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Now this is Gun Control


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2017 Nov 26, 8:56pm   13,778 views  43 comments

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It's all about a stable platform to shoot from, and a smooth trigger pull. That's the only Gun Control I know.

2 shots at 100 yards using a Tikka T3x chambered in 308 shooting 150 grain Fusion Match Ammo.

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1   BayArea   2017 Nov 26, 9:05pm  

I support this kind of gun control above.

And a related link: https://usat.ly/2BdFral
2   Goran_K   2017 Nov 26, 10:07pm  

BayArea says
I support this kind of gun control above.

And a related link: https://usat.ly/2BdFral


I smiled while reading that article. All those future 2A supporters. #maga

That being said I also agree that those who were barred from owning guns and then went on to commit crimes is a big problem. The NICS system needs to be improved. Not any new laws but simply enforcing the ones already on the books.
3   Goran_K   2017 Nov 26, 11:57pm  

HEYYOU says
What kind of weapon is the target using?


Hey You, did you make a new account?
4   joshuatrio   2017 Nov 27, 6:48am  

Nice shots!
5   Goran_K   2017 Nov 27, 7:05am  

joshuatrio says
Nice shots!


I’ll be honest, I didn’t show the 3 other shots on another target that I used to sight in the scope in (Vortex 4-16x). But once sighted in, the rifle is definitely sub-MOA.
6   anonymous   2017 Nov 27, 7:22am  

Gun control is a target with two holes in it?

Mindless Christian Right Wingnutism...not even once, ever.
7   FortWayne   2017 Nov 27, 7:31am  

That is pretty close.

impressive shot group
8   MrMagic   2017 Nov 27, 7:43am  

Goran_K says
I smiled while reading that article. All those future 2A supporters.


I'm trying to figure out why there were so many background checks that day? What's waiting in the wings? Is Hillary going to become President?
9   MrMagic   2017 Nov 27, 7:45am  

Goran_K says
joshuatrio says
Nice shots!


I’ll be honest, I didn’t show the 3 other shots on another target that I used to sight in the scope in (Vortex 4-16x). But once sighted in, the rifle is definitely sub-MOA.


The next test is to put two through the same hole!! :)
10   Goran_K   2017 Nov 27, 8:27am  

Sniper says
I'm trying to figure out why there were so many background checks that day? What's waiting in the wings? Is Hillary going to become President?


I think it's two things,

1) Gun slump after Trump was elected. People weren't scared that everything was going to get banned, so they weren't buying. It's been said that Obama and Obama's ATF were the BEST gun salesmen of the past few decades. So manufacturers were offering some crazy deals on Thanksgiving week/Black Friday. I saw a 10/22 TakeDown listed for $129 at Basspro. If I didn't have one already I would have bought one.

2) Recent crazy people shootings have motivated people to rethink their purchasing behavior since some RINOs have said they might vote with DemoRats on gun control (they still won't have enough votes in the house).
11   Goran_K   2017 Nov 27, 8:29am  

Sniper says
The next test is to put two through the same hole!! :)


I've done that before with an AR10 at 100, but I was using Federal Gold Medal Match ammo which I believe is the best 308 match ammo on the market. But it's literally like $1.25 a trigger pull so I don't shoot it that often.
12   Goran_K   2017 Nov 27, 8:32am  

FortWayne says
That is pretty close.
impressive shot group

I wanted to get 3 shots into the same group but my magazine went dry, then the range master called a 10 minute recess. Oh well, I'm pretty sure I would have put the 3rd shot into sub-MOA territory.

errc says
Gun control is a target with two holes in it?

Mindless Christian Right Wingnutism...not even once, ever.


No silly.

It's a stable platform combined with a smooth trigger pull, and controlled breathing. Much harder to accomplish than most people think.
13   anonymous   2017 Nov 27, 8:43am  

Goran_K says
FortWayne says
That is pretty close.
impressive shot group

I wanted to get 3 shots into the same group but my magazine went dry, then the range master called a 10 minute recess. Oh well, I'm pretty sure I would have put the 3rd shot into sub-MOA territory.

errc says
Gun control is a target with two holes in it?

Mindless Christian Right Wingnutism...not even once, ever.


No silly.

It's a stable platform combined with a smooth trigger pull, and controlled breathing. Much harder to accomplish than most people think.


Apparently hitting a stationary target is hard for some while I guess it comes naturally to many others. I prefer the challenge of a moving target
14   Goran_K   2017 Nov 27, 10:08am  

errc says
Apparently hitting a stationary target is hard for some while I guess it comes naturally to many others. I prefer the challenge of a moving target


What do you shoot? What's your setup?
15   Goran_K   2017 Nov 27, 10:49am  

I'm beginning to think errrc doesn't actually target shoot.
16   anonymous   2017 Nov 27, 11:10am  

Goran_K says
errc says
Apparently hitting a stationary target is hard for some while I guess it comes naturally to many others. I prefer the challenge of a moving target


What do you shoot? What's your setup?


Clays. A small pile of shotguns, a case of clays and shells beside the launcher.
17   anonymous   2017 Nov 27, 11:11am  

Goran_K says
I'm beginning to think errrc doesn't actually target shoot.


Not much anymore. There’s no challenge
18   Goran_K   2017 Nov 27, 11:19am  

errc says
Clays. A small pile of shotguns, a case of clays and shells beside the launcher.


I've shot trap, skeet, and down the line with moving targets. While it's difficult, it's not MORE difficult than hitting dime sized groups at hundreds of yards. It's more about reaction and muscle memory. I've hit 25 out of 25 targets in a round with ease.

Target shooting requires knowing some serious math, estimating wind, and knowing your holds. Knowing your calibers capabilities. It's far more complex than your average clay pigeon shooting.

So for long range shooting what is your setup?
19   MrMagic   2017 Nov 27, 3:32pm  

Goran_K says
I'm beginning to think errrc doesn't actually target shoot.


He doesn't, he's afraid of those scary "assault weapons of war".
20   Goran_K   2017 Nov 27, 3:36pm  

Sniper says
He doesn't, he's afraid of those scary "assault weapons of war".


Well the fact that he isn't talking about his gear and setup, or even the caliber he's shooting with, pretty much tells me that there might be some fibbing going on here.
21   Goran_K   2017 Nov 27, 3:39pm  

Sniper says
Exactly.... sending a big wad of birdshot down range to break a clay pigeon is simple in comparison.


I've done rounds where I hit 24 out of 25 or 25 out of 25 without breaking a sweat. I've also seen 10 year olds easily score 20 out of 25 hits.

The amount of people I know personally who can hit an 8 inch steel plate consistently at 1000 yards with a 308 bullet... maybe 1-2 individuals? Myself not included. It's an extremely difficult shot, and given the trajectory characteristics of the 308 round, takes some luck. I've done it before, 2 out of 10 shots.
22   anonymous   2017 Nov 27, 5:37pm  

Goran_K says
Sniper says
He doesn't, he's afraid of those scary "assault weapons of war".


Well the fact that he isn't talking about his gear and setup, or even the caliber he's shooting with, pretty much tells me that there might be some fibbing going on here.


What’s the fib?

Why on Earth would I lie about it?

Gear i was wearing sweatpants and a hoodie. Setup was three different 12 gauge shotguns, a large box of clays, a launcher and a case of shells. Somebody forgot to get any 16 gauge shells so my Ithaca stayed cold. Is it fair to assume that you project that others are fibbing, because you assume that others are dishonest, because you your self are less than honest?

I have nothing to gain by coming on Patnet and telling lies
23   Goran_K   2017 Nov 27, 7:41pm  

errc says
Goran_K says
Sniper says
He doesn't, he's afraid of those scary "assault weapons of war".


Well the fact that he isn't talking about his gear and setup, or even the caliber he's shooting with, pretty much tells me that there might be some fibbing going on here.


What’s the fib?

Why on Earth would I lie about it?

Gear i was wearing sweatpants and a hoodie. Setup was three different 12 gauge shotguns, a large box of clays, a launcher and a case of shells. Somebody forgot to get any 16 gauge shells so my Ithaca stayed cold. Is it fair to assume that you project that others are fibbing, because you assume that others are dishonest, because you your self are less than honest?

I have nothing to gain by coming on Patnet and telling lies


You said long distance shooting was too easy for you. What was your setup for long range shooting? What distances were you hitting? Got any screen grabs of your targets?
24   anonymous   2017 Nov 28, 5:41am  

Goran_K says
errc says
Goran_K says
Sniper says
He doesn't, he's afraid of those scary "assault weapons of war".


Well the fact that he isn't talking about his gear and setup, or even the caliber he's shooting with, pretty much tells me that there might be some fibbing going on here.


What’s the fib?

Why on Earth would I lie about it?

Gear i was wearing sweatpants and a hoodie. Setup was three different 12 gauge shotguns, a large box of clays, a launcher and a case of shells. Somebody forgot to get any 16 gauge shells so my Ithaca stayed cold. Is it fair to assume that you project that others are fibbing, because you assume that others are dishonest, because you your self are less than honest?

I have not...


There you go lying again. I said i prefer a moving target to a stationary one. Why is it so hard for you to be honest?

Do you feel that falsely accusing others of lying is civil?
25   Goran_K   2017 Nov 28, 8:57am  

Dude, you said:

errc says
Apparently hitting a stationary target is hard for some while I guess it comes naturally to many others.


So that's why I'm asking you about your experience with long range target shooting. What was your setup for long range shooting? What distances were you hitting? Got any screen grabs of your targets? If what you said was untrue (a lie), then just admit it. I won't think any less of you for admitting it.
26   anonymous   2017 Nov 28, 8:59am  

Point out where you are accusing me of lying
27   Goran_K   2017 Nov 28, 9:01am  

errc says
Point out where you are accusing me of lying


I don't think you've ever shot long range targets with any consistency and are just BS'ing.
28   Goran_K   2017 Nov 28, 9:34am  

Cut it out with the personal insults.
30   anonymous   2017 Nov 28, 10:14am  

Goran_K says
Cut it out with the personal insults.


So you call me a liar, that’s not a personal attack, and not uncivil, even though I’ve never lied on Patnet

I return in kind and correctly label you a liar, and my comment gets put in uncivil jail.

@Patrick you can’t make this shit up.
31   anonymous   2017 Nov 28, 10:39am  

Apparently hitting a stationary target is hard for some while I guess it comes naturally to many others. I prefer the challenge of a moving target



Clays. A small pile of shotguns, a case of clays and shells beside the launcher


Not much anymore. There’s no challenge



What’s the fib?

Why on Earth would I lie about it?

Gear i was wearing sweatpants and a hoodie. Setup was three different 12 gauge shotguns, a large box of clays, a launcher and a case of shells. Somebody forgot to get any 16 gauge shells so my Ithaca stayed cold. Is it fair to assume that you project that others are fibbing, because you assume that others are dishonest, because you your self are less than honest?

I have nothing to gain by coming on Patnet and telling lies


There you go lying again. I said i prefer a moving target to a stationary one. Why is it so hard for you to be honest?

Do you feel that falsely accusing others of lying is civil?


Point out where you are accusing me of lying


So because you are a serial liar, you assume others regularly lie as well? Pathetic



So you call me a liar, that’s not a personal attack, and not uncivil, even though I’ve never lied on Patnet

I return in kind and correctly label you a liar, and my comment gets put in uncivil jail.

@Patrick you can’t make this shit up.


—————-

There’s my comments in the thread. No lies

Why do you guys feel the need to lie so frequently?
32   Goran_K   2017 Nov 28, 10:40am  

errc says
So you call me a liar, that’s not a personal attack, and not uncivil, even though I’ve never lied on Patnet

I return in kind and correctly label you a liar, and my comment gets put in uncivil jail.

@Patrick you can’t make this shit up.


I didn't call you a "serial liar", and say you "regularly lie", but I said "if what you said is untrue", just admit it. I still highly doubt that you have ever engaged in long range shooting and are simply in here to troll.

Seeing as we are a dozen posts in, and you still have yet to explain your long range setup, I'm guessing I'm correct. Of course you could prove me wrong. What was your setup for long range shooting? What distances were you hitting? Got any screen grabs of your targets?
33   Goran_K   2017 Nov 28, 10:41am  

HEYYOU says
At random,when the trigger finger starts to move there could a blast of mortar,artillery,missile explosions.
A loud high pitched shrill could be added for variety.


Have you been to a range before? There are literally dozens of loud noises going off mere feet from you as you shoot.
34   anonymous   2017 Nov 28, 10:46am  

Goran_K says
errc says
So you call me a liar, that’s not a personal attack, and not uncivil, even though I’ve never lied on Patnet

I return in kind and correctly label you a liar, and my comment gets put in uncivil jail.

@Patrick you can’t make this shit up.


I didn't call you a "serial liar", and say you "regularly lie", but I said "if what you said is untrue", just admit it. I still highly doubt that you have ever engaged in long range shooting and are simply in here to troll.

Seeing as we are a dozen posts in, and you still have yet to explain your long range setup, I'm guessing I'm correct. Of course you could prove me wrong. What was your setup for long range shooting? What distances were you hitting? Got any screen grabs of your targets?


You suggested i was fibbing which is the same as calling me a liar.

You keep asking me the same questions I’ve already answered.

What do you shoot? What's your setup?

Clays. A small pile of shotguns, a case of clays and shells beside the launcher.

How many more times are you going to keep asking me the same question that I’ve already answered?

Maybe you have a reading comprehension problem, or maybe you’re so dishonest that you are misrepresenting what I’m saying, hard to tell at this point.

Go back and read all my comments and replies and then get someone to help you translate English to whichever language you speak. I’m not sure how I can be any clearer or honest here.

Why do you feel the need to lie and misrepresent what I’m saying here
35   Goran_K   2017 Nov 28, 11:09am  

You shoot long range with a shotgun?
36   anonymous   2017 Nov 28, 11:29am  

Goran_K says
You shoot long range with a shotgun?


When did I ever say that?
37   Goran_K   2017 Nov 28, 11:45am  

errc says
When did I ever say that?


Okay, so you have never done serious target shooting, don't have a long range setup, and don't know if it's easy or not? Cool. Thanks for confirming.
38   anonymous   2017 Nov 28, 12:39pm  

Goran_K says
errc says
When did I ever say that?


Okay, so you have never done serious target shooting, don't have a long range setup, and don't know if it's easy or not? Cool. Thanks for confirming.


When did i ever say that? Looks like you’re lying again, not very civil behavior for a moderator
39   anonymous   2017 Nov 28, 1:06pm  

Goran_K says
Seeing as we are a dozen posts in, and you still have yet to explain your long range setup, I'm guessing I'm correct


wtf--he said he prefers hitting moving targets. Why would he have a setup for a stationary target??
40   anonymous   2017 Nov 28, 1:06pm  

NRA says having more guns lying around will reduce the number of people using them to shoot other people.

So is the best way to avoid nuclear war is for more countries to have nuclear weapons?

Doesn't more guns correlate to more gun violence? America sure has a lot of guns and a lot of shootings.

Every day? Wow!
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/03/us/how-often-do-mass-shootings-occur-on-average-every-day-records-show.html
Definitions matter, this article says they are getting more deadly.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/10/04/mass-shootings-more-deadly-frequent-research-215678

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