped down turnout. But it was not with acclaim that Trump was even the nominee of the GOP. Two lame-ass candidates is what we got, and the Dems botched yet another big one, but the blame for both rests largely on the primary voter.
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