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mell says

This war illustrates the need to break free from the US for Europe

... so they finally can become total Putin's bitches, not half-bitches like now.

Hugh_Mongous says

mell says

This war illustrates the need to break free from the US for Europe

... so they finally can become total Putin's bitches, not half-bitches like now.

Wait you guys keep saying putin doesn't know shit and Russians are incapable. So hardly a problem for Europe. Plus, before the corrupt leftoid US stooges staged a coup in the Ukraine and installed a corrupt puppet government, Europe and putin got along pretty well. It's none of anyone's business. Let them figure it out and do business with whom they see fit. It would be asinine to let all that nat gas go to waste just to appease hunter xidens cocaine crackpot friends.

RWSGFY says

No, based purely on performance. Military, economic, technological, scientific. All pathetic. They are turning to Iran for the latest wunderwaffe "moped" drones, for Pete's sake. Does it sound like a peer to the US?

The job of the MIC is to spend money, not win wars. If Iran can build weapons more cheaply and effectively than Russia can, that has a total cost lower or Russians doing it, they are making a logical choice. It's just economics stupid.

If you can build a drone that can take out 1000 targets before it's destroyed that costs a billion dollars, versus 1000 dones that (on average) take out one target before they are destroyed at the cost of $1,000 each, the decision of the United States is ALWAYS the superdrone. It makes sense because it makes money. The F35 is a disaster in the air, but it cost 1.5 trillion dollars to develop and manufacture. It's a total success. Doesn't matter how it works in the battlefield. For fucks sake, the US made the Bradley fighting vehicle that was made out of ALUMINUM, a flammable material. Aluminium burns. They may as well have made it out of explosives.

They don't give a shit if it works, they only care if it's expensive. They care about profits, it doesn't matter one fucking bit if the US wins its wars, which is why the US doesn't really win wars. The US is still in conflict with Iraq. Could you imagine if we fought that war the way we did in WWII? It would have been over in less than 2 months, and it would have been then run by a military general as dictator, and it would be on its way toward development like Japan was a year later. It would be a popular vacation spot for Americans and Europeans.

Hugh_Mongous says

... so they finally can become total Putin's bitches, not half-bitches like now.

Europe is the US' bitch. To demonstrate this, the US blew up a pipeline to make their stupid dumbass citizens realize this. They can contemplate it, while they freeze to death this winter.

NuttBoxer says

I posted the interviews with people who lost kids, you ignored it. Would you like another antiwar.com link? I guess even genocide is ok as long as it's your side doing it...

Of course it is. The US has murdered, by current estimate, 9 million people over the last 20 years bombing Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Somalia, and Libya. You know who cares? Nobody, apparently.

I think I've probably said it in this thread or another. Whether Russia "wins" in the end they've ultimately looked very weak. Talking of resorting to a tactical nuke strike? On a land based neighbor? This should have been a cake walk for them or they could have bought the land with all those supposed resources they have. Putin has failed just like Bush and Obama.

Whether we won or lost any recent wars we at least managed to control parts of large countries for years halfway around the globe. Russia has had a loss of a major ship for their navy and this isn't even a sea war. They have more people. They do their version of a draft and everyone runs. This is the opposite of success even if Russia gets the land they want in the long run.

Fact is our society is too modern for people to want to actually fight a war. You're looking at maybe 1-2% of men. And even then, most of them do it for military pay or free college in the case of the US military. Otherwise they'd be working at a gas station.

WookieMan says

Fact is our society is too modern for people to want to actually fight a war.

Fear or anger would do it. A despicable false flag attack, for example, could even motivate an attack on a guiltess country.

Anyone predict the Kerch bridge getting hit on Putin's birthday?

Booger says

Anyone predict the Kerch bridge getting hit on Putin's birthday?

You are late to the party:

https://patrick.net/post/1347686/2022-10-06-the-party-is-about-to-begin

Prediction: as long as Biden is in the White House and Democrats and neocons control Congress, the us government will continue to fund and engage in wars around the world that make us (Americans) less safe and take our money to spend it on killing people. This includes Ukraine. It is not in our best interest to be involved in any way, except in negotiating peace.

PeopleUnited says

Prediction: as long as Biden is in the White House and Democrats and neocons control Congress, the us government will continue to fund and engage in wars around the world that make us (Americans) less safe and take our money to spend it on killing people. This includes Ukraine. It is not in our best interest to be involved in any way, except in negotiating peace.

We got involved in 1994 when we negotiated "nukes for territorial integrity assurance" deal. Now it's either territorial integrity or nukes back. I'm fine with either.

RWSGFY says

PeopleUnited says

Prediction: as long as Biden is in the White House and Democrats and neocons control Congress, the us government will continue to fund and engage in wars around the world that make us (Americans) less safe and take our money to spend it on killing people. This includes Ukraine. It is not in our best interest to be involved in any way, except in negotiating peace.

We got involved in 1994 when we negotiated "nukes for territorial integrity assurance" deal. Now it's either territorial integrity or nukes back. I'm fine with either.

We are not the ones who went froggy there.

Obama stood down with the annexation of Crimea. Since the people voted to become part of Russia, all is good according to UN Charter. It is Russian territory. (We did the same in Kosovo).

Misc says

RWSGFY says

PeopleUnited says

Prediction: as long as Biden is in the White House and Democrats and neocons control Congress, the us government will continue to fund and engage in wars around the world that make us (Americans) less safe and take our money to spend it on killing people. This includes Ukraine. It is not in our best interest to be involved in any way, except in negotiating peace.

We got involved in 1994 when we negotiated "nukes for territorial integrity assurance" deal. Now it's either territorial integrity or nukes back. I'm fine with either.

We are not the ones who went froggy there.

Obama stood down with the annexation of Crimea. Since the people voted to become part of Russia, all is good according to UN Charter. It is Russian territory. (We...

You probably think 2020 election was 100% kosher too...

Bless your heart.

And you must think there was an insurrection.

Misc says

And you must think there was an insurrection.

Nope. I think it was a legitimate act of petitioning the government to demand an investigation of voting irregularities.

My post history on the subject is readily available.

Misc says

Obama stood down with the annexation of Crimea.

And just like that p.net is in love with Obama...

RWSGFY says

Misc says

Obama stood down with the annexation of Crimea.

And just like that p.net is in love with Obama...

I will still take Obama over the alternatives...McStain and Romney. You?

mell says

before the corrupt leftoid US stooges staged a coup in the Ukraine and installed a corrupt puppet government, Europe and putin got along pretty well.

Why does the left want a war with Russia? They have been beating the drums for years.

Onvacation says

mell says

before the corrupt leftoid US stooges staged a coup in the Ukraine and installed a corrupt puppet government, Europe and putin got along pretty well.

Why does the left want a war with Russia? They have been beating the drums for years.

The leftoids don't care with whom they go to war to as long as it distracts from their treason against the American people and as long as there are enough kids willing to die for old farts in senseless wars. This was one of the easiest conflicts to solve via diplomacy, a literal walk in the park. But can't let a cross go to waste if you're a globalist marxist leftoid/neocon

Onvacation says

Why does the left want a war with Russia? They have been beating the drums for years.

Its a white Christian nation. It does not support LGBTQ indoctrination. It is not Woke. It does not regularly have gay and trans pride parades. It publicly turned its back to communism.

All the above are why the American Left and Woke militants hate Russia. And they are willing to give Chicoms a free pass as far as not being Woke and pro-LGBTQ because it is non-white and is a left wing authoritarian state.

ad says

Its a white Christian nation.

That's a stretch.

ad says

It publicly turned its back to communism.

Privately, nothing changed.

The opponent need only be fearsome enough to be believable, and big/elusive enough to never be defeated. We have always been at war with Oceania, you didn't know comrade?

Onvacation says

Why does the left want a war with Russia? They have been beating the drums for years.

I'll explain. Whatever party is perceived to be in "power in the government" just goes along with ANYTHING their party does. This is why so many "conservatives" were perfectly fine with going into Iraq in Operation Desert Storm, and what Geneva was fine - whatever the Republicans did in the 1980's and early 1990's was 100% FINE.

Well, "Democrats" control the government, so anything that the "Democratic party" does is 100% FINE.

Maybe 10% of the population actually engages in real thinking, and I'd say less than 1/2 of them engage in thinking about government policies or long term consequences of global politics.

RWSGFY says

We got involved in 1994 when we negotiated "nukes for territorial integrity assurance" deal. Now it's either territorial integrity or nukes back. I'm fine with either.

Nice fairy tale, just like the treaties the government signed with native tribes throughout history. A treaty is rarely worth the paper it was written on. But they make good fairy tales. Should we continue killing people in a war that is not our own, because you believe in fairy tales?

richwicks says

Onvacation says

Why does the left want a war with Russia? They have been beating the drums for years.

I'll explain. Whatever party is perceived to be in "power in the government" just goes along with ANYTHING their party does. This is why so many "conservatives" were perfectly fine with going into Iraq in Operation Desert Storm, and what Geneva was fine - whatever the Republicans did in the 1980's and early 1990's was 100% FINE.

Well, "Democrats" control the government, so anything that the "Democratic party" does is 100% FINE.

Maybe 10% of the population actually engages in real thinking, and I'd say less than 1/2 of them engage in thinking about government policies or long term consequences of global politics.

That's partially true but you left out that the Republicans had a fair share of reformation going on with Trump, tea party, America first, and God, Family, Fatherland movements within, Republicans today are very different from those in the 80s and 90s, basically ruled by boosh Family and friends neocon warmongers. The demonrats went the opposite direction since then and evolved into a retard globalist leftoid marxist party with 0 dissent allowed.

Ok, here's a prediction...Blackrock IMPLODES.

Blackrock has sold about $1 trillion worth of Private Equity holdings to unsuspecting Pension Funds. Then they added about $1 trillion to $2 trillion of debt offerings guaranteed by these Private equity firms. Blackrock has been able to value these private equity firms based on computer modelling. This has delivered the pension funds outsized returns over the years because the computer models have shown an ever increasing value. This has worked as an ever increasing amount of money has been allocated to these ponzi schemes. However, the pension funds are starting to get leery and they are starting to sell their holdings instead of adding to them. Suddenly, the models rapidly fall in value because no new ponzi money is being added. Unwilling to admit they duped these pension funds, Blackrock starts to use its mutual funds monies to buy the holdings being sold by the pension funds. Some savvy institutional investors get wind of this sleight of hand, sell their holdings and warn other institutional investors. Mom and Pop investors end up the bag holders with Trillions of dollars in losses.

This is all hypothetical, of course. We will see how much of it comes true.

https://patrick.net/post/1347754/2022-10-10-ukraine-about-to-lose-its-border-with

Prediction: Europeans will snap from their leftoid marxist globalist propaganda induced trance and fire more and more EU governments and restore peace and trade with Russia, the longer stooge zelinsky keeps warmongering w/ stooge putin the lesser welcome refugees will be.

Misc says

Ok, here's a prediction...Blackrock IMPLODES.

Interesting prediction.

And of course, if they offloaded them on pensions, then shucksadoodles! The Government will "Have" to bailout the SFH rental/buy on spec portfolio.

mell says

Prediction: Europeans will snap from their leftoid marxist globalist propaganda induced trance and fire more and more EU governments and restore peace and trade with Russia, the longer stooge zelinsky keeps warmongering w/ stooge putin the lesser welcome refugees will be.

This might be good one, given all the huge protests that alternative media show every single week. Europeans refusing to die and freeze for the Globalist elites and their insane criminal enterprises in Ukraine and the world.

Ceffer says

This might be good one, given all the huge protests that alternative media show every single week.

Yeah I like how they were trying to control the narrative on the yellow vests protests in France when they could no longer ignore them.

Yellow vests were protesting high government taxes such as for fuel.

Eventually the media went the expected path of woke statist and said the yellow vest protests were promoting white supremacy and racism.

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Ceffer says

Europeans refusing to die and freeze for the Globalist elites and their insane criminal enterprises in Ukraine and the world.

Living in a colder climate than most of Europe, I'm still confused how they're going to freeze to death. What parts of non-mountainous Europe see temps ever close to -5ºF like I'll experience here in IL this winter? I could hit -5ºF for a month and easily survive without power. Do Europeans not grill? You can keep a house warm enough over a winter on 4-5 tanks of 20lbs propane and a heater.

Would it suck. For sure. You're not going to die unless you're extremely poor and homeless. Which likely could of happened without this conflict and plenty of gas flowing to Europe. How do the homeless survive in Chicago during cold streaks in Jan/Feb? There is a lot of hyperbole about this situation.

We could profit and send 20 tanker ships with enough propane tanks to supply all of Europe for the winter in 20-30 days for residents and any other natural gas keeps businesses running that is available. Not practical or cheap, but Europe will not freeze. If 40ºF is going to freeze you, you're gay. https://www.gate1travel.com/weather/europe/

WookieMan says

I could hit -5ºF for a month and easily survive without power. Do Europeans not grill? You can keep a house warm enough over a winter on 4-5 tanks of 20lbs propane and a heater.

Where do you think propane comes from? Walmart?

Without power and proper heating, your pipes will freeze solid and burst as well.

I've actually gone through power outages for over a week in Northern NY. It's not as trivial as you make it out to be. We put food out on the porch, stuffed snow into the vegetable trays. It wasn't trivial.

https://kevinbarrett.substack.com/p/beware-of-nuclear-false-flag-blaming

Sadly, I have to predict the US will set off a nuke in order to call off the midterm elections, or maybe just to distract everyone from the vaxx deaths.

I hope I'm wrong about that.

richwicks says

Of course it is. The US has murdered, by current estimate, 9 million people over the last 20 years bombing Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Somalia, and Libya. You know who cares? Nobody, apparently.

The 9 million + people killed by the US over the last 20 years is based on a study conducted by Brown University. It is available on the university website. So I would say that it is a fact and yeah nobody cares. There is no nation on this planet who comes close to doing this, it is quite shameful and yet we continue to pontificate others and villify our own citizens by calling them terrorists.

Patrick says

Sadly, I have to predict the US will set off a nuke in order to call off the midterm elections, or maybe just to distract everyone from the vaxx deaths.

Of course Russia will be blamed (they are already messaging that through the media). Dems know that they will loose and they won't let that happen. The odds of Trump taking office are bleak, irrespective of how the voting goes.

I hope you are wrong too. And quite frankly it seems like fear mongering by bloggers and neocons to keep talking of nukes. Putin is calculated and I don’t believe he would use a nuke, especially knowing that it would open Pandora’s box.

So we are right to consider that if a nuke is used, it is likely not who they said it was that used it. Let’s hope no one is so bold and reckless as to risk a false flag attack.

End this war. Negotiate the peaceful resolution.

HIMARS will soon be firing from Kherson. The approaches to Crimea are within range. This will degrade Russian defenses/LOC's while "left wing" of the counter-offensive takes Mariupol & Melitopol by January. Then begins the decisive phase of the campaign...liberation of Crimea. https://t.co/UBk5Lc5JIO

— Ben Hodges (@general_ben) November 12, 2022

Eric Holder says

HIMARS will soon be firing from Kherson. The approaches to Crimea are within range. This will degrade Russian defenses/LOC's while "left wing" of the counter-offensive takes Mariupol & Melitopol by January. Then begins the decisive phase of the campaign...liberation of Crimea. https://t.co/UBk5Lc5JIO

— Ben Hodges (@general_ben) November 12, 2022

Ukraine already crossed the Dnieper and attacking from the West.

Not a prediction, just facts. All elections considered important by the NWO will continue to be rigged until they make their 2030 goal. Two down three to go!