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Only if the FDA has approved it.

Booger says

There's the weasel word..."unethical". Who determines what is unethical?

Should be "humanity's".

Grammar matters for credibility.

Rin says

richwicks says

It's not like physics. I question if biology is really even a science at all, or if medicine is a science of any sort

Yes, it's a science, an extension of applied chemistry for biological systems.

Oh yeah? Give me some models.

The basis of any science is a model, anything else is just a group of hypotheses and postulates. What new predictions can one made in biology? The only one I'm aware of, and I admit I'm a layman, is evolutionary change given a different environment.

It's a baby "science" at this point. I put it at the level of alchemy versus physics. In physics, we can fold a protein now, but that took a damned long time. The first attempt was done by IBM, and the protein wiggled for 6 months, but never folded. We are still learning in physics, but we have a ton of good models which are extremely accurate. That's why you're able to read this. Any idea how fucking small the traces are on your computer chip? We're dealing with electron tunneling now.

That's in the realm of Quantum Mechanics, for chemistry - it's ALL QM, and in biochemistry, it's built upon that. It's a mountain, and climbing the molehill of silicon, that was quite a climb. You're going to need computers.

Karloff says

Homeopathy is complete junk. Dilute some substance in water over and over to the point where it doesn't even exist anymore, and claim the "memory" of the substance is somehow healing you.

It does sound crazy. And yet there is a homeopath in the same office where my brother in law went, that was a PHD in pharmaceutical research. She found that inexplicably so, the more she diluted opioids, he more potent they became in her lab experiments. This is what started her career as a homeopath.

PeopleUnited says

She found that inexplicably so, the more she diluted opioids, he more potent they became in her lab experiments.

If true, then it could be the basis for a boom in opioid sales! Just keep diluting it and keep selling it.

PeopleUnited says

It does sound crazy.

Because it is for the suckers that buy into it.

Andreas Backhaus
@AndreasShrugged
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I was recently reminded by a (German) MD that medicine as a study program doesn't aim at qualifying for scientific medical research. You can get through the program without having read a single paper or having analyzed data.
1:19 PM · Jul 1, 2021

Adam
@AdamDopamine


97% of doctors agree with XX policy.

Meaningless

This is a Lie of Consensus

As an MD, I can attest that the vast majority of docs (outside Unis) do ZERO primary research. We know what we read in journals, learn at conferences, or hear on lay news

When someone says, “the vast majority of doctors agree with XX”, it is akin to saying 17 Intelligence Agencies agree.

One finds the information and tells the rest. And the rest agree to agree.

Explains why so many GPs act as simplistic expert systems. Feed in a few symptoms, get a limited number of possible causes and treatments out of them. Anything that doesn't match gets referred to a specialist or shrugged shoulders in response. Also why they defer to recommendations of others instead of themselves so often and are so tied to orthodoxy.

It's unsettling to realise that your revered doctors are little more than automatons who just follow a set of instructions written by others.

The water... remembers...

If that's so, don't go swimming at the Jersey Shore, because the Water remembers all the Hepatitis infected needles dumped in it, and it's been diluted for decades now.

PeopleUnited says

It does sound crazy. And yet there is a homeopath in the same office where my brother in law went, that was a PHD in pharmaceutical research. She found that inexplicably so, the more she diluted opioids, he more potent they became in her lab experiments. This is what started her career as a homeopath.

We'd have to rewrite all of chemistry and physics, since those little homeopathic bottles often don't contain the equivalent of one molecule of the substance that's supposed to be in them.

It's medieval bullshit, like mandrake root looks like a man, so it must cure manly problems.

The placebo effect is truly real though.

The only thing small amounts of something are useful for I know of is for allergies, but I don't know if this is considered homeopathy, there are real amounts of allergens in the shots or tinctures. Similar to eating local honey. There is some research backing this.

richwicks says

That's in the realm of Quantum Mechanics, for chemistry - it's ALL QM, and in biochemistry, it's built upon that. It's a mountain, and climbing the molehill of silicon, that was quite a climb. You're going to need computers.

We were always going to need computers, esp once you consider the difficulty of artificial organ systems.

The following exterior dialysis machine, once miniaturized and placed in the body, will need a lot more computational power with feedback loops, coming from other organ systems, than some guy tweaking the dials to maintain homeostasis.

https://www.ntd.com/13-year-old-suffers-severe-side-effects-after-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine_635997.html?utm_source=patrick.net&utm_medium=patrick.net&utm_campaign=patrick.net

So rare, so rare.

And yet every day, everywhere, cases of people severely damaged or killed by the jab.

richwicks says

The basis of any science is a model, anything else is just a group of hypotheses and postulates. What new predictions can one made in biology? The only one I'm aware of, and I admit I'm a layman, is evolutionary change given a different environment.

It's a baby "science" at this point. I put it at the level of alchemy versus physics.

@richwicks I find it helpful to look at Biology as a scientific endeavor to describe and define the workings of a complex system of nanotechnology. It’s nanotechnology that we have no blueprints for, it’s also the same tech that lets us exist and think and eat and poop and fuck and do research. Life is nanotechnology. It’s so advanced and complex that we still struggle to understand the RULES by which it functions, let alone the particulars of each basic function.

Immune science is mostly guesswork based on the few factors which we’ve got information on, then it’s practically mad science to experiment to figure out new things about the extremely complex immunological systems. We don’t know HALF of what we should know to safely and responsibly manipulate immune systems.

Now, we have a new experiment in immune technology, said to be a cure for a new and weird viruses. We have no idea how it will truly work in the body, or how it will work differently in different bodies, or whether long term effects of this will be bad for the body. We don’t know SHIT to make this vaccine safe! That’s why the gold standard has been 3-4 years of testing before we use it on the public. That’s because many vaccine formulations interact with the immune systems of some people to actually ENHANCE the viral action, helping it enter and infect cells. This effect is usually not observed at first. The dengue vaccine from the 70s was one of these, and sadly was released to widespread vaccinations before it was discovered that it was making infections much worse instead of milder. But hey, most of the people vaccinated were southeast Asians so no biggie… right? But it set the standard we’ve used up until this year: no widespread use on the public until it’s been tested for long term viral enhancement.

Now we took that safety measure away. Everyone who’s been vaccinated with Covid19 vaccines is taking a terrible risk. In a year or three, a common cold might kill them dead thanks to viral enhancement. We just don’t know, and that should be scary to everyone who’s been vaccinated, has a loved one or friend who’s been vaccinated, or is considering being vaccinated.

Shaman says

I find it helpful to look at Biology as a scientific endeavor to describe and define the workings of a complex system of nanotechnology.

It's a scientific endeavor certainly, but I'm saying, biology and medicine - they're not sciences - not yet.

Shaman says

Now we took that safety measure away. Everyone who’s been vaccinated with Covid19 vaccines is taking a terrible risk. In a year or three, a common cold might kill them dead thanks to viral enhancement. We just don’t know, and that should be scary to everyone who’s been vaccinated, has a loved one or friend who’s been vaccinated, or is considering being vaccinated.

And I agree with this entirely. We simply don't know, or at least, I don't. Maybe, possibly, somebody does but I don't trust their advice. If there's somebody out there that can make a good reliable prediction of what these vaccinations will do, I don't trust them to be working on my behalf and for my health.

I'm sure you've heard the concept of "useless eaters" - who are they? They're people like me. I make toys as an engineer. That's my job. NOTHING I've made do you actually need. You know who the important people are - the ones that make food. Farmers are absolutely, desperately essential.

If every politician, businessman, soldier, general, engineer, lawyer, data analyst, accountant, tax advisor, tax collector, teacher, professor, wall street investor etc - died - you know what would be left over?

A paradise. Our society creates it's own damned problems. I didn't mean to become part of the enemy by becoming an engineer, but I'm reconsidering my viewpoint on what I've done. I feel an obligation to destroy centralization - that will be a good thing I believe. I think people must communicate, but there's no reason for conflict. That's pointless, and wasteful.

Shaman says

In a year or three, a common cold might kill them dead thanks to viral enhancement. We just don’t know

A lot of people have died of blood clots, an obviously very common occurrence going by many reports of deaths from the jab so far.

But the biggest risk, imho, is the increased likelihood of death when a vaxxed fool gets his or her next coronavirus infection.

Remember that when they tried this with animals, all of the animals died when they next got a coronavirus infection. All of them. 100%

Dude....i told my sister what happened to me after getting the vaccine.....I told her...DO NOT GET vaxxed....you are young and perfectly healthy. Covid has no chance of killing you. She listened and agreed.

Now I learned she got vaxxed and half her face is numb along with other side effects.....you cant fix stupid. I will never get that poisonous jab again. Next year, when they push this shit again I just lie to my family and relatives...."yeah, sure, i got the jab again"....while thinking, go fuck yourself.

just_passing_through says

PeopleUnited says

It does sound crazy.

Because it is for the suckers that buy into it.

My brother in law is happy to enjoy life without constant SOB and inhaler prescriptions.

Shaman says

Life is nanotechnology.

That is a decent description, and it acknowledges that life requires a Creator. Technology is the result of intelligent design.

PeopleUnited says

just_passing_through says

PeopleUnited says

It does sound crazy.

Because it is for the suckers that buy into it.

My brother in law is happy to enjoy life without constant SOB and inhaler prescriptions.

Actually when it comes to asthma it is one of the things that is totally overdiagnosed. If you have asthma you know it, i.e.you have spells where you can hardly breathe, if you have occasional wheezing and air hunger you do not have asthma. I agree to stay away from inhalers unless you really need them, or you have bad !covid! Many people lose their "asthma" troubles simply by being around the ocean or in the mountains for a prolonged time or taking NAC and other supplements.

Karloff says

Explains why so many GPs act as simplistic expert systems. Feed in a few symptoms, get a limited number of possible causes and treatments out of them. Anything that doesn't match gets referred to a specialist or shrugged shoulders in response. Also why they defer to recommendations of others instead of themselves so often and are so tied to orthodoxy.

It's unsettling to realise that your revered doctors are little more than automatons who just follow a set of instructions written by others.

What did you think they were? Anyone who does not have a healthy dose of skepticism regarding doctors has forgotten that all doctors are human with extremely limited capacity for understanding anything that does not support their wealth/income, social status and worldview.

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

The placebo effect is truly real though.

‘‘Tis true. I believe there is data that antidepressants compared to any other intervention including diet change, exercise plan, meditation etc... are essentially all equal in efficacy at reducing “depression.”

mell says

Many people lose their "asthma" troubles simply by being around the ocean or in the mountains for a prolonged time or taking NAC and other supplements.

That could very well be. And my brother in law apparently could not move to the mountains or coast, but did find relief from a remedy.

https://www.ntd.com/linkedin-deletes-account-of-mrna-vaccine-pioneer-who-questioned-risks-of-covid-19-shots_636985.html?utm_source=patrick.net&utm_medium=patrick.net&utm_campaign=patrick.net

LinkedIn Deletes Account of mRNA Vaccine Pioneer Who Questioned Risks of COVID-19 Shots

Few more field stories. My wife had lunch with a friend who belongs to several Republican and conservative groups around Santa Cruz. She was also in DC on Jan. 6.
She told my wife her groups have had three people die shortly after the jab (weeks), all older than 60. None ever had Covid that they were aware of.

She also was questioned by FBI who came to her home. The questions were all leading questions trying to get her to say protesters were violent. They asked if she knew any with guns or weapons. They wanted her to rat people out. She said everybody was peaceful, and everybody she met were wonderful. She said it was clearly not what they wanted to hear, but they left and left her alone.

Ceffer says

everybody was peaceful, and everybody she met were wonderful

This is the universal experience at all Trump rallies.

Immense happiness at meeting each other and knowing that you are not alone in objecting to corporate-liberal tyranny.

PEOPLE STILL WAIT IN LINE TO GET A SHOT, WHILE AN INJECTED PERSON IS CARRIED AWAY BY AMBULANCE!

https://www.ntd.com/ukraine-investigates-cause-of-mans-death-after-covid-19-shot_637449.html?utm_source=patrick.net&utm_medium=patrick.net&utm_campaign=patrick.net

Ukraine’s health ministry is investigating why a 47-year-old man died four hours after he received a shot of the Pfizer coronavirus vaccine, the ministry said late on Friday.

Onvacation says

PEOPLE STILL WAIT IN LINE TO GET A SHOT, WHILE AN INJECTED PERSON IS CARRIED AWAY BY AMBULANCE!

Those in line are telling each other, "THAT MEANS IT'S WORKING!"

porkchopexpress says

Those in line are telling each other, "THAT MEANS IT'S WORKING!"

Yup. Just the way the eugenicists wanted it to.

https://nypost.com/2021/07/05/michigan-boy-dies-in-his-sleep-three-days-after-getting-vaccine/

porkchopexpress says

"THAT MEANS IT'S WORKING!"

Lol!
This is what someone said when a woman was going through massive headaches for a week long after jab and CT scan later at my neighborhood.