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I'm Leaving California


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2019 Jan 23, 11:18am   18,825 views  132 comments

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Getting on that outta state bandwagon. Despite making good money, and keeping my rent level for the past two years we are tighter than ever. I accepted a job in Phoenix, partly for the 30% decrease in cost-of-living, partly to stay within a drive-able distance of friends and relatives in San Diego. I had always assumed a six figure salary would mean I'd made it when I was younger, even if it was low six figures. That is no longer the case in California. Sick of seeing all my money go out as quickly as it comes in. I'd love to come back sometime in the future if prices ever go back to something remotely normal, but great weather and the ocean just aren't enough anymore.

I've always preached live within your means, this is me making the hard decision and practicing it. If you rent you are always one move away from getting back on track.

Debt is Slavery!

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74   anonymous   2019 Apr 1, 6:07pm  

Americans are relocating more frequently than before, here's why. On average, 47 million U.S. residents moved each year from 2012 through 2016

As the housing market continues to slow down across the country, many homeowners are relocating to housing markets that better suit their financial needs.

In fact, according to NerdWallet’s Home Buyer Survey an average 47 million U.S. residents moved each year from 2012 to 2016.

And among the 25 metros analyzed in the report, all but Chicago and New York posted a net resident increase from migration.

“There are a lot of factors to consider when trying to understand why people move to a new city, and why some from abroad look to make the United States their new home,” NerdWallet Expert Holden Lewis said. “While some of those reasons might seem obvious, like a lower cost of living or relocation for a new job, some factors may be less tied to finances, like wanting to live closer to family or in a more culturally diverse city.”

That being said, NerdWallet’s report indicates the most common factor behind homeowner migration is the request of a housing upgrade.

“More than one-third of people who had recently moved said they wanted a larger or better-quality home, according to the 2017 American Housing Survey by the Census Bureau,” NerdWallet writes. “Such upgrades don’t typically require big moves — heading down the street or into another neighborhood is often enough. But some may seek more dramatic changes and move to another state.”

For those migrating out of state, NerdWallet’s data points to affordability as the second biggest motivation for relocation.

“Even though upgrading is the most common reason people move, according to the American Housing Survey, 18% of recent movers say they left their prior residence to reduce housing costs,” NerdWallet writes.

So, what markets are these homeowners relocating to? Well, according to the analysis, Tampa and Phoenix.

These housing markets had the highest share of out-of-state new homeowners, sitting at a whopping 41%. This total even exceeds the national average of 32%.

“Often the cities that attract the most newcomers are the same places where people are forced to compete for living space,” Lewis said. “In these growing metros, if construction of affordable housing doesn’t keep pace with population growth, then rents and home prices will rise.”

And Lewis is right, as Nerdwallet revealed homeownership costs have priced out many of out-of-state newcomers, resulting in 68% settling into their new housing markets as renters.

NOTE: NerdWallet’s Home Buyer survey is based on data collected from The Harris Poll, which features the responses of 2,029 U.S. adults ranging from January 16th through 18th.

https://www.housingwire.com/articles/48687-americans-are-relocating-more-frequently-than-before-heres-why
75   everything   2019 Apr 3, 1:26pm  

I look at what happens to some of the old people.. They end up kicked into assisted living, etc. by family & company, etc. Thus, I continually downsize out of bigger into smaller places that fit my needs. Retirement communities are expanding is my guess.

Personally I'd rather migrate right the hell out of here to a country where people are valued.
76   Ceffer   2019 Apr 3, 1:40pm  

Some people just move because they are chronically agitated and annoyed where they already live and think that the 'adventure' of moving will change things, until they become agitated and annoyed in their new environment.
77   NuttBoxer   2019 Apr 4, 8:40am  

After about a month here I've already decided I'm never going back. The one thing I didn't account for here is how much less stressful life is. When I go to the store, I don't have people constantly on top of me. There's more parking. The commute is at least five miles further than what I had in San Diego, but it takes me the same amount of time. My neighborhood is super quite, everyone is friendly, I have a yard, at least 500 more square feet, two car garage, and a pool for $300 less a month than what I paid for a 2/2 condo. And I can realistically buy a house here without going into debt for the rest of my life.

Oh yeah, and I already got my daughter into a charter that is VASTLY superior to the one she attends in San Diego.

Those people you talk about don't come from California. Californians have legitimate reason to leave.
78   joshuatrio   2019 Apr 4, 8:49am  

NuttBoxer says
 

After about a month here I've already decided I'm never going back. The one thing I didn't account for here is how much less stressful life is. When I go to the store, I don't have people constantly on top of me. There's more parking. The commute is at least five miles further than what I had in San Diego, but it takes me the same amount of time. My neighborhood is super quite, everyone is friendly, I have a yard, at least 500 more square feet, two car garage, and a pool for $300 less a month than what I paid for a 2/2 condo. And I can realistically buy a house here without going into debt for the rest of my life.


Sounds pretty identical to our story.

Glad the move has worked out for you guys!
79   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   2019 Apr 4, 8:51am  

Are you in Texas?

NuttBoxer says
After about a month here I've already decided I'm never going back. The one thing I didn't account for here is how much less stressful life is. When I go to the store, I don't have people constantly on top of me. There's more parking. The commute is at least five miles further than what I had in San Diego, but it takes me the same amount of time. My neighborhood is super quite, everyone is friendly, I have a yard, at least 500 more square feet, two car garage, and a pool for $300 less a month than what I paid for a 2/2 condo. And I can realistically buy a house here without going into debt for the rest of my life.

Oh yeah, and I already got my daughter into a charter that is VASTLY superior to the one she attends in San Diego.

Those people you talk about don't come from California. Californians have legitimate reason to leave.
80   NuttBoxer   2019 Apr 4, 10:36pm  

FortWayneIndiana says
Are you in Texas?


Arizona. Thought about Texas, but the 3 day trip to visit family in California was a deal breaker.
81   BayArea   2019 Apr 4, 10:40pm  

Someone asked above.

The answer is Scottsdale over SD, no question
82   BayArea   2019 Apr 4, 10:45pm  

By the way, thanks for sharing your story.

My wife and I have tossed around the idea of leaving Silicon Valley for quite a while.

Unless you got into housing at the right time, why compete so hard for so little?
83   anonymous   2019 Apr 5, 3:19am  

everything says
Retirement communities are expanding is my guess.


Rent before buying in a 55 and over place - a cautionary warning, I did not buy in one of them and glad I didn't.
84   anonymous   2019 Apr 5, 3:21am  

Ceffer says
Some people just move because they are chronically agitated and annoyed where they already live and think that the 'adventure' of moving will change things, until they become agitated and annoyed in their new environment.


Also referred to as a "geographic" in 12 step programs. Doesn't work for most of those that try it since the underlying problems travel with them.
85   anonymous   2019 Apr 5, 3:22am  

NuttBoxer says
but the 3 day trip to visit family in California was a deal breaker


That would seem to be an incentive in a lot of cases - actually a 4-5 hour plane trip removed is far better and you just can't put a price on a 12 hour plus plane trip, different day and time zone..
86   Al_Sharpton_for_President   2019 Apr 5, 3:59am  

You can always return to SD to vote there. Even citizens of Mexico can vote in California.
87   HeadSet   2019 Apr 5, 7:11am  

willywonka says
You can always return to SD to vote there. Even citizens of Mexico can vote in California.


Or put voting in your Will. Dems like to "mine" the posthumous vote.
88   B.A.C.A.H.   2019 Apr 5, 9:20pm  

BayArea says
My wife and I have tossed around the idea of leaving Silicon Valley for quite a while.


Is the Bay Area your home town area? (ie, where you grew up?)
89   BayArea   2019 Apr 5, 10:03pm  

B.A.C.A.H. says
BayArea says
My wife and I have tossed around the idea of leaving Silicon Valley for quite a while.


Is the Bay Area your home town area? (ie, where you grew up?)


Yes, grew up in the East Bay
90   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Apr 6, 8:36pm  

1 hour of Classic San Fran Freako rant

www.youtube.com/embed/B3BpkRa2Ubg
91   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   2019 Apr 6, 8:40pm  

You got to do what makes financial sense for you. I feel like CA has gone from a family friendly place, to just a place everyone trashes. bums, needles, mentally ill parades (lgbt, trannies, and other horseshit), illegals, and problems such shortage of housing and other basic needs which probably stems from insane inflow of illegals that the system fails to keep up with.

I can't fault anyone for leaving CA, like I can't fault anyone for wanting to get the fuck out of Detroit.
92   Patrick   2019 Apr 6, 9:32pm  

California still has really incredible natural beauty in spite of everything.

Maybe after all the liberals have died out from feminism, it will once again become a good place to raise a family and stay long term.
93   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Apr 6, 9:41pm  

Patrick says
Maybe after all the liberals have died out from feminism, it will once again become a good place to raise a family and stay long term.



Except, you still won't be able to escape "Something", even if you hide in the bathroom with the door shut.

www.youtube.com/embed/_G_cjOipwW8

Ese, it's 3AM, the fiesta no silencio, amigo. Ahora, nosotros tenemos los pollos luchar. Debito cuarenta dolares en "La Machina", el grande le aca.
94   B.A.C.A.H.   2019 Apr 6, 9:54pm  

BayArea says


Yes, grew up in the East Bay


Yep. This is sad. I know more homies who left than stayed. Many more.
95   B.A.C.A.H.   2019 Apr 6, 9:57pm  

Patrick says
after all the liberals have died out from feminism

Won't even be missed. Privileged grad-school graduates with H-1's backfilling the void with their own kids and value systems. We're becoming an extension of Shanghai and Bombay, with a population of illegals for them to exploit.
96   Patrick   2019 Apr 7, 9:38am  

MisterLearnToCode says
Patrick says
Maybe after all the liberals have died out from feminism, it will once again become a good place to raise a family and stay long term.



Except, you still won't be able to escape "Something", even if you hide in the bathroom with the door shut.

www.youtube.com/embed/_G_cjOipwW8

Ese, it's 3AM, the fiesta no silencio, amigo. Ahora, nosotros tenemos los pollos luchar. Debito cuarenta dolares en "La Machina", el grande le aca.


Damn, she's cute.

Mostly I don't mind the Mexicans as people. Good families, hard workers. I just want them to come here legally and in limited numbers, or not at all. And once here legally, they should strive to become American like previous waves of immigrants did.
97   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   2019 Apr 7, 10:07am  

Everything comes and goes. Left is obsessed with promoting fag shit and feminism.

4-8 years that fetish will pass. CA will be conservative again, it will not survive otherwise. And history teaches us that liberalism leads to shit, followed by conservatism.

Patrick says
California still has really incredible natural beauty in spite of everything.

Maybe after all the liberals have died out from feminism, it will once again become a good place to raise a family and stay long term.
98   just_passing_through   2019 Apr 7, 11:04am  

MisterLearnToCode says
Ese, it's 3AM, the fiesta no silencio, amigo.


That has been my experience trying to camp anywhere near Austin or San Antonio. Day and Night. Every. Damn. Time.
99   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Apr 7, 2:00pm  

Patrick says

Damn, she's cute.

Mostly I don't mind the Mexicans as people. Good families, hard workers. I just want them to come here legally and in limited numbers, or not at all. And once here legally, they should strive to become American like previous waves of immigrants did.


Agreed, especially on the first count. My post was facetious. It's the Left Wing crowd that is the danger.
100   anonymous   2019 Apr 7, 2:08pm  

Patrick says
Mostly I don't mind the Mexicans as people. Good families, hard workers


Heard the same lines in Conyersa few years back. Some of those "good ole boys" like on the Dukes of Hazard talking about their black co-workers.

They were a bit more specific though...

Wouldn't want one to marry into the family

Wouldn't marry one themselves

Wouldn't want to break bread with them or hang out with them after work

But other than that they were okay with "them", hell they might even share the lunch room with "them peoples".
104   BayArea   2019 Apr 14, 1:06pm  

just_dregalicious says
MisterLearnToCode says
Ese, it's 3AM, the fiesta no silencio, amigo.


That has been my experience trying to camp anywhere near Austin or San Antonio. Day and Night. Every. Damn. Time.


My last few camping trips in CA have included neighbors having all night fiestas.
106   Shaman   2019 May 23, 11:28am  

BayArea says
My last few camping trips in CA have included neighbors having all night fiestas.


I’ve experienced that as well, but only at the State Parks campgrounds. Go to a private campground or KOA and you will have a much better experience. I know the State locked up the best locations, but there are some really nice ones in private hands!
Best experience hands down was Ventana in Big Sur. Shady grounds with large spaces plenty of room, nice bathrooms and showers, surrounded by massive redwoods, and you can have campfires. Very relaxing, and only 3 miles from Pfieffer Beach with the purple sand!
107   RC2006   2019 May 23, 12:11pm  

BayArea says
just_dregalicious says
MisterLearnToCode says
Ese, it's 3AM, the fiesta no silencio, amigo.


That has been my experience trying to camp anywhere near Austin or San Antonio. Day and Night. Every. Damn. Time.


My last few camping trips in CA have included neighbors having all night fiestas.


Don't forget the diapers, trash, and graffiti. Anything that is free or cheep, or near city gets trashed by them.
108   Heraclitusstudent   2019 May 23, 12:23pm  

HonkpilledMaster says
it's 3AM, the fiesta no silencio, amigo.

That's why there is a siesta. The night is there to party. You just need your afternoon nap. Same in Spain.
109   Heraclitusstudent   2019 May 23, 12:25pm  

Patrick says
Maybe after all the liberals have died out from feminism, it will once again become a good place to raise a family and stay long term.

Really? How many kids you have? It will be Mexican, and that's that.
110   mell   2019 May 23, 2:46pm  

Heraclitusstudent says
Patrick says
Maybe after all the liberals have died out from feminism, it will once again become a good place to raise a family and stay long term.

Really? How many kids you have? It will be Mexican, and that's that.


Mexicans will def be more conservative than leftoids and reign back in the wildebeest feminazi womyn currently damaging society. In fact most other cultures are more conservative than the current white white west under the leftoid kybosh of tranny-feminazy-lgbtqq+-1234xyz freakism.
112   NuttBoxer   2019 Jul 5, 12:08pm  

Celebrated the 4th with my family and parents who are in town. Cooked and ate outside with high around 105, sitting under a fan. Yes, in Phoenix an outside fan and covered porch are standard. Was a bit warm, but not too bad. I guess that's what they mean by dry heat. Also set off some fireworks which are legal in Arizona. They only allow fountains, but when the fountain is the size of your head, it packs a punch. Brought back memories of when we used to light m80's in Michigan. Good times!
113   NuttBoxer   2023 Apr 6, 6:52pm  

So after the rent going up two years in a row a total of $270, we're leaving, again, this time for Yuma. Moving into the the biggest house we've ever rented, pool, nice yard, and yes, still renting. For anyone interested the rent will remain under 25% of my net income. We've done the day drive to Yuma, it's not bad at all, so unlike the Phoenix move, will be back more frequently, especially over the summer to get out to the beach and away from the heat. Also, with the school voucher's, we may be able to send our daughter to Catholic school for free.

Considered Florida as I have family there, but decided we may have missed our chance, at least until our daughter finishes high school. Although by that time, good chance we will take off for the South Pacific, the only perfect place on earth.

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