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PeopleUnited says

Therefore consider the members of your earthly body as dead to immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and greed, which amounts to idolatry.

And then we have this quote ...

1 Corinthians 10:20-22 ... "Or do we provoke the Lord to jealousy?"

So the creator of universe, whose life force exists in all living beings & thus, no one's thoughts, emotions, etc, can even persist without him, falls into a state of jealousy, a base human emotion (& a loser one for that).

That's not the sign of the greatest force of the universe but some inter-dimensional entity which is not distinguishable to any angelic or demonic entity out there.

Which brings back the original question ... are Jack Nicklaus's golf clubs an idol? Should he even play golf, since it's based upon human passion ... one your Colossians 3:5 deadly sins?

Should Jack Nicklaus simply be a street cleaner for his hometown until his death, even though he's capable of playing golf? And what's being a street cleaner other than a servant for his local town hall? Is that really what the (non-denominational: universal force) or God wants for him?

Rin says

Is that really what God wants for him?

God’s will for every person is that they be converted from a sinner under the curse of sin and death and change into a new creature in Christ.

2 Corinthians 5:17 Context

“14For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. 16Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. 17Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 18And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; 19To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. 20Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.”

So unless the Golden Bear has been converted, everything that stands between him and God is an idol. Once he is converted God will let Jack know if he should continue playing golf or make a change.

PeopleUnited says

So unless the Golden Bear has been converted, everything that stands between him and God is an idol. Once he is converted God will let Jack know if he should continue playing golf or make a change.

Sounds more like entity possession to me.

Nothing can exist w/o God (or the Supreme Being or Universal 'whatever' for the lack of a better set of terms).

And thus, if the Golden Bear was to play golf, then that was his destiny regardless of whether or not he joined your denomination. And would he continue to play golf afterwards, heck, it's a job so why not? And if that's his true talent (which most would suspect) then why instead, be a street cleaner or run the charity fund for some denomination when his own charity work makes much more money for the needy w/o them needing to convert to a particular church? And at the same time, it coaches others on how to play golf as a benefit as well.

Swedenborg also believed that he was converted but yet, he was little more than an old school channeler, letting entities tell him what to believe in. A whole church grew out of his delusions.

these are “conservative” parents of a trans in CA.

https://video.foxnews.com/v/6307583800112#sp=show-clips

where is all this insane shit coming from? its like a fucking fad came in last two years to suddenly trans all the kids. there got to be a source of all this.

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

these are “conservative” parents of a trans in CA.

https://video.foxnews.com/v/6307583800112#sp=show-clips

where is all this insane shit coming from? its like a fucking fad came in last two years to suddenly trans all the kids. there got to be a source of all this.

It’s fucking nuts. My SIL attended a parents meeting for my nephews private Westside school. She had to have my brother come pick her up early. She said she was about to lose her shit and lash out because so many of the parents were taking about how proud they were that their kids were displaying attributes of gender fluidity. Literally wearing it as a badge of pride.

Then a few days later Dennis Prager spoke about parents on the Westside having it as a regular topic of conversation.

It’s a fad amongst very very stupid leftist parents. I have zero doubt at this point that transgenderism is almost entirely driven by emotion.

My dad has a IQ over 150. There was never a possibility that my brother and I were not going to college. Both of us had an easy upbringing and neither physically imposing. Yet we grew up fishing, hunting, hiking, camping, and learning to work on cars. I’m a good man and good husband because of it and so is my brother. My brother, despite having a rich man’s income and lifestyle is introducing both his boys to the same.

God help the kids being raised by the incredibly stupid.

Rin says

Sounds more like entity possession to me.

It sounds like that to you because you are a natural man.

1 Corinthians 2:14 Context

“11For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. 12Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. 16For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.”Rin says

And thus, if the Golden Bear was to play golf, then that was his destiny regardless of whether or not he joined your denomination.

I agree, that it was his destiny to play golf. But it is also his destiny to either become a new creature in Christ or remain cursed with sin and death. My denomination has nothing to do with it. Salvation is not exclusive to any church or religious system, salvation is a gift of God given freely to all who will receive it. Romans 6:23 reads, "For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

It’s a fad amongst very very stupid leftist parents. I have zero doubt at this point that transgenderism is almost entirely driven by emotion.

It's like a leftwing Penis Panic or Tulip Madness.

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

these are “conservative” parents of a trans in CA.

https://video.foxnews.com/v/6307583800112#sp=show-clips

where is all this insane shit coming from? its like a fucking fad came in last two years to suddenly trans all the kids. there got to be a source of all this.

SATAN

I watched again. I don’t believe it’s a real story. Not sure what elements are false yet, but there something very off.

PeopleUnited says

you are a natural man.

I'm far more than some 'natural' man. I've encountered the spirit entities and know a lot about them. Unlike Swedenborg, I've rejected 'em but see that many of you, being unconscious spirits, know nothing of them. I have a term for ppl like you ... the inferior souls. The ones who know nothing about 'the Universe' and depend upon verses, texts, some sayings from church fathers, etc, to push you ahead.

I was chosen to do the work for humanity, first by ending feminism (Rin Wah Law) and second, to eliminate the fraud that's Fauci's modern medicine. Yes, him & his clubhouse are 21st century Pharisees.

Rin says

I've encountered the spirit entities and know a lot about them.

God is a spirit. But you are correct, there are many other spirits. These entities were created by Him. They have free will, and are able to reject God just like us inferior souls. These entities are able to influence and interact with humans and animals. An interesting but somewhat forgotten history is that of the Nephalim. They were able to interact with the physical world and even create offspring with humans.

A natural man is just someone who does not have the Spirit of God. Have you encountered His Spirit? If you have heard his call I encourage you to answer it. You have contributed much as you have said, but if you die without Christ it will all be unprofitable.God said his Spirit will not always strive with man, there will come a day for every natural man when it is too late to heed the call. The good news is the natural man can become a new creature in Christ, just by accepting the gift of repentance and faith.

PeopleUnited says

God is a spirit.

Not at all, something far greater than some transmedium force, the creator of all consciousness. Anything less than that is just another entity.

PeopleUnited says

there will come a day for every natural man when it is too late to heed the call.

I've died and come back, many many times. This isn't the first and won't the last. I've also been at the monastery with St Francis of Assisi, many centuries ago. I still vaguely recall him.

I think that you're just another theologian, like many I've encountered over the years. Do you honestly think that I fear the end? People like you, when these days are over, will enter the tunnel of light, get your third eye/head center burnt out, forget everything, and then, another group of entities will take control of your destiny. This is the scenario which plays out for most.

As far as I'm concerned, this religious/spiritual conversation was over before it even began. And I'm talking about prior to 2012, before I joined PatNet. This is how destiny works.

Rin says

Not at all, something far greater than some transmedium force, the creator of all consciousness

Yes, God is a spirit, but you said well, He is not just a spirit, but the creator of all. God has three parts, the Father/Creator/eternal soul, the Son/Redeemer in the flesh, the Spirit. So yes, He is a Spirit, and much more as you said.

Incidentally He created man in His own image, everyone has an eternal soul, a body, and while every person born into this world is spiritually dead, every person can be reborn in the Spirit by faith in Jesus.

Gospel of John, chapter 3. Jesus says to Nicodemus in verse 5, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God."

Everyone born into this world is carried in a sac of water. But it is the second birth, born again of the Spirit that makes a person truly alive.

Ephesians 2:1 Context

1And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; 2Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: 3Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. 4But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,“
Rin says

I've died and come back, many many times.

No, you have not.

Hebrews 9:27 Context

24For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: 25Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others; 26For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: 28So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.”

Rin says

Do you honestly think that I fear the end?

I don’t know what you are afraid of. But I do know that the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom.

Rin says

I think that you're just another theologian,

I’m not just another anything. I’m a sinner, saved by grace through faith in the Lord Christ Jesus who being blameless was the only person who could pay my sin debt for me. And though I am a sinner, my Savior loved me anyway and willingly laid down His life for me. Which brings us back to where we started. Jesus ate with sinners, and that is because he loves them.

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

where is all this insane shit coming from? its like a fucking fad came in last two years to suddenly trans all the kids. there got to be a source of all this.

F2M is exceedingly, blindingly rare.

Remember those "Vague Sicknesses" that spread through schools periodically? This is it, but on a wider scale.

AmericanKulak says

F2M is exceedingly, blindingly rare

It's a lot easier to cut off a dick than sew one on.

Lately I keep seeing more and more leftist ideologicals in church positions, like this one:



The pronouns, "resisting christian nationalism", and BLM support bother me. And he's "super pumped" his town had a pride event, and is supporting the "native americans should be angry" propaganda by declaring he lives on Quinnipiac land. He looks young, so maybe that explains why he appears brainwashed with leftism, but still.

Does anyone else think we might be upon the cusp of some wave of change in the church? I fear many closet gays have congregated in churches, either specifically attracted to the church as gays, or they were molested as children by a church member, and it made them gay, or maybe the whole celibacy thing made some turn to the secrecy afforded by forbidden encounters with men. Whatever. But what happens if there's some wave of this currently silent but likely large group, where they start publicly supporting many leftist ideas because they personally identify with them on behalf of their gayness? It could be quite the infiltration, and very demoralizing.

PeopleUnited says

Rin says

I've died and come back, many many times.

No, you have not.

Ok, you've just called me a liar. That's the same as accepting the challenge.

All you have are quotes from other men, not the real goods.

Let's not have this conversation online, ever again.

Hircus says

Lately I keep seeing more and more leftist ideologicals in church positions, like this one:



The pronouns, "resisting christian nationalism", and BLM support bother me. And he's "super pumped" his town had a pride event, and is supporting the "native americans should be angry" propaganda by declaring he lives on Quinnipiac land. He looks young, so maybe that explains why he appears brainwashed with leftism, but still.

Does anyone else think we might be upon the cusp of some wave of change in the church? I fear many closet gays have congregated in churches, either specifically attracted to the church as gays, or they were molested as children by a church member, and it made them gay, or maybe the whole celibacy thing made some turn to the secrecy afforded by forbidden encounters with men. Whatever. But what happens if there's some wave of this currently silent but like...

The guys whole persona is just insane. I get that some issues are complicated, but discussing anything with this guy would be next to impossible because everything is cloaked in a massive word salad.

I don’t understand what he is even supporting or against. I don’t know what white nationalism or Christian nationalism are. I don’t know what blm supports. They won’t define a damn thing. They are all openly dishonest.

Hircus says

Lately I keep seeing more and more leftist ideologicals in church positions, like this one:



The pronouns, "resisting christian nationalism", and BLM support bother me. And he's "super pumped" his town had a pride event, and is supporting the "native americans should be angry" propaganda by declaring he lives on Quinnipiac land. He looks young, so maybe that explains why he appears brainwashed with leftism, but still.

Does anyone else think we might be upon the cusp of some wave of change in the church? I fear many closet gays have congregated in churches, either specifically attracted to the church as gays, or they were molested as children by a church member, and it made them gay, or maybe the whole celibacy thing made some turn to the secrecy afforded by forbidden encounters with men. Whatever. But what happens if there's some wave of this currently silent but like...

very faggy priest. could be fake, twitter is fake and gay.

Rin says

PeopleUnited says

Rin says

I've died and come back, many many times.

No, you have not.

Ok, you've just called me a liar. That's the same as accepting the challenge.

All you have are quotes from other men, not the real goods.

First of all don’t put words in my mouth. No one is calling you anything other than a man.

You are a man right?

And second of all if you are a man, why should your word be any more reliable than another man or men who have gone before us?

And third, saying what you believe to be true even if false does not make a person a liar. Many people believe and tell about things they believe happened that never really happened. That does not make them liars. It makes them human.

PeopleUnited says

saying what you believe to be true even if false

Let me make an alteration to the above statement ...

"saying what PeopleUnited believes to be true even if false"

Do you see how the game works? You're attempting to gaslight me & then, I respond to it. This conversation on this forum is over. The fight will go on on the inner plane.

If you're correct then your so-called spirit entities will defeat me, otherwise, it'll inverse itself upon you.

PeopleUnited says

Rin says

Is that really what God wants for him?

God’s will for every person is that they be converted from a sinner under the curse of sin and death and change into a new creature in Christ.

2 Corinthians 5:17 Context

“14For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. 16Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. 17Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 18And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;...

@PeopleUnited - I should introduce you to a very religious Muslim acquaintance I just recently met. I genuinely wonder if you could both just talk, and not argue. My impression is that he despises the left but he also has great dislike of other Islamic variations.

Hmm, I just realized I don't know what version of Islam he adheres to.

He was in jail for 3 years he tells me. He's a young man, 25. Egyptian living in Turkey. I wonder if you can find your commonalities rather than your differences?

Rin says

PeopleUnited says

saying what you believe to be true even if false

Let me make an alteration to the above statement ...

"saying what PeopleUnited believes to be true even if false"

Do you see how the game works? You're attempting to gaslight me & then, I respond to it. This conversation on this forum is over. The fight will go on on the inner plane.

If you're correct then your so-called spirit entities will defeat me, otherwise, it'll inverse itself upon you.

Yeah, I guess I am gaslighting you. Because when a person has a false sense of reality they need a reality check. I have “memories” of previous lives too. However I know they are not things that actually happened to me, maybe it is echos of ancestral experiences, or maybe they are just lucid dreams. I also have deja vu from time to time, I am certain I have been in a particular experience before. But again I know it is not real.

What I am not doing is I am not fighting with you. It is simply a discussion. Perhaps God is striving with your soul as you implied. If so, may He bless you and keep you, may His face shine upon you and be merciful and gracious unto you, May He lift up His countenance upon you and give you His peace.

He is coming again soon!

King James Bible
And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

(The bride in this passage is all Christians)

Irichwicks says

- I should introduce you to a very religious Muslim acquaintance I just recently met.

I am not much for religion. Religion will fail a person, but Jesus never will.

You can send your friend this https://www.chick.com/products/tract?stk=0029

If he wants to talk to someone after that...

PeopleUnited says

. Perhaps God is striving with your soul as you implied. If so, may He bless you and keep you, may His face shine upon you and be merciful and gracious unto you, May He lift up His countenance upon you and give you His peace.

Don't insult my intelligence by presuming you know the mind of God.

PeopleUnited says

Because when a person has a false sense of reality they need a reality check.

What utter unconscious gaslighting nonsense. What do you know about reality?

You talk about your verses as if those are verifiable by science (not Fauci science, but more like Galileo or Newton). If anything, the fact that I've been involved in exorcising spirits from ppl and have met others like you, attached to spirit entities, makes my reality more real than your diatribes. And you talk about 'reality'?

If you want to persist in this, then I'll start launching psychic assaults against you with the caveat of wrecking your vision of reality & the fact that once you've gaslighted me, you've given me the karmic right to launch a counterattack.

Understand, I don't believe in forgiveness. That's between you and Jesus.

richwicks says

Egyptian living in Turkey. I wonder if you can find your commonalities rather than your differences?

PeopleUnited says

I am not much for religion. Religion will fail a person, but Jesus never will.

Rickwick, he's only looking for the differences and then, pushing that guy to submit to reconciliation via Christianity instead of giving him a choice which could include other faiths, aside from Islam (which we know is terroristic & a part of Arabic colonialism).

This person is little more than a typical fanatic. He has no 'Reality based' proof of anything he says and then, backs up that proof by quoting scripture. Any Tom, Dick, & Harry televangelist can do that.

Rin says

Don't insult my intelligence

No insult intended or implied. Simply acknowledging your own words,Rin says

The fight will go on on the inner plane.

When God was striving with Paul (then Saul of Tarsus who was killing Christians thinking it was a service to God) there was pain involved in coming to an understanding of the truth.
Rin says

Understand, I don't believe in forgiveness

What other option is there for someone who has screwed up?Rin says

This person is little more than a typical fanatic. He has no 'Reality based' proof of anything he says

But we can believe you about multiple lives, exorcism and psychic assaults?

Remember gaslighting is only a bad thing if the person doesn’t have a warped view of reality. And besides that using the term “gaslighting” is really just a way to demonize telling the truth to someone who believes a falsehood. Essentially you claimed I called you a liar, ( I did not) and then you responded by calling me a gas lighter which is certainly a disparaging remark. Am I therefore your enemy because I tell you the truth?

I truly believe that if you die without Christ you will regret it for eternity. The greatest gift you can therefore receive is forgiveness. And I would not wish you ill in any wise. That is why I took the time to share my faith with you.

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By the way, I have not ever met one single person who truly, gave their life to Christ who ever regretted it for even one second.

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God doesn’t think you are a waste of time. And I don’t either. Someday you may thank me. But know this, I truly do care for your soul.

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PeopleUnited says

Paul (then Saul of Tarsus who was killing Christians

Speaking of 'reality', Paul had a vision of Christ on the road to Damascus. The 13th disciple never met Jesus in person.

If anything, that's no more real than someone channeling an entity or performing "an exorcism" ... using your own words.

Where's the so-called science in your belief system, other than having the no of followers as some benchmark for success?

Gaslighting works in both directions.

FYI I did not mark your comments as personal, but someone did. So obviously you overstepped the rules of decency on this site.

I believe you referred to exorcism, and I simply acknowledged your claimRin says

the fact that I've been involved in exorcising spirits from ppl

What is science? The observation of the world in order to understand laws of the universe.

Observation when repeated over and over again can lead to what is known as truth. But we still must believe and accept that the observations are valid, and we should reevaluate our truth if the observations start to point us in a new direction.

My observation is that the word of God is true. And everyone who truly receives these words in their heart, and practices them by faith is forever grateful and forever changed.

The more I observe the world around me and the Word of God, the more convinced I am that the Word of God created this world, and everything He says will happen (either has already, or soon will be fulfilled.) God is multidimensional so in His reality everything He said has actually already happened, we are just waiting to catch up with Him.

PeopleUnited says

My observation is that the word of God is true. And everyone who truly receives these words in their heart, and practices them by faith is forever grateful and forever changed.

The more I observe the world around me and the Word of God, the more convinced I am that the Word of God created this world, and everything He says will happen either has already, or soon will be fulfilled.

My observation is that you listen to a guy named Paul of Tarsus, who'd only seen Jesus as a vision during a collapse on the road to Damascus. Yes, Paul's existence was verified by historians and anthropologists.

And then you lecture me about 'reality' when in fact, you're also following someone else's delusions.

I know an exact person like that who reads every word written by an Alice Bailey who was in fact, alive in the 20th century (both England & New York areas) & spoke with "Grandmasters from some Shamballa", and speaks about it as if it were the cornerstone for the 21st century's awakening. And Alice's existence was verified as she's got an American granddaughter who's still alive right now. Yes, he corresponds with her.

I think Alice was delusional & that her so-called masters are like all the entities which ppl channel all the time.

In all honesty, I have no need for either of you.

Your friend is a red herring. Painting with a broad brush to avoid facing the facts. There is nothing delusional about believing in coming back from the dead by your own “experience” so from my perspective once you are willing to accept that, you are already a man of faith.

The next step is simply defining and practicing your faith.

Christian Reformed Church codifies homosexual sex as sin in its declaration of faith
(RNS) — The Christian Reformed Church, a small evangelical denomination of U.S. and Canadian churches, voted Wednesday (June 15) at its annual synod to codify its opposition to homosexual sex by elevating it to the status of confession, or declaration of faith. The 123-53 vote at Calvin University in Grand Rapids, Michigan, caps a process begun in 2016 when a previous synod voted to form a study committee to bring a report on the “biblical theology” of sexuality. The vote, following a long day of debate, approves a list of what the denomination calls sexual immorality it won’t tolerate, including “adultery, premarital sex, extra-marital sex, polyamory, pornography and homosexual sex.” “The church must warn its members that those who refuse to repent of these sins — as well as of idolatry, greed, and other such sins — will not inherit the kingdom of God,” the report says. “It must discipline those who refuse to repent of such sins for the sake of their souls.”

My favorite meme this month: