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Why is it difficult for leftists to make points w/o attacking others?


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2018 Mar 19, 8:38am   53,427 views  277 comments

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My theory is that superiority is built into the identity of the left.

Accusing others of being child killers for disagreeing about gun rights -OR- suggesting disagreement can only stem from ignorance or racism or both. This form of bigotry is so deeply rooted into the psyche of the left that it becomes almost impossible to discuss a political topic w/o letting these direct personal attacks slip.

Our forum has become an interesting case study in the leftists psychology. It is the product of $billions worth of propaganda blasting soft minds with news, and nonstop Hollywood bigotry against wrongthink. The Nazi's would be jealous of the righteousness seen in today's left, and even more jealous of the glee with which the left today enacts its fascist, anti-wrongthink agenda

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69   Shaman   2018 Mar 19, 3:32pm  

And let’s shut down the “equal chance for underserved communities” argument with one single question.

Would you also be in favor of affirmative action programs for poor disadvantaged white children?

If the answer is “no” then you are a classically defined racist.
70   Goran_K   2018 Mar 19, 3:34pm  

HappyGilmore says
Is this another "fact"?


Yes.



HappyGilmore says
Nice bunch of nonsense there. Read up on history and learn how the makeup of the parties changed in the 1960s. Then you can talk about which is the party of racism.


No they didn't. This is a myth Democrats try to push to pretend that their party was not the founders of the KKK and fought to preserve slavery. I've asked posters here who made that point to name 10 senators or elected officials who switched from the Democrat/DixieCrat party to the Republican party in the 60s, and never ever got a list longer than 1-2 senators (out of over 1500 elected seats). The reason? There wasn't a "party switch".

That's such a ridiculous claim. Like, why would GOP politicians suddenly become racist, and why would Democrat racist, who had been racist for over a hundred years, suddenly become pro-black benevolent non racist. That doesn't even make any sense.

LBJ was a well known racist. Jimmy Carter opened his re-election campaign at the headquarters of the KKK. DNC e-mails leaked by wikileaks show DNC internal staffers referred to hispanic outreach as the Taco campaign, and also showed two DNC staffers cracking jokes about a black woman's name. Hillary Clinton's mentor was a KKK grand dragon for fucks sake.

Democrats have, and will always OWN the most vile racist history of the United States.

71   missing   2018 Mar 19, 3:42pm  

Goran_K says
Democrats/leftist are the most racist people in the country (


Can you please clarify if you mean all, most, many, some, etc. democrats/leftists. Because I suspect a personal attack on other users here.
72   socal2   2018 Mar 19, 3:43pm  

Goran_K says
Democrats have, and will always OWN the most vile racist history of the United States.


Yep. And don't forget the Democrat's vile history with Eugenics.

But hats off to the Democrats and their Media enablers in their successful bid to re-write history and shield the Democrats from their racist past and spin it all on Republicans.

Simply put, the South became less racist once they started to become more Republican.

Twenty years from now when Democrats finally become wise on science and biology and stop their support of abortion on demand - they will probably find a way to re-write history showing that Republicans are the party of Planned Parenthood.
73   Goran_K   2018 Mar 19, 3:43pm  

FP says
Can you please clarify if you mean all, most, many, some, etc. democrats/leftists. Because I suspect a personal attack on other users here.


In general.
74   missing   2018 Mar 19, 3:51pm  

Goran_K says
In general


Please use this or similar qualifier in future so that it is clear that you are not insulting the other users.
75   Goran_K   2018 Mar 19, 3:52pm  

socal2 says
Yep. And don't forget the Democrat's vile history with Eugenics.


Exactly. Margaret Sanger is a well known DEMOCRAT heroine who is till this day revered by well known Democrat politicians, and Democrat voters despite her KKK membership, her history of planned extinction of black people or whom she called "unfit", "weeds", etc and her overall support for the Eugenics movement. I find no difference between Sanger and Hitler in their views of people they considered "unfit".

" I admire Margaret Sanger being a pioneer in trying to empower women to have some control over their bodies and I deplore statements that you have referenced. That is the way we often are when we look at flawed human beings. There are things that we admire and things we deplore." - Hillary Clinton
76   Goran_K   2018 Mar 19, 3:56pm  

FP says
Please use this or similar qualifier in future so that it is clear that you are not insulting the other users.


You don't have to worry about me. I'm the mod here, and I'll keep things nice and clean for everyone. Rest assured.
77   Goran_K   2018 Mar 19, 4:04pm  

FP, knock it off. Being purposefully trolly and insulting of a mod isn't going to work out for you. Trying to save you some heart ache.
78   missing   2018 Mar 19, 4:15pm  

@patrick,

Your moderator, Goran, is again:
1) attacking me personally for no reason
2) lying - claiming that I've insulted him, which is not true; I was actually quite polite.
3) deleted my comment, which contained no personal attacks or has in any other way violated the site's rules

Please moderate your moderator.
79   Patrick   2018 Mar 19, 4:18pm  

Please, let's all stick to discussing topics rather than discussing each other.

Maybe it's impossible, and people just lose track of everything except hating their rivals.

I suppose that's the basis for "divide and conquer". As soon as a group is divided, there is only infighting, and no attention to external threats.
80   bob2356   2018 Mar 19, 4:22pm  

Goran_K says
HEYYOU says
The Right to keep & bear,it's accoutrements & affects,trumps the lives of the right's loved ones & friends.


Fact: If you simply banned gun ownership to leftist/democrats, the U.S gun homicide rate would be comparable to the UK or Australia per capita.


and how would that work since the highest murder rates are in liberal gun law red states and the lowest murder rates are in strict gun law blue states. Yet another inconvenient FACT.

Nice job cherry picking out a few selected cities though. Extrapolating that to the entire country and calling if fact doesn't work, but hey whatever.
81   Goran_K   2018 Mar 19, 4:25pm  

bob2356 says
and how would that work since the highest murder rates are in liberal gun law red states and the lowest murder rates are in strict gun law blue states. Yet another inconvenient FACT.

Nice job cherry picking out a few selected cities though. Extrapolating that to the entire country and calling if fact doesn't work, but hey whatever.


The highest murder rates are not in "red states" but overwhelmingly in DEMOCRAT dominated cities that happen to be in red states. The most dangerous parts of the country are entirely within Democrat controlled inner cities.

82   missing   2018 Mar 19, 4:55pm  

Patrick says
Please, let's all stick to discussing topics rather than discussing each other.


@patrick,
That's what I wish too. So please restore my comment, which Goran deleted , and delete Goran's attack against me.
83   CBOEtrader   2018 Mar 19, 5:17pm  

CovfefeButDeadly says
A true liberal would engage the following policies:

-Insist on a vote of congress and a declaration of war before engaging in overseas military action.
-fight vehemently against bank/wall st/financial bailouts and favorable policies towards such
-fully support and embrace the 1st and 5th amendments. Take a less strident(but still supportive) view of other amendments including the 2nd. A true liberal is absolutely appalled at what is going on currently in the schools and colleges.
-support tariffs that protect american industry and jobs.
-support a limited social safety net.
-support an increased tax on capital gains.


This is a decent summary. I'd disagree w in theory w increased tax on capital gains, but this isnt a perfect world. In this imperfect work, a capital gains tax would be preferable to an income tax, so functionally we still agree.
84   CBOEtrader   2018 Mar 19, 5:21pm  

bob2356 says
highest murder rates are in liberal gun law red states and the lowest murder rates are in strict gun law blue states.


perhaps clarify which states you are talking about? Not sure how you define liberal vs strict gun laws.

I haven't run the numbers in 2 years, but when you take murder rate and run a regression against legal gun ownership rate, there is a negative correlation. Higher legal gun ownership = lower murder rate per state. Although the relationship was nowhere near as strong as % of african americans to murder rate.
85   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Mar 19, 5:36pm  

Hair Hatted Houligan Relatives of rightfully shot dead Burglar complain about 2nd Amendment.

www.youtube.com/embed/9NGjm2Qz0nM

It's America's #1 Plague and the cause of most of the Violence in this country. Nasty bitches who don't love their kids, don't care what happens to them, especially the boys. Just wanting to get the most recently paroled Thug (desperate from being in prison) to bang 'em in their nasty coochie.

Trayvon's mom didn't even know what her own son liked.
86   Al_Sharpton_for_President   2018 Mar 19, 5:37pm  

Goran_K says
bob2356 says

The highest murder rates are not in "red states" but overwhelmingly in DEMOCRAT dominated cities that happen to be in red states. The most dangerous parts of the country are entirely within Democrat controlled inner cities.

Criminal genes.
87   Patrick   2018 Mar 19, 5:39pm  

FP says
That's what I wish too. So please restore my comment, which Goran deleted , and delete Goran's attack against me.


@FP Deleted comments are really gone, since backups happen at night.

Can you just repost it? Please do not make it about Goran or about any other user, or about all patrick.net users.
88   Al_Sharpton_for_President   2018 Mar 19, 6:00pm  

Nothing will ever change until folks get real about why a handful of horny, bloodthirsty Spaniards could defeat Montezuma and subjugate the Stone Age soon to be Hispanics. And why Africa is so ass backwards. Hint: it ain’t whitey.
89   Al_Sharpton_for_President   2018 Mar 19, 6:11pm  

Goran_K says

The highest murder rates are not in "red states" but overwhelmingly in DEMOCRAT dominated cities that happen to be in red states. The most dangerous parts of the country are entirely within Democrat controlled inner cities.
90   Al_Sharpton_for_President   2018 Mar 19, 6:11pm  

Criminal genes.
91   FortWayne   2018 Mar 19, 6:16pm  

Left wing media has been pushing anti American ideology, it does affect the minds of their viewers.
92   missing   2018 Mar 19, 6:17pm  

Goran_K says
Please use this or similar qualifier in future so that it is clear that you are not insulting the other users.


You don't have to worry about me. I'm the mod here, and I'll keep things nice and clean for everyone. Rest assured.


Sorry, but I can't, based on what I have seen. Especially in your case. Please use language (English is your native language, right?) that does not insult other users.
93   anonymous   2018 Mar 19, 6:23pm  

FP says
Goran_K says
Please use this or similar qualifier in future so that it is clear that you are not insulting the other users.


You don't have to worry about me. I'm the mod here, and I'll keep things nice and clean for everyone. Rest assured.


Sorry, but I can't, based on what I have seen. Especially in your case. Please use language (English is your native language, right?) that does not insult other users.


Seems fair
94   anonymous   2018 Mar 19, 6:57pm  

I found a really funny meme. It has absolutely nothing to do with the most recent comments above, nor is it targeted at any specific person on the Left.
95   MrMagic   2018 Mar 19, 7:31pm  

PrivilegedtobeWhite says
It has absolutely nothing to do with the most recent comments above, nor is it targeted at any specific person on the Left.


It does accurately fit many of the lefty posters in this thread.
96   komputodo   2018 Mar 19, 7:34pm  

Goran_K says
Worst part is, it's mostly blacks killing other blacks.


You say that as if it's a bad thing.
97   marcus   2018 Mar 19, 7:39pm  

HappyGilmore says
blacks commit SO MUCH MORE GUN VIOLENCE than other races, that you can build a decently accurate model of murder per capita knowing nothing more than % of african americans in a population


I call total BS.

I don't want to go through the troulbe unless you are willing to bet. I bet I can find a suburb, of say, D.C., baltimore, Atlanta or some other city, with a significant black population and close to zero murder rate. And I'm talking middle class, not even upper middle class.

Do you want to bet me ?

Why are your stats referring to 6 times as many blacks, rather than 20 times as many drug dealing street gang bangers ? (not that it's aswesome that so many inner city blacks find themselves in gang banger turf battles, vendettas, or whatever the fuck they're doing.

If there was some population where there were three pedophiles cought last year, all white, would it be relevant to go on and on about how there are infinitely more white pedophiles in that population than any other race ?

I commend you though on your refreshing lack of political correctness ! Kudos. I know Patrick loves it and agrees wholeheartedly.
98   MrMagic   2018 Mar 19, 7:40pm  

marcus says
Do you want to bet me ?


Yes, go for it.

We'll be waiting.
99   marcus   2018 Mar 19, 7:41pm  

Sniper says
marcus says
Do you want to bet me ?


Yes, go for it.

We'll be waiting.


I need a trustee to hold the money and a good definition of what constitutes a win.
100   MrMagic   2018 Mar 19, 7:43pm  

marcus says
Why are your stats referring to 6 times as many blacks,


From Chicago:



101   anonymous   2018 Mar 19, 7:49pm  

Sniper says
marcus says
Do you want to bet me ?


Yes, go for it.

We'll be waiting.


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102   marcus   2018 Mar 19, 7:50pm  

Are you trying to distract from this ?

marcus says
I call total BS.

I don't want to go through the troulbe unless you are willing to bet. I bet I can find a suburb, of say, D.C., baltimore, Atlanta or some other city, with a significant black population and close to zero murder rate. And I'm talking middle class, not even upper middle class.

Do you want to bet me ?
103   anonymous   2018 Mar 19, 7:56pm  

marcus says
Sniper says
marcus says
Do you want to bet me ?


Yes, go for it.

We'll be waiting.


I need a trustee to hold the money and a good definition of what constitutes a win.


@Patrick I’m telling you there’s a huge market in need of an outlet here. SkininthegamelikearealfuckingAmerican.com
Man up and put your money where your mouth is or piss straight off with your worthless tripe.

You’d need to work on having fair arbiters, though.
104   CBOEtrader   2018 Mar 19, 8:03pm  

marcus says
I don't want to go through the troulbe unless you are willing to bet. I bet I can find a suburb, of say, D.C., baltimore, Atlanta or some other city, with a significant black population and close to zero murder rate. And I'm talking middle class, not even upper middle class.


You are betting that you can find an outlier? Sure, go ahead. I'll bet if you could find an outlier as well. It would be interesting to compare the outlier to black culture at large. This type of exercise will most likely illuminate the problems and perhaps even solutions to those problems. I encourage you to find this outlier.

marcus says
Why are your stats referring to 6 times as many blacks, rather than 20 times as many drug dealing street gang bangers ?


Statistics on racial breakdowns are easy to find and as accurate as statistics across 300 million people can be.

marcus says
If there was some population where there were three pedophiles cought last year, all white, would it be relevant to go on and on about how there are infinitely more white pedophiles in that population than any other race ?


Probably not. 3 people does not make a statistically significant case study. 5000 gun murders per year, however, does.

marcus says
I commend you though on your refreshing lack of political correctness !


You see. THIS is why we cant solve the problems in the black community. PC culture IS STANDING IN THE WAY OF SAVING LIVES. You dont care, you just care about not being called racist.

Some of us have more integrity and courage.
105   marcus   2018 Mar 19, 8:12pm  

Another juxtaposition of the quotes. I think of it as an art form.

CBOEtrader says
Why is it difficult for leftists to make points w/o attacking others?



CBOEtrader says
you wouldnt be able to tell the difference between Nazi's and today's left.



CBOEtrader says
This form of bigotry is so deeply rooted into the psyche of the left that it becomes almost impossible to discuss a political topic w/o letting these direct personal attacks slip.
106   marcus   2018 Mar 19, 8:23pm  

CBOEtrader says
You are betting that you can find an outlier? Sure, go ahead. I'll bet if you could find an outlier as well.


An outlier ? I was talking about an entire population. I believe that I could find many populations with significant black populations and a very low murder rate. I think your proposition is an absurd lie, unless applied to populations that include a dirt poor black population. Even then, if it's in a non urban area it's still probably false.


CBOEtrader says
Probably not. 3 people does not make a statistically significant case study. 5000 gun murders per year, however, does.



Actually 3 compared to zero is statistically significant.

CBOEtrader says
You see. THIS is why we cant solve the problems in the black community. PC culture IS STANDING IN THE WAY OF SAVING LIVES. You dont care, you just care about not being called racist.



Bull-fucking shit !! I don't deny the problem. I also don't define the problem as simplistically as you.

Maybe you can explain to us how making it about race, rather than about job opportunities,education and family values makes your approach so much more efficacious ?
107   MrMagic   2018 Mar 19, 8:36pm  

marcus says
I believe that I could find many populations with significant black populations and a very low murder rate.


Sniper says
Yes, go for it.

We'll be waiting.


and, we're still waiting.....
108   CBOEtrader   2018 Mar 19, 8:40pm  

marcus says
I think your proposition is an absurd lie


This is the brainwashing talking.

Simple statistical truths become so unpalatable that you reject obvious facts.

Ok, do this. Out of 52 states (including Puerto Rico and DC), measure the correlation between murder and % of black population in 42 of them. Then use that to forecast the murder rate of the last 10. You will get VERY close. I know, because I've done it. You are crying foul because you haven't.

Ultimately this type of PC reaction hurts black communities. We must be free to identify an obvious crime problem in the black community if we have any chance to fix the problem.

Or do you feel that our black communities are totes fine because you can find an outlier somewhere?

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