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Greeted like Liberators: Ukraine Invasion Thread


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4204   goofus   2024 Nov 23, 6:44am  



4205   DOGEWontAmountToShit   2024 Nov 24, 12:50am  

According to former Polish Deputy Minister Piotr Kulpa, Ukrainian authorities have allegedly siphoned off up to half of the U.S. aid money sent to their country and redirected a portion of it back to the Democratic Party through laundering schemes.


4206   WookieMan   2024 Nov 24, 2:13am  

DOGEWontAmountToShit says


According to former Polish Deputy Minister Piotr Kulpa, Ukrainian authorities have allegedly siphoned off up to half of the U.S. aid money sent to their country and redirected a portion of it back to the Democratic Party through laundering schemes.




No surprise there. My take away is I never realized how short Zelensky is. Biden is 6' on a good day. They claim Zelensky is 5'7" and I call bull shit. That dude is 5'4". Sorry to the short guys out there, but you don't show power.

Point of the height thing is it's no surprise they're laundering money. Zelensky has little man syndrome. Uses fraud to benefit his insecurities. Common for guys 5'6" and under. Case in point with Putin. Never trust a short man. Taller men project power and strength even if normal looking and not fat. Trump walks into a room with Putin he's damn near a foot taller.

Not a huge fan of Crowder, but he does make a good joke about Putin's massive table he has meetings at with 2 people. He's overcompensating for his shortness. Making the table big makes him look small, but the table gets the attention showing power and wealth.
4207   RayAmerica   2024 Nov 24, 1:01pm  

Former Polish Minister: At Least Half of US Aid Was Laundered by Ukrainians and Much Was Given to Democrats



Former Polish Minister Piotr Kulpa says up to half of the US aid to Ukraine was laundered by Ukrainians, and much was given to US Democrats.

Maybe that’s why the Democrat lawmakers were waving Ukrainian flags on the House floor?

Did anyone really not believe this was happening?

More here: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/11/former-polish-minister-least-half-us-aid-was/

(No surprise here. Just about ALL of our foreign 'aid' is nothing other than payoffs to corrupt leaders for their 'support' for the good old USA, and a lot of it ends up in American politician's off shore accounts in the form of kickbacks!)
4209   Patrick   2024 Nov 26, 3:59pm  

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/unstoppable-tuesday-november-26-2024


Only close war watchers know that on Thursday, the Russians quietly obsoleted modern warfare and most of the West’s defensive arsenal. This changes everything. ...

The Russians deployed a paradigm-shattering, epoch-defining, game-changing wonder weapon that turned every modern military strategy textbook into a historic footnote. It was not the sort of “game-changing weapon” that like robotic parrots corporate media has serially invoked since the Proxy War started, duplicitously announcing every new delivery of decades-old NATO military technology to Ukraine.

No. This was something genuinely new. And, by definition, revolutionary.

On Thursday, Russia blew up a large satellite manufacturing plant in Dnipro, Ukraine. That much was unremarkable. But an astonishing video of the attack quickly surfaced, and it confounded everyone, at least, everyone talking. The warbloggers began rolling out a series of excited guesses and urgent hypotheses for what looked like a cluster of missiles falling to Earth like avenging angels...

The strike followed Biden intentionally crossing a red line set by Russian President Vladimir Putin. Putin warned the US not to help Ukraine fire ballistic missiles into Russian territory, which Biden promptly did anyway, with gusto. ...

It was an intermediate-range hypersonic ballistic missile, which rings boring in civilian ears. But Hazelnut features some key groundbreaking specifications: first, the missile’s range is 5,500 kilometers (3,500 miles), which means it can strike anywhere in Europe, any time, within mere minutes from launch. Hazelnut flies at an eye-watering 8,000 mph— Mach 12, twelve times the speed of sound. Putin told the Russian people that no missile defense system on Earth can intercept the Hazelnut. It is immune to air defense.

Nobody is even close to developing a defense to this weapon. Least of all the United States, since our DEI-obsessed generals keep failing to develop any operative hypersonic technology at all. Plus, we’ve only just found out about this new threat; somehow the Russians kept it under wraps during years of development—another inexcusable failure by our intelligence services. ...

You get the idea. Right as Biden’s neocons were staring at inevitable defeat in Ukraine, and were considering ever-higher-risk options to somehow snatch victory from the iron jaws of defeat, on Thursday Russia calmly placed a brand-new, really game-changing weapons technology on the chessboard.

Our generals aren’t talking. But I suspect they must be reacting to this news like how the Zulu chieftans reacted after the first time the British used machine guns against them. Ominously, the Zulus didn’t recognize their peril and kept fighting, and dying. Our generals can’t be that dumb? Wait, don’t answer that. ...

Biden’s unsupervised neocons were busily deploying a series of incremental escalations designed to provoke Russia into doing something so egregious that Biden would have no choice but to respond.

Instead, Russia just quietly out-escalated them.
4211   Ceffer   2024 Nov 28, 11:23am  

Offshoring bales of money is both laundering and plotting to repatriate cash bales to undermine and destroy the dollar. Everything they do is subversive.
4213   Misc   2024 Nov 28, 11:42pm  

If the kid sent in a few million, he'd get an answer.
4214   RayAmerica   2024 Nov 29, 6:42am  

Patrick says

Only close war watchers know that on Thursday, the Russians quietly obsoleted modern warfare and most of the West’s defensive arsenal. This changes everything. ...

The Russians deployed a paradigm-shattering, epoch-defining, game-changing wonder weapon that turned every modern military strategy textbook into a historic footnote. It was not the sort of “game-changing weapon” that like robotic parrots corporate media has serially invoked since the Proxy War started, duplicitously announcing every new delivery of decades-old NATO military technology to Ukraine.

No. This was something genuinely new. And, by definition, revolutionary.


Funny thing about all of this is that at the beginning of the Ukraine conflict, there were many expert voices declaring that Russia was a backward country that was using armed with antiquated equipment from the old Soviet Union. These experts claimed that the USA & NATO had far superior, modern weaponry and once Ukraine was properly armed, it would be a game changer. For instance, recall all the hoopla about the Abrams Tank? How did that all work out? Answer: Not very good. The Abrams Tank proved to have all kinds of problems, such as being under armored for the modern battlefield. They also had the annoying problem of breaking down. The Russians easily eliminated the Abrams using drones. The Russians called them 'junk made out of tin.' The Ukrainians labeled them as 'death traps.'

Now, the hubris of the West has taken another punch in the face by the 'backward' Russians. Thinking that they were going up against a 58 year old Mike Tyson, they now have to realize that they are actually fighting the 25 year old version. Talk about a nightmare scenario.

One last thought; Russia's hypersonic demonstration also instantly rendered ALL of our Aircraft Carrier Strike Groups (11 at last count?) almost entirely obsolete. 'Almost' because they can still be used against nations that do not have hypersonic weaponry, but when it comes to Russia, forget it. And let's not forget that Russia is allied with Israel's arch enemy Iran. This is also going to be a huge game changer in the Middle East ...
4215   DOGEWontAmountToShit   2024 Nov 29, 8:47am  

RayAmerica says

were many expert voices declaring that Russia was a backward country that was using armed with antiquated equipment from the old Soviet Union.


Yeah, @socal2 was one of them.
4216   DOGEWontAmountToShit   2024 Nov 29, 1:25pm  

But! But...Ukey Nazi Fluffers on PatNet keep insisting that Russia is losing this war!


4217   WookieMan   2024 Nov 29, 7:08pm  

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

But! But...Ukey Nazi Fluffers on PatNet keep insisting that Russia is losing this war!




3 years later. Not using advanced weapons. Until people realize this was a money laundering scheme, they won't know. Russia would be done as a country if we wanted it done. Biden and his family and military contractors are set for life. That's what Obama started and Biden finished.

If we gave Ukraine the real weapons Russia is toast. The French and UK have nuke capable ICBM's. We're giving hand me down weapons and Russia isn't sealing the deal. They're getting 20-30% effort from the west and need North Koreans who are defecting. Russia only has nukes in it's arsenal and that's a non-starter. Russian leaders would be dead in 20 minutes if they went down that path.
4218   Ceffer   2024 Nov 29, 7:14pm  

Fabric of reality warping on behalf of team trash talking aside, it might wind up being the Dnipro River as the new border with Kiev divided with a Russian half, Odessa operated as an open port for the remains of Ukraine but under Russian administration, and the various surrounding countries biting off chunks of the 'current' Ukraine aka Poland, Hungary etc.

Remainder of Ukraine will never be allowed to join NATO. That will damp the international criminal enterprises a jot or two.
4219   Patrick   2024 Nov 30, 9:09am  

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/no-no-nato-saturday-november-30-2024


This morning, the Atlantic ran a remarkable story headlined, “How Biden Made a Mess of Ukraine.” It was yet more retconning: the author, a neocon professor of ‘strategic studies,’ argued that the Proxy War could easily have been won in 2022 had Biden just taken off the velvet gloves and dared Putin to declare nuclear war. Professor O’Brien is so sure Putin would have chickened out that he’s willing to bet your life on it.

It’s been one week since the Russians showed the world their game-changing, unstoppable Orechnik missile, and ever since the Proxy War narrative has been evolving at Internet speed. One cannot help but detect a distinct whiff of a looming terminus — we are rapidly racing down the tracks toward the war’s inevitable end.

Vanished are the triumphal stories about Ukraine blowing up a random Russian tank in the icy mud somewhere. All the articles now breathlessly describe the war’s unsustainability. The newest narrative is Ukraine lacks men and morale.

We are finally homing in on the real issue, as evidenced by three headlines from yesterday. Reuters:

Ukraine asks NATO for membership invite next week, letter shows
By John Irish and Tom Balmforth
November 29, 2024 4:01 PM EST...

But midway through, the article raised the same mockingbird theme as the others: “security guarantees” are a synonym for NATO membership. “NATO membership,” the Economist argued, “would help prevent Ukraine from becoming unstable, embittered and vulnerable to co-option by Mr Putin in pursuit of his ultimate aim, which is to destabilise and dominate Europe.”

Neither Putin nor any other Russian official has ever claimed the country’s “ultimate aim” was to dominate Europe. The Economist made that up. But Russia has said, over and over, it invaded to prevent Ukraine’s NATO membership. And Russian officials, from President Putin down, have repeatedly stated the country’s minimum condition: no NATO for Ukraine.

Only neocons care about Ukraine joining NATO. Ukrainian citizens don’t care. They just want peace and security. The Proxy War was caused by the prospect of NATO membership, and now we see they are willing to trade land for it, up to 25% of Ukraine’s territory, that’s how important it is to them.

Since Orechnik destroyed a major military manufacturing facility, Russia has accelerated the war on all fronts. It is beyond obvious Ukraine cannot hold out. The headlines tentatively reflect this, and are staging the excuses for Ukraine’s loss, if it comes suddenly. For example, yesterday in the Associated Press:

Desertion threatens to starve Ukraine's forces at a crucial time in its war with Russia

Ukraine’s controversial conscription system, where unwilling Ukrainian men are arrested, handed a gun and an instructional pamphlet, rushed to the front lines and forced to fight, is not much different from Roman-style slavery. But the problem is that many of these involuntary soldiers flee at their first chance, a chance that often arises at the most inconvenient times. Stanislav! Quickly, hand me the next rocket! …Stanislav?

The article reported, without anywhere near the proper level of astonishment, that up to two hundred thousand Ukrainians have deserted since the start of the war. The real figures could even be higher. By comparison, at the beginning of the Proxy War, the entire Ukrainian Army numbered around 300,000 men.

Behold, the bad news embargo has definitely lifted:

Facing every imaginable shortage, tens of thousands of Ukrainian
troops, tired and bereft, have walked away from combat and front-
line positions to slide into anonymity, according to soldiers, lawyers
and Ukrainian officials. Entire units have abandoned their posts,
leaving defensive lines vulnerable and accelerating territorial losses,
according to military commanders and soldiers.
Some take medical leave and never return, haunted by the traumas
of war and demoralized by bleak prospects for victory. Others clash
with commanders and refuse to carry out orders, sometimes in the
middle of firefights.

An unnamed officer with Ukraine’s 72nd Brigade told the AP, “It is clear that now, frankly speaking, we have already squeezed the maximum out of our people.” He added, “The percentage of deserters has grown exponentially every month.”

Finally, another emerging narrative strain appeared in a Politico story yesterday headlined, “7 weeks until Trump: Russia and Ukraine fight for advantage before peace talks are imposed.” The sub-headline ominously added, “The risk of a miscalculation is growing as the war enters a potentially decisive — and dangerous — new phase.”

Russia may have Orechnik, but the U.S. has its own game-changing wonder weapon. “There’s about to be a game-changing proposition put into the theater in the form of Donald Trump,” said James Nixey, head of the Russia-Eurasia program at London’s Chatham House think-tank. Tellingly, like the AP, pro-Ukraine Nixey also reported the country is short of manpower and even said it seems to be “on course to lose this war.”

Politico’s article ended on a stunningly uplifting note, with a final quote from the think-tanker: “Putin does want to bring the rules-based international order, shabby and imperfect as it is, crumbling down,” he added. I don’t think that would be as bad an outcome as Politico and Mr. Nixey seem to think.

The conflict is finally boiling down to its final unstoppable force meets immovable object moment. The failed state of Ukraine must never be admitted into NATO. What Trump will do with this opportunistic crisis remains to be seen, but I’ll bet whatever it is, they never see it coming.
4220   DOGEWontAmountToShit   2024 Dec 1, 5:58pm  

Patrick says

Vanished are the triumphal stories about Ukraine blowing up a random Russian tank in the icy mud somewhere.


You mean like posts made by @socal2?
4221   Patrick   2024 Dec 1, 7:49pm  

https://www.rt.com/russia/608376-svr-west-kiev-troops/


West plotting to ‘occupy’ Ukraine – Russian intel
Plans are being made to freeze the conflict by sending 100,000 foreign troops to the country, according to the SVR

The West is secretly planning to occupy Ukraine and freeze the conflict with Russia by deploying tens of thousands of supposed peacekeepers to the country, the Russian Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) has said.

In a statement on Friday, the spy agency cited intelligence sources as saying that NATO is increasingly in favor of halting the hostilities along the current front line, as the US-led military bloc and Ukraine have come to realize that they are failing to inflict a “strategic defeat” on Russia.

Freezing the conflict would allow the West to rebuild the shattered Ukrainian military and “prepare it for an attempt at revenge,” the SVR stated. It further claimed that NATO is already setting up training centers to process at least one million Ukrainian conscripts.

A possible respite would also help the West restore Kiev’s military industry, which has been regularly battered by Russian missile and drone strikes, the SVR added.

“To solve these tasks, the West will need to essentially occupy Ukraine. Naturally, this will be done under the guise of deploying a ‘peacekeeping contingent’ in the country… According to the plan, a total of 100,000 so-called peacekeepers will be deployed in Ukraine.”
4222   DOGEWontAmountToShit   2024 Dec 1, 8:35pm  

Patrick says


Plans are being made to freeze the conflict by sending 100,000 foreign troops to the country, according to the SVR


NATO troops or third world mercs?

The distinction is important.

Because either way, they become legit targets the moment they arrive. Possibly before that as the transport planes carrying them are fair game to be shot down the moment they enter Ukey Nazi airspace.

And NATO couldn't even field that many troops. Not even if over 50% are US.

Italians, Finns, French, Polish & Germans seeing their only sons coming home in body bags isn't politically viable either.

So my guess are mercs. Some are going to be European and Americans in western PMCs. But the governments of those will be able to avoid culpability.

The rest will be French Foreign Legionnaires (90% of whom are not French but turd worlders) and other foreign PMCs from Africa, India, Asia and South America. NATO's counter to Norks being deployed by Russia that our press first denied and now are screaming about. The hypocrisy would be stunning except that it is completely predictable.

Meanwhile, this map is over two years old now. Why? Because it was obvious what the outcome of this war was always going to be.



P.S. now that section of what will be left of Rump Nazi Ukraine will end up actually being smaller than it is.

That's what the bullshit caused by the Ukey Nazi Fluffers both on and off of PatNet have wrought by extending this war.
4223   RWSGFY   2024 Dec 1, 9:19pm  

Yawn, another map to fap at by Pukin cum gurglers? Put it into the predictions thread if you dare. And update that another hilarios map thread which is as far from the reality now as it was then. Make sure it reflects the loss of Kursk by the illegitimate Moscow regime.
4224   DOGEWontAmountToShit   2024 Dec 1, 9:22pm  

RWSGFY says

Yawn, another map to fap at by Pukin cum gurglers? Put it into the predictions thread if you dare. And update that another hilarios map thread which is as far from the reality now as it was then. Make sure it reflects the loss of Kursk by the illegitimate Moscow regime.


^^^^^^

That's what the bullshit caused by the Ukey Nazi Fluffers both on and off of PatNet have wrought by extending this war.
4225   goofus   2024 Dec 1, 9:59pm  

RWSGFY says

Yawn, another map to fap at by Pukin cum gurglers? Put it into the predictions thread if you dare. And update that another hilarios map thread which is as far from the reality now as it was then. Make sure it reflects the loss of Kursk by the illegitimate Moscow regime.


Here’s a prediction: the money train stops once Trump is in office, and this pointless war ends at the current boundaries. Ukraine does not join NATO and the state department flunkies put their bloody prints on a Georgian coup or Syrian ISIS funding to stymy Russia (though that too will fail). Happy? We have a treasonous state dept, whose ouster will be all of our gains.
4226   Ceffer   2024 Dec 1, 10:22pm  

I suppose the partitions have already been secretly settled to the more or less, with the reveals to be wound out whenever.

Some Woo think that the demarcation border will be the Dnipro River with Kiev partitioned and Odessa given a diplomatic corridor for access and port use by what remains of Ukraine. I suppose the chunks to Poland, Hungary etc. could be bribes for the local cluster.

However, there will be no Ukraine membership in NATO. The Ukraine Nazis/KMaf Nazis will be on a tighter leash without their previous criminal enterprise gloss.

Of course, there are those who think that Ukraine's blackmail abilities over the participation of the Western powers in the crime syndicates will dictate that Ukraine will preferably be glassed to cover up the crime scene as mafia standard operating procedure.
4227   DOGEWontAmountToShit   2024 Dec 1, 10:52pm  

Ceffer says

Some Woo think that the demarcation border will be the Dnipro River with Kiev partitioned and Odessa given a diplomatic corridor for access and port use by what remains of Ukraine. I suppose the chunks to Poland, Hungary etc. could be bribes for the local cluster.


Yeah, since 2018:




But now, that chunk on the other side of the Dneiper River may go to Russia.

And Romania may get some chunks, too.

Ceffer says

However, there will be no Ukraine membership in NATO.


Hahaha. Right. The West cannot be trusted at all on honoring that, Binding Treaty or not.

Post-Trump, the Deep State Fucks will be back in biz, that's why.
4228   WookieMan   2024 Dec 2, 1:36am  

DOGEWontAmountToShit says


Hahaha. Right. The West cannot be trusted at all on honoring that, Binding Treaty or not.

This all ends the day Trump gets in office if he proposed Russia join NATO. Bat shit crazy idea, but Russia wanted to be in on NATO I think during the Clinton years. They then could accept Ukraine being in NATO.

Strike while the iron is hot. Dems are dysfunctional right now. Their usual tactics of Trump being a Putin lover won't work. Ukraine then also joins. You've just created the largest alliance and PEACE in history. Trump is a lame duck so I wouldn't be shocked if he tried it. Problem is other NATO countries trusting and agreeing to let them in and I believe it has to be unanimous.

Would hurt some of our natural gas producers here in the states, but it would hurt China more which I know is an objective of Trumps. Europe gets their gas prices down. They don't fear attack. Our energy prices drop because we have so much. We remove the sanctions from Russia and open up trade again with massive caution and oversight.

It also would neuter Iran, Syria, Hezbolla and Hamas. So the whole Israel thing goes away likely. It would be a bold and likely impossible move, but it's what should happen. Guaranteed Nobel Peace Prize for Trump if he pulls it off. China would stop being aggressive knowing 90% of the worlds military could wipe them out in hours. So all this South China sea and Taiwan shit saber rattling would stop.

Russia in NATO could also end the Korean bull shit. I know Trump isn't a fan of NATO, but in one fell swoop he could change the outlook of the globe for generations. We're 55 miles from Eastern Russia. We should be allies really. Also probably shuts down BRICS.

War machine probably would never let it happen though is the other factor. Love or hate it, NATO has stopped Europe from being dip shits for almost a century now. It would be the right move. Spain to edge of Russia. I don't trust Russians, but the benefits far outweigh the negatives. Not a single group of countries could mess with that. It make peace a 90% proposition. Still will be some bull shit, but better than it is now.
4229   goofus   2024 Dec 2, 3:02am  

^re: Russia in NATO, “it’s so crazy it just might work!” Really though, we lost the opportunity of a century in the 90’s to ally with Russia. We needed a Marshall Plan, but instead got Morgenthau when Clinton’s state dept advised Russia undergo economic “shock therapy.” This predictably led to oligarchs, corruption, and a sense that the US couldn’t be trusted. And with Jeffrey Sachs, Madeleine Albright, and Zbigniew at the helm, they were right - that group’s only aim was to weaken and fragment Russia.

For those interested, it really was Jeff Sachs behind the shock therapy idea. For all his sober-mindedness and anti-establishment ‘truth-telling’ (these days), it would be nice if he’d acknowledge that colossal failing.

https://www.jeffsachs.org/newspaper-articles/seagdr7kp2wpe92rgkjarm45asw4fd
4230   WookieMan   2024 Dec 2, 4:08am  

It would be the largest domino that would change history. North Koreans are already defecting from battle. Putin is aging. Just get them in NATO which is what they wanted. So many good things come from it. Africa is a joke. South American is generally a joke. Aussies are on our side. A Russian US alliance just makes sense. That's damn near 60% of the world in the same alliance, which zero other super power. We just have to play in the sandbox nicely. Won't always be pretty.
4232   RayAmerica   2024 Dec 3, 5:52am  

And now, the latest news from the Front (aka, more proof that Ukraine is winning. It really, really is. Any day now Russia will be waving the white flag):



Ukrainian soldiers refusing to report for duty or walking away from their front-line positions are becoming an increasing problem for Kiev. One Ukrainian lawmaker said that there have been as many as 200,000 desertions.

Ukrainian officials and soldiers told the AP that “Facing every imaginable shortage, tens of thousands of Ukrainian troops, tired and bereft, have walked away from combat and front-line positions to slide into anonymity.” The report adds, “Entire units have abandoned their posts, leaving defensive lines vulnerable and accelerating territorial losses, according to military commanders and soldiers.”

Soldiers failing to report to their posts are a rapidly worsening problem for Kiev. In 2022, only 9,000 Ukrainians were prosecuted for desertion. That number increased to 24,000 in 2023. Ukrainian government data showed prosecutions skyrocketed to 50,000 during the first nine months of 2024.

The prosecutions do not capture the whole picture as one Ukrainian lawmaker told AP the number “could be as high as 200,000.” The growing problem is likely a result of war fatigue. “It is clear that now, frankly speaking, we have already squeezed the maximum out of our people,” said one military officer.

Between casualties and desertions, Kiev is facing a massive manpower shortage. The AP noted Kiev lost a net 4,000 soldiers along the front lines in September. The White House is pushing Ukraine to lower its consumption age to 18 to help fill shortages.

https://libertarianinstitute.org/news/as-many-as-200000-ukrainian-soldiers-have-deserted/
4233   DOGEWontAmountToShit   2024 Dec 3, 6:56am  

WookieMan says


Strike while the iron is hot. Dems are dysfunctional right now. Their usual tactics of Trump being a Putin lover won't work


It would require Senate ratification. 2/3 vote.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/03/politics/senate-vote-nato-finland-sweden/index.html

Won't happen.
4235   DOGEWontAmountToShit   2024 Dec 3, 6:58am  

RayAmerica says

Ukrainian officials and soldiers told the AP that “Facing every imaginable shortage, tens of thousands of Ukrainian troops, tired and bereft, have walked away from combat and front-line positions to slide into anonymity.” The report adds, “Entire units have abandoned their posts, leaving defensive lines vulnerable and accelerating territorial losses, according to military commanders and soldiers.”


But @socal2 kept telling us that Ukraine had one of the best armies in the world!
4236   DOGEWontAmountToShit   2024 Dec 3, 7:05am  

RayAmerica says

The White House is pushing Ukraine to lower its consumption age to 18 to help fill shortages


4237   RWSGFY   2024 Dec 3, 7:57am  




One year and one month into the full-out offensive by the "second military in the world", propped up by arms supplies from NoKo and Iran with eyewatering daily losses and here we are...

And half of this time (Oct 23 - Apr 24) even the slow and niggardly US military aid was turned off.

Tell me again how everybody should just roll over and play surrender monkey to mighty Pukin, LOL
4238   socal2   2024 Dec 3, 9:03am  

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

That's what the bullshit caused by the Ukey Nazi Fluffers both on and off of PatNet have wrought by extending this war.


Ha ha! As if Russia didn't try and utterly fail to take Kiev 3 years ago and decapitate the entire government of "nazees"?

Did that not happen? Was it never part of Russia's plan to quickly topple Zelensky's government and install their puppet?

Was it always Russia's plan to get hundreds of thousands of Russians and Ukrainians killed and grievously wounded to barely advance a few miles in trench warfare in the East over the past 3 years?

All part of the plan?

I can see Ukraine hanging on with a defensive war freezing current lines (just with EU weapons) long before Russia being able to start some sort of breakout using North Korean cannon fodder.
4239   Patrick   2024 Dec 3, 10:21am  

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/chicken-kiev-tuesday-december-3-2024


This morning, the Washington Post ran a story with a surprising tone headlined, “Biden surges arms to Ukraine, fearing Trump will halt U.S. aid.” The sub-headline added, “The directive has stirred debate, as some officials worry it will cut too deeply into American stockpiles and jeopardize the military’s needs elsewhere.”

In other words, Zelensky is saying, please! let us keep the killing going just a little bit longer!

How can it possibly help Ukraine to extend the war out for another 30 or 60 days when Ukraine is losing? I could see drawing it out if Ukraine were winning. But this is like getting demolished in a kickboxing match and, as soon as you come to, deliriously begging for a second try through broken teeth. Put me back in!

Even worse, as WaPo admitted, the U.S. has sent so many weapons to Ukraine it is running dangerously low on its own defensive inventories. On top of that, the article makes clear that weapons aren’t even the real problem anymore—it’s that there aren’t enough bodies. “Over the course of especially this last year, it’s just that they’re not mobilizing and training enough soldiers to replace battlefield losses,” a senior administration official explained, adding “on the manpower side, it’s just a question of math and physics.”

Bizarrely, Kiev blames America for its manpower shortage. Since potential recruits recognize there aren’t enough good weapons for a fair fight, the argument goes, they won’t volunteer to join the army. Thus, since America is too slow in sending more more more, Ukraine’s manpower shortage is our fault.

See? There aren’t enough recruits to justify supplying more weapons, but there aren’t enough weapons coming to attract new recruits. Chickens and grenades.

Curiously, I discovered Democrat angst over Hunter’s pardon seeping into the comments of WaPo’s article about Ukraine weaponry:

Biden always waits until it is too late before he does the right thing. This would
have been a much different war if Ukraine had the arms they have now from the
beginning. I had thought Biden would be a good president for the last 40 years.
Boy, was wrong. From picking Harris, to caving to the Progs' spending demands, to
clinging to power, and now to now pardoning his son he has been a disaster.

Whew! The list of Democrat complaints against Biden is really growing.

So, to summarize, the WaPo itself identified four good reasons not to send any more weapons to Ukraine:

Trump will end the war soon anyway, and there’s no chance Kiev could win in the meantime.

U.S. defensive stocks, such as air defense missiles, are getting critically low.

At this point, Ukraine lacks enough men to use the weapons even if supplied.

Zelensky is an annoying little git and everyone is sick and tired of hearing his stupid accent and mangled malapropisms.

Okay, I admit I added the fourth one. The WaPo gave us three good reasons. I won’t repeat the article’s dumb arguments in favor of sending weapons, threadbare as they were. Take my word for it; they were all ineffable expressions of intangible, unquantifiable, zero-calorie, virtue-signaling nonsense, like “teaching other authoritarians a lesson.”

Yeah! Teach them a lesson! Wait, who? What lesson? Who cares! Rockets wheeeeeee

What was most remarkable about this otherwise unremarkable story was that the WaPo actually included both sides of the argument, a breathtaking reversion to pre-pandemic journalistic standards. It’s far too early to conclude the media is trying to rehabilitate itself; it’s more likely that the embargo on anti-Kiev reporting is over, because voters recently proved the constant stream of pro-war propaganda isn’t working anymore.
4240   WookieMan   2024 Dec 3, 10:43am  

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

It would require Senate ratification. 2/3 vote.

Hopium. Didn't say it will happen, but just saying it would be the best outcome. Russia gets the land it wants and Ukraine would then be protected as well. Create trade agreements like we did with neighbors. Mexico and Canada are basically states at this point.

Fact is Russia and Ukraine could get along outside of the NATO bullshit currently if they were both in it. It would fuck China and N. Korea over. It would wall China and N. Korea in and not act like cunts because India is no friend to China either. Lift the sanctions which are absolutely destroying Russia as they lie about stats.

I agree that 2/3rd of the Senate wouldn't approve it, but no one has actually tried. It could literally stabilize the entire Northeastern hemisphere overnight. Still have to get full approval of other NATO countries. So again, likely impossible. That would just leave the turd of Africa to figure out. South America is somewhat bad, but is overhyped because of Venezuela.

I don't know if Putin wants it either, but it could open up the floodgates of money for Russia and give them protection. There would be so many wins. If politics weren't involved it's an obvious solution. Given our own corruption, it's another avenue to get money for congress critters.
4242   Patrick   2024 Dec 3, 7:39pm  

https://thepeoplesvoice.tv/pentagon-secretly-awarded-covid-19-research-contract-to-ukraine-3-months-before-pandemic-existed/


The United States Department of Defence (DOD) awarded a contract to a bio-lab in Ukraine for “COVID-19 Research” on the 12th November 2019 – three months before the pandemic officially existed.

According to newly released documents, the contract awarded to Labyrinth Global Health INC was part of a secretive ‘Biological threat reduction program in Ukraine’.

Coincidentally, Labyrinth Global Health has been collaborating with Peter Daszak’s EcoHealth Alliance, and Ernest Wolfe’s Metabiota since its formation in 2017.
4243   goofus   2024 Dec 3, 11:16pm  

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

goofus says



would be nice if he’d acknowledge that colossal failing.


He did.

https://open.substack.com/pub/taibbi/p/a-true-shock-economist-jeffrey-sachs


Thank you! Good article. It seems he did try, didn’t he. He’s viewed as a proponent of shock therapy, but perhaps not the “privatize all assets into the hands of 11 oligarchs, 10 of which are dual citizens with Israel and have western capital” version. https://www.nytimes.com/1993/06/27/magazine/dr-jeffrey-sachs-shock-therapist.html

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