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WookieMan says

Here is a letter from 3 Democrat Senators (Menendez, Leahy, Durbin) demanding Ukraine investigate their political opponent (Trump) last year as part of the Russian Hoax.

Yeah, except that is not what happened. It is standard practice that if the investigation is a US one, in this case Mueller's, that a foreign gov can and should cooperate as part of the investigation, which originated in the United States political, pressure can be appropriate. We see this in drug cases all the time. That was what the letter was about, a U S. Investigation.

In this current situation Trump is attempting to get a foreign gov to investigate a political rival while there is no investigation of crimes under US jurisdiction. If Biden or son were under criminal investigation in the U.S.and the justice dept. needed Ukrainian help totally different situation. The justice dept would ask directly. But Trump, with no U.S.investigation occurring
tried to get a foreign gov. to investigate two US citizens for obvious political reasons. That is Banana republic modus operandi. See the difference?

The Dems can't punish Ukraine with aid for helping Trump now, since they are alleging - falsely - that there was quid pro quo from Trump.

Patrick says

At one point, Hunter was making $50,000 a month from Burisma.

I read this morning that Biden's son was actually getting $80,000 per month. And it was Biden who manipulated the Ukraine with the threat of withholding loans, not Trump.

Patrick says

I read this morning that Biden's son was actually getting $80,000 per month. And it was Biden who manipulated the Ukraine with the threat of withholding loans, not Trump.

Try Millions:

“I have the records of $3 million payments laundered to Biden’s son. I have the records. I have the dates. It went from Ukraine, to Latvia to Cyprus, Cyprus to him. That’s called evidence of guilty knowledge… He got $1.5 billion from China! $1.5 Billion!… They bought the Vice President of the United States!” - Rudy Guilliani

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/09/they-have-walked-into-a-trap-rudy-giuliani-destroys-democrat-party-fbi-and-biden-crime-family-must-see-video/

rdm says

WookieMan says

Here is a letter from 3 Democrat Senators (Menendez, Leahy, Durbin) demanding Ukraine investigate their political opponent (Trump) last year as part of the Russian Hoax.

Yeah, except that is not what happened. It is standard practice that if the investigation is a US one, in this case Mueller's, that a foreign gov can and should cooperate as part of the investigation, which originated in the United States political, pressure can be appropriate. We see this in drug cases all the time. That was what the letter was about, a U S. Investigation.

In this current situation Trump is attempting to get a foreign gov to investigate a political rival while there is no investigation of crimes under US jurisdiction. If Biden or son were under criminal investigation in the U.S.and the justice dept. needed Ukrainian help totally different situation. The justice dept would ask directly. B...

CornPoptheOriginalGangster says

The Dems can't punish Ukraine with aid for helping Trump now, since they are alleging - falsely - that there was quid pro quo from Trump.

This is the thing...theres no actual crime, nor any evidence of it. There was literally nothing asked for in return by Ukraine nor was anything agreed to. This is yet another thing that exists only as a leftist hysteria.

rdm says

WookieMan says

Here is a letter from 3 Democrat Senators (Menendez, Leahy, Durbin) demanding Ukraine investigate their political opponent (Trump) last year as part of the Russian Hoax.

Yeah, except that is not what happened. It is standard practice that if the investigation is a US one, in this case Mueller's, that a foreign gov can and should cooperate as part of the investigation, which originated in the United States political, pressure can be appropriate. We see this in drug cases all the time. That was what the letter was about, a U S. Investigation.

In this current situation Trump is attempting to get a foreign gov to investigate a political rival while there is no investigation of crimes under US jurisdiction. If Biden or son were under criminal investigation in the U.S.and the justice dept. needed Ukrainian help totally different situation. The justice dept would ask directly. B...

As YOUR president, Trump is in fact the head of our investigative agencies. He can launch investigations as he wishes. Thus, your logic falls apart.

rdm says

find dirt on

No, not find dirt on, investigate Bidens criminal extortion.

Quick question as I listen to some of this. How is this election interference? What election? Biden is part of the Democratic primaries. It's a political party. This is no different than selecting a president of your local Lions club who may happen to run for President of the country. Why does the intelligence community have any say over this? What is illegal here?

Until Biden is on an actual ballot, for President (NOT a primary) how has any law been violated by what was discussed in the phone call? Maybe I'm missing something someone can point out. This doesn't make sense. The Lions Club could become a political party tomorrow, but their primary process has NOTHING to do with our election of a president in theory.

WookieMan says

Quick question as I listen to some of this. How is this election interference? What election? Biden is part of the Democratic primaries. It's a political party. This is no different than selecting a president of your local Lions club who may happen to run for President of the country. Why does the intelligence community have any say over this? What is illegal here?

Until Biden is on an actual ballot, for President (NOT a primary) how has any law been violated by what was discussed in the phone call? Maybe I'm missing something someone can point out. This doesn't make sense. The Lions Club could become a political party tomorrow, but their primary process has NOTHING to do with our election of a president in theory.

True but we know dems are just looking for anything to throw in the news cycle they have nothing and no other way to beat Trump in 2020. Biden is finished this is all just drama now and I think the SJW far left that is taking over didn't want him to run anyways so they see it as a win win. I guess now its illegal for a sitting president to ever ask questions about past administrations wrongs.

WookieMan says

This is no different than selecting a president of your local Lions club

Haha, the democratic primary's are like a lions club election. How many delegates does the head lion get for winning in Topeka?

Biden is running for President of the USA. To get there he participates in his party nomination process. Trump was either trying to derail his nomination or get dirt for 2020 or both as he thought Biden was both the most likely and most threatening candidate based on all the fake polls which he apparently believed. He was trying to enlist Ukrainian help to fuck up Biden's chances. It's not complicted. It's stupid but not complicated.

rdm says

Biden is running for President of the USA.

So he is. Question: does announcing that one is running for POTUS give him/her immunity from any investigation of his/her and/or his/her family members alleged wrongdoings?

Iranian_Oil_Burse says

does announcing that one is running for POTUS give him/her immunity from any investigation of his/her and/or his/her family members alleged wrongdoings

Of course not but if there was a crime under the foreign corrupt practices act don't you think Barr, Trumps butt licker, would have been all over it? In fact if there was an Investigation started by the Justice, Trump would look a some better. Still very bad but better. So from my point of view there is likely nothing criminal that Hunter did. It is unseemly but not illegal to get huge salary while doing pretty much nothing. Happens on corporate boards everywhere.

https://nypost.com/2017/06/09/joe-bidens-niece-dodges-jail-after-100k-credit-card-scam/
Joe Biden’s niece dodges jail after $100K credit card scam

rdm says

Biden is running for President of the USA.

No he is not. He's running for a party nomination to then run for President. Don't put the cart before the horse. Biden is not on any November 2020 ballot in ANY state in this country. Trump has interfered with ZERO elections regarding this.

Local governments just cooperate with the parties to put them on the ballot so they have an organized way to see who is top dog. Which is then fucked up by super delegates. What law was broken? This has nothing to do with electing the president of the United States. It has to do with who wins a primary for the club called the Democrats and in many year includes the club of Republicans. The federal government has no jurisdiction in this and not one democrat is in the pure sense of the term, running for President. We gonna start saying there was election interference for the Lions Club President, cause that what this is.

This is fucking hysterical. It's almost getting so hysterical it's not even funny. If Biden was not guilty why all the butt hurt over this? It's a distraction. Plain and simple, and no law was violated. I hold an elected office. If I question that Joe Biden hooked his son up and then tried to protect that fact by asking someone else, should I lose my position? Think about it. You're defending an indefensible position.

rdm says

It is unseemly but not illegal to get huge salary while doing pretty much nothing. Happens on corporate boards everywhere.

So why is it a constitutional crisis when some foreigner stays at Maralago?

WookieMan says

This is fucking hysterical. It's almost getting so hysterical it's not even funny. If Biden was not guilty why all the butt hurt over this? It's a distraction. Plain and simple, and no law was violated. I hold an elected office. If I question that Joe Biden hooked his son up and then tried to protect that fact by asking someone else, should I lose my position? Think about it. You're defending an indefensible position.

Wookie, the allegation is that Biden threatened to block US Taxpayer-Government Aid to Ukraine unless the Poroshenko Government fired Viktor Shokin, who was investigating Bursima and their hiring of multiple foreign individuals on their board, paying them outrageous sums (esp. for Ukraine: $80k/month). With no quid pro quo from Trump, the transcripts show that Trump asked Ukraine to determine why the prosecutor was fired. Shokin's firing - he was seen to be a powerful anti-corruption activist - occurred within hours of Biden's alleged demand to the Ukrainian government.

Biden bragging about it is on video from a CFR speech he gave in January of 2018.

The Democrats want the public to think that asking a President to describe why an investigation into a potential criminal act by a US official was cancelled, is worse than the Public Official threatening a foreign government with Congressionally-approved aid being withheld until a criminal investigation into his son is called off.

The MSM is attempting to claim that Trump's request is some how foreign interference in a US Election. More laughable, given that if what Trump is doing was wrong, why wasn't the Obama Admin wrong for using foreign-sourced slander, the Steele Dossier, to get a FISA warrant into officials within the 2016 Trump Election Campaign AFTER he won the primary and was on the ballot in all 50 states.

It's really nothing short of ridiculous.

jazz_music says

no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.”

Obama should give his Nobel prize back.

Onvacation says

Obama should give his Nobel prize back.

Yep. No present, emolument, Office, or Title given to Trump by Ukraine, with or without Congressional Consent. So why Jazz is quoting this is a mystery.

It's just more:

"We got him now!!!!!"
"For What?"
"Uh, uh, uh...."

jazz_music says

Onvacation says

Obama should give his Nobel prize back.

What?

CornPoptheOriginalGangster says

"For What?"

Yeah. What is the high crime or misdemeanor people want Trump impeached for?

"Any profits arising from guests staying at Trump's properties arises, one would think, not from the fact that he has held the office of the presidency for three years but from the rather longer standing one that he owns luxury hotels. (Bill Clinton on the other hand was somewhat newer to the hospitality business when he allowed his most generous financial supporters to rent out the Lincoln Bedroom.) The argument is risible on its face."

Here is the Biden Video, from Left Wing Activist "Secular Talk", hours after he bragged to the CFR audience about having the Ukrainian Prosecutor fired using threats of US Aid Withholding.

www.youtube.com/embed/rtO1OigwfVs

"We're leaving within six hours and if the prosecutor isn't fired, you're not getting the money."

Total Quid Pro Quo. And guess what happened?

Again, this is from Biden's own mouth and presented by anti-Trump Leftist Secular Talk.

CornPoptheOriginalGangster says

Here is the Biden Video, from Left Wing Activist "Secular Talk", hours after he bragged to the CFR audience about having the Ukrainian Prosecutor fired using threats of US Aid Withholding.

www.youtube.com/embed/rtO1OigwfVs

"We're leaving within six hours and if the prosecutor isn't fired, you're not getting the money."

Total Quid Pro Quo. And guess what happened?

Again, this is from Biden's own mouth and presented by anti-Trump Leftist Secular Talk.

Transcript:

"I’ll give you one concrete example. I was—not I, but it just happened to be that was the assignment I got. I got all the good ones. And so I got Ukraine. And I remember going over, convincing our team, our leaders to—convincing that we should be providing for loan guarantees. And I went over, I guess, the 12th, 13th time to Kiev. And I was supposed to announce that there was another billion-dollar loan guarantee. And I had gotten a commitment from Poroshenko and from Yatsenyuk that they would take action against the state prosecutor. And they didn’t.
So they said they had—they were walking out to a press conference. I said, nah, I’m not going to—or, we’re not going to give you the billion dollars. They said, you have no authority. You’re not the president. The president said—I said, call him. (Laughter.) I said, I’m telling you, you’re not getting the billion dollars. I said, you’re not getting the billion. I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours. I looked at them and said: I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money. Well, son of a bitch. (Laughter.) He got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time."

https://www.cfr.org/event/foreign-affairs-issue-launch-former-vice-president-joe-biden

There's another problem for Democrats:

Was Biden Bluffing or did Obama give him permission to threaten Ukraine with aid cutoff if they didn't fire the prosecutor to get their CONGRESSIONAL approved US Aid?

But centrist donors threaten to pause on Warren which will likely giving Trump a win, so they better revive Uncle Joe.

Lol just saw there's a congressman Quigley.

jazz_music says

Try looking up the word "emolument."

Yep, I know what it means.

An emolument is what Hunter Biden got from Bursima to the tune of $80k/month.

There is literally no reference to salaries or any other compensation for either President for any favors done in the entire Phone Call Transcript.

CornPoptheOriginalGangster says

did Obama give him permission to threaten Ukraine with aid cutoff

As much as I dislike all this circus of IMPARTIAL! MEDIA! blaming Trump for Biden's son's corruption, I very, very strongly doubt that Obama had anything to do with it because the whole payoff setup is so petty and stupid that only a senile imbecile would go through with it, and Obama is not THE senile imbecile.

It swings both ways 6rdB.

If Obama didn't give him permission, then Biden was lying to Porky, and he's out there by himself. Obama's endorsement (which is mysteriously not happening, maybe this is why) can be forgotten about. No more wrapping himself in Obama's Admin, which is a huge incentive for Dems to vote for him.

If Obama did give him permission, then the circus has just begun!

Either way, big win!

Wherever Joe Biden went, son Hunter cashed in

https://nypost.com/2019/09/26/wherever-joe-biden-went-son-hunter-cashed-in/

With all that credibility that the democrats have built over the last three years, trump is in real trouble this time.

Tim Aurora says

Misc says

As YOUR president, Trump is in fact the head of our investigative agencies. He can launch investigations as he wishes. Thus, your logic falls apart.

Not to investigate his political rivals with a foreign government. BTW, you just invoked defense #2

http://patrick.net/post/1327444/2019-09-23-trump-defense-team-rule-book

Running for office does not make Joe Biden and/or his son above the law. You seem to want to impeach Trump for exposing the Bidens.

Booger says

Wherever Joe Biden went, son Hunter cashed in

Just a coincidence!