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OccasionalCortex says

Then WHY did Biden commit de-facto extortion to remove Shokin?

The official line was, IIRC, for not going after "corruption" aggressively enough.

That's one hell of a corruption, Teapot Dome Scandal 2.0.

This appears to be just another liberals nothing burger. At this point they have called wolf so many times without a break they just seem insane. Left media is off its hinges over something anything Trump does it's tiring and just makes democrats look weak. They have no platform nothing positive to say and have nobody to run against Trump, all they have are crazy rants and a bunch of grasping for straws that backfire every time.

Seems correct that they should be looking into Biden's deliberately getting a Ukranian prosecutor fired to protect the $50K/month income of Biden's son.

Patrick says

Seems correct that they should be looking into Biden's

So its just fine that the President asks a foreign leader to look into ( find dirt on) the man that he sees as his chief rival in his reelection campaign? And it seems quite clear have the attorney general involved in this "investigation" And while he's at it find the allegedly missing DNC server and determine how the Muller investigation began. And by the way dont look for any of that 250 mil in assistance until we see some results. Yea seems Ok ...for a banana republic

rdm says

So its just fine that the President asks a foreign leader to look into ( find dirt on) the man that he sees as his chief rival in his reelection campaign?

Here is a letter from 3 Democrat Senators (Menendez, Leahy, Durbin) demanding Ukraine investigate their political opponent (Trump) last year as part of the Russian Hoax.

Are you fine with this?
https://www.foreign.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/5-4-18%20Menendez%20joint%20letter%20to%20General%20Prosecutor%20of%20Ukraine%20on%20Mueller%20investigation.pdf

rdm says

Patrick says

Seems correct that they should be looking into Biden's

So its just fine that the President asks a foreign leader to look into ( find dirt on) the man that he sees as his chief rival in his reelection campaign? And it seems quite clear have the attorney general involved in this "investigation" And while he's at it find the allegedly missing DNC server and determine how the Muller investigation began. And by the way dont look for any of that 250 mil in assistance until we see some results. Yea seems Ok ...for a banana republic

I'm having trouble with the quid pro quo portion of this. Maybe I'm ignorant and you can explain it to me.

socal2 says

rdm says

So its just fine that the President asks a foreign leader to look into ( find dirt on) the man that he sees as his chief rival in his reelection campaign?

Here is a letter from 3 Democrat Senators (Menendez, Leahy, Durbin) demanding Ukraine investigate their political opponent (Trump) last year as part of the Russian Hoax.

Are you fine with this?
https://www.foreign.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/5-4-18%20Menendez%20joint%20letter%20to%20General%20Prosecutor%20of%20Ukraine%20on%20Mueller%20investigation.pdf

Yeah, the double standard is hilarious. Like somehow people forgot about what politics really are just because we have an ass hole in chief (not that it matters, on paper I'm fine with an ass hole in chief, but hey people like to complain).

THIS STUFF HAS ALWAYS HAPPENED!!! You should be t-bagging Trump because he's showing all your hero's asses for what they are. And Trump is still playing the game at the same time. I think the hole is too deep that most people have dug, and they have no way out now. Now Trump is just taking a bulldozer and pushing the dirt on top of them.

It's honestly comical at this point. Impeach the fuck out of him for all I care. It's an utter waste of time and normal people just don't give a shit. Trump is directing some of the greatest political theater the world has seen and the actual outcomes have almost universally been positive for everyone, complainers included.

This is the stuff that gets me the Dems are doing far worse things. Were was everyone with the shit the past administrations were doing, Trump hasn't came close to them. Where did the whole dossier on Trump come from all the past bullshit made up about Trump? The Clintons were running a payola scam with the Clinton Foundation totally swept under the rug along with all their other shit that dwarfs Trump. Now it looks like Biden was doing shit with his son they are all corrupt. Trump is just an asshole and not very polished with the way he handles things, sometimes even seems childish and cringy, but nowhere as corrupt as the democrats and many of the republicans. I use to go back and forth and just try to like and dislike things from both sides but democrats have went to far they are making the way republicans were with Obama look like nothing. Independents are disgusted by both parties but its just to much I think they will be pushed to the right with everything going on.

Speaking of Foreign Interference: The 300+ unmaskings of coincidental wiretaps and the use of taxpayer money against Bibi's previous Election.

And the open and bold Obama support of Remoan.

Onvacation says

jazz_music says

Speaker Pelosi announces the formal investigation to impeach Trump

She's really slurring her speech; botox or vodka?

Vodka. Russian vodka.

Guess who has yet another copy of the Server?

WookieMan says

Here is a letter from 3 Democrat Senators (Menendez, Leahy, Durbin) demanding Ukraine investigate their political opponent (Trump) last year as part of the Russian Hoax.

Yeah, except that is not what happened. It is standard practice that if the investigation is a US one, in this case Mueller's, that a foreign gov can and should cooperate as part of the investigation, which originated in the United States political, pressure can be appropriate. We see this in drug cases all the time. That was what the letter was about, a U S. Investigation.

In this current situation Trump is attempting to get a foreign gov to investigate a political rival while there is no investigation of crimes under US jurisdiction. If Biden or son were under criminal investigation in the U.S.and the justice dept. needed Ukrainian help totally different situation. The justice dept would ask directly. But Trump, with no U.S.investigation occurring
tried to get a foreign gov. to investigate two US citizens for obvious political reasons. That is Banana republic modus operandi. See the difference?

The Dems can't punish Ukraine with aid for helping Trump now, since they are alleging - falsely - that there was quid pro quo from Trump.

Patrick says

At one point, Hunter was making $50,000 a month from Burisma.

I read this morning that Biden's son was actually getting $80,000 per month. And it was Biden who manipulated the Ukraine with the threat of withholding loans, not Trump.

Patrick says

I read this morning that Biden's son was actually getting $80,000 per month. And it was Biden who manipulated the Ukraine with the threat of withholding loans, not Trump.

Try Millions:

“I have the records of $3 million payments laundered to Biden’s son. I have the records. I have the dates. It went from Ukraine, to Latvia to Cyprus, Cyprus to him. That’s called evidence of guilty knowledge… He got $1.5 billion from China! $1.5 Billion!… They bought the Vice President of the United States!” - Rudy Guilliani

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/09/they-have-walked-into-a-trap-rudy-giuliani-destroys-democrat-party-fbi-and-biden-crime-family-must-see-video/

rdm says

WookieMan says

Here is a letter from 3 Democrat Senators (Menendez, Leahy, Durbin) demanding Ukraine investigate their political opponent (Trump) last year as part of the Russian Hoax.

Yeah, except that is not what happened. It is standard practice that if the investigation is a US one, in this case Mueller's, that a foreign gov can and should cooperate as part of the investigation, which originated in the United States political, pressure can be appropriate. We see this in drug cases all the time. That was what the letter was about, a U S. Investigation.

In this current situation Trump is attempting to get a foreign gov to investigate a political rival while there is no investigation of crimes under US jurisdiction. If Biden or son were under criminal investigation in the U.S.and the justice dept. needed Ukrainian help totally different situation. The justice dept would ask directly. B...

CornPoptheOriginalGangster says

The Dems can't punish Ukraine with aid for helping Trump now, since they are alleging - falsely - that there was quid pro quo from Trump.

This is the thing...theres no actual crime, nor any evidence of it. There was literally nothing asked for in return by Ukraine nor was anything agreed to. This is yet another thing that exists only as a leftist hysteria.

rdm says

WookieMan says

Here is a letter from 3 Democrat Senators (Menendez, Leahy, Durbin) demanding Ukraine investigate their political opponent (Trump) last year as part of the Russian Hoax.

Yeah, except that is not what happened. It is standard practice that if the investigation is a US one, in this case Mueller's, that a foreign gov can and should cooperate as part of the investigation, which originated in the United States political, pressure can be appropriate. We see this in drug cases all the time. That was what the letter was about, a U S. Investigation.

In this current situation Trump is attempting to get a foreign gov to investigate a political rival while there is no investigation of crimes under US jurisdiction. If Biden or son were under criminal investigation in the U.S.and the justice dept. needed Ukrainian help totally different situation. The justice dept would ask directly. B...

As YOUR president, Trump is in fact the head of our investigative agencies. He can launch investigations as he wishes. Thus, your logic falls apart.

rdm says

find dirt on

No, not find dirt on, investigate Bidens criminal extortion.

Quick question as I listen to some of this. How is this election interference? What election? Biden is part of the Democratic primaries. It's a political party. This is no different than selecting a president of your local Lions club who may happen to run for President of the country. Why does the intelligence community have any say over this? What is illegal here?

Until Biden is on an actual ballot, for President (NOT a primary) how has any law been violated by what was discussed in the phone call? Maybe I'm missing something someone can point out. This doesn't make sense. The Lions Club could become a political party tomorrow, but their primary process has NOTHING to do with our election of a president in theory.

WookieMan says

Quick question as I listen to some of this. How is this election interference? What election? Biden is part of the Democratic primaries. It's a political party. This is no different than selecting a president of your local Lions club who may happen to run for President of the country. Why does the intelligence community have any say over this? What is illegal here?

Until Biden is on an actual ballot, for President (NOT a primary) how has any law been violated by what was discussed in the phone call? Maybe I'm missing something someone can point out. This doesn't make sense. The Lions Club could become a political party tomorrow, but their primary process has NOTHING to do with our election of a president in theory.

True but we know dems are just looking for anything to throw in the news cycle they have nothing and no other way to beat Trump in 2020. Biden is finished this is all just drama now and I think the SJW far left that is taking over didn't want him to run anyways so they see it as a win win. I guess now its illegal for a sitting president to ever ask questions about past administrations wrongs.

WookieMan says

This is no different than selecting a president of your local Lions club

Haha, the democratic primary's are like a lions club election. How many delegates does the head lion get for winning in Topeka?

Biden is running for President of the USA. To get there he participates in his party nomination process. Trump was either trying to derail his nomination or get dirt for 2020 or both as he thought Biden was both the most likely and most threatening candidate based on all the fake polls which he apparently believed. He was trying to enlist Ukrainian help to fuck up Biden's chances. It's not complicted. It's stupid but not complicated.

rdm says

Biden is running for President of the USA.

So he is. Question: does announcing that one is running for POTUS give him/her immunity from any investigation of his/her and/or his/her family members alleged wrongdoings?

Iranian_Oil_Burse says

does announcing that one is running for POTUS give him/her immunity from any investigation of his/her and/or his/her family members alleged wrongdoings

Of course not but if there was a crime under the foreign corrupt practices act don't you think Barr, Trumps butt licker, would have been all over it? In fact if there was an Investigation started by the Justice, Trump would look a some better. Still very bad but better. So from my point of view there is likely nothing criminal that Hunter did. It is unseemly but not illegal to get huge salary while doing pretty much nothing. Happens on corporate boards everywhere.

https://nypost.com/2017/06/09/joe-bidens-niece-dodges-jail-after-100k-credit-card-scam/
Joe Biden’s niece dodges jail after $100K credit card scam

rdm says

Biden is running for President of the USA.

No he is not. He's running for a party nomination to then run for President. Don't put the cart before the horse. Biden is not on any November 2020 ballot in ANY state in this country. Trump has interfered with ZERO elections regarding this.

Local governments just cooperate with the parties to put them on the ballot so they have an organized way to see who is top dog. Which is then fucked up by super delegates. What law was broken? This has nothing to do with electing the president of the United States. It has to do with who wins a primary for the club called the Democrats and in many year includes the club of Republicans. The federal government has no jurisdiction in this and not one democrat is in the pure sense of the term, running for President. We gonna start saying there was election interference for the Lions Club President, cause that what this is.

This is fucking hysterical. It's almost getting so hysterical it's not even funny. If Biden was not guilty why all the butt hurt over this? It's a distraction. Plain and simple, and no law was violated. I hold an elected office. If I question that Joe Biden hooked his son up and then tried to protect that fact by asking someone else, should I lose my position? Think about it. You're defending an indefensible position.

rdm says

It is unseemly but not illegal to get huge salary while doing pretty much nothing. Happens on corporate boards everywhere.

So why is it a constitutional crisis when some foreigner stays at Maralago?

WookieMan says

This is fucking hysterical. It's almost getting so hysterical it's not even funny. If Biden was not guilty why all the butt hurt over this? It's a distraction. Plain and simple, and no law was violated. I hold an elected office. If I question that Joe Biden hooked his son up and then tried to protect that fact by asking someone else, should I lose my position? Think about it. You're defending an indefensible position.

Wookie, the allegation is that Biden threatened to block US Taxpayer-Government Aid to Ukraine unless the Poroshenko Government fired Viktor Shokin, who was investigating Bursima and their hiring of multiple foreign individuals on their board, paying them outrageous sums (esp. for Ukraine: $80k/month). With no quid pro quo from Trump, the transcripts show that Trump asked Ukraine to determine why the prosecutor was fired. Shokin's firing - he was seen to be a powerful anti-corruption activist - occurred within hours of Biden's alleged demand to the Ukrainian government.

Biden bragging about it is on video from a CFR speech he gave in January of 2018.

The Democrats want the public to think that asking a President to describe why an investigation into a potential criminal act by a US official was cancelled, is worse than the Public Official threatening a foreign government with Congressionally-approved aid being withheld until a criminal investigation into his son is called off.

The MSM is attempting to claim that Trump's request is some how foreign interference in a US Election. More laughable, given that if what Trump is doing was wrong, why wasn't the Obama Admin wrong for using foreign-sourced slander, the Steele Dossier, to get a FISA warrant into officials within the 2016 Trump Election Campaign AFTER he won the primary and was on the ballot in all 50 states.

It's really nothing short of ridiculous.

jazz_music says

no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.”

Obama should give his Nobel prize back.

Onvacation says

Obama should give his Nobel prize back.

Yep. No present, emolument, Office, or Title given to Trump by Ukraine, with or without Congressional Consent. So why Jazz is quoting this is a mystery.

It's just more:

"We got him now!!!!!"
"For What?"
"Uh, uh, uh...."

jazz_music says

Onvacation says

Obama should give his Nobel prize back.

What?

CornPoptheOriginalGangster says

"For What?"

Yeah. What is the high crime or misdemeanor people want Trump impeached for?

"Any profits arising from guests staying at Trump's properties arises, one would think, not from the fact that he has held the office of the presidency for three years but from the rather longer standing one that he owns luxury hotels. (Bill Clinton on the other hand was somewhat newer to the hospitality business when he allowed his most generous financial supporters to rent out the Lincoln Bedroom.) The argument is risible on its face."

Here is the Biden Video, from Left Wing Activist "Secular Talk", hours after he bragged to the CFR audience about having the Ukrainian Prosecutor fired using threats of US Aid Withholding.

www.youtube.com/embed/rtO1OigwfVs

"We're leaving within six hours and if the prosecutor isn't fired, you're not getting the money."

Total Quid Pro Quo. And guess what happened?

Again, this is from Biden's own mouth and presented by anti-Trump Leftist Secular Talk.

CornPoptheOriginalGangster says

Here is the Biden Video, from Left Wing Activist "Secular Talk", hours after he bragged to the CFR audience about having the Ukrainian Prosecutor fired using threats of US Aid Withholding.

www.youtube.com/embed/rtO1OigwfVs

"We're leaving within six hours and if the prosecutor isn't fired, you're not getting the money."

Total Quid Pro Quo. And guess what happened?

Again, this is from Biden's own mouth and presented by anti-Trump Leftist Secular Talk.

Transcript:

"I’ll give you one concrete example. I was—not I, but it just happened to be that was the assignment I got. I got all the good ones. And so I got Ukraine. And I remember going over, convincing our team, our leaders to—convincing that we should be providing for loan guarantees. And I went over, I guess, the 12th, 13th time to Kiev. And I was supposed to announce that there was another billion-dollar loan guarantee. And I had gotten a commitment from Poroshenko and from Yatsenyuk that they would take action against the state prosecutor. And they didn’t.
So they said they had—they were walking out to a press conference. I said, nah, I’m not going to—or, we’re not going to give you the billion dollars. They said, you have no authority. You’re not the president. The president said—I said, call him. (Laughter.) I said, I’m telling you, you’re not getting the billion dollars. I said, you’re not getting the billion. I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours. I looked at them and said: I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money. Well, son of a bitch. (Laughter.) He got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time."

https://www.cfr.org/event/foreign-affairs-issue-launch-former-vice-president-joe-biden