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anonymous
2019 Mar 8, 1:14pm
NuttBoxer says
Can not have one without the other and the prevailing wind like most places is from the west/northwest so even if it is not snowing, the clouds are forming and blowing across Lake Superior picking up more moisture and even it is does get frozen over - you still get the damn constant overcast.
Younger people are not as prone to getting into the gloom/depression but the shit gets to people after awhile - just like the Northwest. Grey skies and more grey skies.
The lake is still warmer even at 30 some degrees then the air temperature - great for making clouds/snow.
The Lower Peninsula is not as bad by any means unless you get up into the Traverse City area northward to the straits.
Grand Rapids etc. is like going to the deep south in April onwards compared to the Upper Peninsula. Spring arrives weeks ahead of the U.P. - short sleeve shirt weather there while up north still Puffer Jacket season.
You're conflating two things, the dense snowfall, and the clouds.
Can not have one without the other and the prevailing wind like most places is from the west/northwest so even if it is not snowing, the clouds are forming and blowing across Lake Superior picking up more moisture and even it is does get frozen over - you still get the damn constant overcast.
Younger people are not as prone to getting into the gloom/depression but the shit gets to people after awhile - just like the Northwest. Grey skies and more grey skies.
The lake is still warmer even at 30 some degrees then the air temperature - great for making clouds/snow.
The Lower Peninsula is not as bad by any means unless you get up into the Traverse City area northward to the straits.
Grand Rapids etc. is like going to the deep south in April onwards compared to the Upper Peninsula. Spring arrives weeks ahead of the U.P. - short sleeve shirt weather there while up north still Puffer Jacket season.
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FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut
2019 Mar 8, 3:39pm
FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut
2019 Mar 8, 3:39pm
Yeah I know.
I like that sort of thing. But kids would probably never visit. Young people don’t like that sort of life much.
CBOEtrader says
I like that sort of thing. But kids would probably never visit. Young people don’t like that sort of life much.
CBOEtrader says
FortWayneIndiana saysWas thinking of going back to Indiana, but couldn't convince the Mrs.
Tbf, Indiana is as boring as a state can get. Low cost of living though sure. You can pick up a corn field farmhouse for peanuts
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BayArea
2019 Mar 9, 9:45pm
BayArea
2019 Mar 9, 9:45pm
NuttBoxer says
30% decrease? Did you live in Bakersfield or Fresno?
I accepted a job in Phoenix, partly for the 30% decrease in cost-of-living, partly to stay within a drive-able distance of friends and relatives in San Diego.
Debt is Slavery!
30% decrease? Did you live in Bakersfield or Fresno?
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fdhfoiehfeoi
2019 Mar 11, 10:06pm
fdhfoiehfeoi
2019 Mar 11, 10:06pm
Kakistocracy says
I do remember the clouds getting to me, even as a kid. Still love Michigan as a great place to live, at least the areas I lived in.
Younger people are not as prone to getting into the gloom/depression but the shit gets to people after awhile - just like the Northwest. Grey skies and more grey skies.
I do remember the clouds getting to me, even as a kid. Still love Michigan as a great place to live, at least the areas I lived in.
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fdhfoiehfeoi
2019 Mar 11, 10:22pm
fdhfoiehfeoi
2019 Mar 11, 10:22pm
Tarantula says
Too bad, you could have gotten something for your taxes besides a dick up your ass.
Tarantula says
.. But you are educated in the adult WWF, false dichotomy, hate anyone who doesn't agree with you propaganda. Trump is a warmongering, Wall Street insider who was smart enough to see an angle into the White House. Obama was warmongering Wall Street insider who did the same. You, are an ignorant bigot who has wasted his life defending one, and hating the other, but they both took turns fucking you.
Tarantula says
Bullshit. Someone as low-brow as you has no shame. Or maybe you do? You don't post under your original account here anymore, I wonder why not..?
Pussy.
My apologies, I'm clearly not as well versed in the various forms and sources of welfare as are you ;)
Too bad, you could have gotten something for your taxes besides a dick up your ass.
Tarantula says
I'm curious how an astute and boot-strapping right-wing Trump supporting conservative
.. But you are educated in the adult WWF, false dichotomy, hate anyone who doesn't agree with you propaganda. Trump is a warmongering, Wall Street insider who was smart enough to see an angle into the White House. Obama was warmongering Wall Street insider who did the same. You, are an ignorant bigot who has wasted his life defending one, and hating the other, but they both took turns fucking you.
Tarantula says
Personally, I'd be embarrassed and ashamed to be on welfare.
Bullshit. Someone as low-brow as you has no shame. Or maybe you do? You don't post under your original account here anymore, I wonder why not..?
Pussy.
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Maga_Chaos_Monkey
2019 Mar 11, 10:30pm
Maga_Chaos_Monkey
2019 Mar 11, 10:30pm
NuttBoxer says
Man, that was like a downgrade of his entire family!
. But you are educated in the adult WWF, false dichotomy, hate anyone who doesn't agree with you propaganda. Trump is a warmongering, Wall Street insider who was smart enough to see an angle into the White House. Obama was warmongering Wall Street insider who did the same. You, are an ignorant bigot who has wasted his life defending one, and hating the other, but they both took turns fucking you.
Man, that was like a downgrade of his entire family!
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joshuatrio
2019 Mar 12, 4:29am
joshuatrio
2019 Mar 12, 4:29am
MrMagic says
The biggest culture shock was the workplace. People actually speak their mind down here without caring about stepping on someone else's toes. It's nice.
The other thing, people down here joke about skin color (my co-workers are about 50% black, 10% latino). Reality is, no one really cares what color you are - just the media - who try to race bait everyone.
I believe he's outside of Atlanta, GA
Down with the Rednecks. Talk about a culture shock when leaving CA, right?
The biggest culture shock was the workplace. People actually speak their mind down here without caring about stepping on someone else's toes. It's nice.
The other thing, people down here joke about skin color (my co-workers are about 50% black, 10% latino). Reality is, no one really cares what color you are - just the media - who try to race bait everyone.
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Goran_K
2019 Mar 12, 6:08am
Goran_K
2019 Mar 12, 6:08am
joshuatrio says
Democrats have nothing to offer besides genitals and melanin. Anytime they try to debate on policy, you get AOC type suggestions and everyone cringes or laughs.
MrMagic says
I believe he's outside of Atlanta, GA
Down with the Rednecks. Talk about a culture shock when leaving CA, right?
The biggest culture shock was the workplace. People actually speak their mind down here without caring about stepping on someone else's toes. It's nice.
The other thing, people down here joke about skin color (my co-workers are about 50% black, 10% latino). Reality is, no one really cares what color you are - just the media - who try to race bait everyone.
Democrats have nothing to offer besides genitals and melanin. Anytime they try to debate on policy, you get AOC type suggestions and everyone cringes or laughs.
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anonymous
2019 Mar 12, 6:33am
joshuatrio says
Au Contraire - one of many similar comments personally heard while facilitating training sessions in the greater Conyers area
I might have to work with "them" but I don't have to break bread with "them"
I might have to be nice to "them" at work but I don't have to spend time with "them" outside of work
The Old South has not died - it is just better hidden from view most of the time
no one really cares what color you are
Au Contraire - one of many similar comments personally heard while facilitating training sessions in the greater Conyers area
I might have to work with "them" but I don't have to break bread with "them"
I might have to be nice to "them" at work but I don't have to spend time with "them" outside of work
The Old South has not died - it is just better hidden from view most of the time
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anonymous
2019 Apr 1, 6:07pm
Americans are relocating more frequently than before, here's why. On average, 47 million U.S. residents moved each year from 2012 through 2016
As the housing market continues to slow down across the country, many homeowners are relocating to housing markets that better suit their financial needs.
In fact, according to NerdWallet’s Home Buyer Survey an average 47 million U.S. residents moved each year from 2012 to 2016.
And among the 25 metros analyzed in the report, all but Chicago and New York posted a net resident increase from migration.
“There are a lot of factors to consider when trying to understand why people move to a new city, and why some from abroad look to make the United States their new home,” NerdWallet Expert Holden Lewis said. “While some of those reasons might seem obvious, like a lower cost of living or relocation for a new job, some factors may be less tied to finances, like wanting to live closer to family or in a more culturally diverse city.”
That being said, NerdWallet’s report indicates the most common factor behind homeowner migration is the request of a housing upgrade.
“More than one-third of people who had recently moved said they wanted a larger or better-quality home, according to the 2017 American Housing Survey by the Census Bureau,” NerdWallet writes. “Such upgrades don’t typically require big moves — heading down the street or into another neighborhood is often enough. But some may seek more dramatic changes and move to another state.”
For those migrating out of state, NerdWallet’s data points to affordability as the second biggest motivation for relocation.
“Even though upgrading is the most common reason people move, according to the American Housing Survey, 18% of recent movers say they left their prior residence to reduce housing costs,” NerdWallet writes.
So, what markets are these homeowners relocating to? Well, according to the analysis, Tampa and Phoenix.
These housing markets had the highest share of out-of-state new homeowners, sitting at a whopping 41%. This total even exceeds the national average of 32%.
“Often the cities that attract the most newcomers are the same places where people are forced to compete for living space,” Lewis said. “In these growing metros, if construction of affordable housing doesn’t keep pace with population growth, then rents and home prices will rise.”
And Lewis is right, as Nerdwallet revealed homeownership costs have priced out many of out-of-state newcomers, resulting in 68% settling into their new housing markets as renters.
NOTE: NerdWallet’s Home Buyer survey is based on data collected from The Harris Poll, which features the responses of 2,029 U.S. adults ranging from January 16th through 18th.
https://www.housingwire.com/articles/48687-americans-are-relocating-more-frequently-than-before-heres-why
As the housing market continues to slow down across the country, many homeowners are relocating to housing markets that better suit their financial needs.
In fact, according to NerdWallet’s Home Buyer Survey an average 47 million U.S. residents moved each year from 2012 to 2016.
And among the 25 metros analyzed in the report, all but Chicago and New York posted a net resident increase from migration.
“There are a lot of factors to consider when trying to understand why people move to a new city, and why some from abroad look to make the United States their new home,” NerdWallet Expert Holden Lewis said. “While some of those reasons might seem obvious, like a lower cost of living or relocation for a new job, some factors may be less tied to finances, like wanting to live closer to family or in a more culturally diverse city.”
That being said, NerdWallet’s report indicates the most common factor behind homeowner migration is the request of a housing upgrade.
“More than one-third of people who had recently moved said they wanted a larger or better-quality home, according to the 2017 American Housing Survey by the Census Bureau,” NerdWallet writes. “Such upgrades don’t typically require big moves — heading down the street or into another neighborhood is often enough. But some may seek more dramatic changes and move to another state.”
For those migrating out of state, NerdWallet’s data points to affordability as the second biggest motivation for relocation.
“Even though upgrading is the most common reason people move, according to the American Housing Survey, 18% of recent movers say they left their prior residence to reduce housing costs,” NerdWallet writes.
So, what markets are these homeowners relocating to? Well, according to the analysis, Tampa and Phoenix.
These housing markets had the highest share of out-of-state new homeowners, sitting at a whopping 41%. This total even exceeds the national average of 32%.
“Often the cities that attract the most newcomers are the same places where people are forced to compete for living space,” Lewis said. “In these growing metros, if construction of affordable housing doesn’t keep pace with population growth, then rents and home prices will rise.”
And Lewis is right, as Nerdwallet revealed homeownership costs have priced out many of out-of-state newcomers, resulting in 68% settling into their new housing markets as renters.
NOTE: NerdWallet’s Home Buyer survey is based on data collected from The Harris Poll, which features the responses of 2,029 U.S. adults ranging from January 16th through 18th.
https://www.housingwire.com/articles/48687-americans-are-relocating-more-frequently-than-before-heres-why
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everything
2019 Apr 3, 1:26pm
everything
2019 Apr 3, 1:26pm
I look at what happens to some of the old people.. They end up kicked into assisted living, etc. by family & company, etc. Thus, I continually downsize out of bigger into smaller places that fit my needs. Retirement communities are expanding is my guess.
Personally I'd rather migrate right the hell out of here to a country where people are valued.
Personally I'd rather migrate right the hell out of here to a country where people are valued.
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Ceffer
2019 Apr 3, 1:40pm
Ceffer
2019 Apr 3, 1:40pm
Some people just move because they are chronically agitated and annoyed where they already live and think that the 'adventure' of moving will change things, until they become agitated and annoyed in their new environment.
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fdhfoiehfeoi
2019 Apr 4, 8:40am
fdhfoiehfeoi
2019 Apr 4, 8:40am
After about a month here I've already decided I'm never going back. The one thing I didn't account for here is how much less stressful life is. When I go to the store, I don't have people constantly on top of me. There's more parking. The commute is at least five miles further than what I had in San Diego, but it takes me the same amount of time. My neighborhood is super quite, everyone is friendly, I have a yard, at least 500 more square feet, two car garage, and a pool for $300 less a month than what I paid for a 2/2 condo. And I can realistically buy a house here without going into debt for the rest of my life.
Oh yeah, and I already got my daughter into a charter that is VASTLY superior to the one she attends in San Diego.
Those people you talk about don't come from California. Californians have legitimate reason to leave.
Oh yeah, and I already got my daughter into a charter that is VASTLY superior to the one she attends in San Diego.
Those people you talk about don't come from California. Californians have legitimate reason to leave.
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joshuatrio
2019 Apr 4, 8:49am
joshuatrio
2019 Apr 4, 8:49am
NuttBoxer says
Sounds pretty identical to our story.
Glad the move has worked out for you guys!
After about a month here I've already decided I'm never going back. The one thing I didn't account for here is how much less stressful life is. When I go to the store, I don't have people constantly on top of me. There's more parking. The commute is at least five miles further than what I had in San Diego, but it takes me the same amount of time. My neighborhood is super quite, everyone is friendly, I have a yard, at least 500 more square feet, two car garage, and a pool for $300 less a month than what I paid for a 2/2 condo. And I can realistically buy a house here without going into debt for the rest of my life.
Sounds pretty identical to our story.
Glad the move has worked out for you guys!
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FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut
2019 Apr 4, 8:51am
FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut
2019 Apr 4, 8:51am
Are you in Texas?
NuttBoxer says
NuttBoxer says
After about a month here I've already decided I'm never going back. The one thing I didn't account for here is how much less stressful life is. When I go to the store, I don't have people constantly on top of me. There's more parking. The commute is at least five miles further than what I had in San Diego, but it takes me the same amount of time. My neighborhood is super quite, everyone is friendly, I have a yard, at least 500 more square feet, two car garage, and a pool for $300 less a month than what I paid for a 2/2 condo. And I can realistically buy a house here without going into debt for the rest of my life.
Oh yeah, and I already got my daughter into a charter that is VASTLY superior to the one she attends in San Diego.
Those people you talk about don't come from California. Californians have legitimate reason to leave.
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fdhfoiehfeoi
2019 Apr 4, 10:36pm
fdhfoiehfeoi
2019 Apr 4, 10:36pm
FortWayneIndiana says
Arizona. Thought about Texas, but the 3 day trip to visit family in California was a deal breaker.
Are you in Texas?
Arizona. Thought about Texas, but the 3 day trip to visit family in California was a deal breaker.
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BayArea
2019 Apr 4, 10:45pm
BayArea
2019 Apr 4, 10:45pm
By the way, thanks for sharing your story.
My wife and I have tossed around the idea of leaving Silicon Valley for quite a while.
Unless you got into housing at the right time, why compete so hard for so little?
My wife and I have tossed around the idea of leaving Silicon Valley for quite a while.
Unless you got into housing at the right time, why compete so hard for so little?
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anonymous
2019 Apr 5, 3:19am
everything says
Rent before buying in a 55 and over place - a cautionary warning, I did not buy in one of them and glad I didn't.
Retirement communities are expanding is my guess.
Rent before buying in a 55 and over place - a cautionary warning, I did not buy in one of them and glad I didn't.
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anonymous
2019 Apr 5, 3:21am
Ceffer says
Also referred to as a "geographic" in 12 step programs. Doesn't work for most of those that try it since the underlying problems travel with them.
Some people just move because they are chronically agitated and annoyed where they already live and think that the 'adventure' of moving will change things, until they become agitated and annoyed in their new environment.
Also referred to as a "geographic" in 12 step programs. Doesn't work for most of those that try it since the underlying problems travel with them.
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anonymous
2019 Apr 5, 3:22am
NuttBoxer says
That would seem to be an incentive in a lot of cases - actually a 4-5 hour plane trip removed is far better and you just can't put a price on a 12 hour plus plane trip, different day and time zone..
but the 3 day trip to visit family in California was a deal breaker
That would seem to be an incentive in a lot of cases - actually a 4-5 hour plane trip removed is far better and you just can't put a price on a 12 hour plus plane trip, different day and time zone..
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Al_Sharpton_for_President
2019 Apr 5, 3:59am
Al_Sharpton_for_President
2019 Apr 5, 3:59am
You can always return to SD to vote there. Even citizens of Mexico can vote in California.
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HeadSet
2019 Apr 5, 7:11am
HeadSet
2019 Apr 5, 7:11am
willywonka says
Or put voting in your Will. Dems like to "mine" the posthumous vote.
You can always return to SD to vote there. Even citizens of Mexico can vote in California.
Or put voting in your Will. Dems like to "mine" the posthumous vote.
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B.A.C.A.H.
2019 Apr 5, 9:20pm
B.A.C.A.H.
2019 Apr 5, 9:20pm
BayArea says
Is the Bay Area your home town area? (ie, where you grew up?)
My wife and I have tossed around the idea of leaving Silicon Valley for quite a while.
Is the Bay Area your home town area? (ie, where you grew up?)
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BayArea
2019 Apr 5, 10:03pm
BayArea
2019 Apr 5, 10:03pm
B.A.C.A.H. says
Yes, grew up in the East Bay
BayArea saysMy wife and I have tossed around the idea of leaving Silicon Valley for quite a while.
Is the Bay Area your home town area? (ie, where you grew up?)
Yes, grew up in the East Bay
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FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut
2019 Apr 6, 8:40pm
FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut
2019 Apr 6, 8:40pm
You got to do what makes financial sense for you. I feel like CA has gone from a family friendly place, to just a place everyone trashes. bums, needles, mentally ill parades (lgbt, trannies, and other horseshit), illegals, and problems such shortage of housing and other basic needs which probably stems from insane inflow of illegals that the system fails to keep up with.
I can't fault anyone for leaving CA, like I can't fault anyone for wanting to get the fuck out of Detroit.
I can't fault anyone for leaving CA, like I can't fault anyone for wanting to get the fuck out of Detroit.
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Patrick
2019 Apr 6, 9:32pm
Patrick
2019 Apr 6, 9:32pm
California still has really incredible natural beauty in spite of everything.
Maybe after all the liberals have died out from feminism, it will once again become a good place to raise a family and stay long term.
Maybe after all the liberals have died out from feminism, it will once again become a good place to raise a family and stay long term.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Apr 6, 9:41pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Apr 6, 9:41pm
Patrick says
Except, you still won't be able to escape "Something", even if you hide in the bathroom with the door shut.
www.youtube.com/embed/_G_cjOipwW8
Ese, it's 3AM, the fiesta no silencio, amigo. Ahora, nosotros tenemos los pollos luchar. Debito cuarenta dolares en "La Machina", el grande le aca.
Maybe after all the liberals have died out from feminism, it will once again become a good place to raise a family and stay long term.
Except, you still won't be able to escape "Something", even if you hide in the bathroom with the door shut.
www.youtube.com/embed/_G_cjOipwW8
Ese, it's 3AM, the fiesta no silencio, amigo. Ahora, nosotros tenemos los pollos luchar. Debito cuarenta dolares en "La Machina", el grande le aca.
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B.A.C.A.H.
2019 Apr 6, 9:54pm
B.A.C.A.H.
2019 Apr 6, 9:54pm
BayArea says
Yep. This is sad. I know more homies who left than stayed. Many more.
Yes, grew up in the East Bay
Yep. This is sad. I know more homies who left than stayed. Many more.
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B.A.C.A.H.
2019 Apr 6, 9:57pm
B.A.C.A.H.
2019 Apr 6, 9:57pm
Patrick says
Won't even be missed. Privileged grad-school graduates with H-1's backfilling the void with their own kids and value systems. We're becoming an extension of Shanghai and Bombay, with a population of illegals for them to exploit.
after all the liberals have died out from feminism
Won't even be missed. Privileged grad-school graduates with H-1's backfilling the void with their own kids and value systems. We're becoming an extension of Shanghai and Bombay, with a population of illegals for them to exploit.
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Patrick
2019 Apr 7, 9:38am
Patrick
2019 Apr 7, 9:38am
MisterLearnToCode says
Damn, she's cute.
Mostly I don't mind the Mexicans as people. Good families, hard workers. I just want them to come here legally and in limited numbers, or not at all. And once here legally, they should strive to become American like previous waves of immigrants did.
Patrick saysMaybe after all the liberals have died out from feminism, it will once again become a good place to raise a family and stay long term.
Except, you still won't be able to escape "Something", even if you hide in the bathroom with the door shut.
www.youtube.com/embed/_G_cjOipwW8
Ese, it's 3AM, the fiesta no silencio, amigo. Ahora, nosotros tenemos los pollos luchar. Debito cuarenta dolares en "La Machina", el grande le aca.
Damn, she's cute.
Mostly I don't mind the Mexicans as people. Good families, hard workers. I just want them to come here legally and in limited numbers, or not at all. And once here legally, they should strive to become American like previous waves of immigrants did.
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FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut
2019 Apr 7, 10:07am
FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut
2019 Apr 7, 10:07am
Everything comes and goes. Left is obsessed with promoting fag shit and feminism.
4-8 years that fetish will pass. CA will be conservative again, it will not survive otherwise. And history teaches us that liberalism leads to shit, followed by conservatism.
Patrick says
4-8 years that fetish will pass. CA will be conservative again, it will not survive otherwise. And history teaches us that liberalism leads to shit, followed by conservatism.
Patrick says
California still has really incredible natural beauty in spite of everything.
Maybe after all the liberals have died out from feminism, it will once again become a good place to raise a family and stay long term.
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Maga_Chaos_Monkey
2019 Apr 7, 11:04am
Maga_Chaos_Monkey
2019 Apr 7, 11:04am
MisterLearnToCode says
That has been my experience trying to camp anywhere near Austin or San Antonio. Day and Night. Every. Damn. Time.
Ese, it's 3AM, the fiesta no silencio, amigo.
That has been my experience trying to camp anywhere near Austin or San Antonio. Day and Night. Every. Damn. Time.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Apr 7, 2:00pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Apr 7, 2:00pm
Patrick says
Agreed, especially on the first count. My post was facetious. It's the Left Wing crowd that is the danger.
Damn, she's cute.
Mostly I don't mind the Mexicans as people. Good families, hard workers. I just want them to come here legally and in limited numbers, or not at all. And once here legally, they should strive to become American like previous waves of immigrants did.
Agreed, especially on the first count. My post was facetious. It's the Left Wing crowd that is the danger.
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anonymous
2019 Apr 7, 2:08pm
Patrick says
Heard the same lines in Conyersa few years back. Some of those "good ole boys" like on the Dukes of Hazard talking about their black co-workers.
They were a bit more specific though...
Wouldn't want one to marry into the family
Wouldn't marry one themselves
Wouldn't want to break bread with them or hang out with them after work
But other than that they were okay with "them", hell they might even share the lunch room with "them peoples".
Mostly I don't mind the Mexicans as people. Good families, hard workers
Heard the same lines in Conyersa few years back. Some of those "good ole boys" like on the Dukes of Hazard talking about their black co-workers.
They were a bit more specific though...
Wouldn't want one to marry into the family
Wouldn't marry one themselves
Wouldn't want to break bread with them or hang out with them after work
But other than that they were okay with "them", hell they might even share the lunch room with "them peoples".
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