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mell says

richwicks says

The Republican Party didn't give a fuck about the 1st amendment when they were lying us into the Iraq War in 2001.

It's not left versus right, it's right versus wrong - FACTUALLY wrong.

You're quite exaggerating here, the right is by far not as censorious as the leftoid retards. Show me one instance where someone was canceled or had their lives destroyed for protesting the Iraq war?? The only instance I know of is that dude with the International Terrorist T-Shirt sporting dubyas fuckface who was kicked off the flight, maybe some were told they could not wear this at school. That's about it. Just because the government lied - which they do all the time - doesn't mean they were suppressing the 1st amendment back then.

No, I'm not exaggerating.

You're the victim now of censorship. You're feeling the heat of it so now you see what it's like.

I've been called terrorist, I have had my job threatened. Being principled comes with a price. There wasn't a weapons of mass destruction program in Iraq, there's no apologies from PUSSIES that called me "traitor". That doesn't happen. It's not going to happen for you, when people realize that the "vaccinations" don't fucking work, and were actually all risk and no reward. They called you crazy, a Trumptard, a conspiracy nut, everything, they're not ever going to apologize when they realize they were wrong, which is quite obvious at this point.

Being consistently correct when your government demands you to lie, it's hard.

Have you seen the stupid argument I have with "mostly reader"? You know why I engage with that shit, I think I'm right. That's the only reason. If I'm proven to be correct, that is if Russia wins the conflict, they get what they want, I'm not going to get any fucking apology from him and there's no profit at all in being correct. I won't be forced to repeat lies. When this happens, you cease being a thinking human being.

Obama was a terrible piece of shit, maybe worse than George W. Bush was. I had friends that hated George W. Bush as much as I did, where do you think they went when I was pointing out that O-bomb-a was just as fucking horrible? Suddenly every fucking conflict that criminal fuck dragged us into was justified. They had no principles.

I am consistent with mine and fuck everybody that doesn't like that. They're just subhumans to me.

Now if I'm wrong, you're free to point that out, but I will never be beaten into submission to the point that I will claim to agree with a position I haven't been convinced is correct. I am SHOCKED by how many fucking faggot pussies exist. I used to think they were just uniformed, then maybe stupid, no, they are just cattle. I can completely understand the absolute contempt the power structure has for them. They are mentally weak. They will knowingly repeat a lie, because it's convenient. Most people have false faces.

richwicks says

No, I'm not exaggerating.

You're the victim now of censorship. You're feeling the heat of it so now you see what it's like.

I've been called terrorist, I have had my job threatened. Being principled comes with a price. There wasn't a weapons of mass destruction program in Iraq, there's no apologies from PUSSIES that called me "traitor". That doesn't happen. It's not going to happen for you, when people realize that the "vaccinations" don't fucking work, and were actually all risk and no reward.

Almost impossible to believe. I was an outspoken critic of Iraq war 2 and called boosh a terrorist and stated that there is zero evidence that the saddam fucker has any WMDs at work and everywhere else and nobody threatened my job or livelihood otherwise. Not once. Maybe you got unlucky and ran into some hardcore MFs but pretty much everyone I know who was hardcore against boosh and his stupid crusade which ended up killing many innocent kids and adults could voice their opposition without any repercussions.

mell says

Almost impossible to believe. I was an outspoken critic of Iraq war 2 and called boosh a terrorist and stated that there is zero evidence the fucker has any WMDs at work and everywhere else and nobody threatened my job or livelihood otherwise. Not once. Maybe you got unlucky and ran into some hardcore MFs but pretty much everyone I know who was hardcore against boosh and his stupid crusade which ended up killing many innocent kids and adults could voice their opposition without any repercussions.

I had a discussion about Bush's re-election in the breakroom at Microsoft, shocked that John Kerry (not a good man, but was at the time considered "anti-war") didn't win. It was again a sliver thin margin.

It's "carry the fucking water".

I wasn't as knowledgeable about Kerry as I am now. Had he become president in 2004, nothing would have changed.

richwicks says

Now if I'm wrong, you're free to point that out,

That's what I'm pointing out. If you go by your personal experiences which I cannot validate then sure it may seem somewhat equal, but I have asked for concrete examples of people losing their jobs, livelihoods, getting canceled over the Iraq war. I cannot think of any besides your personal experience. Yes, after September 11 the climate was not friendly towards those questioning government and the patriot act was a step to erode out freedoms, but this doesn't even come close to what's happening today, where people get fired for saying there are only 2 sexes. If you can't admit that there's a difference then there is no point in discussing this further.

Donahue got cancelled and basically went into hiding because he was anti-war.

richwicks says

mell says

Almost impossible to believe. I was an outspoken critic of Iraq war 2 and called boosh a terrorist and stated that there is zero evidence the fucker has any WMDs at work and everywhere else and nobody threatened my job or livelihood otherwise. Not once. Maybe you got unlucky and ran into some hardcore MFs but pretty much everyone I know who was hardcore against boosh and his stupid crusade which ended up killing many innocent kids and adults could voice their opposition without any repercussions.

I had a discussion about Bush's re-election in the breakroom at Microsoft, shocked that John Kerry (not a good man, but was at the time considered "anti-war") didn't win. It was again a sliver thin margin.

It's "carry the fucking water".

I wasn't as knowledgeable about Kerry as I am now. Had he become president in 2004, nothing would have changed.

I get your point and somewhat agree with it, but there is a big difference between today's censorship of the left and what happened back then with Iraq. I would never tell somebody it's not worth voting Republican at the moment just because there are RINO fuckers in the party. I'm very pragmatic and there is such thing as the lesser evil and at the moment the Republicans as a whole are by so far the lesser evil than the Demonrats as a whole, there is no contest.

mell says

richwicks says

Now if I'm wrong, you're free to point that out,

That's what I'm pointing out. If you go by your personal experiences which I cannot validate then sure it may seem somewhat equal, but I have asked for concrete examples of people losing their jobs, livelihoods, getting canceled over the Iraq war.

Phil Donahue, a hack in my opinion, was fired from his job because he refused to push the Iraq War bullshit:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Donahue#MSNBC_program

It was sign up and support this bullshit or fuck you.

It's just more open now. Back then, you just weren't needed, it was never spelled out.

mell says

but this doesn't even come close to what's happening today, where people get fired for saying there are only 2 sexes

It's the same.

"Repeat the fucking lies, or else".

The lies are just more obvious. You're getting to see what the division in society actually is, first they started with lies that you actually had to do some thinking about to realize they were lies, now, they are asking you to believe a man is a woman.

Freedom of speech is essential. It could have prevented a whole fucking war, but it wasn't allowed, so now you have to deal with assholes saying that there's 50+ genders.

They called me crazy 20 years ago, now they are trying to drive you literally insane. They are literally trying to drive you insane, I'm not kidding. Yeah, there are 2 genders, 99%+ of people think that. What you see promoted are PROMOTED, they are cherry picked. Kentanji Brown Jackson doesn't think there are 50 genders, she's not confused as to "what a woman is", she's just a pussy - she knows what kind of bullshit she needs to say. She's a weakling. She's a whore. She'll say what she needs to say, she'll have a judgement that she is told to make, she's a subhuman.

Misc says

Donahue got cancelled and basically went into hiding because he was anti-war.

Msnpc fired him, but he had numerous other work and projects going on after that and was considered for an Oscar in 2007. Ok I consider msnpc firing a 20% cancelation. But nothing dramatic really to threaten his livelihood. and he didn't hide after that, he appeared on many public events shows and discussions. I think he took the opportunity to retire out of the limelight.

richwicks says

It's the same.

"Repeat the fucking lies, or else".

The lies are just more obvious. You're getting to see what the division in society, first they started with lies that you actually had to do some thinking about to realize they were lies, now, they are asking you to believe a man is a woman.

It's not the same. There was no evidence that saddam had wmds, but absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, esp. since he hardly allowed outside inspectors. In the case of the sexes we not only have absence of evidence that men cannot give birth or breast feed, we have evidence of absence, men don't have pussies, and women don't have penises, not to mention the chromosomal difference. This is not comparable to trying to detect shit in the sand which is not easy.

mell says

Misc says

Donahue got cancelled and basically went into hiding because he was anti-war.

Msnpc fired him, but he had numerous other work and projects going on after that and was considered for an Oscar in 2007. Ok I consider msnpc firing a 20% cancelation. But nothing dramatic really to threaten his livelihood. and he didn't hide after that, he appeared on many public events shows and discussions. I think he took the opportunity to retire out of the limelight.

The point is that a stupid goofy talk show host couldn't question "the narrative" on television, despite the fact his show was a top rated show.

We're continually told that the public wants to hear about Justin Bieber, Kim Kardashian, that whatever stupid nonsense is pushed is what people "want to hear". Nobody gives a shit about these people. They are starved for information, and distractions are continually created.

When people show up to fill this niche, they are deplatformed. This has been happening for over 2 decades. As the censorship moves up, you get to experience it.

richwicks says

Freedom of speech is essential. It could have prevented a whole fucking war,

You had freedom of speech, you could say that there is zero evidence that Saddam has WMDs, nobody stopped you or fired you for this. At least nobody I know, but I cannot validate your personal experiences so maybe it did happen in your case, but it would be the only one I ever heard of. Plus many Republicans agree and say that boosh is a liar and war criminal, whereas the Demonrats will not stray a iota from their imposed dogma or face extinction.

mell says

richwicks says

It's the same.

"Repeat the fucking lies, or else".

The lies are just more obvious. You're getting to see what the division in society, first they started with lies that you actually had to do some thinking about to realize they were lies, now, they are asking you to believe a man is a woman.

It's not the same. There was no evidence that saddam had wmds, but absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, esp.

Look, you can't prove a negative.

Does Santa Claus exist? How can you be certain. You check every bit of the North Pole? What about the South Pole? Maybe he's on Neptune.

I cannot prove the lead can't be turned into gold, I can only demonstrate (repeatedly) that nobody can do this, so it's LIKELY to be true.

The Bush administration and the media openly engaged in a logical fallacy by switching the burden of proof. YOU WOULD KNOW THIS, if people weren't being censored explaining this to you 20 years ago. Now that it no longer matters, it an be discussed.

richwicks says

The Bush administration and the media openly engaged in a logical fallacy by switching the burden of proof. YOU WOULD KNOW THIS, if people weren't being censored explaining this to you 20 years ago. Now that it no longer matters, it an be discussed.

Agree with the first sentence. Disagree on the censorship, still haven't seen examples of people broadly being fired for opposing the war

I remember war opposition being FAR MORE prevalent on Media, even Fox News, than Woke Critical people today.

I saw Meathead and Jeanine Garfalo on Fox, FFS.

You'd never see Chris Rufo or Libs of TikTok on MSNBC.

Also the media did report on Hans Blix and others claiming no WMDs, all Mainstream Media did. Whereas Hunter's Laptop was insta-disappeared as Russian disinfo and even the NYPost was banned by Tech Tyrants for sharing the story,

Current Mainstream Media and Big Tech from WaPo to CNN to Google are happily changing the definition of Woman and Recession with no debate allowed.

mell says

richwicks says

The Bush administration and the media openly engaged in a logical fallacy by switching the burden of proof. YOU WOULD KNOW THIS, if people weren't being censored explaining this to you 20 years ago. Now that it no longer matters, it an be discussed.

Agree with the first sentence. Disagree on the censorship, still haven't seen examples of people broadly being fired for opposing the war

Name the highest profile person you can think of that has been fired from a job for refusing to say that there are only 2 genders.

Again Phil Donahue was fired because he would not repeat the lies of the Bush administration.

This is not a left or right issue - we have a criminal syndicate as our government, and left and right is just a facade. It's a mask the criminal syndicate wears. These motherfuckers give so little a shit, they don't care if your 5 year old kid is taught to question their gender in Kindergarten. They are all just a bunch of sociopathic dickheads, and Trump may be one too, but I think he hates them. He was a democrat until 2000.

At the time, the narrative that Iraq had WMD was over the top propagandized. Every media outlet was blaring it 24/7. It was similar to the amount of propaganda given for Covid.

I fell for it. I thought Iraq did have WMD.

Misc says

At the time, the narrative that Iraq had WMD was over the top propagandized. Every media outlet was blaring it 24/7. It was similar to the amount of propaganda given for Covid.

I fell for it. I thought Iraq did have WMD.

Yeah but it was entirely reasonable to think that, the propaganda just pushed one over the edge. Let's not turn Saddam into a George Floyd type fake saint. Would you have thought and said men can give birth if it were propagandized back then? Most probably not

You are right.

However, there are people on this site that believe Michelle Obama is a dude.

richwicks says

mell says

richwicks says

The Bush administration and the media openly engaged in a logical fallacy by switching the burden of proof. YOU WOULD KNOW THIS, if people weren't being censored explaining this to you 20 years ago. Now that it no longer matters, it an be discussed.

Agree with the first sentence. Disagree on the censorship, still haven't seen examples of people broadly being fired for opposing the war

Name the highest profile person you can think of that has been fired from a job for refusing to say that there are only 2 genders.

Again Phil Donahue was fired because he would not repeat the lies of the Bush administration.

This is not a left or right issue - we have a criminal syndicate as our government, and left and right is just a facade. It's a mask t...

You can search yourself, even a cursory search will reveal plenty of people who have been fired, you will not find a single one wrt Iraq war, rank has nothing to do with it, higher ranking people always have better odds, but are certainly not completely immune. The 2 sexes is just one of the many speech offenses that will get people fired by the left. Phil got plenty of work elsewhere after that,no trouble making films and getting funding for it. What goes on today is not even remotely comparable to the failures of the mainstream right back then.

Misc says

You are right.

However, there are people on this site that believe Michelle Obama is a dude.

I agree and I cannot understand that as there is no indication other than Obama being a pussy ;) But it amuses me and as long as they don't argue for those being silenced who defend Michelle's right to womanhood I have no problems with it.

richwicks says

The official history is that "nobody could have known" that Iraq didn't have a weapons of mass destruction program, that it was a reasonable belief, that it WASN'T ludicrous to believe that Saddam Hussein worked with Osama bin Laden to do 9/11 (remember that?). But that isn't true.

News flash! Me! The Dixie Chicks and Richard Greer were the only people even saying the Afghanistan invasion was bullshit, the Democrats were aligned with Republicans on both invasions. Selective memory is great. The Democrats pivoted after the objected to take down Saddam Hussein was accomplished. The Dems then pivoted and said "Bush lied people died" after they were right beside the Republican war chieftains leading the battle cry.

I have been silenced on Patrick.net for pointing out inconsistencies with the anti-vaxx posts.

richwicks says

Tenpoundbass says

Name one time he ever sent his FBI out to silence discord on the internet, and private conversations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Gb9VxvOI74&t=27s

Those people were arrested for wearing shirts.

Bullshit! that guy is a disingenuous lying scumbag. He prefaces how he and his wife wanted to go see the president. When their only intention was to protest the president. At least he would have been more honest about his intention of being the Dunk Tank Clown at a Trump rally. He went to the Bush rally with an Anti Bush shirt to be a provocateur. Yeah the secret service don't like people who show up at Presidents rallies, when they don't even like the person they going to see. That's the very people they are paid to be on the lookout for, and remove the threat when they see them.

I don't have a soft spot for dishonest professional agitators, and that guy and gal has it written all over them. You got to realize the ANTIFA professional agitators they were cultivating at the time hadn't matured yet in 2007 when that video happened.

Got any real examples of Republican president FBI showing up at Democrat's houses trying to get them to incriminate themselves or other's?

Misc says

What you call RINOs, were the Republican party until Trump commandeered it.

Hey I remember when the "Democrat" moniker was a label worthy of any sensible person wielding it, there was a term "NeoLiberals" which the smarties like Bill Mahr might have gushed over, but other sensible Democrats, considered them too radical. And all my life I've heard people call themselves, "True Blue dog Democrat'" just to distinguish themselves from the crooked dishonest NeoLiberals and Socialist Democrats they voted for.

Misc says

At the time, the narrative that Iraq had WMD was over the top propagandized. Every media outlet was blaring it 24/7. It was similar to the amount of propaganda given for Covid.

I fell for it. I thought Iraq did have WMD.

Yes, there was a big push for the Iraq Invasion, BUT there were indeed contrary voices published/given time by Big Media.

Dr. Malone and others like him were given ZERO air time by MSM re: COVID. In fact, anybody who reposted their material on FB or Twatter got suspended/banned/posts pulled.

Tenpoundbass says

richwicks says

The official history is that "nobody could have known" that Iraq didn't have a weapons of mass destruction program, that it was a reasonable belief, that it WASN'T ludicrous to believe that Saddam Hussein worked with Osama bin Laden to do 9/11 (remember that?). But that isn't true.

News flash! Me! The Dixie Chicks and Richard Greer were the only people even saying the Afghanistan invasion was bullshit, the Democrats were aligned with Republicans on both invasions. Selective memory is great. The Democrats pivoted after the objected to take down Saddam Hussein was accomplished. The Dems then pivoted and said "Bush lied people died" after they were right beside the Republican war chieftains leading the battle cry.

Yeah, that did happen.

The two parties are centrally controlled. How many times do you need to see this before you realize it's true?

Let's say Mittens Romney is our next president, there will still be censorship but you will regard it in your favor. The truth is, NOBODY in power gives a fuck about transgendered kids, or LGBTQ rights or other nonsense. They care about your accepting new bullshit wars that you and I will pay for, for which they pocket tremendous amounts of money, and for which the outcome of the war doesn't matter.

Haven't you noticed that no high profile prick asshole congressman's kid is transgendering? They don't allow this shit to effect their kids.

Did Iraq have wmd ? Of course they did !! It was kepted back from the general public under the usual “ national security “ reasons.But a group composed of several org .,,the NYT sued under the FOIA as well as a treasure load of docs leaked from wiki-leaks brought the info to light . American troops found nearly 5,000 abandoned chemical weapons in Iraq from 2004 to 2011, but their discoveries were kept secret by the U.S. government, the New York Times reports . According to the 10,000-word, eight-part interactive report ("The Secret Casualties of Iraq's Abandoned Chemical Weapons") by C.J. Chivers published on the paper's website late Tuesday, at least 17 American service members and seven Iraqi police officers were exposed to nerve or mustard agents in Iraq after 2003. On at least six occasions, American troops and American-trained Iraqi troops were wounded by the abandoned munitions, but news of the encounters was neither shared publicly nor widely circulated among the troops, the victims told the Times. Others said they were told to be vague or deceptive about what they found.

"'Nothing of significance’ is what I was ordered to say,” Jarrod Lampier, a retired Army major, said of the 2006 discovery of 2,400 nerve-agent rockets at a former Republican Guard compound, the largest chemical weapons discovery of the war
Here’s a link analysis of the story https://thepoliticalinsider.com/bombshell-new-york-times-reports-wmds-found-iraq/
Here’s a link with what was discovered in Iraq Despite many in the media and public’s misinformed or denial of the facts, the following is part of our 67 reports we have obtained to date regarding Iraq’s WMD’s https://www.netadvisor.org/2016/09/19/yes-iraq-did-have-wmds-proof/#.YuR4-Z9lC_Y
We had to have known since we helped Saddam and knew about the chemical’s used in bombs during his war with Iran CiA advisors were on the ground https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/08/26/exclusive-cia-files-prove-america-helped-saddam-as-he-gassed-iran/

Tenpoundbass says

Bullshit! that guy is a disingenuous lying scumbag. He prefaces how he and his wife wanted to go see the president. When their only intention was to protest the president.

That's his right.

Biden put himself behind a wall and national guard so you couldn't do that. He had 800+ people arrested for protesting his illegitimate election.

Stop trying to pick sides. Anybody should be able to protest, right or wrong. It's our first amendment for a reason, if that fails, it's 2nd amendment. You really want to go through a civil war?

latitude38 says

Did Iraq have wmd ? Of course they did !! It was kepted back from the general public under the usual “ national security “ reasons.

Look, Iraq had some left over weapons of mass destruction bullshit from the Iran/Iraq war, but they didn't have a weapons of mass destruction program.

Everything they had by 2000 was unusable, which is why there was no "Gulf War Syndrome" this time around. What they had in 1991 was pretty goddamned weak by then.

The US was giving Iraq chemical weapons during the Iran Iraq war - Hussein was the ally of the US then.

Sociopaths and scumbags run our nation, and our "news" press is total bullshit. They won't inform you of this, because their job really is propaganda, not information.

richwicks says

He had 800+ people arrested for protesting his illegitimate election.

HE wasn't President at the time. Wow RichWIcks you know you're seeing the world through Rachell Madcow's eyes, you have zero intellectual integrity.
You're digging deep to justify the denial here of due process. The folks in the video you posted at the Bush rally, I would bet you anything had the case dismissed and time served.
I bet they never saw another legal action out of it.

You're off my read list.

Tenpoundbass says

richwicks says

He had 800+ people arrested for protesting his illegitimate election.

HE wasn't President at the time. Wow RichWIcks you know you're seeing the world through Rachell Madcow's eyes, you have zero intellectual integrity.
You're digging deep to justify the denial here of due process.
You're off my read list.

Biden wasn't elected. If he was actually elected, he was the most popular president candidate ever in all of time. He lost almost all the bellweather counties, there were statistical anomalies all over the place.

Was a standard CIA coup. They did the same exact thing in Guatemala and Iran in 1953, and Ukraine in 2014.

Tenpoundbass says

The folks in the video you posted at the Bush rally, I would bet you anything had the case dismissed and time served.
I bet they never saw another legal action out of it.

The point is they shouldn't have been arrested at all.

Fuck the establishment, you don't understand that yet. It's not RNC versus the DNC, it's US versus these fucking assholes.

richwicks says

Tenpoundbass says

richwicks says

He had 800+ people arrested for protesting his illegitimate election.

HE wasn't President at the time. Wow RichWIcks you know you're seeing the world through Rachell Madcow's eyes, you have zero intellectual integrity.
You're digging deep to justify the denial here of due process.
You're off my read list.

Biden wasn't elected. If he was actually elected, he was the most popular president candidate ever in all of time. He lost almost all the bellweather counties, there were statistical anomalies all over the place.

Was a standard CIA coup. They did the same exact thing in Guatemala and Iran in 1953, and Ukraine in 2014.

Tenpoundbass says

The folks...

Just because you keep repeating it doesn't make it true. People who throw away their vote or trust into the lesser evil aide and abet the demise. Like in real life politics is about what is possible, what you can achieve right now, and how to get to your ultimate goals. Claiming the right was as bad as the left today is like comparing jailing a protester at a former Republican event for one night to the jailing of the Jan 6 protesters for nearing a year under horrible condition, or comparing it to the nazi concentration camps. Make no mistake that's where three leftoids would put you if they get the power to do so. The right has never done such a thing because conservatives generally stand for civil liberties for the individual citizen.

mell says

Just because you keep repeating it doesn't make it true.

At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter. I can go through all the statistical anomalies, all the laws that were illegally changed, the ballot discrepancies, the fact that Biden still can't get 1/2 dozen people in a room to listen to him, point out that Trump STILL will fill football stadiums. It doesn't matter, we got what we normally get, a complete puppet. This is why the 25th amendment is never bought up, it doesn't matter. We may as well have George W. Bush OR Obama as president. Same thing.

mell says

Claiming the right was as bad as the left today is like comparing jailing a protester at a former Republican event for one night to the jailing of the Jan 6 protesters for nearing a year under horrible condition

What do you mean by "left" or "right"? Are you talking about the parties? The government put the January 6th protestors in jail without bail. The government framed them and set them up. The government refused to prosecute Antifa and BLM, despite the fact they literally murdered people. The "left" didn't do this, that an illusion.

Let's not talk about parties but with people who identify as "left" or "right". Basically all the left is, are a bunch of naive people that think they can reform the government. They think that if the government is given power to enact some "good program" they will. But look at public school, look at their commitment to infrastructure. The "left" is naive. They can't even stop the government from going to a bullshit war.

Now the right, and I am amazed I'm saying this, is more correct today. They see the government more correctly. It's a criminal organization, that's it. It's the GOVERNMENT pushing LGBTQ crap in schools, it's the GOVERNMENT promoting the idea that 9th month abortions are fine. The government can put a stop to this shit whenever they like, but they wont. The reason these "issues" exist is to get people fighting one another. What kind of nutcase woman would have a 9th month abortion? A fucking psychopath would. These aren't real issues, they are distractions to keep the public busy trying to "fix" these problems created by the government.

mell says

Make no mistake that's where three leftoids would put you if they get the power to do so. The right has never done such a thing because conservatives generally stand for civil liberties for the individual citizen.

The left and right mean nothing, they are ever changing ideas. Those are groups. People argue that the Nazis were a "far right group", for that time, perhaps they were. The groups change.

The left in the 1970s were very vocal proponents of free speech and protecting the Constitution. That's not them now.

richwicks says

mell says

Just because you keep repeating it doesn't make it true.

At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter. I can go through all the statistical anomalies, all the laws that were illegally changed, the ballot discrepancies, the fact that Biden still can't get 1/2 dozen people in a room to listen to him, point out that Trump STILL will fill football stadiums. It doesn't matter, we got what we normally get, a complete puppet. This is why the 25th amendment is never bought up, it doesn't matter. We may as well have George W. Bush OR Obama as president. Same thing.

mell says

Claiming the right was as bad as the left today is like comparing jailing a protester at a former Republican event for one night to the jailing of the Jan 6 protesters for nearing a year under horrible condition

In principal I agree with many of your statements, and communism is just fascism with red paint. All good and well. But even if you disregard boxes such as left and right, they are applicable for long periods and have a mutually understood meaning during those periods, and if you wanted to get away from whatever is oppressing society you have to start somewhere. It's irrelevant for your ultimate goal that there are oppressing forces within the Republican party as well, RINOs, uniparty big government hacks, whatever you may call them, the fact is that if Republicans would sweep into office tomorrow, the US would suddenly regain a lot of lost civil liberties. The Trump, tea party, anti-establishment arms of the party would never allow such sweeping oppression of civil liberties we have seen since the xiden administration "took over" (in fact the leftoids are shrieking that the xiden admin is not communist/marxist/oppressive enough). So there is your start, then from there you can work actively against the remaining oppressive/uniparty forces in the now governing Republican party and try to throw as much of the RINOs out as possible. You will get much faster to your goal of a free society than bitching about both parties, forming a 3rd party, or trying to rebel against the leftoid government whose ultimate goal is to put you into jail or internment camp forever. It's unfathomable to reject massive change for the better just because you will have scumbags in the new government as well. This will always be the case, but the current Demonrat party is very close to the National Socialist party, Maoist party, Khmer Rouge, Stalinists and Leninists/Marxists and all those other parties who did not tolerate dissent even within their own party and whose goal was to destroy as many political opponents as possible and establish a reign of terror. Just look at the primaries, The Republican primaries are often close calls and it's hard to predict the winners whereas for the preselected Demonrat politbureau apparatschiks winning with 80% or more of the vote is a given, similar to the 80/90 million votes apparatschik xiden "magically" got. There is not even a iota of Republic or Democracy within the Demonrat party, it's full on communism/marxism, so don't tell me they are the same as the Republicans. They aren't.

mell says

In principal I agree with many of your statements, and communism is just fascism with red paint. All good and well. But even if you disregard boxes such as left and right, they are applicable for long periods and have a mutually understood meaning during those periods, and if you wanted to get away from whatever is oppressing society you have to start somewhere.

Start with what is true and false. Left and right was created by a our government, our masters, that's why we're taught the political spectrum is a line. It isn't. It's true versus false. Does socialism work? Well, it can with considerable oversight of the government and open accounting and accountability. Then it works. Americans don't even bother to TRY to be informed, so it can't work here.

mell says

the fact is that if Republicans would sweep into office tomorrow, the US would suddenly regain a lot of lost civil liberties.

What is a "republican"? If everybody in the DNC in power today were lined up against a wall and shot, or the all just retired or whatever, I'd argue nothing would change. When a carnival barker was elected over a Neocon bloodthirsty mass murderer - the only thing that changed (but a useful thing to change) was the rhetoric. All Trump did was say "these are the problems, Americans - here they are, all laid out, look".

mell says

The Trump, tea party, anti-establishment arms of the party would never allow such sweeping oppression of civil liberties we have seen since the xiden administration "took over" (in fact the leftoids are shrieking that the xiden admin is not communist/marxist/oppressive enough).

They're letting it happen now. They let the election get stolen. When has Trump said anything about the 800 political prisoners in jail right now? Who in Congress is talking about them?

Most people just don't fucking care. "Leftoids" don't care.

mell says

so don't tell me they are the same as the Republicans. They aren't.

Watch some Neocon RINO piece of shit somehow win the republican primary in 2024. It COULD be DeSantis, you might find out he was always controlled opposition.

I've been watching this shit show pretty closely for 20 years, 2 decades. Our government is total garbage. Our media has been complete propaganda that entire time, our congress is totally corrupt, our intelligence agencies are working against the nation and the public, and our DOJ is totally corrupt. It's NOT changed in 20 years. It's just becoming more difficult to ignore, and by god, it's hard to get people to pay attention.

It's gone, we're fucked now. The entire world is talking about "building back better" - don't believe me?

https://twitter.com/berniespofforth/status/1552786964759384069

This is a global plan. Who is pointing that out?

We went through a fake pandemic, there may very well have been a virus, but there was no emergency. There's something afoot, who will tell you? Isn't it funny with our "free and fair press" it's not mentioned? Not to me. I understand how the world works, finally. It's just a criminal syndicate, and looking for a PARTY to change it, that's naive. They're part of the criminal syndicate.

Remember Dennis Hastert? He was Speaker of the United States House of Representatives under George W. Bush, and a pedophile. How did he manage to get to that position? It's BECAUSE he was a pedophile, he was being blackmailed, and people made it certain that a completely compromised man climbed up the ladder, with lots of help.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Hastert

That's our government. Oh, and Hastert was never prosecuted for his rapes, although one of his victims killed himself. He spent some time in prison because of some financial BS - he was paying off his victims. He was prosecuted for that.

richwicks says

mell says

In principal I agree with many of your statements, and communism is just fascism with red paint. All good and well. But even if you disregard boxes such as left and right, they are applicable for long periods and have a mutually understood meaning during those periods, and if you wanted to get away from whatever is oppressing society you have to start somewhere.

Start with what is true and false. Left and right was created by a our government, our masters, that's why we're taught the political spectrum is a line. It isn't. It's true versus false. Does socialism work? Well, it can with considerable oversight of the government and open accounting and accountability. Then it works. Americans don't even bother to TRY to be informed, so it can't work here.

mell says

the fact is that if Repu...

So what? Hastert was a prick who belonged in jail but he did not oppress the majority of Americans. You keep bringing up single cases, we know politicians are often corrupt but there is no comparison between Repubs and Demonrats. Also Trump didn't let it just happen, he made many mistakes like we all do but there is a personal limit on how much a person and their family can take. Again, pointing out that nobody is without sin doesn't mean that it's not worth voting - or promoting - Republican this fall, it definitely is. Not doing so while claiming moral grounds is impractical, you aid the current terror regime imo, even though it's not your intention. It's your right but you should reconsider

mell says

So what? Hastert was a prick who belonged in jail but he did not oppress the majority of Americans.

The majority of Americans didn't support a war that George W. Bush lied us into. George W. Bush should have been executed for what he did.

I'm pointing out that Hastert was placed into his position BECAUSE he was a pedophile. Just as Jeffrey Epstein was. Epstein wasn't a wall street genius, he was an intelligence asset. Where did all his assets go to when he died. Who owns all the shit he SUPPOSEDLY owned?

mell says

You keep bringing up single cases, we know politicians are often corrupt but there is no comparison between Repubs and Demonrats.

Again, are you talking about the people or the parties? Neither party represents their foolish adherents. They are given a choice between Giant Douche, and Turd Sandwich over and over again.

mell says

Also Trump didn't let it just happen, he made many mistakes like we all do but there is a personal limit on how much a person and their family can take.

I don't know. I'm used to illusions, so I cannot say whether Trump was controlled opposition, or the real deal. I can't tell. I hope you're right, I hope you're correct, but I've seen false opposition so many times. Bernie Sanders was false opposition, Pocahontas was - she railed against the banking bailouts. The real opposition, they were murdered. James Traficant I think was the real deal.

I do not know. I understand my limit to knowledge. I only find out what is true YEARS later when it no longer matters.

mell says

Again, pointing out that nobody is without sin doesn't mean that it's not worth voting - or promoting - Republican this fall, it definitely is. Not doing so while claiming moral grounds is impractical, you aid the current terror regime imo, even though it's not your intention. It's your right but you should reconsider

I'm not going to vote for the fucking democrats in the next election.

I'm trying to point out it it's very likely it doesn't matter how we vote.

These assholes do not represent us. I have some SLIM hope they do, but they don't represent us. YOU represent people, I do. Many people here do, but to rise in the ranks, you have to sell out everybody, every principle. I have very little hope there's anything ALLOWED to run that isn't a traitorous piece of shit.

AOC was going to "change things", so was Ilhan Omar - they are just Neocon cunts. More false opposition. I am not either a republican or a democrat, but I saw the hope the democrats (foolishly) had in them. They are just fucking go along to get along whores. They're purchased.

We are betrayed again and again and again. I expect the same in the next election, regardless of the outcome. Intelligence agencies run this nation, we don't.

richwicks says

mell says

richwicks says

The Bush administration and the media openly engaged in a logical fallacy by switching the burden of proof. YOU WOULD KNOW THIS, if people weren't being censored explaining this to you 20 years ago. Now that it no longer matters, it an be discussed.

Agree with the first sentence. Disagree on the censorship, still haven't seen examples of people broadly being fired for opposing the war

Name the highest profile person you can think of that has been fired from a job for refusing to say that there are only 2 genders.

Again Phil Donahue was fired because he would not repeat the lies of the Bush administration.

This is not a left or right issue - we have a criminal syndicate as our government, and left and right is just a facade. It's a mask t...

Govt job so it would go through progressive discipline, but if I kept repeating in the work place that there’s only two genders, I would be terminated from my employment. One of the largest employers in the state of California.

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

Govt job so it would go through progressive discipline, but if I kept repeating in the work place that there’s only two genders, I would be terminated from my employment. One of the largest employers in the state of California.

In the last 2 years, I have decided not to work for insane, fascist, lunatic corporations.

I'm watching major corporation die because instead of hiring competent people, they are hiring compliant people.

META is going to be a shitshow. Google is dying. Twitter is a joke, and obviously being funded in some underhanded way, censorship and propaganda IS their function. Intel and AMD are fucking dead, nobody needs or wants a faster CPU or even a better GPU.

Technology starts out as being something governments adopt, then corporations adopt, then finally people. A computer equivalent to a top of the machine in 2000, perfectly adequate machine for your use, cost $75 now, with 125GB of storage. It looks like this:



We're in for some big changes ahead and these giant tech companies, they are fucking dinosaurs. Nobody needs a search engine that just points you to propaganda. Nobody needs a video site that just keeps pushing you to propaganda and narratives. Our establishment news sources, they're dead, you can see them dying. CNN has less than 1 million viewers at any moment, how the FUCK do they manage to pay some asshole like Anderson Cooper 15 million dollars a year for his "job"? That is seriously is last known salary, how does CNN afford to pay that with only 1 million people paying attention to them? That would mean that every viewer is paying $15 in some form to watch their bullshit per year.

You might get fired for saying 2 genders exist at your job? You're on the Titanic dude. Get off. This isn't republican/democrat - it's obedience to a centralized authority that's insane. Somebody has to pay for all this shit - who?