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mell says

If you can't safely save money at a good enough rate to outpace inflation you're at the whim of speculation/investing or of your employer and savings account

Totally, the poor are fucked. Middle class has to invest in stocks, crypto and RE. no other way to stay ahead.

HeadSet says

Patrick says

True, my stocks seem to have nicely compensated for inflation, while my cash lost.

Paper stock gains verses real cash purchase power losses?

Yes.

https://notthebee.com/article/get-ready-us-electricity-costs-have-spiked-the-most-in-over-a-decade-and-its-not-even-winter-yet

https://notthebee.com/article/inflation-in-america-just-reached-its-highest-level-in-30-years

https://notthebee.com/article/president-biden-did-you-ever-think-youd-be-paying-this-much-for-a-gallon-of-gas

I didn't make it up. He really said that. And he said it on the day U.S. inflation came in at a 31-year-high.

Now THERE is a sound byte for the ages.

Food prices going up...just increase the amount of food stamps some more.

Bitcoin says

mell says

If you can't safely save money at a good enough rate to outpace inflation you're at the whim of speculation/investing or of your employer and savings account

Totally, the poor are fucked. Middle class has to invest in stocks, crypto and RE. no other way to stay ahead.

You must live in some sort of bizarro alternate world.

It’s the average Joe that would be fucked. And your premise earlier that everyone’s underwater is not correct either. 2018 and 2019 financially were some of the best years in a couple decades for the average dude. It’s why wages were record setting. Of course Covid and a likely rigged election messed that up.

But anyway, yeah inflation now. Air flight are still underpopulated so not a good measure. Otoh US measured inflation is, as is noticeable price increases at the grocery store including with entirely domestic items like dairy and fresh meat. You’d be blind not to notice.

Good luck getting the unwashed masses to invest like you state. Better would be a federal government t hat raised interest rates substantially and quit printing money left and right.

Inflation is not a “gift” for investors, but investing provides some protection against it, unlike cash in the bank.

clambo says

Inflation is not a “gift” for investors

Correct. Inflation is a gift for irresponsible debtors.

HeadSet says

Correct. Inflation is a gift for irresponsible debtors.

Debtors, irresponsible or not.

Banks had over a decade of ZIRP. It's time to give to the debtors now.

6% inflation + 3.5% fixed rate = awesome for homebuyers (assuming they get some COLA)

Savers can finally get a decent CD or be in the stock market.

CaptainHorsePaste says

Savers can finally get a decent CD or be in the stock market.

I see the inflation everywhere, but I have not see decent CD rates.

CaptainHorsePaste says

Debtors, irresponsible or not.

More the irresponsible debtors. People who borrowed to invest in business see their daily costs for that business increase. People who overextended to buy consumer goods just see their folly rewarded a bit.

HeadSet says

I see the inflation everywhere, but I have not see decent CD rates.

ZIRP will end and the CDs will have to offer above inflation to be worth a damn.

When the free bankster money stops.

HeadSet says

clambo says

Inflation is not a “gift” for investors

Correct. Inflation is a gift for irresponsible debtors.

Wage inflation is a gift for irresponsible debtors.

But do we have as much wage inflation as cost of living inflation?

Patrick says

Wage inflation is a gift for irresponsible debtors.

True economic inflation includes both wages and prices. And yes, I would say the wage part is inflating. Around here, Job that were minimum wage are going begging at $15-$20 an hour. Government checks like Social Security will get a 5% increase this January.

Added comic to original post.

good one.

They seem to be taking this stance that the bill will help fight inflation. I think it will make it worse, at least in the short term, due to more spending. Infrastructure like new ports and roads will take years to build, and thus so will their contributions to supply chain efficiency that could give some inflation relief.

Either:
- They expect inflation to be short lived, which would allow them to falsely take credit for "fixing it" with their bill.
- They expect inflation to be long lived, and are positioning their rhetoric and actions accordingly, easing us into the new era of high inflation, making the poor more dependant on them, while enriching their rich asset-flush donors masters.

So far I've been more in the camp that the inflation will be short lived, but my left eyebrow is starting to rise. Our national debt is high, and I've heard many say that inflating the debt away is our only realistic option given that americans have zero appetite for austerity. I wouldn't be too surprised if we enter a period of engineered high inflation. Seeing our gas prices surge, while also seeing Xoe approve russian pipelines while stopping our pipeline projects and halting drilling smells bad.

Also, I was just at the grocery store. Beef and Bacon prices seemed about 30-40% higher than 2-3 weeks ago, although many other prices were about the same or less dramatic increases. Might be targeted supply restrictions on farting cows, so bill gates can sell us eco-safe boca burgers grown on his farmland holdings (staffed with all his newly hired illegals, supplied to him by the dems)? lol

https://babylonbee.com/news/biden-vows-to-keep-firing-his-giant-money-hose-at-everything-until-inflation-is-fixed

That means he is throwing gas on fire to control fire. There’s no credible reason to believe inflation will be controlled by firing people and intensify production and supply problems for his dangerous injections as a big pharma representative. All responsible savers get f* both by irresponsible spenders and gov.

"experts" are always wrong.

I read this book back in college, and it was great:

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/836773.The_Experts_Speak




It's just a book of quotes by "experts" being very wrong.

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says
You must live in some sort of bizarro alternate world.


>>>>>nope, its not bizarre at all. money printing + long interest rates = asset inflation, add covid supply shortages and people who dont want to work to the equation and you have inflation across the board.

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

It’s the average Joe that would be fucked.

>>>>>maybe we have a diff. definition of avg joe. I simplify: people who have' houses and stocks/crypto and have good paying jobs are just fine. The poor are fucked. poor means no stocks and no house. And people who wait for a crash and sit on cash are losing big time.


FuckTheMainstreamMedia says
And your premise earlier that everyone’s underwater is not correct either. 2018 and 2019 financially were some of the best years in a couple decades for the average dude. It’s why wages were record setting. Of course Covid and a likely rigged election messed that up.


>>>>>>when did i say everyone's under water? BTW 2020 was better than 2019.....i bought stocks left and right during the covid crash - a buying opportunity of a lifetime if you bought the lows.

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says
But anyway, yeah inflation now. Air flight are still underpopulated so not a good measure. Otoh US measured inflation is, as is noticeable price i...

>>>>>I flew twice to the east cost in the past few months. Airports are packed and flights are full. You can fly for 300 bucks with Alaska air to Newark and back to San Diego. Not that I care (the company pays for it) but its dirt cheap. Sure other items are up (groceries, gas) but my house, stocks and crypto also massively increased in value.

You just got to learn how to play the game in any market.

I am not so sure we will see inflation. Some comments from a spat between Dorsey and Cathie Wood (where Dorsey said hyperinflation was coming)...
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Wood said the three roots of deflation will be:

Technologically enabled innovation, which will be the "most potent source." This includes artificial intelligence, an industry whose training costs have been dropping 40%-70% at an annual rate, in what she called a record-breaking deflationary force. "AI is likely to transform every sector, industry, and company" over the next 5-10 years, she said.

Creative destruction due to disruptive innovation. Many companies, she said, have catered to short-term-oriented shareholders who mainly seek profit, instead of investing in innovation. These companies "will be forced to service their debts by selling increasingly obsolete goods at discounts: deflation," she added.

Cyclical factors. After shutting down, many business are still catching up to consumer demand that surged during the pandemic and are likely ordering double or triple what they typically need. But she predicted that wave will pass. "Once the holiday season passes and companies face excess supplies, prices should unwind," she said, adding that some commodity prices such as lumber and iron ore have dropped 50%.

She also said oil demand is below 2019 levels, and rising prices should weaken it. Meanwhile, the ESG trend is forcing energy companies to shift investments toward renewables, and banks are lending less to the sector. Plus, electric vehicles are taking off, "sowing the seeds of a serious oil price decline longer term."

Bitcoin says

Sure other items are up (groceries, gas) but my house, stocks and crypto also massively increased in value.

You just got to learn how to play the game in any market.

So to stay ahead of the game, all you need to do is gamble and win!

After watching long enough, I am very convinced that deflation will never happen. Corrupt gov thinks it’s a gift to print even more money in additon to the regular printing. Imagine now with new “social spending” crap, it will bump up more inflammation. Every nation is devaluing their currency. Only difference is that it’s happening at faster rate now using “pandemic” tool.

Blue says

After watching long enough, I am very convinced that deflation will never happen. Corrupt gov thinks it’s a gift to print even more money in additon to the regular printing. Imagine now with new “social spending” crap, it will bump up more inflammation. Every nation is devaluing their currency. Only difference is that it’s happening at faster rate now using “pandemic” tool.

Agreed

For average Americans with debt, inflation is a gift. Sure it’s going to suck for a few years while wages adjust to the new fiscal reality, but everything you owe money on is going to become worth more while your debt depreciates.
Example: you owe $500,000 on your home valued at $600,000. You make $100,000 a year. After five years of this sort of inflation, the home is now worth $900,000 and the debt is the same. Thanks to market forces and employment being tight, you have managed to swing a commensurate 50% raise and now make $150,000 annually. Your income and house are now 50% greater, but your debt hasn’t changed much at all. In fact, it’s decreased slightly, meaning that the $3000 mortgage payment that used to tax you severely is now quite affordable and as a percentage of your salary has dropped from (100,000/$36,000=36% - 150,000/36,000= 24% = 36-24= 12%) 36% of your income to a mere 24%, a 12% drop, or 1/3 drop from where it used to be. You owe $465,000 now, about half what your house is worth, compared to the 83% that used to belong to the bank.
Yes, everything else is now more expensive as well, but none of your expenses are as much as your housing expense, and you have more of your income available to pay for them.
And your subjective wealth has grown by $400,000. You are now almost a half millionaire!

komputodo says

Imagine now with new “social spending” crap, it will bump up more inflammation.

Inflammation, surely a typo but also kinda accurate. When the government prints money with reckless abandon the end result is red hot swollen prices.

komputodo says

all you need to do is gamble and win!

buying RE, stock and crypto as a long term investment is not gambling.....going to vegas and putting all on red is gambling.

Shaman says

For average Americans with debt, inflation is a gift.

Thank you for the example....i am too lazy to spell it out. Glad you took the time....thats spot on. those that hold cash and see investing as gambling lose big time during inflation.

the funny thing is, many complained about only having 2-2.5% inflation the last few years. Now that we finally have some inflation, people complain about gas prices and milk prices going up. People just always need to complain about something.

Bitcoin says

many complained about only having 2-2.5% inflation the last few years.

Now who did that?

https://www.vice.com/en/article/wxd8wy/the-used-tractor-market-is-far-wilder-than-the-used-car-market?utm_source=patrick.net&utm_medium=patrick.net&utm_campaign=patrick.net

Shortages for parts getting worse I see it here and there at work some of my wait times for parts are up a few weeks, use to be everything was overnight.

Appliances pars take anywhere from 2 weeks to 3 months + here. Everythinh "on backorder". Fucked up. Let's go brandon!

I work on some industrial automation systems when the parts start being delayed for the parts delivery systems shit will cascade.

mell says

Fucked up

My mechanic says parts quality is in the trash! Had a chunk fall out of the casing of the two year old starter on my '96 Roadmaster less than a year ago. Last week, the same thing happened. Fixed under warranty, but had to pay for r&r. I'm getting tired of it. My friend who's in the electronics business says their quality is terrible, too.

Bitcoin says

those that hold cash and see investing as gambling lose big time during inflation.

During the boom of the mid-60's, the stock market kept flirting with 1,000 in 1966, but never got above about 940. There was a date in 1966 that it would take the stock market until 1983 to reach again due to the Great Inflation of the 70's. Securities lost 40% of their value during that time.