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WineHorror1 says

WookieMan says

What the fuck are we doing?

Ask the devil, he's in charge right now.

No. He's not.

We are in charge.

It's the continual war. I was the biggest most vocal atheist 15 years ago. I would have attacked your reasoning and thinking process if you expressed you had belief in ANY god then, and I was extremely effective at doing this, and I had and still have sound arguments.

But I was wrong. It appears that there is a true war between good and evil. Whether this transcends our mortality, I don't know, but it's there. I cannot deny it now. The war on this, it will never end. It's a struggle of our species.

I think we must be improving. We are in a far more gentle and peaceful society than we were 200 or 2000 years ago. I have great hope and confidence that if the war ever ends, the deserving will win.

HeadSet says

Patrick says

It's like they're actively trying to piss people off.

Or maybe scared shitless of a "control group" as the virus winds down.

It's winding down fast.

richwicks says

But I was wrong. It appears that there is a true war between good and evil. Whether this transcends our mortality, I don't know, but it's there. I cannot deny it now. The war on this, it will never end. It's a struggle of our species.

Exactly, and the war is for the hearts and minds of the human race. We’ve had some great teachers over the millennia: Abraham, Solomon, Buddha, Jesus, Paul. They’ve moved the human race towards the good and away from the evil. But, unfortunately, the evil is always with us because WE are always with us. All the evil of the human race lives like a wolf inside our own hearts. And all the good like a faithful dog as well. What comes out of us depends on which canine we feed.

Maybe my favorite quote ever:

"If only it were all so simple. If only there were evil people somewhere
insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them
from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts
through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of
his own heart?" - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

Aleksandr is almost paraphrasing scripture.

“Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught? But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭15:17-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬
https://www.bible.com/1/mat.15.17-20.kjv

“The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭17:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬
https://www.bible.com/1/jer.17.9.kjv

“Who can say, I have made my heart clean, I am pure from my sin?”
‭‭Proverbs‬ ‭20:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬
https://www.bible.com/1/pro.20.9.kjv

But God can redeem that which is lost by the power of His word.

“For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4:12-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬
https://www.bible.com/1/heb.4.12-13.kjv

Keep in mind that the word “heart” in biblical, poetical context is another word for one’s subconscious mind. It’s a powerful and powerfully important part of your mind. Perhaps the most important part. Not only does it control your autonomic bodily functions like heart rate, digestion, posture, kinesthetics (how could your conscious mind EVER calculate the speed, angle, drop, and trajectory of a baseball in time to catch or hit it?), but the subconscious is our emotional seat. It’s the source of our emotional well-being. If your heart is sick, you’ll find it hard to be happy or motivated or excited about doing much at all. “Heartbroken” is what poets have called this condition for millennia, and it’s one of the worst states a human being can find himself. Emotional pain is real pain, and when that pain arises from the subconscious itself, it’s agonizing and inescapable.

“Above all else, guard your heart, for everything you do flows from it.”
‭‭Proverbs‬ ‭4:23‬ ‭NIV‬‬

Merck will release the pill soon then all that vaxx crap will be on its last legs. Just sucks for those fired but at least they have grounds for substantial lawsuits and a healthy body.

Friend who is a California medical professional just received their religious exemption at the final hour yesterday. I'm guessing their employer was playing a came of chicken with them. They're contemplating moving out of state (especially after the 12year + vaccine edict from Newsom). Friend has an atheist colleague who wrote a two page manifesto for their religious exemption which they got earlier this month.

mell says

Merck will release the pill soon

Is that the one that works via the same mechanism as ivermectin but is far more expensive?

chris
@charmchris3
Oct 1
When paramedics, nurses and drs are willing to lose their jobs, to stand against mandates that violate body autonomy, thats when you have health professionals practicing medicine with ethics.

https://nitter.pussthecat.org/charmchris3/status/1443836953539923970#m

https://reclaimthenet.org/hospitals-struggle-with-staff-shortages-after-vaccine-passport-mandates/

COVID vaccine passports are being used by governments all over the world to increase vaccination rates and encourage more people to receive the vaccine. As would be expected, the result has been an increased proportion of employees quitting their jobs rather than being compelled to show a vaccine passport to be able to work.

In particular, hospital staff shortages are becoming more prevalent across the country as unvaccinated workers are choosing to leave their employment after the Biden administration mandated that the approximately 17 million workers in health institutions that receive federal Medicare or Medicaid funding have to show a vaccine passport or lose their jobs.

As a result of this, departments of hospitals are closing or reducing healthcare services due to staff shortages caused by the mandates.

With hospitals already stretched thin, the sudden drop in workforce is the difference between some services being halted or discontinued due to a lack of manpower.

Due to a staffing deficit caused by personnel quitting over vaccine regulations, at least one hospital in upstate New York has had to halt maternity treatment and deliveries.

Also, hospital rooms aren’t getting clean sheets and the cafeteria can’t provide hot food due to a staffing deficit in at least one scenario.

Another report from Indiana describes a situation similar to that in North Carolina and New York, with healthcare personnel departing to escape obligatory vaccination.

Moreover, KCBD reports that Brownfield Regional Medical Center in Texas may have to close if the federal vaccine mandate is enforced because of the large number of employees who could resign.

Jerry Jasper, The CEO at Brownfield Regional Medical Center stated to KCBD that “Probably 20 to 25 percent of my staff will have to go away if that’s the case.”

Another CEO, Gerald Cayer of the Lewis County Health System expressed hope that this is a transitory issue as he works with the state Department of Health to prevent the maternity unit from permanently closing because six of the hospital’s maternity unit employees resigned to avoid receiving the COVID-19 vaccine.

“There are 165 hospital employees who have not received a COVID-19 vaccine, which is 27% of the workforce, the other 73%, or 464 employees, have already received the vaccine. If we can pause the service and now focus on recruiting nurses who are vaccinated, we will be able to re engage in delivering babies here in Lewis County,” he said.

Additionally, a representative of Indiana University Health, Indiana’s largest hospital system with over thirty thousand employees, told Newsweek that “125 employees, the equivalent of 61 full-time employees, chose not to receive the COVID-19 vaccine and have left the organization.”

The situation will likely become more acute in the coming months when an increasing number of mandates take effect this month and in November.

Fuck the system! Burn it down! And burn down the vaxxed sick with it!

richwicks says

WineHorror1 says

WookieMan says

What the fuck are we doing?

Ask the devil, he's in charge right now.

No. He's not.

We are in charge.

It's the continual war. I was the biggest most vocal atheist 15 years ago. I would have attacked your reasoning and thinking process if you expressed you had belief in ANY god then, and I was extremely effective at doing this, and I had and still have sound arguments.

But I was wrong. It appears that there is a true war between good and evil. Whether this transcends our mortality, I don't know, but it's there. I cannot deny it now. The war on this, it will never end. It's a struggle of our species.

I think we must be improving. We are in a far more gentle and peaceful society than we were 200 or 2000 years ago. I have great hope and confidence...

You may be ready to read "The Great Controversy"...https://www.end-times-prophecy.org/GreatControversy.pdf.

That link is a download of the 404 page book.

You may be ready for a movie called "God is not dead" also.

Shaman says

Fuck the system! Burn it down! And burn down the vaxxed sick with it!

I'm beginning to think that FIRE is the best disinfectant.



da bear

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackkelly/2021/09/30/in-a-dramatic-turn-the-once-herald-nurses-and-healthcare-workers-are-being-fired-for-not-getting-their-vaccination-shots/

In A Dramatic Turn, The Once-Heralded Nurses And Healthcare Workers Are Being Fired For Not Getting Their Vaccination Shots

https://notthebee.com/article/maine-hospital-suspends-trauma-and-pediatric-admissions-due-to-staff-shortages-brought-on-by-governors-draconian-vaccine-mandate-so-maybe-this-isnt-all-about-saving-lives-after-all

The country is down over 500000 healthcare workers since February 2020.

Oh, on September's job report it lost even more healthcare jobs.

Until recently healthcare was growing jobs every month.

Everyone should giggle about how many healthcare workers we're gonna lose in October.

Uhhh, as a hint ... don't get sick.

Misc says

Uhhh, as a hint ... don't get sick.

This is what I have been telling people for the past few months. It's not a joke.

Remove as much dependency on this system as you can. Parts of it won't be available to you, will be incompetent and likely to harm you, or will be reconfigured to deliberately harm you.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_breakingnews/minnesota-hospital-shuts-down-er-and-urgent-care-amid-nurse-strike_4054839.html?utm_source=patrick.net&utm_medium=patrick.net&utm_campaign=patrick.net

Minnesota Hospital Shuts Down ER and Urgent Care Amid Nurse Strike
BY JACK PHILLIPS October 18, 2021

A hospital in Minnesota confirmed it temporarily shut down its emergency room and urgent care facility due to a nurse strike.

Patrick says

It's like they're actively trying to piss people off.

Or provoke/establish a narrative to link gun ownership and the unvaxxed by villifying them as violent extremists with a hoaxed or real 'active shooter' situation in a former place of employment.

Karloff says

Parts of it won't be available to you, will be incompetent and likely to harm you, or will be reconfigured to deliberately harm you.

Wasn't and hasn't been adequate in my short lifetime. That's including without Covid happening. Everything is business and trying to extract money from you. Healthcare has ZERO interest in making you healthy. Big Pharma creates pills and medication that damage organs and cause you harm.

Docs are really only good with trauma treatment and some cancer treatments. I'm making a blanket statement, but generally most ailments can be taken care of at home without a doctor visit. 90% of ailments could also be avoided with proper health, sleep, diet, etc.

HunterTits says

Firing 34% of the the nation's entire workforce in the name of vaxx mandates during a time of severe labor shortages also doesn't make sense.

But that is life in Libtard-controlled America.

Economic suicide always seems to be central to leftist thought.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_morningbrief/health-care-workers-speak-out-on-why-they-would-rather-lose-their-jobs-than-take-a-covid-19-vaccine_4065164.html?utm_source=patrick.net&utm_medium=patrick.net&utm_campaign=patrick.net

“Health care workers are not taking it because they know that the side effects are real. In urgent care, I have seen myocarditis, cellulitis, [and] unusual neurological symptoms, among a variety of other side effects. I have seen people very ill post-vaccine, and then go on to test positive. The positivity rate for contracting COVID on the vaccinated is very high per the recent studies and what I am seeing in my clinic. A vaccine should work, and it is not working. It should be tested for years on something other than humans before we call it ‘safe and effective.’ There have been over 15,000 deaths from the vaccine that the media is not talking about. I will never take that risk on myself,” Zubiate said.

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/kitten-corner-we-had-to-destroy-the/comments

WineHorror1 says

richwicks says

WineHorror1 says

WookieMan says

What the fuck are we doing?

Ask the devil, he's in charge right now.

No. He's not.

We are in charge.

It's the continual war. I was the biggest most vocal atheist 15 years ago. I would have attacked your reasoning and thinking process if you expressed you had belief in ANY god then, and I was extremely effective at doing this, and I had and still have sound arguments.

But I was wrong. It appears that there is a true war between good and evil. Whether this transcends our mortality, I don't know, but it's there. I cannot deny it now. The war on this, it will never end. It's a struggle of our species.

I think we must be improving. We are in a far more gentle and ...

@WineHorror1 - Is this the book you were talking about?

https://m.egwwritings.org/en/book/132/toc

You would be aghast at how open I'm willing to read different points of view. I love reading banned books. Except Naked Lunch. The film was fun, the book requires you to be out of your mind on heroin to read.

The Naked Lunch is nuts, the movie Naked Lunch was more like Junky, another Burroughs book.

If you think the Naked Lunch was insane, try the Wild Boys.

I'm 100% sure the epynomous Duran Duran video was inspired by it... gatling guns on pirate ships, Egyptian avatars, totally fucked up.

Warning: Oozing with pederasty and disgustingness.

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

Warning: Oozing with pederasty and disgustingness.

Oh! So like Dizzey's Pinocchio.

richwicks says

@WineHorror1 - Is this the book you were talking about?

https://m.egwwritings.org/en/book/132/toc

You would be aghast at how open I'm willing to read different points of view. I love reading banned books. Except Naked Lunch. The film was fun, the book requires you to be out of your mind on heroin to read.

@richwicks - sorry for the late reply. Yeah, that's it. In fact, I think I'll listen to it on Spotify myself.

It's also on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF1XqXrDvro

WineHorror1 says

It's also on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF1XqXrDvro

Mmm, I'm grabbing it now.

Youtube has rate limited me, but I'll get it in time.

How interesting, 15 years ago I'd be giving your crap. I have to be honest, I don't agree with you, but I'm not in opposition to your viewpoint even when I disagree with it.

A hard science education, it destroys faith, and questions the usefulness of faith. Jesuits are very well educated, they are in the religious order, and the rumor is that more than 1/2 of them are atheists. I'm not as well educated as them. I think your faith is useful for society, even though I ultimately think it's incorrect.

Still, I'll listen and learn from any point of view.

richwicks says

WineHorror1 says

It's also on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF1XqXrDvro

Mmm, I'm grabbing it now.

Youtube has rate limited me, but I'll get it in time.

How interesting, 15 years ago I'd be giving your crap. I have to be honest, I don't agree with you, but I'm not in opposition to your viewpoint even when I disagree with it.

A hard science education, it destroys faith, and questions the usefulness of faith. Jesuits are very well educated, they are in the religious order, and the rumor is that more than 1/2 of them are atheists. I'm not as well educated as them. I think your faith is useful for society, even though I ultimately think it's incorrect.

Still, I'll listen and learn from any point of view.

It's just way too difficult for me to believe there is no God.

WineHorror1 says

It's just way too difficult for me to believe there is no God.

Most Atheist pushed Steady State in the first half of the 20th Century. Even Hoyle, who pushed Steady State and invented the mocking term "Big Bang", was converted to soft Deism.

The Universe has a beginning.

Check out the prevalence of Carbon.

Check out how DNA could have possibly come about? It takes specially shaped amino acids, themselves damned rare, having to interlock "just so", and being able to reproduce from square one. The raw chances of that happening are more than the number of elemental particles in the observable universe.

"Eventually, a group of monkeys will type Shakespeare's Macbeth given enough time."

But that's not the first problem - the monkeys FIRST have to hit upon language and letters, invent grammar, stick with both, and build the typewriter. Not only come up with them, keep using all of them simultaneously, and then keep typing for untold amounts of time.

You could restate it: "Eventually monkeys will hit upon semiconductors, build a CPU, build a compiler, generate a computer language, and a compiler, and then will write an application with it, given enough time"

Oh, and there's no junk DNA. Instead, DNA is omnidirectional, multilayered, incredibly complex, sometimes repetitive but often not.

Great book I'm reading: "Return of the God Hypothesis."

Most people never learn that Newton was a very, very religious person who wrote extensively on theology. He's been presented as Saganites as a key figure in the story of Materialism, when he was anything but such a person. In fact, the top criticism of his Gravitational Theory was that he wasn't trying to be materialistic/naturalistic enough.

The amount of fine tuning in the universe is damned odd.

The problem isn't among physicists, but biologists. Most physicists eventually admit there's something fishy in Denmark.

That's why Atheists and Agnostics are now turning to a form of Intelligent Design, postulating a Sheldon, that we live in a Simulation.

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

WineHorror1 says

It's just way too difficult for me to believe there is no God.

Most Atheist pushed Steady State in the first half of the 20th Century. Even Hoyle, who pushed Steady State and invented the mocking term "Big Bang", was converted to soft Deism.

The Universe has a beginning.

Check out the prevalence of Carbon.

Check out how DNA could have possibly come about? It takes specially shaped amino acids, themselves damned rare, having to interlock "just so", and being able to reproduce from square one. The raw chances of that happening are more than the number of elemental particles in the observable universe.

"Eventually, a group of monkeys will type Shakespeare's Macbeth given enough time."

But that's not the first problem - the monkeys FIRST have to hit upon language and letters, invent grammar, stick with both,...

This is why I need faith. I simply do not have the intellect to match your comment or research, let alone the memory you possess to recall such things. I "think" I'm pretty good at deduction though and that is how I roll.

The virus will go away when people quit going to the hospital to be treated for the Cold.

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

That's why Atheists and Agnostics are now turning to a form of Intelligent Design, postulating a Sheldon, that we live in a Simulation.

Problem for the atheists with this model is that it absolutely REQUIRES a Creator! Whoops!

Shaman says

Problem for the atheists with this model is that it absolutely REQUIRES a Creator! Whoops!

Yes, the shear complexity of life even beyond DNA formation implies intelligent design. Consider:

Parasitic horsehair worm that lives in water but has insect hosts. It finds it way through the food chain to be eaten by a grasshopper and then grows several inches long inside the grasshopper's body. Then it releases a chemical that causes the grasshopper to find water to jump in and drown, after which the worm extrudes from the body.

Zombie ant. A fungus infects an ant, then releases a chemical that causes the ant to climb to a high point and die. A tall stem then grows out of the ant's head, then a knob at the top of the stem sheds spores to infect the ants down below.

Parasitic wasps lay eggs under the skin of caterpillars. The wasp larva devour the caterpillar from the inside without killing it. At the right time, the larva releases a chemical that stops the caterpillar from turning into a moth. The larva later devour the whole caterpillar, pupate, then fly off the mate and find the right species of caterpillar to lay eggs in.

Another parasitic wasp paralyzes tarantulas to lay an egg in. The larva know to save the vital organs for last to keep the paralyzed spider alive long enough for the larva to pupate and fly off.

Now consider how many animals munch other animals in order to survive.

Very complex systems that imply a designer, but not a kind soul. One could say the Devil made the world while God was distracted by Charlotte.

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

Check out how DNA could have possibly come about? It takes specially shaped amino acids, themselves damned rare, having to interlock "just so", and being able to reproduce from square one. The raw chances of that happening are more than the number of elemental particles in the observable universe.

I dispute the math of your odds there. Billions of years stirring and mixing together in primordial soup is a LONG TIME, incomprehensible to human time scales. Look at the Miller-Urey experiment of the 1950s. They mixed together a couple of simple chemicals they thought likely to be present on early Earth, added lightning, and voila, soon had complex amino acids and crudely self replicating molecules. Though the starting mixture they used was subsequently determined to be a poor model for early earth, revised experiments still produce complex amino acids out of simple gases and liquids as building blocks, ON A SCALE OF DAYS. This proves the principle that the building blocks of life "spontaneously arising" isn't as rare or implausible or at mathematically impossible odds as Deists make it out to be, usually with a toss of their hands.

I might buy the hypothesis that higher life forms came from intelligent design elsewhere and earth was at some point "seeded" with DNA. This manner of "god" has ZERO connection to literally everything all the religions of Earth have come up with over thousands of years. It would be amusing to see the reaction of actual "superior beings" from elsewhere when they hear how humans conceptualize them, and how seriously some worship the alien golden calf Strawgod they imagined them to actually be.

Can anyone explain timelessness and where primordial soup came from?

WineHorror1 says

Can anyone explain timelessness and where primordial soup came from?

IDK what you mean by "timelessness." Are you referring to time scales incomprehensible relative to a human second-to-lifetime?

"Primordial soup" is the base stock of simple, inorganic chemicals that existed and evolved over time abiotically before any forms of "life" arose. It was made of the original elements that agglomerated together to form the original proto-Earth, and changed over time from chemical reactions and energy inputs from insolation, volcanism, radioactive decay mainly. For over a billion years (guessing here) there existed a reducing atmosphere with no free oxygen. Life as we know it (outside a few simple extremophiles) couldn't exist then even if the fully assembled DNA sequences were magically transported there by the cubic mile. The "primordial soup" originally consisted of simple elements like nitrogen and carbon dioxide atmosphere, over time it changed to include nitrates and sulfides and much later, free oxygen thanks to biotic processes. The "soup" was god knows what liquids in different places and times. The building blocks of nucleic acids may have been delivered on comets and meteors according to some, but chemically can form just as well from earthly pools of hydrogen cyanide.

Automan Empire says

WineHorror1 says

Can anyone explain timelessness and where primordial soup came from?

IDK what you mean by "timelessness." Are you referring to time scales incomprehensible relative to a human second-to-lifetime?

"Primordial soup" is the base stock of simple, inorganic chemicals that existed and evolved over time abiotically before any forms of "life" arose. It was made of the original elements that agglomerated together to form the original proto-Earth, and changed over time from chemical reactions and energy inputs from insolation, volcanism, radioactive decay mainly. For over a billion years (guessing here) there existed a reducing atmosphere with no free oxygen. Life as we know it (outside a few simple extremophiles) couldn't exist then even if the fully assembled DNA sequences were magically transported there by the cubic mile. The "primordial soup" originally consisted of simple...

Yeah but while the big bang is controversial these days as well as the continuous expansion vs eventual contraction (as previously thought) to the pre-state, who engineered that state which made it all possible? Surely a Creator / creative force.