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Calling it Now: Best-President-to-Date

By steverbeaver follow steverbeaver   2018 Jul 1, 12:01am 11,363 views   77 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    


It has truly been an unexpected surprise to watch the Trump admin perform thus far. In totality, I am fairly confident to call it now: we are witnessing a very rare event of effective and beneficial leadership, one that we may not witness again in our lifetime. That is all I wanted to post. Good luck to each of you in making the best of these good times.

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38   NoCoupForYou   ignore (2)   2018 Jul 8, 5:26pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

TrumpingTits says
No...or rather, this incarnation of NAFTA will go bye-bye. It is a congressional-executive agreement, so it will take Congress to pass legislation in both houses to rescind it and you know that they won't. But, they will be happy to replace it with a new NAFTA. So, we will get a NAFTA 2. And I'd be careful about wishing for a new King, if I were you. You might just get one. :)


If it's a treaty, while the President can make treaties that the Senate has to ratify, the Constitution does not explicitly require Senate approval to abrogate Treaties. The Precedence is somewhat mixed but in favor of Presidential Abrogation.
39   NoCoupForYou   ignore (2)   2018 Jul 8, 5:28pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

steverbeaver says
Tell me... are you still forced to buy health insurance or pay a "fine"?


Ah, Another great Trump accomplishment Big Insurance got their mandatory insurance/subsidy scheme nixed.

I'm sure a missed a few other Big Achievements.
40   TrumpingTits   ignore (4)   2018 Jul 8, 6:19pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

TwoScoopsOfWompWomp says
If it's a treaty, while the President can make treaties that the Senate has to ratify, the Constitution does not explicitly require Senate approval to abrogate Treaties. The Precedence is somewhat mixed but in favor of Presidential Abrogation.


Nope. It is a congressional-executive agreement. Almost all modern 'treaties' are such and all trade treaties are.

But trade agreements are different. Like all modern trade pacts, NAFTA is a congressional-executive agreement created by statute, not treaty. Trump cannot terminate it — or even renegotiate it — without the approval of Congress.

The Constitution grants to the president the power to make treaties, subject to approval by two-thirds of the Senate. Our nation's most significant obligations take this form, such as the North Atlantic Treaty that created NATO and the San Francisco Treaty that ended World War II in the Pacific. Presidents also have made some limited international compacts all on their own, though the Constitution doesn't acknowledge this power. President Obama concluded the Paris climate accords and the Iran nuclear deal without the approval of the Senate or House of Representatives. Because Congress never cemented these deals into law, Trump can reverse them with the stroke of a pen on Day One.

But trade deals are different, because under the Constitution's Commerce Clause, only Congress may alter our tariff, tax and customs laws. Congress first authorizes the president to reach a trade agreement with certain countries within limited parameters. Once the deal is struck, the president sends it to Congress for enactment into U.S. domestic law. No trade agreement goes into force until Congress passes the statutes that carry out the trade deal's obligations. -- http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-yoo-ku-trump-nafta-20161129-story.html


So it is legislation. And like all forms of legislation, only Congress can change it, repeal it or the courts can declare it unconstitutional. Now Trump could simply refuse to follow/enforce the law much like Obama's Regime did. But that could be challenged in court.
41   TrumpingTits   ignore (4)   2018 Jul 8, 6:25pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

steverbeaver says
Tell me... are you still forced to buy health insurance or pay a "fine"?

No. As of this year we are not required to pay the fine.

Note: MILLIONS of people opted to pay the fine instead of buy the insurance. Or I should say: MILLIONS more paid the fine than bought the crappy insurance. It was only a good deal for welfare bums, basically.
42   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Jul 8, 7:13pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

TwoScoopsOfWompWomp says
I'm sure a missed a few other Big Achievements.


Yes you did, a BIG one... your 401K balance:

43   NoCoupForYou   ignore (2)   2018 Jul 8, 7:28pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

TrumpingTits says
So it is legislation. And like all forms of legislation, only Congress can change it, repeal it or the courts can declare it unconstitutional. Now Trump could simply refuse to follow/enforce the law much like Obama's Regime did. But that could be challenged in court.


Except, NAFTA has a clause in it.

Article 2205: Withdrawal

A Party may withdraw from this Agreement six months after it provides written notice of withdrawal to the other Parties. If a Party withdraws, the Agreement shall remain in force for the remaining Parties.

http://www.sice.oas.org/trade/nafta/chap-22.asp

Many experts believe Trump can withdraw, although Congress could reimpose it - which would be a hugely unpopular move among the Republican Base.


Todd Tucker, fellow, the Roosevelt Institute
Congress can’t block Trump from withdrawing, but he will have other problems to deal with if he does so.

The executive branch has exclusive authority over foreign relations. Presidents from William McKinley to Franklin Roosevelt to Jimmy Carter terminated international agreements without explicit congressional authorization — including some that dealt with trade.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/26/16505508/nafta-congress-block-trump-withdraw-trade-power

So excited. Right now, China and Europe are using Mexico and Canada as backdoors to get Euro/Chinese goods tariff free into the USA, providing Canadian and Mexican jobs while depriving Americans of those jobs they would have gotten if NAFTA didn't exist, while depriving America of Tariff Revenue. A Lose-Lose deal.

Canada has a mere 36M people. It needs NAFTA far, far, far more than we do.
44   bob2356   ignore (4)   2018 Jul 8, 8:11pm     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag      

MrMagic says
Yes you did, a BIG one... your 401K balance:


The dow went up 250% under obama. Does that make obama the best president to date instead?
45   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Jul 8, 8:48pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

bob2356 says
MrMagic says
Yes you did, a BIG one... your 401K balance:


The dow went up 250% under obama. Does that make obama the best president to date instead?


Ahhhh, math with Bernie supporters...

The answer is NO, the DOW was at 14K and dropped to 7K, and took 5 years to get back to just break even of 14K under Obama, before finishing at 18K when Trump came in.

Even if you started at the 7K number, 18K isn't 250%..

Where do Bernie supporters learn Math?
46   Shaman   ignore (2)   2018 Jul 8, 8:51pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Oddly, the Dow dropped sharply after Obama’s election, then began to rise again after he was sworn in. With Trump, the rising began as soon as he was elected and didn’t reverse much for a solid year.
47   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Jul 8, 9:11pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

bob2356 says
MrMagic says
Yes you did, a BIG one... your 401K balance:


The dow went up 250% under obama. Does that make obama the best president to date instead?
The market went up under Obama during QE Infinity. Wow.
48   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Jul 8, 9:31pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

PrivilegedtobeWhite says
bob2356 says
MrMagic says
Yes you did, a BIG one... your 401K balance:


The dow went up 250% under obama. Does that make obama the best president to date instead?
The market went up under Obama during QE Infinity. Wow.


Exactly.

Amazing what happens to the market when you juice it with over $4 TRILLION of printed money, then what happens to it when the printing press is shut off.

Since Bob likes doubling of the market under Obama, he must like doubling of the debt under Obama too, right?

Those pesky facts.
49   TrumpingTits   ignore (4)   2018 Jul 8, 11:52pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

MrMagic says
he must like doubling of the debt under Obama too, right?


...especially since that debt doubling happened 'by magic' as the Libs contend that Obama didn't have budget deficits compared to Trump!
50   TrumpingTits   ignore (4)   2018 Jul 9, 12:01am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

TwoScoopsOfWompWomp says
A Party may withdraw from this Agreement six months after it provides written notice of withdrawal to the other Parties. If a Party withdraws, the Agreement shall remain in force for the remaining Parties.


Yes. In the US, that is as Congress decides, not the President (except to sign whatever legislation Congress puts on his desk to do said withdrawal)

TwoScoopsOfWompWomp says
The executive branch has exclusive authority over foreign relations


Except those involving trade. Under the Constitution’s Commerce Clause, only Congress may alter our tariff, tax and customs laws. Congressional-Executive Agreements are DOMESTIC legislation.

TwoScoopsOfWompWomp says
Presidents from William McKinley to Franklin Roosevelt to Jimmy Carter terminated international agreements without explicit congressional authorization — including some that dealt with trade.

Yeah. TREATIES. Not Congressional-Executive Agreements. Those are just like domestic laws that stay on the books until Congress says otherwise.

Again, Trump can order federal agencies to defy the domestic legislation set under NAFTA. But it just takes one impacted party with standing to get injunctive relief in court to tear that down.

Carter go away with abrogating treaties because the courts didn't recognize those who challenged it to have standing, not because they ruled in his favor. The cases never got that far.

You're not going to 'win' this one no matter how badly you wish reality was different. You can chalk it up to a middling detail, yes. But it is an important one. :)
51   Shaman   ignore (2)   2018 Jul 9, 8:33am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Trump can’t repeal a Congressionally passed law. The Constitution says only Congress may do that. So there’s that.
54   Onvacation   ignore (6)   2018 Jul 9, 8:03pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

skridlov says
Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, Teddy R,. FDR

Slave owners and racists.
55   NoCoupForYou   ignore (2)   2018 Jul 9, 8:09pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

TrumpingTits says
Yeah. TREATIES. Not Congressional-Executive Agreements. Those are just like domestic laws that stay on the books until Congress says otherwise.


Nope. The President has foreign policy power, and only the Senate (not the House) can approve foreign agreements as a check on the near absolute power of the Presidency in this area.

SCOTUS has already stood aside while similar agreements were nixed by Presidents, including McKinley and Carter. SCOTUS has historically been extremely shy of restricting the Foreign Policy powers of the President.

So the Congress may have passed enabling legislation for NAFTA, but the President can abrogate participation in it.

The Constitution is strangely specific by explicitly mentioning treaties have to be approved by the Senate, but says nothing of their abrogation. Historically, Presidents have unilaterally done so, and such actions took effect immediately, even if the Senate huffed and puffed before "approving" it (not that their approval is needed).
56   NoCoupForYou   ignore (2)   2018 Jul 9, 8:10pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

TrumpingTits says
Yeah. TREATIES. Not Congressional-Executive Agreements. Those are just like domestic laws that stay on the books until Congress says otherwise.


If one President makes an agreement with Congress , another President may nix. Just like every other Executive Agreement.

If Somehow Obama made the Iran Deal some kind of Congressional-Executive agreement, Trump could have withdrawn from it.

Almost every expert, even Globalists from the Roosevelt Institute, agree that Trump can pull out of NAFTA. Neither the Senate, and certainly not the House, has the authority to impose an international agreement without the President.


This could be the SCOTUS issue of Trump's Presidency, but I'm very confident that SCOTUS will not take away the President's historically interpreted as near-total foreign policy powers. By historically, I mean since the birth of the Republic.
57   ThreeBays   ignore (3)   2018 Jul 10, 1:08am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

It's party time, since Republicans switched from bitching about the deficit to pretending it doesn't even exist.
58   BayArea   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 10, 6:32am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

bob2356 says
MrMagic says
Yes you did, a BIG one... your 401K balance:


The dow went up 250% under obama. Does that make obama the best president to date instead?


You should be ashamed of yourself for that one.
59   Brd6   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 10, 6:41am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Aphroman says
How many people paid the fine each year for not having insurance


About 4.5% of taxpayers, which is quite a lot

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/11/28/us/politics/obamacare-individual-mandate-penalty-maps.html
60   Brd6   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 10, 6:47am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

ThreeBays says
It's party time, since Republicans switched from bitching about the deficit to pretending it doesn't even exist.

The new talking point is "we can never pay it back", forgetting that in some way it WILL be paid back (inflation). Or that most of it is owed to entities in US of A. Also, giving money to defense contractors is OK, but paying anyone else is a crime.
61   Shaman   ignore (2)   2018 Jul 10, 7:32am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Aphroman says
That’s less than the increase in gas prices that afe crushing low income Americans, under Trump


And somehow the President controls worldwide gas prices? Interesting how your mind works.
62   Brd6   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 10, 7:33am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Aphroman says
That’s less than the increase in gas prices

High gas prices are extremely good - I wish gas was $5-8/gal. This allows development of alternative energy sources (less global warming and/or dependence on Gulf terroristocracies) and really helps state where I live. Also, as we all are adults here (hopefully), we know that Obamacare was a giveaway to insurance companies.
63   steverbeaver   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 10, 7:36am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I have a friend who was "taxed" ~$1400 for not buying the sham that is Obamacare.
64   Onvacation   ignore (6)   2018 Jul 10, 8:17am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Aphroman says
Locking Her up?

Hard to do after half the country voted for her. History will reveal the Clintons' and Bushes' crimes.
65   Goran_K   ignore (3)   2018 Jul 10, 9:07am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Bob, knock it off with the "are you a native english speaker" crap.

Your personal insults and racism are not the topic here.
66   socal2   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 10, 9:28am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

drB6 says
High gas prices are extremely good - I wish gas was $5-8/gal. This allows development of alternative energy sources (less global warming and/or dependence on Gulf terroristocracies) and really helps state where I live.


It's also very bad for the poor - who often have to drive the farthest commute each day for their jobs since they can't afford to live near the coast in California.

Gas taxes are the most regressive taxes out there.
67   Brd6   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 10, 9:32am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

socal2 says
It's also very bad for the poor - who often have to drive the farthest commute each day for their jobs since they can't afford to live near the coast in California.

Gas taxes are the most regressive taxes out there.

Good for TX - low taxes and many jobs created.
68   Shaman   ignore (2)   2018 Jul 10, 10:07am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Aphroman says

Are you saying that the President has no effect on gas prices?


Remember $5 gas? I do. It was under Obama’s reign of terror. $3.50 seems like a bargain still to me!
69   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 10, 4:15pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

drB6 says
as we all are adults here (hopefully), we know that Obamacare was a giveaway to insurance companies.


Yes, that was my problem with the mandate. It's wrong to force people to pay a small set of private companies whatever they say you have to pay or face fines.

It was a tax which we were obligated to pay to certain favored companies.
70   Shaman   ignore (2)   2018 Jul 10, 8:31pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Patrick says
Yes, that was my problem with the mandate. It's wrong to force people to pay a small set of private companies whatever they say you have to pay or face fines.


Since the people who didn’t have insurance were the ones who had to buy it, they often couldn’t afford to budget 12% of their income for that one thing. And so, effectively it became a tax on the uninsured.
That’s how it affected my parents anyway, before they went on Medicare.
71   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Jul 11, 8:50am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

It's all about trapping people and forcing them to pay.

You can make a great product, but that takes work. If you're well connected, it's much easier to just use the government to take the money.
72   RC2006   ignore (2)   2018 Jul 13, 8:24am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Trump just doesn't give a shit.

CNN wimper "But we are real news too ......"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=dO1f9EZ-0uw
73   NoCoupForYou   ignore (2)   2018 Jul 13, 11:27am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Tim Aurora says
You do know that Emergency care in US is mandatory ( if not entirely free) , which means that uninsured normally ended up in Emergency costing the Govt



But the uninsured didn't have $1000 / month for a $5000 deductible shitty ass plan, either.
75   TrumpingTits   ignore (4)   2018 Jul 14, 1:08pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Eye Exam for NeverTrumpers and Libtards:
77   Shaman   ignore (2)   2018 Jul 18, 10:56am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Tim Aurora says

You do know that Emergency care in US is mandatory ( if not entirely free)


It’s only free if you’re an illegal immigrant. Otherwise they come after you with the bill. This is known. Stop trying to obfuscate the issue.

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