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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Aug 18, 4:59pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Aug 18, 4:59pm
LeonDurham says
Nope, it's never been answered. Everytime I ask it I'm told it was answered or I get a dodge. Another one I like is how the import of millions of unskilled is a good thing when our own unskilled have been doing like shit these past few decades.
Along with "If the Russians hacked the server, how come the DNC hasn't thrust it upon the FBI/NSA for forensic investigation?"
Meanwhile, while every single other metric from unemployment to youth unemployment to GDP growth to retail sales has been doing fantastic over most of the past quarters, the economy sucks because one metric isn't moving well.
See---this is undoubtedly the most frustrating part of posting here. This poster has asked this question multiple times before and it's been answered for him multiple times before.
He lets a month or two go by, and then asks it again, pretending that it hasn't been answered for him multiple times before.
Nope, it's never been answered. Everytime I ask it I'm told it was answered or I get a dodge. Another one I like is how the import of millions of unskilled is a good thing when our own unskilled have been doing like shit these past few decades.
Along with "If the Russians hacked the server, how come the DNC hasn't thrust it upon the FBI/NSA for forensic investigation?"
Meanwhile, while every single other metric from unemployment to youth unemployment to GDP growth to retail sales has been doing fantastic over most of the past quarters, the economy sucks because one metric isn't moving well.
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LeonDurham
2018 Aug 18, 5:02pm
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
bwahahahaha.
You don't remember the Dem platform being cut and pasted on here for you? And linked to it? Really?
Shall I do it for the 4th time?
Nope, it's never been answered.
bwahahahaha.
You don't remember the Dem platform being cut and pasted on here for you? And linked to it? Really?
Shall I do it for the 4th time?
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Aug 18, 5:04pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Aug 18, 5:04pm
LeonDurham says
4th Time? Is it vague and education blah-blah-blah, or does it have a comprehensive, full-spectrum answer? It must have been pretty cookie cutter that I don't remember it.
Just link to one of the other 4.
You don't remember the Dem platform being cut and pasted on here for you? And linked to it? Really?
4th Time? Is it vague and education blah-blah-blah, or does it have a comprehensive, full-spectrum answer? It must have been pretty cookie cutter that I don't remember it.
Just link to one of the other 4.
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LeonDurham
2018 Aug 18, 5:06pm
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
One number? Let's see:
Jobs created down.
Real wages down (and NEGATIVE!)
Federal Deficit up.
Shall I continue?
Meanwhile, we have posters who say the Economy sucks, because one number isn't improving as rapidly this quarter, but every single other metric from unemployment to youth unemployment to GDP growth to retail sales has been doing fantastic
One number? Let's see:
Jobs created down.
Real wages down (and NEGATIVE!)
Federal Deficit up.
Shall I continue?
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Aug 18, 5:11pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Aug 18, 5:11pm
Federal Deficit was increasing under Obama and has been going up for most of the past 35-40 years, that's no change.
Jobs created down is a false metric, since the unemployment rate is at record lows.
Real Wages were also down under Obama in 2013-2014 and certainly most of Obama's term before that, when that should have been a time real wages were booming since it was far from the trough.
Record Unemployment since 1969 (tied for 2000)
Record Youth Unemployment in 52 years
GDP Growth an "Impossible" 4.1% after many quarters of good growth
Retail Sales jumped 6%
Huge new steel and electronics factories opening up
Jobs created down is a false metric, since the unemployment rate is at record lows.
Real Wages were also down under Obama in 2013-2014 and certainly most of Obama's term before that, when that should have been a time real wages were booming since it was far from the trough.
Record Unemployment since 1969 (tied for 2000)
Record Youth Unemployment in 52 years
GDP Growth an "Impossible" 4.1% after many quarters of good growth
Retail Sales jumped 6%
Huge new steel and electronics factories opening up
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LeonDurham
2018 Aug 18, 5:18pm
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Womp, womp. Deficit was reduced by 1/3 under Obama. Try again.
Unemployment rate has simply continued its decline that started under Obama.
GDP is actually slightly lower than under Obama. Obama had two quarters in a row of 5.1% and 4.9%. One quarter of 4.1% is nothing special.
Federal Deficit was increasing under Obama and has been going up for most of the past 35-40 years, that's no change
Womp, womp. Deficit was reduced by 1/3 under Obama. Try again.
Unemployment rate has simply continued its decline that started under Obama.
GDP is actually slightly lower than under Obama. Obama had two quarters in a row of 5.1% and 4.9%. One quarter of 4.1% is nothing special.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Aug 18, 5:23pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Aug 18, 5:23pm
LeonDurham says
Womp, womp.
The national debt almost DOUBLED under Obama from about $10T to $20T.
Nice try playing games with deficits, we were more indebted after Obama than before.
LeonDurham says
Unemployment has really done well under Trump. Obama's recovery was sluggish, it should have been roaring back by 2011.
LeonDurham says
GDP "Growth" coming out of a horrific recession of "Negative Growth" isn't the same as a sustained boom. Like I said, the hallmark of the Obama "recovery" was how slow and weak it was. Even in 2010, Obama lost millions of jobs.
Womp, womp. Deficit was reduced by 1/3 under Obama. Try again.
Womp, womp.
The national debt almost DOUBLED under Obama from about $10T to $20T.
Nice try playing games with deficits, we were more indebted after Obama than before.
LeonDurham says
Unemployment rate has simply continued its decline that started under Obama.
Unemployment has really done well under Trump. Obama's recovery was sluggish, it should have been roaring back by 2011.
LeonDurham says
GDP is actually slightly lower than under Obama. Obama had two quarters in a row of 5.1% and 4.9%. One quarter of 4.1% is nothing special.
GDP "Growth" coming out of a horrific recession of "Negative Growth" isn't the same as a sustained boom. Like I said, the hallmark of the Obama "recovery" was how slow and weak it was. Even in 2010, Obama lost millions of jobs.
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LeonDurham
2018 Aug 18, 5:26pm
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Read the quote again. Deficit and Debt are NOT the same thing.
Obama reduced the deficit. Trump is ballooning it out of control.
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Really? Why don't you post the unemployment rates since 2008 so we can judge.
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Womp, womp, again. Those growth rates were in 2014.
The national debt almost DOUBLED under Obama from about $10T to $20T.
Read the quote again. Deficit and Debt are NOT the same thing.
Obama reduced the deficit. Trump is ballooning it out of control.
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Unemployment has really done well under Trump. Obama's recovery was sluggish, it should have been roaring back by 2011.
Really? Why don't you post the unemployment rates since 2008 so we can judge.
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
GDP "Growth" coming out of a horrific recession of "Negative Growth" isn't the same as a sustained boom. Like I said, the hallmark of the Obama "recovery" was how slow and weak it was. Even in 2010, Obama lost millions of jobs.
Womp, womp, again. Those growth rates were in 2014.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Aug 18, 5:29pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Aug 18, 5:29pm
LeonDurham says
Obama increased the debt, however. It is not "Ballooning" out of control under Trump.
Obama's first budget has a $1.3T deficit. T for Trillion.
It was the Republicans, not Obama, that forced a sequestration in 2013 that ended up the first Obama era budget not topping a Trillion-dollar deficit
Read the quote again. Deficit and Debt are NOT the same thing.
Obama reduced the deficit. Trump is ballooning it out of control.
Obama increased the debt, however. It is not "Ballooning" out of control under Trump.
Obama's first budget has a $1.3T deficit. T for Trillion.
It was the Republicans, not Obama, that forced a sequestration in 2013 that ended up the first Obama era budget not topping a Trillion-dollar deficit
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Aug 18, 5:33pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Aug 18, 5:33pm
LeonDurham says
Long Delayed. Those should have been in 2010 or 2011 at the very latest. More likely to do with the huge Republican surge in 2010 and 2012.
Meanwhile, all the numbers for the Entire Trump Presidency are more than respectable, and there are no signs of slowing down.
In 2012, Obama bragged he created 3M jobs since 2010, and anemic number of 90,000 per month, well below the population growth rate, and not only not adequate for that point after the trough of a recession, but rather recessionary in and of itself.
Womp, womp, again. Those growth rates were in 2014.
Long Delayed. Those should have been in 2010 or 2011 at the very latest. More likely to do with the huge Republican surge in 2010 and 2012.
Meanwhile, all the numbers for the Entire Trump Presidency are more than respectable, and there are no signs of slowing down.
In 2012, Obama bragged he created 3M jobs since 2010, and anemic number of 90,000 per month, well below the population growth rate, and not only not adequate for that point after the trough of a recession, but rather recessionary in and of itself.
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LeonDurham
2018 Aug 18, 5:34pm
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Are you kidding me? Obama inherited the worst economy since the Great Depression. Trump was given a booming economy.
And spare me the nonsense that all Republicans spew--either the President is responsible for the budget or he isn't. You can't blame him for the increased spending without crediting him for reducing spending. Unless you're a dishonest "team Republican" member.
Obama increased the debt, however. It is not "Ballooning" out of control under Trump.
Obama's first budget has a $1.3T deficit. T for Trillion.
It was the Republicans, not Obama, that forced a sequestration in 2013 that ended up the first Obama era budget not topping a Trillion-dollar deficit
Are you kidding me? Obama inherited the worst economy since the Great Depression. Trump was given a booming economy.
And spare me the nonsense that all Republicans spew--either the President is responsible for the budget or he isn't. You can't blame him for the increased spending without crediting him for reducing spending. Unless you're a dishonest "team Republican" member.
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curious2
2018 Aug 18, 5:34pm
curious2
2018 Aug 18, 5:34pm
Aphroman says
And yet, what part of her platform have they changed really? Some few Democrats campaign on Bernie's platform, but most in the Congress demand mandatory HeritageFoundationCare aka Hillary's Plan aka Obamneycare. And, they "can't wait" to get more Muslims into the Congress. Hillary's problems included the fact that she campaigned honestly (in the sense that she said what she would do, even though she lied about why she would do it) on some really unpopular things: for example, she tried to sell the HeritageFoundationCare mandate, claiming it was a good idea, while Obama campaigned against it but then spun around and signed it, lying along the way including at least one "lie of the year" (per PolitiFact). Hillary acknowledged on TV that lethal terrorism "is clearly rooted in Islamic thinking," and her e-mails acknowledged her Saudi clients were principal funders of terrorism worldwide, but she insisted on spreading Islam and now Democrats "can't wait" to see more of it in Congress.
In this thread, we continue to see the same attempted subterfuge. Obama's deficits were front-loaded, so instead of the fact that he doubled the debt, we hear partisans claim that he reduced the deficit. It's unreal, and it doesn't fool enough people in enough places to win.
I agree with the 50/50 forecast from 2Scoops, a lot can happen in 80 days, but so far I see more Democrats repeating the same playbook from 2016 rather than 2008.
solely because the DNC went with Hillary.
And yet, what part of her platform have they changed really? Some few Democrats campaign on Bernie's platform, but most in the Congress demand mandatory HeritageFoundationCare aka Hillary's Plan aka Obamneycare. And, they "can't wait" to get more Muslims into the Congress. Hillary's problems included the fact that she campaigned honestly (in the sense that she said what she would do, even though she lied about why she would do it) on some really unpopular things: for example, she tried to sell the HeritageFoundationCare mandate, claiming it was a good idea, while Obama campaigned against it but then spun around and signed it, lying along the way including at least one "lie of the year" (per PolitiFact). Hillary acknowledged on TV that lethal terrorism "is clearly rooted in Islamic thinking," and her e-mails acknowledged her Saudi clients were principal funders of terrorism worldwide, but she insisted on spreading Islam and now Democrats "can't wait" to see more of it in Congress.
In this thread, we continue to see the same attempted subterfuge. Obama's deficits were front-loaded, so instead of the fact that he doubled the debt, we hear partisans claim that he reduced the deficit. It's unreal, and it doesn't fool enough people in enough places to win.
I agree with the 50/50 forecast from 2Scoops, a lot can happen in 80 days, but so far I see more Democrats repeating the same playbook from 2016 rather than 2008.
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LeonDurham
2018 Aug 18, 5:36pm
curious2 says
lol--they're called honest posters.
Obama's deficits were front-loaded, so instead of the fact that he doubled the debt, we hear partisans claim that he reduced the deficit.
lol--they're called honest posters.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Aug 18, 5:37pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Aug 18, 5:37pm
LeonDurham says
Obama had one of the weakest recoveries in US History, particularly outside of the Coastal Enclaves. By 2012 we still were behind millions of jobs, with pathetic growth rates, despite adding trillions to the Debt. Like I said, one or two quarters of 4 and 5% years after the trough of a recession is NOTHING to brag about, it's something to be concerned about.
Nobody, not even CNN - is making the case that Trump is doing a banging job on the economy.
Real Wages have stunk for most of the past few decades and won't be fixed in a day. It will be fixed by cutting off the nearly unlimited labor supply for big companies.
Are you kidding me? Obama inherited the worst economy since the Great Depression. Trump was given a booming economy.
Obama had one of the weakest recoveries in US History, particularly outside of the Coastal Enclaves. By 2012 we still were behind millions of jobs, with pathetic growth rates, despite adding trillions to the Debt. Like I said, one or two quarters of 4 and 5% years after the trough of a recession is NOTHING to brag about, it's something to be concerned about.
Nobody, not even CNN - is making the case that Trump is doing a banging job on the economy.
Real Wages have stunk for most of the past few decades and won't be fixed in a day. It will be fixed by cutting off the nearly unlimited labor supply for big companies.
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LeonDurham
2018 Aug 18, 5:37pm
curious2 says
See this is a good example of a strawman argument.
but Democrats demand spreading Islam and "can't wait" to see more of it in Congress.
See this is a good example of a strawman argument.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Aug 18, 5:38pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Aug 18, 5:38pm
LeonDurham says
Not at all. my whole life, Democrat Activists have whinged about religion in politics, Jesus/God in the Public Forum, Separation of Church and State etc. etc.
Now that there are two conservative Muslim candidates, the Democrats are dancing around about how wonderful it is to have religious people running for office.
See this is a good example of a strawman argument.
Not at all. my whole life, Democrat Activists have whinged about religion in politics, Jesus/God in the Public Forum, Separation of Church and State etc. etc.
Now that there are two conservative Muslim candidates, the Democrats are dancing around about how wonderful it is to have religious people running for office.
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LeonDurham
2018 Aug 18, 5:39pm
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Uh, pat.netters sure make that case.
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Fix it? All he's done has made it worse.
Nobody, not even CNN - is making the case that Trump is doing a banging job on the economy.
Uh, pat.netters sure make that case.
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Real Wages have stunk for most of the past few decades and won't be fixed in a day. It will be fixed by cutting off the nearly unlimited labor supply for big companies.
Fix it? All he's done has made it worse.
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LeonDurham
2018 Aug 18, 5:39pm
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
OK--please share any example of a Dem demanding that Islam be spread.
Not at all. my whole life, Democrat Activists have whinged about religion in politics, Jesus/God in the Public Forum, Separation of Church and State etc. etc.
Now that there are two conservative Muslim candidates, the Democrats are dancing around about how wonderful it is to have religious people running for office.
OK--please share any example of a Dem demanding that Islam be spread.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Aug 18, 5:40pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Aug 18, 5:40pm
LeonDurham says
Look at your own chart and explain 2013 and 2014, those boom years of Obama. Way after the trough of a recession, when wages should be booming.
Fix it? All he's done has made it worse.
Look at your own chart and explain 2013 and 2014, those boom years of Obama. Way after the trough of a recession, when wages should be booming.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Aug 18, 5:40pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Aug 18, 5:40pm
LeonDurham says
Not what I said. I said that before, they "worried" about religion in politics. Now, they are celebrating that conservative Muslims are running for office as Dems.
Even if they married for visas.
OK--please share any example of a Dem demanding that Islam be spread.
Not what I said. I said that before, they "worried" about religion in politics. Now, they are celebrating that conservative Muslims are running for office as Dems.
Even if they married for visas.
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LeonDurham
2018 Aug 18, 5:41pm
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Why? You're the one saying the economy sucked under Obama and it's much better now. Please show me how real wages going down and negative is better?
Look at your own chart and explain 2013 and 2014, those boom years of Obama. Way after the trough of a recession, when wages should be booming.
Why? You're the one saying the economy sucked under Obama and it's much better now. Please show me how real wages going down and negative is better?
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LeonDurham
2018 Aug 18, 5:42pm
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Yes it is. I claimed the quote was a strawman and you said, "not at all".
So please show me how it's not a strawman.
Not what I said. I said that before, they "worried" about religion in politics. Now, they are celebrating that conservative Muslims are running for office as Dems.
Even if they married for visas.
Yes it is. I claimed the quote was a strawman and you said, "not at all".
So please show me how it's not a strawman.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Aug 18, 5:45pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Aug 18, 5:45pm
Too Much Religion! Stop asking candidates about their (Christian) Religion! Too much influence by (Christian) religion!
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/03/21/more-americans-say-too-much-religion-in-politics/
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/359571-dem-lawmaker-theres-too-much-religion-in-politics
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6906693.stm
http://prospect.org/article/god-republican-why-politics-dangerous-religion-0
But when it's Islam, it's GOOD!
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/first-muslim-elected-to-congress/
https://newrepublic.com/minutes/136605/nomination-muslim-federal-judge-obama-cements-reputation-president-firsts
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/14/us/politics/primary-results-minnesota-wisconsin.html
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/2018-elections/2018/06/23/america-grew-muslim-democrats-find-welcoming-home-state-convention
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/03/21/more-americans-say-too-much-religion-in-politics/
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/359571-dem-lawmaker-theres-too-much-religion-in-politics
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6906693.stm
http://prospect.org/article/god-republican-why-politics-dangerous-religion-0
But when it's Islam, it's GOOD!
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/first-muslim-elected-to-congress/
https://newrepublic.com/minutes/136605/nomination-muslim-federal-judge-obama-cements-reputation-president-firsts
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/14/us/politics/primary-results-minnesota-wisconsin.html
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/2018-elections/2018/06/23/america-grew-muslim-democrats-find-welcoming-home-state-convention
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LeonDurham
2018 Aug 18, 5:47pm
Do you think that is the same as saying "Dems demanding Islam be spread"?
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curious2
2018 Aug 18, 5:51pm
curious2
2018 Aug 18, 5:51pm
LeonDurham says
1) It was a direct quote, which I have since turned into a link.
2) You can find more examples of the same elsewhere, e.g.
"Tlaib also supported Omar's run, sending a dozen of her campaign workers to Minnesota to canvas for Omar the weekend before the election.
"I can't wait to walk onto the floor of United States Congress hand in hand with you. So incredibly proud of you," Tlaib said of Omar on Twitter.
***
Omar and Tlaib have vehemently opposed the president's ban on travelers from several Muslim-majority countries, and in 2016 Tlaib famously heckled Trump during his speech in Detroit.
"When you see a Palestinian person with your name and faith succeed, it shows [the government] can ban us from coming into the country, but not from getting elected," Tlaib told ABC News last week.
***
In her heavily Democratic district, less than 5 percent of the population identifies as Arab-American.
***
"I will fight back against every racist and oppressive structure that needs to be dismantled," Tlaib declared in her victory speech in a room largely filled with Arab-Americans."
OK, good luck with that, congratulations on the primary, but it doesn't portend a blue wave. BTW, I bolded the "can't wait" quotation for you; you can thank me later.
So please show me how it's not a strawman.
1) It was a direct quote, which I have since turned into a link.
2) You can find more examples of the same elsewhere, e.g.
"Tlaib also supported Omar's run, sending a dozen of her campaign workers to Minnesota to canvas for Omar the weekend before the election.
"I can't wait to walk onto the floor of United States Congress hand in hand with you. So incredibly proud of you," Tlaib said of Omar on Twitter.
***
Omar and Tlaib have vehemently opposed the president's ban on travelers from several Muslim-majority countries, and in 2016 Tlaib famously heckled Trump during his speech in Detroit.
"When you see a Palestinian person with your name and faith succeed, it shows [the government] can ban us from coming into the country, but not from getting elected," Tlaib told ABC News last week.
***
In her heavily Democratic district, less than 5 percent of the population identifies as Arab-American.
***
"I will fight back against every racist and oppressive structure that needs to be dismantled," Tlaib declared in her victory speech in a room largely filled with Arab-Americans."
OK, good luck with that, congratulations on the primary, but it doesn't portend a blue wave. BTW, I bolded the "can't wait" quotation for you; you can thank me later.
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LeonDurham
2018 Aug 18, 5:56pm
I'm looking for something saying "Dems demanding Islam be spread"
Nothing in the above says anything remotely like that.
Nothing in the above says anything remotely like that.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Aug 18, 5:56pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Aug 18, 5:56pm
LeonDurham says
I see it as a double standard: Christian Belief undesirable; Muslim Belief desirable.
Labour is doing the same in the UK by the way.
I see the new PM of Pakistan lost his opportunity to condemn Theofascist Blasphemy laws, however.
Do you think that is the same as saying "Dems demanding Islam be spread"?
I see it as a double standard: Christian Belief undesirable; Muslim Belief desirable.
Labour is doing the same in the UK by the way.
I see the new PM of Pakistan lost his opportunity to condemn Theofascist Blasphemy laws, however.
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curious2
2018 Aug 18, 5:56pm
curious2
2018 Aug 18, 5:56pm
LeonDurham says
Hillary campaigned on importing (at American expense) at least 65k "Syrian" migrants in her first year, more to follow, 97% Sunni because the Syrian Christians and Shia were sheltering with Assad in order to avoid getting exterminated by the Sunni militias that Hillary was arming (also at American expense). Merkel imported 10x more Sunnis into other NATO countries. PatNet has a whole thread on Islamic Hijrah (totally different from the Hindu word hijra), including a map showing the "charity" IRAP serving Muslim-majority client countries by spreading Islam into NATO. Current Democrats campaign against the President's travel ban and demand to import more "refugee" Sunnis. So yes, Democrats were and are campaigning on spreading Islam.
Do you think that is the same as saying "Dems demanding Islam be spread"?
Hillary campaigned on importing (at American expense) at least 65k "Syrian" migrants in her first year, more to follow, 97% Sunni because the Syrian Christians and Shia were sheltering with Assad in order to avoid getting exterminated by the Sunni militias that Hillary was arming (also at American expense). Merkel imported 10x more Sunnis into other NATO countries. PatNet has a whole thread on Islamic Hijrah (totally different from the Hindu word hijra), including a map showing the "charity" IRAP serving Muslim-majority client countries by spreading Islam into NATO. Current Democrats campaign against the President's travel ban and demand to import more "refugee" Sunnis. So yes, Democrats were and are campaigning on spreading Islam.
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LeonDurham
2018 Aug 18, 5:59pm
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Only because you misinterpret it. Muslims are often discriminated against because of their religion. Dems are party of Bill of Rights and they believe in freedom of religion, so they applaud the underdog being elected.
I see it as a double standard: Christian Belief undesirable; Muslim Belief desirable.
Only because you misinterpret it. Muslims are often discriminated against because of their religion. Dems are party of Bill of Rights and they believe in freedom of religion, so they applaud the underdog being elected.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Aug 18, 6:00pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Aug 18, 6:00pm
Speaking of replacing Americans at work, I notice that Obama had settled lots of Sunni "Refugees" in Twin Falls, Idaho. His big donor Chobani has a big Yogurt plant there.
Should help keep wages low for Obama's friends.
Should help keep wages low for Obama's friends.
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curious2
2018 Aug 18, 6:01pm
curious2
2018 Aug 18, 6:01pm
LeonDurham says
No, you're not looking. If you were looking, you would easily find examples. It's like in the Abhulimen thread, where you didn't even look at the linked video that showed a blank white key card, and instead you insisted based on your own alleged experience that key cards are not blank. Instead of looking at facts, you are trolling, demanding that other people do the looking for you, as if we were your retrievers. I have other things to do today, so I am done playing your silly little game. People will vote in November, and if your antics are the best that Democrats can do, I don't see a blue wave coming.
I'm looking for something....
No, you're not looking. If you were looking, you would easily find examples. It's like in the Abhulimen thread, where you didn't even look at the linked video that showed a blank white key card, and instead you insisted based on your own alleged experience that key cards are not blank. Instead of looking at facts, you are trolling, demanding that other people do the looking for you, as if we were your retrievers. I have other things to do today, so I am done playing your silly little game. People will vote in November, and if your antics are the best that Democrats can do, I don't see a blue wave coming.
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LeonDurham
2018 Aug 18, 6:04pm
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Do you really want to get into a discussion of scandals? Because the Trump Administration is the most fraudulent, self serving, bunch of money grabbers that the White House has ever seen.
Speaking of replacing Americans at work, I notice that Obama had settled lots of Sunni "Refugees" in Twin Falls, Idaho. His big donor Chobani has a big Yogurt plant there.
Should help keep wages low for Obama's friends.
Do you really want to get into a discussion of scandals? Because the Trump Administration is the most fraudulent, self serving, bunch of money grabbers that the White House has ever seen.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Aug 18, 6:18pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Aug 18, 6:18pm
Nope, best President ever. Not "managing a decline" like Obama or making the world safe for Globalists like Clinton-Bush.
Love how being tough on trade ended up with big concessions from Europe. Another thing the ever-wrong pundits were wrong about.
Just wait until the FISA scandal is finalized. Strzok is involved in everything from the shitty Iran Deal to entrapping Flynn to rigging the Election.
Love how being tough on trade ended up with big concessions from Europe. Another thing the ever-wrong pundits were wrong about.
Just wait until the FISA scandal is finalized. Strzok is involved in everything from the shitty Iran Deal to entrapping Flynn to rigging the Election.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Aug 18, 6:43pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Aug 18, 6:43pm
Tim Aurora says
Trump is about as far from impeachment as you can imagine. Mueller's millions and months upon months have turned up bupkiss "collusion".
You Russian can keep om telling that. Traitor Trump is very near to impeachment
Trump is about as far from impeachment as you can imagine. Mueller's millions and months upon months have turned up bupkiss "collusion".
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Shaman
2018 Aug 18, 6:44pm
Shaman
2018 Aug 18, 6:44pm
LeonDurham says
Let me correct that for you. Democrats are the party of cultural Marxism, which preaches that equality of OUTCOME is the greatest virtue, and anytime there is inequality then a crime has been committed by the strong against the weak.
With me so far?
Now whichever groups are historically the weakest or least successful are then deemed to be on the receiving side of racism, sexism and bigotry which MUST be the reason for their failure as a culture! Islam fits nicely into the “failure” paradigm, so by Leftist thinking: Muslims must be oppressed! Therefore any success of theirs is to be celebrated and any criticism of Islam or Muslim behavior is RACIST and just more of the strong oppressing the weak!
Still with me?
Dems are party of Bill of Rights and they believe in freedom of religion, so they applaud the underdog being elected.
Let me correct that for you. Democrats are the party of cultural Marxism, which preaches that equality of OUTCOME is the greatest virtue, and anytime there is inequality then a crime has been committed by the strong against the weak.
With me so far?
Now whichever groups are historically the weakest or least successful are then deemed to be on the receiving side of racism, sexism and bigotry which MUST be the reason for their failure as a culture! Islam fits nicely into the “failure” paradigm, so by Leftist thinking: Muslims must be oppressed! Therefore any success of theirs is to be celebrated and any criticism of Islam or Muslim behavior is RACIST and just more of the strong oppressing the weak!
Still with me?
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LeonDurham
2018 Aug 18, 6:44pm
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Tariffs are the one thing Trump got right, although the implementation left (and continues to leave) a lot to be desired. Liberals have been calling for them for a long time. It's Republicans and their "thinktanks" (Heritage, COC, et. al)that have fought against them for decades.
But, please detail these "big concessions" from Europe. What products? How much? When was the deal signed?
Love how being tough on trade ended up with big concessions from Europe. Another thing the ever-wrong pundits were wrong about.
Tariffs are the one thing Trump got right, although the implementation left (and continues to leave) a lot to be desired. Liberals have been calling for them for a long time. It's Republicans and their "thinktanks" (Heritage, COC, et. al)that have fought against them for decades.
But, please detail these "big concessions" from Europe. What products? How much? When was the deal signed?
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LeonDurham
2018 Aug 18, 6:45pm
Quigley says
No, because that's BS. Dems want equal opportunities, not equal outcomes.
Let me correct that for you. Democrats are the party of cultural Marxism, which preaches that equality of OUTCOME is the greatest virtue, and anytime there is inequality then a crime has been committed by the strong against the weak.
With me so far?
No, because that's BS. Dems want equal opportunities, not equal outcomes.
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LeonDurham
2018 Aug 18, 6:46pm
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
And you know this how exactly? Does Mueller confide in you? Or are you on the investigative team?
Mueller's millions and months upon months have turned up bupkiss "collusion".
And you know this how exactly? Does Mueller confide in you? Or are you on the investigative team?
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Shaman
2018 Aug 18, 6:49pm
Shaman
2018 Aug 18, 6:49pm
LeonDurham says
Uh, have you paid ANY attention to the news these past ten years? Socialism and equality of outcome are all the rage in Leftist circles. Racism is always to blame if outcomes are different. In fact, if I cared to dig up a few dozen of your OWN posts delineating this....
The Democrats are very against the bill of Rights and the first Ammendment in particular. We’ve seen unbridled censorship, restrictions against speech, assembly, and religious expression if the speech, assembly, or religion is NOT Leftist approved!
Your statement is exactly wrong. Perfectly diametrical from reality. It’s so false that it’s not even pants on fire, it’s GALACTICALLY WRONG!
No, because that's BS. Dems want equal opportunities, not equal outcomes.
Uh, have you paid ANY attention to the news these past ten years? Socialism and equality of outcome are all the rage in Leftist circles. Racism is always to blame if outcomes are different. In fact, if I cared to dig up a few dozen of your OWN posts delineating this....
The Democrats are very against the bill of Rights and the first Ammendment in particular. We’ve seen unbridled censorship, restrictions against speech, assembly, and religious expression if the speech, assembly, or religion is NOT Leftist approved!
Your statement is exactly wrong. Perfectly diametrical from reality. It’s so false that it’s not even pants on fire, it’s GALACTICALLY WRONG!
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curious2
2018 Aug 18, 6:50pm
curious2
2018 Aug 18, 6:50pm
Tim Aurora says
Please define "very near."
BTW, IRL, a friend expected him to be removed more than a year ago. It's like when people say the world will end in 2012 or whatever. It helps to get a specific date, because otherwise they keep saying "near...."
Trump is very near to impeachment
Please define "very near."
BTW, IRL, a friend expected him to be removed more than a year ago. It's like when people say the world will end in 2012 or whatever. It helps to get a specific date, because otherwise they keep saying "near...."
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Yesterday former Bill Clinton advisor Dick Morris told radio host on New York's AM 970 that he believes the "blue wave" that Democrats are expecting to give them back the Senate and House will not materialize, and polling has backed him up.
Last week, CNN's mid term poll showed that Democrats only had a 3 point advantage, well within the margin of error, and considering that CNN is known for "oversampling" Democrats in its own polls, this is troubling for the DNC.
Additionally, a recent poll from Reuters (left leaning) has shown that Millennials are leaving the Democrat party in droves. Democrat membership in the 18-34 demographic (the bread and butter of the DNC) dropped 9% over the past 2 years, most of them becoming "independents".
"I think that [Democrats] see fool’s gold in these scandals," Morris said. "They’re putting everything behind the Stormy Daniels scandal and Michael Cohen … and the country doesn’t give a damn."
That's when Morris dropped his prediction.
"There is no blue wave coming," Morris exclaimed. "There is a red wave. And what makes it red is the blood of the Democratic Party."
Here's my official take. I believe the GOP will LOSE seats in the house but will not give it up to the DNC. I believe the GOP will GAIN seats in the senate, keeping their majority. This will mean that Trump will have both houses of congress for his entire term.