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Al_Sharpton_for_President says

BayArea says

You won’t have permanent immunity

An interesting issue. The short answer would be memory B and T cells, and the abilty to respond more quickly upon subesequent exposure. But even before exposure and the subsequent adaptive immune response, we have a repertoire of around 10^10-10^11 unique B cell receptors. The number of unique possible T cell receptors is also quite large. So within your native repertoire, honed through centures of evolution, or provided by a brilliant creator, exists the capability to recognize and respond to a huge range of antigens.

Def close enough to permanent immunity for all practical cases/considerations

they are marking everyone with vaccine.

NuttBoxer says

mell says

That's why I tend to believe it's not covid

If you don't deplete your zinc levels, that will never be a symptom. Doesn't mean you didn't get covid, does mean you are in better health than most.

Also it started with a night of insomnia for no reason even before any illness symptons started the next day. Yes, prolonged sleep is hard to get with it, but I don't find that much different from the flu or bad colds.

BayArea says

NuttBoxer says

permanent immunity

You won’t have permanent immunity

And you know this how?

porkchopexpress says

What supplements did you take?

Our standard ones for being sick are zinc(Douglas), double the dosage of vitamin C and take twice daily(Mercola liposomal), and echinacea(Now). Stuff we also now take in addition(only when sick), NAC(Thorne), and horse tail. Some natural stuff I got specifically for Covid, but forgot about taking until the end(beginning for the wife), sweet wormwood(HerbPharm), and Yling Yling essential oil.

BayArea says

You won’t have permanent immunity

Studies show 20+ years whenever you recover from a viral infection. Covid has been around forever, so not to say I'll never get a covid virus, just won't ever get this covid virus again.

mell says

Also it started with a night of insomnia for no reason even before any illness symptons started the next day. Yes, prolonged sleep is hard to get with it, but I don't find that much different from the flu or bad colds.

Fair point. But there is something here that seems almost psychological. Kind of a lack of interest/enthusiasm/caring about anything at all well sick. I was eating mostly to keep up my energy, not because I wanted to. And cooking smells made me feel physically sick more than once. I've heard people say it's a hope-stealing, spiritual malady. I wouldn't go that far, but there's something off about it for sure.

Again, I think someone needs to get a hold of a more complete sequence to see what they're hiding.

Spoke with a friend who is very average(meaning bad) when it comes to health. He's full into the shots being salvation, and Covid a killer. Shared our experience to try and get him to see another perspective. His grampa recently passed(took all his covid shots). Said the doctor told him, his grampa was the only person he knew who had died after getting the shots. He also told me a co-worker who he labeled as "organic hippy", who refused the shots, died from covid. I pointed out that ourselves, and two people we knew who hadn't gotten any shots all dealt with covid with no problems, and the two people we knew(first hand), were not in the best physical health.

Point being, for my friend to be correct in his beliefs would highly improbable from a statistical perspective. First that his gramapa is the first person at that hospital to die from covid having the shots. Second, that the co-worker is as healthy as he claims given that she assuredly died in the hospital, and ourselves and the people we knew, were never anywhere close to going in. So again, the odds of us being the outliers, are super high.

On the other hand he and his family all took the shots, all still got covid. His sense of smell is still not recovered, and he has trouble working because he has "fog brain". He also had to go on some special treatment when he got it because he was a high risk case, again despite the shots.

Seriously, how many improbable outcomes does someone have to believe to buy into the narrative. Really astounding...

NuttBoxer says

mell says

Also it started with a night of insomnia for no reason even before any illness symptons started the next day. Yes, prolonged sleep is hard to get with it, but I don't find that much different from the flu or bad colds.

Fair point. But there is something here that seems almost psychological. Kind of a lack of interest/enthusiasm/caring about anything at all well sick. I was eating mostly to keep up my energy, not because I wanted to. And cooking smells made me feel physically sick more than once. I've heard people say it's a hope-stealing, spiritual malady. I wouldn't go that far, but there's something off about it for sure.

Again, I think someone needs to get a hold of a more complete sequence to see what they're hiding.

Agreed but I had something like that but far worse many years ago during the swine flu epidemic but could never fully pin down the causating agent. Took me 5 full years to fully recover from its long tail. If this is indeed covid, that is. Viruses effect people very differently and can def have psychological effects, even if natural. But yes let's see the complete genome, I thought it had been analyzed by a few scientists already and posed by the chinese(which of course doesn't say much)

NuttBoxer says

Mostly based on the weird combination of symptoms. Started with a headache and fever, and ended with an ear/nose/throat infection. Nasty combination, never had anything like that before. Thought about pulling out the hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin, but kind of wanting to save those for when they're really needed, so just our normal regiment of supplements, plus the extra stuff we take when we're sick. Wife got it when I was at the tail end. So far our daughters seem fine. Fever lasted for five days, normally I never have one longer than three. No loss of smell. From what I read, that's due to depletion of zinc in the body, which is impossible for us due to the supplements.

Nasty sickness for sure. Saps your appetite, and hard to get good sleep. I can see how people in poor health could easily be pushed over the edge. Was thinking about the two times governments have refused to turn over the DNA sequence(Ireland and Canada), and now I'm thinking it's not because the...

Was going to say I never take any continuous medication and always try to toughen it out first but not taking any Tylenol or ibuprofen with a cold/flu is pretty hard-core, kudos. I def do take those briefly on tough colds/flus so I can at least get a few things done

mell says

I thought it had been analyzed by a few scientists already and posed by the chinese(which of course doesn't say much)

The Chinese sequence is the only one I've heard that was released, and that was supposed to be a very small fragment of the entire sequence.

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Aaand it's positive, it's like a pregnancy test! Where do I get my natural immunity card now? Sure won't get jabbed now, with any vaccine

Interesting @mell

Let us know what symptoms you have and how it goes.

mell says

Aaand it's positive, it's like a pregnancy test! Where do I get my natural immunity card now? Sure won't get jabbed now, with any vaccine

Do you want to hang out? We could have a Covid party.

Patrick says

Interesting @mell

Let us know what symptoms you have and how it goes.

Would any of you advise getting a PCR test from a testing station as a verification of recovery? It's valid for 6 months in Germany in lieu of vaccination for example, but the drawback is the invasive nature of the questions and if you give your real address all those neurotic people will get a warning on their cell phone that somebody close by has the coof? Pros and cons.

Onvacation says

mell says

Aaand it's positive, it's like a pregnancy test! Where do I get my natural immunity card now? Sure won't get jabbed now, with any vaccine

Do you want to hang out? We could have a Covid party.

Well I rode the 101 bus which is pretty nice but has zero ventilation for some reason. You may be able to get it from there as well ;)

Patrick says

Interesting @mell

Let us know what symptoms you have and how it goes.

Massive headache, body aches, chills and sweats, fever, dry cough which can turn productive, mild chest congestion, slightly runny nose, no appetite, mild nausea and indigestion. Feels pretty much like a flu. But I'm on day 4 now and think I should be done with it completely by end of the week. Medications taken: horse dewormer, ibuprofen, aspirin, tylenol. We're also starting the wife on the horse dewormer for prevention, plus full Rin protocol and upped Vit D.

Awww, mell got his Covid cherry popped. I can't believe it has been almost 1 year for me...I feel like a veteran.

mell says

Massive headache, body aches, chills and sweats, fever, dry cough which can turn productive, mild chest congestion, slightly runny nose, no appetite, mild nausea and indigestion. Feels pretty much like a flu. But I'm on day 4 now and think I should be done with it completely by end of the week. Medications taken: horse dewormer, ibuprofen, aspirin, tylenol. We're also starting the wife on the horse dewormer for prevention, plus full Rin protocol and upped Vit D.

I would skip all body temperature-depressing meds, and then sleep on a heating pad under the back/chest at night to simulate a fever (without exhausting one's own body producing the fever) as a way of enhancing immune function.

Reality says

sleep on a heating pad under the back/chest at night to simulate a fever

That is a really interesting idea.

Reality says

mell says

Massive headache, body aches, chills and sweats, fever, dry cough which can turn productive, mild chest congestion, slightly runny nose, no appetite, mild nausea and indigestion. Feels pretty much like a flu. But I'm on day 4 now and think I should be done with it completely by end of the week. Medications taken: horse dewormer, ibuprofen, aspirin, tylenol. We're also starting the wife on the horse dewormer for prevention, plus full Rin protocol and upped Vit D.

I would skip all body temperature-depressing meds, and then sleep on a heating pad under the back/chest at night to simulate a fever (without exhausting one's own body producing the fever) as a way of enhancing immune function.

That's a good suggestion for those that don't react with enough fever but I usually do and there's a trade-off between being completely incapacitated due to fever and being able to take care of an infant, a 10yr old and a wife ;) Also NyQuil at night helps others sleep if you don't cough too much, as long as you let it flow during the day and get a good productive cough out. I also usually take half of all indicated dosages, it's enough for me despite being very tall and thus well over 200lbs.

The worst symptom of covid by far though is being ostracized - sure personally I give zero fucks but I have a family to juggle. My older son's mom is already faulting me for getting covid and freaking out though it was likely on a bus ride with him where I caught it (and I don't want her to blitz jab the kid). It's total perversion, the patient is the perpetrator...unvaxxed? asshole! The pharma complex and their henchmen at the cdc and fda and the brandon administration have done everything to whip up panic in the masses and pit them against each other. It was not even part of the 10 worst flus/colds in my life. yeah it sucks but they have successfully weaponized a regular cold/flu.

mell says

Would any of you advise getting a PCR test from a testing station as a verification of recovery? It's valid for 6 months in Germany in lieu of vaccination for example, but the drawback is the invasive nature of the questions and if you give your real address all those neurotic people will get a warning on their cell phone that somebody close by has the coof? Pros and cons.

Per Kerry Mullis, PCR is not for detecting infection. From what I've read there is no reliable test. As to the last, you're talking about voluntarily telling the government you have covid and didn't take the shots? I would strongly advise against this. A government that does the kind of things they are now doing also makes lists, I fucking guarantee it. Don't get on a list.

Better to thumb your nose from relative obscurity.

NuttBoxer says

mell says

Would any of you advise getting a PCR test from a testing station as a verification of recovery? It's valid for 6 months in Germany in lieu of vaccination for example, but the drawback is the invasive nature of the questions and if you give your real address all those neurotic people will get a warning on their cell phone that somebody close by has the coof? Pros and cons.

Per Kerry Mullis, PCR is not for detecting infection. From what I've read there is no reliable test. As to the last, you're talking about voluntarily telling the government you have covid and didn't take the shots? I would strongly advise against this. A government that does the kind of things they are now doing also makes lists, I fucking guarantee it. Don't get on a list.

Better to thumb your nose from relative obscurity.

It's for immunity passports which currently only give you 6 months without testing in certain countries but could be expanded and maybe natural immunity will be adopted in the US as well eventually. You don't have to answer most questions,and you can also be homeless which is not a stretch in the bay area

WookieMan says

NuttBoxer says

When did people get so scared of getting sick?

You've asked the question of the pandemic. Fear itself will raise BP and anxiety and just cause more harm. Everyone with 20 years left in life WILL get covid. There's no point in fearing it. Be ready to treat it. Stay healthy. Supplement as you say. None of this is being said. Instead vaccine, vaccine, vaccine.... Oh wait, cases are close to as high without a vaccine last year. Statistically the vaccine doesn't work. Don't give a shit what big pharma or Fauci is saying. It's math. Hence the line "trust the science." It's a god damn math problem, not science.

The question indeed.

The hypochondriacs are having a field day. Really for the past 18 months. So are the unreasonably introverted, the anti socials, the nervous nellies, and every other normally and appropriately marginalized persons who refuse to go with the normal adult program.

The emotionally incompetent have won the day and are the willing tools of facist leftists.

It can only happen in an extremely wealthy nation. Everyone else in the world is working too hard in case the roof might not stay on their head or the next meal doesn’t magically appear on their table.

Why not get tested to see if you got covid?

I got something last week, got tested and it's not covid. Just a bad cold. It's going around.

NuttBoxer says

BayArea says

You won’t have permanent immunity

Studies show 20+ years whenever you recover from a viral infection. Covid has been around forever, so not to say I'll never get a covid virus, just won't ever get this covid virus again

Yes and no.

For the short term you have high levels of antibodies that are a shield, and can prevent you from getting the virus take hold in your body again. Long term, you have immune memory but can still get infected, you just clear the illness quickly within a few days.

Same as the vaxx. The reason for boosters is to keep antibodies high.

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

It can only happen in an extremely wealthy nation

Our grandparents and great grandparents would be amazed and disappointed. Those who lived through ten years of Great Depression then five years of world war with it's dreary music and ugly styles, who dropped everything and went into defense work if they weren't draft eligible, would yawn at this. Both my parents and their families lived through the 1918 Pandemic without any fatalities, my father was 20 and my mother was 16. Wish I'd thought to ask them if they knew anyone who died or even got sick and recovered. With so many dead, it seems like it would be hard not to have known someone who at least got sick for awhile.

vijer says

For the short term you have high levels of antibodies that are a shield, and can prevent you from getting the virus take hold in your body again. Long term, you have immune memory but can still get infected, you just clear the illness quickly within a few days.

Same as the vaxx. The reason for boosters is to keep antibodies high.

Really? The long term immunity is from the B and T cells. Antibodies are short lived. The reason for booster shots is to keep big pharma profits high.

NDrLoR says

Both my parents and their families lived through the 1918 Pandemic without any fatalities, my father was 20 and my mother was 16. Wish I'd thought to ask them if they knew anyone who died or even got sick and recovered. With so many dead, it seems like it would be hard not to have known someone who at least got sick for awhile.

My great grandfather from Poland died in the Spanish Flu pandemic in 1918 in Chicago. He left a wife and four kids, who were impoverished by his death.

NDrLoR says

my father was 20 and my mother was 16. Wish I'd thought to ask them if they knew anyone who died or even got sick and recovered.

Yes, they did. I talked to my grandparents and their brother's and sisters about this. What I heard (as a child - if I remember correctly) is EVERYBODY knew somebody who died.

I don't know anybody personally that has gotten sick from sars-cov2-19 in my little circle, but I know a few people that have had bad reactions to the vaccine but not serious. One of my parents friends was down for a couple days after the vaccine, a neighbor had gut problems for a few weeks.

vijer says

I got something last week, got tested and it's not covid. Just a bad cold. It's going around.

Oh, ask them to turn the PCR test up a bit. You'll be positive. What's it set to now? 20 cycles? 10?

richwicks says

vijer says

I got something last week, got tested and it's not covid. Just a bad cold. It's going around.

Oh, ask them to turn the PCR test up a bit. You'll be positive. What's it set to now? 20 cycles? 10?

That's why I did the antigen at home first. That one does not lie

vijer says

Why not get tested to see if you got covid?

Do you also get a test every time you get the flu? What about a cold? Food poisoning?

In case you haven't noticed, the obsession with tests was in order to create the mirage of a pandemic, without the substance of one. If covid's deadly, then I would have died, and what's the fucking point of a test then? If it's not, why get tested when I don't test myself any other time I get sick? I know what I got.

vijer says

Yes and no.

For the short term you have high levels of antibodies that are a shield, and can prevent you from getting the virus take hold in your body again. Long term, you have immune memory but can still get infected, you just clear the illness quickly within a few days.

Same as the vaxx. The reason for boosters is to keep antibodies high.

The body is capable of recognizing a mutation of up to 20% after 20 years of no exposure, and repel it. And that doesn't mean get sick, that means immunity. Covid virus's can only mutate 0.03%.

My friend who got all his shots still got covid, was deemed at high risk during his sickness(no reduction in severity of symptoms), still can't smell, and has trouble working due to brain fog. I don't have any of that. So no, there is zero similarity between naturally fighting off covid, and a genetically modified human getting covid.

I would suggest you either have not done your research, or have been grossly mis-informed.

NuttBoxer says

don't have any of that.

Indeed, your natural vaccination and resulting immune education is quite superior to your friend's. You are abe to recognize and respond to the entire viral antigenic proteome, both external and internal antigens, whereas your friend is only able to recognize and respond to a fraction of the viral antigens.

https://patrick.net/post/1342200/2021-10-31-if-you-take-the-vaxx-you-can-never-achi

If You Take the Vaxx, You Can Never Achieve Full Immunity Again

My Pureblood antigens FUCK the virus and make it squeal for more! Cough, Cough, Hack!