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2022 Apr 29, 9:29pm   838,884 views  7,314 comments

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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/pimco-kiesel-called-housing-top-160339396.html?source=patrick.net

Bond manager Mark Kiesel sold his California home in 2006, when he presciently predicted the housing bubble would pop. He bought again in 2012, after U.S. prices fell more than 30% and found a floor.

Now, after a record surge in prices, Kiesel says the time to sell is once again at hand.

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7271   TheAntiPanicanLearingCenter   2025 Dec 15, 6:37pm  

The_Deplorable says


Not true. The supply of houses in the market is low because we are dealing with a monopoly. Something like 90% plus of the houses in the USA are owned by six financial companies.

That can't be right. Not even in hot markets. I think it's less than 5% by institutions (and another 5% by smaller, local companies NOT owned or managed by REITs or Funds) and that was COVID peak, they've unloaded quite a bit as the markets expected to "Go up forever" like Texas, Tennessee, and Florida are declining the fastest
7272   FortWayneHatesRealtors   2025 Dec 15, 6:39pm  

The_Deplorable says

GNL says

"That is a misprint for sure. 90% of all houses are owned by 6 financial companies? What?"

Yes, we are dealing with a huge monopoly here.
Think about it: For the first time in our history, interest rates are going up and housing prices are not coming down.


“Managed” economy. Inflation is insane too. We are buying our own debt. Suicide.
7273   The_Deplorable   2025 Dec 15, 8:36pm  

Earlier I wrote: The supply of houses in the market is low because we are dealing
with a monopoly. Something like 90% plus of the houses in the USA are owned by
six financial companies.

FreeAmericanDOP says

"That can't be right...

Think of it this way. The housing bubble goes back about 20 years to Alan Greenspan
who deliberately kept interest rates low (based on the Fed minutes).
Greenspan was the Fed chairman at the time.
7274   TheAntiPanicanLearingCenter   2025 Dec 15, 8:55pm  

Approximately 2-4% of single-family homes in the USA are owned by large institutional investors or financial companies (typically defined as entities owning 100+ or 1,000+ properties, such as private equity firms, REITs like Invitation Homes, or major corporate landlords).This figure comes from multiple recent analyses as of 2024-2025:Institutional investors own about 3.8% of the nation's single-family rental properties (Urban Institute, Brookings, and related reports), and since single-family rentals make up roughly 15-18% of all single-family homes, this translates to under 1% of the total stock in some estimates—but focused on larger entities.
Very large investors (1,000+ homes) own around 2.2% of investor-held properties, which themselves comprise ~20% of the ~86 million single-family homes (BatchData and John Burns Research & Consulting reports from 2025).
Overall, large institutional ownership is consistently described as less than 2-4% nationally (Econofact, GAO, and Harvard Joint Center for Housing Studies), though higher (up to 10-25%) in specific Sunbelt markets like Atlanta or Charlotte.

Broader "investors" (including small "mom-and-pop" landlords owning 1-10 properties) own about 20% of single-family homes, but these are mostly individuals, not financial companies.Claims of much higher corporate ownership (e.g., 20% by private equity) are debunked as misconceptions confusing total investor activity with large financial institutions. Investor purchases of new sales have risen (25-33% in 2025 quarters), but this is driven mostly by small buyers, and stock ownership changes slowly.

https://x.com/i/grok/share/yHd5zAyHJtLxroy0uI5dacvUR

The big shots have been dumping out of the hotter markets in the Sunbelt for over a year now (despite claims of local non-pro homeloaners and realtors, who are usually several quarters behind reality), selling off in small pieces, though now they are screwed in Tampa.

I'm no friend of big finance (needs to be cut down 3 pegs, not just one) but it's just the ordinary sticky upwards mentality of many Homeloaners. For all their bitchin, many of them didn't take advantage just a little of the greatest stock runup in history and really bet it all on the house appreciating several fold since 1993 to retire on.
7275   TheAntiPanicanLearingCenter   2025 Dec 15, 9:34pm  

Midwest Party, formerly hot markets wallow

7276   AD   2025 Dec 17, 5:50pm  

At the current rate of 6.2% for conventional 30 year mortgage, prices need to come down at least 20% from peak prices set in 2022.

.......................

Homebuilder Lennar Cuts Prices by 10% as CEO Admits Buyers Face an ‘Affordability Crisis’

https://www.realtor.com/news/real-estate-news/lennar-earnings-price-cut-december-2025/
7277   TheAntiPanicanLearingCenter   2025 Dec 17, 5:53pm  

I like a 6.2% interest rate. Good and normal.

People are too habituated, too addicted, too mentally enslaved to too low interest rates, which creates a debt borrowing frenzy. 5-8% is the healthy range. It could be cut a bit for the reindustrialization, but not too much, either.
7279   Ceffer   2025 Dec 17, 11:00pm  

There is no rage quitter like a California equity snob quitter. I'm watching Santa Cruz with interest. A place three doors down in Santa Cruz, which is reasonably priced for what it is in California, hasn't sold for six months and it's staged very nicely.
7280   The_Deplorable   2025 Dec 18, 12:29am  

All the above is evidence that the housing market is a monopoly...

Supply and demand does not exist...
7281   TheAntiPanicanLearingCenter   2025 Dec 18, 12:35am  

"Why don't Americans save? You can always buy a CD here in low rate early 2010s and get a whopping 0.3% return. Doesn't that make you want to put your money to sleep for a year?"
7283   Misc   2025 Dec 19, 12:15pm  

Nothing is going on in the housing market. Sales of existing homes about 4 million. Half a percent lower than last year. Pre-Covid, sales were a touch above 5 million per year. There's still no inventory (about 1.4 million for sale. Pre-Covid, inventory was running about 2 million for sale). Inventory is up a whopping 7.5% from last year...so it only needs to increase another 45% roughly to get back to pre-covid inventory levels. Prices for houses sold up a touch over 1% from last year. 29 months of year over year price increases, but I wouldn't read too much into that considering how anemic the increases have been.

Overall, a whole lot of nothing.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/realestate/why-were-home-prices-still-climbing-last-month-despite-slowing-sales/ar-AA1SGuyy?pc=HCTS
7285   TheAntiPanicanLearingCenter   2025 Dec 19, 3:50pm  

MolotovCocktail says








Yep. Eventually life changes and reality will overwhelm the ability of stubborn homeloaners to list and de-list, stomp their feet, try to rent, be disappointed with that, and finally accept reality.

They are in the "I'm entitled to peak pricing! Home prices only go up!" phase.

And no, institutional ownership of homes is not a factor; the big boys have been selling off in slices since 2023 and are mostly concentrated in a handful of metro areas. Their total ownership of about 10% is less than "Mom and Pop" landlords (20-30%) and a tiny proportion to house and houseloan owners (over 60%)

The Houseloan owners are the most important segment, they are making big payments that if they stop, the bank will repo "Their" house. Yes I know about property tax, but the big one is the House Loan.
7286   HeadSet   2025 Dec 20, 1:56pm  

AmenCorner_AntiPanican says

I like a 6.2% interest rate. Good and normal.

People are too habituated, too addicted, too mentally enslaved to too low interest rates

You may be part of that "habituation" if you think 6.2% is normal. 6% is more like passbook savings while mortgages over the decades averaged more like 7.5 to 8%. And mortgages typically required a down payment.
7287   HeadSet   2025 Dec 20, 2:03pm  

Ceffer says

A place three doors down in Santa Cruz, which is reasonably priced for what it is in California, hasn't sold for six months and it's staged very nicely.

Well, they would get you as a neighbor.
7289   Glock-n-Load   2025 Dec 20, 5:16pm  

MolotovCocktail says




https://x.com/onechancefreedm/status/2002164275041702380

What else needs to be known that proves our economy is totally managed? Especially all of the most important parts/industries. The ones EVERYONE needs.
7291   FortWayneHatesRealtors   2025 Dec 21, 6:57pm  

MolotovCocktail says






Is there a link to when Trump said that?
7292   MolotovCocktail   2025 Dec 21, 8:44pm  

FortWayneHatesRealtors says


Is there a link to when Trump said that?


I already posted it here:

https://patrick.net/comment?comment_id=2232497
7293   FortWayneHatesRealtors   2025 Dec 22, 8:24am  

MolotovCocktail says


FortWayneHatesRealtors says


Is there a link to when Trump said that?


I already posted it here:

https://patrick.net/comment?comment_id=2232497



Thanks. He’s trying to g to eat the cake and have it too.

Never seen a builder who was ok with real estate prices going down. The whole game is price inflation to borrow money from previous asset to put into next. Definitely explains the 50 year government backed mortgage trial balloon bullshit he tried.
7294   MolotovCocktail   2025 Dec 22, 10:04am  

FortWayneHatesRealtors says

The whole game is price inflation to borrow money from previous asset to put into next. Definitely explains the 50 year government backed mortgage trial balloon bullshit he tried.


Yup:


7295   The_Deplorable   2025 Dec 22, 11:38am  

The admin cannot "increase affordability" because we are dealing with a monopoly. Something
like 90% plus of the houses in the USA are owned by six financial companies.
7296   HeadSet   2025 Dec 22, 5:25pm  

The_Deplorable says

Something
like 90% plus of the houses in the USA are owned by six financial companies.

About 50% are Freddie Mae and Fanny Mac
7297   Patrick   2026 Jan 7, 10:24am  

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/115855059527504524


@realDonaldTrump

For a very long time, buying and owning a home was considered the pinnacle of the American Dream. It was the reward for working hard, and doing the right thing, but now, because of the Record High Inflation caused by Joe Biden and the Democrats in Congress, that American Dream is increasingly out of reach for far too many people, especially younger Americans. It is for that reason, and much more, that I am immediately taking steps to ban large institutional investors from buying more single-family homes, and I will be calling on Congress to codify it. People live in homes, not corporations. I will discuss this topic, including further Housing and Affordability proposals, and more, at my speech in Davos in two weeks.


It's nice that he's aware, but the real solution is to build a LOT more housing near areas where the jobs are.

Increase supply. This will annoy those boomers who profit from restricting supply and preventing young couples from owning houses and raising families. But the alternative is our current slow strangulation to keep boomers happy.

I know the rules around building are mostly state and local, but there's probably a lot the federal government can do, like pressuring states to increase supply, and freeing up federal land for housing near jobs.
7298   HeadSet   2026 Jan 7, 1:33pm  

Patrick says

It's nice that he's aware, but the real solution is to build a LOT more housing near areas where the jobs are.

True, but taking existing homes out of Airbnb and corporate rentals adds for to the supply for sale.
7299   GNL   2026 Jan 7, 1:51pm  

HeadSet says

Patrick says


It's nice that he's aware, but the real solution is to build a LOT more housing near areas where the jobs are.

True, but taking existing homes out of Airbnb and corporate rentals adds for to the supply for sale.

I find it quite surprising that Airbnb is allowed. Isn't that a commercial endeavor? Why was it ever allowed in residential zoned areas?
7300   🎂 stereotomy   2026 Jan 7, 3:51pm  

GNL says

Why was it ever allowed in residential zoned areas?

Corruption
7302   Misc   2026 Jan 7, 8:19pm  

Sorry Biden with his housing vouchers for immigrants is no longer open for business. Under him it would've been a done deal.
7304   TheAntiPanicanLearingCenter   2026 Jan 7, 8:31pm  

Patrick says


Increase supply. This will annoy those boomers who profit from restricting supply and preventing young couples from owning houses and raising families. But the alternative is our current slow strangulation to keep boomers happy.

We need an emergency executive order that allows any property over a quarter of an acre to allow an RV for up to 10 years without building a permanent structure.

Boomers zoned this out after quite a few of them brought the land, lived in an RV or bottom grade mfg home, and slowly built a house cash starting with the foundation, then the basic living room, kitchen, bathroom core, then the bedrooms.
7305   zzyzzx   2026 Jan 8, 11:30am  

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/real-estate/article-15443687/us-housing-prices-fall-crash-austin-sandiego.html

Over HALF of US metros now seeing home prices fall in strongest sign yet a housing crash is looming
7306   Patrick   2026 Jan 8, 11:41am  

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/real-estate/article-15443687/us-housing-prices-fall-crash-austin-sandiego.html


Over HALF of US metros now seeing home prices fall in strongest sign yet a housing crash is looming

Housing market anxiety is spreading — with 26 of the country’s 50 biggest metro areas now seeing home prices lower than they were a year ago.

For the first time in nearly three years, the median US listing price has also slipped below $400,000 ...

While prices are down 0.6 percent nationally, that average disguises much steeper falls across large swathes of the country.

Worst is Austin, TX, where prices have plunged 7.3 percent over the past year to $462,000, the biggest drop of any major metro.

The pain is spreading well beyond Texas. Prices are down 6.7 percent in San Diego, CA slipping to just under $900,000, while nearby San Jose has seen values fall 5.5 percent to $1.19 million.


Excellent news! (for young couples wanting to start a family)
7307   GNL   2026 Jan 8, 12:11pm  

TheAntiPanicanLearingCenter says

Patrick says



Increase supply. This will annoy those boomers who profit from restricting supply and preventing young couples from owning houses and raising families. But the alternative is our current slow strangulation to keep boomers happy.

We need an emergency executive order that allows any property over a quarter of an acre to allow an RV for up to 10 years without building a permanent structure.

Boomers zoned this out after quite a few of them brought the land, lived in an RV or bottom grade mfg home, and slowly built a house cash starting with the foundation, then the basic living room, kitchen, bathroom core, then the bedrooms.

My parents did just that.
7308   Patrick   2026 Jan 8, 1:22pm  

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/pygmalion-thursday-january-8-2026


In a dramatic Truth Social post, the President explained, “People live in homes, not corporations.” President Trump announced he is “immediately taking steps to ban large institutional investors from buying more single-family homes.” ...

Trump is unlikely to deploy an outright ban, which would probably be unconstitutional. But Congress has very broad authority under the Commerce Clause to regulate institutional purchases of single‑family homes, because large investors operate in interstate capital and rental markets. So Trump (with help from Congress) could lawfully limit these investors’ access to federal programs like GSE guarantees, FHA insurance, and tax preferences, discouraging them to stop acquiring additional owner‑occupied housing.

The BBC reported that shares of related property firms immediately fell yesterday after Trump’s comments. For instance, Invitation Homes, which owns single-family homes, fell -6%. BlackRock fell almost -8% on the news, but recovered somewhat after the firm forcefully denied directly owning residential homes (which is true, but misleading; BlackRock invests in certain companies and investment funds that do buy residential homes at scale).

You’ll recall that the two main planks of the Democrats’ affordability narrative are housing and healthcare, which in turn are two of the biggest expenses that younger Americans face. By tackling a well-protected political lobby —Wall Street— Trump expertly outflanked Democrat bills planned for the congressional pipeline this year in advance of the midterms. If Trump’s initiative works, we could see real estate prices —especially in starter homes— plunge.


Excellent news for young couples.
7309   MolotovCocktail   2026 Jan 8, 1:41pm  

zzyzzx says

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/real-estate/article-15443687/us-housing-prices-fall-crash-austin-sandiego.html

Over HALF of US metros now seeing home prices fall in strongest sign yet a housing crash is looming


But the Housing Experts on PatNet told me all last year that this wouldn't happen!
7310   HeadSet   2026 Jan 8, 3:28pm  

TheAntiPanicanLearingCenter says

quite a few of them brought the land, lived in an RV or bottom grade mfg home, and slowly built a house cash starting with the foundation, then the basic living room, kitchen, bathroom core, then the bedrooms.

I had several high school friends whose parents lived in houses that were built over time as they lived in them. One guy even used parts from the demotion of a William And Mary building.

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