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Calling it Now: Best-President-to-Date


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2018 Jul 1, 12:01am   17,854 views  69 comments

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It has truly been an unexpected surprise to watch the Trump admin perform thus far. In totality, I am fairly confident to call it now: we are witnessing a very rare event of effective and beneficial leadership, one that we may not witness again in our lifetime. That is all I wanted to post. Good luck to each of you in making the best of these good times.

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30   komputodo   2018 Jul 7, 9:07pm  

Tim Aurora says
No he isn't but he is "for" Russia


I don't consider myself "FOR" Russia but on that same note, I have no desire to see it crash and burn. I believe several countries can co-exist and even do business to mutual advantage. I'm always amazed by the mindset of people who get their info from 20 second soundbites who believe the solution to all disagreements is "just nuke them".
31   bob2356   2018 Jul 8, 6:35am  

40 posts and no one has said why Trump is the greatest. So far:, cancelled tpp which wasn't going to pas anyway. big tax cut for .1%, said let's do lunch later to NK, didn't fuck up the continued growth of he economy. Other than TPP you could say exactly the same for reagan and bush first term. Where is all this greatness?
32   steverbeaver   2018 Jul 8, 9:06am  

I am basing this on performance behavior

Situation
Task
Actions
Results

Almost everything has been exceptional when viewed this way from my point of view, from announcement to current day. Maybe there's something out there that does a nice summary comparison among all presidents as well.
33   bob2356   2018 Jul 8, 12:04pm  

steverbeaver says
I am basing this on performance behavior

Situation
Task
Actions
Results

Almost everything has been exceptional when viewed this way from my point of view


Almost everything as in what?
34   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Jul 8, 12:10pm  

Let's see, one, now two pro-2A judges, got the voluntary denuclearization of North Korea (a point you forgot, and not having to give billions on cash pallets to get it), fixing the unfair trade system, getting out of the horrible Iran Deal, record low unemployment, pushing a permanent solution to immigration, strong economy, ban of immigration from Shithole Civil War countries, standing up to Chinese Steel Dumping with the EU trying to pass the buck to us, demanding more Euro contributions for NATO, selling a shitload of weapons to Saudi Arabia, and standing up for American Workers against Harley Davidson, instead of giving the "Natural Forces" lie bullshit.

Oh, and top-notch, non-Brownie reactions to Texas and Puerto Rican hurricanes, the latter in the face of gross corruption and incompetence by Socialist Mayors.

Next: NAFTA goes bye-bye. Canada and Mexico need NAFTA a whole helluva lot more than the American Worker.

And we're not even halfway into his first term.
35   steverbeaver   2018 Jul 8, 3:56pm  

Tell me... are you still forced to buy health insurance or pay a "fine"?
36   steverbeaver   2018 Jul 8, 4:06pm  

Latest example: precisely zero fucks given when dealing with Chinese bullshit on trade. Situation is all recent previous presidents did jack shit to keep things fair. Task is to make America Great Again. Actions involve stern warnings followed up by actual soft actions in the form of new tariffs. Result is stock market knows what's-what and cares fuck-all about repercussions because they know we will win on this handily. It was a difficult choice to make and had lots of opposition. Does a good leader ultimately rely on "consensus"? How many detractors to his actions were benefitting from status-quo?

If you come at me arguing about how China was fair to US or its other trade partners, there is ample proof to the contrary and I have personally observed it.
37   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Jul 8, 5:26pm  

TrumpingTits says
No...or rather, this incarnation of NAFTA will go bye-bye. It is a congressional-executive agreement, so it will take Congress to pass legislation in both houses to rescind it and you know that they won't. But, they will be happy to replace it with a new NAFTA. So, we will get a NAFTA 2. And I'd be careful about wishing for a new King, if I were you. You might just get one. :)


If it's a treaty, while the President can make treaties that the Senate has to ratify, the Constitution does not explicitly require Senate approval to abrogate Treaties. The Precedence is somewhat mixed but in favor of Presidential Abrogation.
38   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Jul 8, 5:28pm  

steverbeaver says
Tell me... are you still forced to buy health insurance or pay a "fine"?


Ah, Another great Trump accomplishment Big Insurance got their mandatory insurance/subsidy scheme nixed.

I'm sure a missed a few other Big Achievements.
39   MrMagic   2018 Jul 8, 7:13pm  

TwoScoopsOfWompWomp says
I'm sure a missed a few other Big Achievements.


Yes you did, a BIG one... your 401K balance:

40   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Jul 8, 7:28pm  

TrumpingTits says
So it is legislation. And like all forms of legislation, only Congress can change it, repeal it or the courts can declare it unconstitutional. Now Trump could simply refuse to follow/enforce the law much like Obama's Regime did. But that could be challenged in court.


Except, NAFTA has a clause in it.

Article 2205: Withdrawal

A Party may withdraw from this Agreement six months after it provides written notice of withdrawal to the other Parties. If a Party withdraws, the Agreement shall remain in force for the remaining Parties.

http://www.sice.oas.org/trade/nafta/chap-22.asp

Many experts believe Trump can withdraw, although Congress could reimpose it - which would be a hugely unpopular move among the Republican Base.


Todd Tucker, fellow, the Roosevelt Institute
Congress can’t block Trump from withdrawing, but he will have other problems to deal with if he does so.

The executive branch has exclusive authority over foreign relations. Presidents from William McKinley to Franklin Roosevelt to Jimmy Carter terminated international agreements without explicit congressional authorization — including some that dealt with trade.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/26/16505508/nafta-congress-block-trump-withdraw-trade-power

So excited. Right now, China and Europe are using Mexico and Canada as backdoors to get Euro/Chinese goods tariff free into the USA, providing Canadian and Mexican jobs while depriving Americans of those jobs they would have gotten if NAFTA didn't exist, while depriving America of Tariff Revenue. A Lose-Lose deal.

Canada has a mere 36M people. It needs NAFTA far, far, far more than we do.
41   bob2356   2018 Jul 8, 8:11pm  

MrMagic says
Yes you did, a BIG one... your 401K balance:


The dow went up 250% under obama. Does that make obama the best president to date instead?
42   MrMagic   2018 Jul 8, 8:48pm  

bob2356 says
MrMagic says
Yes you did, a BIG one... your 401K balance:


The dow went up 250% under obama. Does that make obama the best president to date instead?


Ahhhh, math with Bernie supporters...

The answer is NO, the DOW was at 14K and dropped to 7K, and took 5 years to get back to just break even of 14K under Obama, before finishing at 18K when Trump came in.

Even if you started at the 7K number, 18K isn't 250%..

Where do Bernie supporters learn Math?
43   Shaman   2018 Jul 8, 8:51pm  

Oddly, the Dow dropped sharply after Obama’s election, then began to rise again after he was sworn in. With Trump, the rising began as soon as he was elected and didn’t reverse much for a solid year.
44   anonymous   2018 Jul 8, 9:11pm  

bob2356 says
MrMagic says
Yes you did, a BIG one... your 401K balance:


The dow went up 250% under obama. Does that make obama the best president to date instead?
The market went up under Obama during QE Infinity. Wow.
45   MrMagic   2018 Jul 8, 9:31pm  

PrivilegedtobeWhite says
bob2356 says
MrMagic says
Yes you did, a BIG one... your 401K balance:


The dow went up 250% under obama. Does that make obama the best president to date instead?
The market went up under Obama during QE Infinity. Wow.


Exactly.

Amazing what happens to the market when you juice it with over $4 TRILLION of printed money, then what happens to it when the printing press is shut off.

Since Bob likes doubling of the market under Obama, he must like doubling of the debt under Obama too, right?

Those pesky facts.
46   Shaman   2018 Jul 9, 8:33am  

Trump can’t repeal a Congressionally passed law. The Constitution says only Congress may do that. So there’s that.
49   Onvacation   2018 Jul 9, 8:03pm  

skridlov says
Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, Teddy R,. FDR

Slave owners and racists.
50   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Jul 9, 8:09pm  

TrumpingTits says
Yeah. TREATIES. Not Congressional-Executive Agreements. Those are just like domestic laws that stay on the books until Congress says otherwise.


Nope. The President has foreign policy power, and only the Senate (not the House) can approve foreign agreements as a check on the near absolute power of the Presidency in this area.

SCOTUS has already stood aside while similar agreements were nixed by Presidents, including McKinley and Carter. SCOTUS has historically been extremely shy of restricting the Foreign Policy powers of the President.

So the Congress may have passed enabling legislation for NAFTA, but the President can abrogate participation in it.

The Constitution is strangely specific by explicitly mentioning treaties have to be approved by the Senate, but says nothing of their abrogation. Historically, Presidents have unilaterally done so, and such actions took effect immediately, even if the Senate huffed and puffed before "approving" it (not that their approval is needed).
51   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Jul 9, 8:10pm  

TrumpingTits says
Yeah. TREATIES. Not Congressional-Executive Agreements. Those are just like domestic laws that stay on the books until Congress says otherwise.


If one President makes an agreement with Congress , another President may nix. Just like every other Executive Agreement.

If Somehow Obama made the Iran Deal some kind of Congressional-Executive agreement, Trump could have withdrawn from it.

Almost every expert, even Globalists from the Roosevelt Institute, agree that Trump can pull out of NAFTA. Neither the Senate, and certainly not the House, has the authority to impose an international agreement without the President.


This could be the SCOTUS issue of Trump's Presidency, but I'm very confident that SCOTUS will not take away the President's historically interpreted as near-total foreign policy powers. By historically, I mean since the birth of the Republic.
52   BayArea   2018 Jul 10, 6:32am  

bob2356 says
MrMagic says
Yes you did, a BIG one... your 401K balance:


The dow went up 250% under obama. Does that make obama the best president to date instead?


You should be ashamed of yourself for that one.
53   Bd6r   2018 Jul 10, 6:41am  

Aphroman says
How many people paid the fine each year for not having insurance


About 4.5% of taxpayers, which is quite a lot

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/11/28/us/politics/obamacare-individual-mandate-penalty-maps.html
54   Bd6r   2018 Jul 10, 6:47am  

ThreeBays says
It's party time, since Republicans switched from bitching about the deficit to pretending it doesn't even exist.

The new talking point is "we can never pay it back", forgetting that in some way it WILL be paid back (inflation). Or that most of it is owed to entities in US of A. Also, giving money to defense contractors is OK, but paying anyone else is a crime.
55   Shaman   2018 Jul 10, 7:32am  

Aphroman says
That’s less than the increase in gas prices that afe crushing low income Americans, under Trump


And somehow the President controls worldwide gas prices? Interesting how your mind works.
56   Bd6r   2018 Jul 10, 7:33am  

Aphroman says
That’s less than the increase in gas prices

High gas prices are extremely good - I wish gas was $5-8/gal. This allows development of alternative energy sources (less global warming and/or dependence on Gulf terroristocracies) and really helps state where I live. Also, as we all are adults here (hopefully), we know that Obamacare was a giveaway to insurance companies.
57   steverbeaver   2018 Jul 10, 7:36am  

I have a friend who was "taxed" ~$1400 for not buying the sham that is Obamacare.
58   Onvacation   2018 Jul 10, 8:17am  

Aphroman says
Locking Her up?

Hard to do after half the country voted for her. History will reveal the Clintons' and Bushes' crimes.
59   Goran_K   2018 Jul 10, 9:07am  

Bob, knock it off with the "are you a native english speaker" crap.

Your personal insults and racism are not the topic here.
60   socal2   2018 Jul 10, 9:28am  

drB6 says
High gas prices are extremely good - I wish gas was $5-8/gal. This allows development of alternative energy sources (less global warming and/or dependence on Gulf terroristocracies) and really helps state where I live.


It's also very bad for the poor - who often have to drive the farthest commute each day for their jobs since they can't afford to live near the coast in California.

Gas taxes are the most regressive taxes out there.
61   Bd6r   2018 Jul 10, 9:32am  

socal2 says
It's also very bad for the poor - who often have to drive the farthest commute each day for their jobs since they can't afford to live near the coast in California.

Gas taxes are the most regressive taxes out there.

Good for TX - low taxes and many jobs created.
62   Shaman   2018 Jul 10, 10:07am  

Aphroman says

Are you saying that the President has no effect on gas prices?


Remember $5 gas? I do. It was under Obama’s reign of terror. $3.50 seems like a bargain still to me!
63   Patrick   2018 Jul 10, 4:15pm  

drB6 says
as we all are adults here (hopefully), we know that Obamacare was a giveaway to insurance companies.


Yes, that was my problem with the mandate. It's wrong to force people to pay a small set of private companies whatever they say you have to pay or face fines.

It was a tax which we were obligated to pay to certain favored companies.
64   Shaman   2018 Jul 10, 8:31pm  

Patrick says
Yes, that was my problem with the mandate. It's wrong to force people to pay a small set of private companies whatever they say you have to pay or face fines.


Since the people who didn’t have insurance were the ones who had to buy it, they often couldn’t afford to budget 12% of their income for that one thing. And so, effectively it became a tax on the uninsured.
That’s how it affected my parents anyway, before they went on Medicare.
65   Patrick   2018 Jul 11, 8:50am  

It's all about trapping people and forcing them to pay.

You can make a great product, but that takes work. If you're well connected, it's much easier to just use the government to take the money.
66   RC2006   2018 Jul 13, 8:24am  

Trump just doesn't give a shit.

CNN wimper "But we are real news too ......"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=dO1f9EZ-0uw
67   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Jul 13, 11:27am  

Tim Aurora says
You do know that Emergency care in US is mandatory ( if not entirely free) , which means that uninsured normally ended up in Emergency costing the Govt



But the uninsured didn't have $1000 / month for a $5000 deductible shitty ass plan, either.
69   Shaman   2018 Jul 18, 10:56am  

Tim Aurora says

You do know that Emergency care in US is mandatory ( if not entirely free)


It’s only free if you’re an illegal immigrant. Otherwise they come after you with the bill. This is known. Stop trying to obfuscate the issue.

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