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WookieMan says

I'm not sure you're getting my point and maybe I have top notch gear.

I get your point very well. I have never felt cold outside myself either, but thousands of people die every winter day in the snow-belt USA (in excess of the other three seasons daily average) due to the cold (cold not only freeze people but also reduce immune system effectiveness). The average social security payout in the US is only about $1k per month, but the average net-worth of those between 55-75yo is over $1M (i.e. social security payment only covers a subset of bare subsistence cost); Ukraine has even more skewed wealth distribution than the US does; using the US ratios, we can estimate the "average" 55-75yo Ukrainian would have a networth in excess of $50k, of course largely due to some Ukranians being much more wealthy than others. The banks are trying to eliminate the account holders. Let's also not forget the multiple people dependent on each of the account holders of some wealth (that's just how societies work).

I know you have revealed elsewhere that you are in your 30's-40's, and you have a networth of over 1M. I don't find it tasteful to reveal that I was roughly double that when I was that age, and now 10x that a decade later. The point you were making essentially boils down to: when they came for the communists and trade unionists I didn't speak up because I was neither a communist nor a trade unionist, when they came for the Jews and homosexuals I didn't speak up because I was neither, when they came for the Catholics I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Catholic . . . we know the stanza following that, don't we?

On top of that, deliberately killing bank account holders also threatens the stability of the banking system itself, and in this case endangering the willingness of people all over the world to be allies and trade partners with the US.

When the temperature is consistently in the 20's and 30'sF, with occasional spikes into the 10'sF, a house/apartment that has electricity cut off (therefore thermostat-controlled heaters stop working) would see pipes frozen, therefore end of reliable potable water supply. It doesn't matter how well insulating your Canada Goose is, when you can't survive without potable water. It wouldn't surprise me if there is real plague / TB breaking out in Ukraine.

No two news outlets spell the name of the Ukrainian president the same way.

Does anyone know the spelling on the MIC kickback checks???

Only 2-4 weeks before the Rasputitsa.

That being said, every book on History I ever read says KIEV not Kyiv or Ki'v or whatever.

What next, we have to say Munchen instead of Munich?

AmericanKulak says

That being said, every book on History I ever read says KIEV not Kyiv or Ki'v or whatever.

A friend of mine was talking to a bunch of his friends about the whole situation, and he mentioned "Kiev", they corrected him with "it's Kyiv, it's ALWAYS been Kyiv".

He's pretty quick on his feet, he responded with, "oh, like in Chicken Kyiv"?

I swear pronunciations change just to keep people inline with the propaganda so "they don't look stupid". I remember when Erdogan was Erdo-Gone and now it's Erdo-Wan. Neither is close to the real pronouncation.

https://translate.google.com/?sl=auto&tl=tr&text=Erdo%C4%9Fan&op=translate

If you click the little speaker in the right window, that's probably very close to the proper pronunciation. Something close to Air-do-whan.

Onvacation says

Patrick says

I don't think the Russians massacred large numbers of Poles like the Germans did.

Define "large numbers".

The Germans killed about a million Poles.

Patrick says

Onvacation says

Patrick says

I don't think the Russians massacred large numbers of Poles like the Germans did.

Define "large numbers".

The Germans killed about a million Poles.

The Polish trust no one. And they'll kill you if threatened. You will die. That's one country I'd never attack. They don't forget. I'm a mutt of Polish, Lithuanian and a sprinkle of German and Irish. Basically mostly Eastern European ancestor wise. Poles are peaceful people, but when the rubber meets the road there's a high probability you'll die.

If Russia is dumb enough to encroach on Poland, I wouldn't worry about NATO. The Polish will fucking kill them violently. No remorse. That's the kind of war that would be. Unless the Russians get sober it would be a blood bath for them. If they can't handle Ukraine, they're toast with a NATO Poland. Polish are probably some of the nicest people, but they'll rip your fucking face off if you attack them. They will organize and kill you. Frankly it's the most dangerous country on the planet as far as will to kill outside of the United states. Everyone else is a paper tiger or funded by the US.

WookieMan says

If Russia is dumb enough to encroach on Poland, I wouldn't worry about NATO. The Polish will fucking kill them violently. No remorse.

Poland was a vassal state of the USSR for almost 50 years.

I have no doubt of Poland's willingness to fight, to the death, but I have my reservations that they can prevail against Russia. Poland's population is 38 million versus 146 million Russians.

If Russia were to end up in a life or death conflict with the EU, I fear we're going to see a 1000 points of light. Russia either has the most nuclear weapons of any nation, or the 2nd most. The US is 1 or 2.

Nobody in their right mind wants a conflict. It's all well and good for armchair quarterback chickenhawks to sit safely on their Lazy-Boy recliner in the US and and the UK, but if I was in Poland, what good would a conflict with Russia be to me?

Ukraine wouldn't be at war if they didn't elect a Zionist traitor. How many Ukrainians want this stupid war? Any that do are nuts. Zelenskyy was elected on the promise he would implement the Minsk Accords, i.e. end the civil war between East and West, and since "at least he's not another goddamned politician", I can see why people did the hail mary pass. Trump was a hail mary pass, it was perceived that he couldn't be worse than the alternative.

Americans seem to love war, because even in the military, most of them never have to fight it, and the few that do fight the war, they are fighting 3rd world countries. It's dangerous, but it's more than a 10:1 kill ratio. These all end up as guerrilla wars which are basically unwinnable. Even when the war "is won", the insurgency (resistance?) still exists, and is just waiting.

Patrick says

Onvacation says

Patrick says

I don't think the Russians massacred large numbers of Poles like the Germans did.

Define "large numbers".

The Germans killed about a million Poles.

Russians killed somewhat less but still a very considerable amount: 22K military shot in Katyn, Ostashkovo, etc: https://warsawinstitute.org/katyn-massacre-mechanisms-genocide/
They also deported about 1.5M Poles to labor camps in 1939-1941, and out of those, about 1M survived. There were about a hundred thousand Poles killed in Stalin's purges in 1937-8, but those were ethnic Poles who were citizens of the USSR. So perhaps Russians killed a few hundred thousand less than Germans, but the difference seems to be not that high. On top of all that, Putin blew up a Polish Pres plane in 2010: http://smolenskcrash.eu/

I perfectly understand why Poles gave all their tanks to Ukraine, why they train and support Ukrainians to their own economic detriment, and why they have now the largest and best equipped army in probably all of Europe. If Ukraine falls, they are next, as history has repeatedly shown.

don’t know what it means, but maybe russia is running out of ammo? its on cnn, so could be false.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/23/europe/russia-ukraine-yevgeny-prigozhin-wagner-campaign-intl-cmd/index.html

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

don’t know what it means, but maybe russia is running out of ammo? its on cnn, so could be false.

"Running out" is too strong term methinks. They simply can not shoot out as much as they please any more from what I read on Russian internets

Zelensky was calling for calm in Jan-Feb 2021 and told the Western press to stop inflaming tensions.
https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-president-tells-west-to-stop-causing-panic-about-russia-2022-1
https://web.archive.org/web/20220129130355/https://www.ft.com/content/97d15970-3c36-439d-aa38-7402f732efbc

And Biden:
https://web.archive.org/web/20220130111339/https://news.yahoo.com/ukraines-president-told-biden-calm-104928095.html

Poroshenko was far more aggressive towards Russia than Zelensky was pre-war. Here's Porky sabre rattling in 2018
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russia-s-response-ukraine-crisis-deploying-missile-system-crimea-n941111

richwicks says

Ukraine wouldn't be at war if they didn't elect a Zionist traitor.

Just say "Jew". Zionist is an ideal. Because somebody is Irish doesn't mean they're an (Irish) Republican.

The only public remarks I could find was that Zelensky made were comparing Israel, restored from the ages, with Ukraine, which has not been an independent state since the Mongol invasions.

AmericanKulak says

Just say "Jew".

No. There's a difference between a Jew and a Zionist.

Just like there's a difference between a KKK member, and somebody that happens to be a white anglo-saxon Protestant.

They aren't the same.

A Zionist is nothing more than a Jewish supremacist. Think about it, the KKK (at the end) wanted a country run by them and controlled by them. If you weren't at least sympathetic to them, you were called "a nigger lover". Well Zionists want a country run by them and controlled by them, and if you're Jewish and aren't a Zionist, you're called a "self hating Jew" and if you're not Jewish you're called "anti-semtic".

Zionists use precisely the same tactics the KKK used.

The KKK is complex too, just as Zionism is. The KKK started as a lose confederation in the south to protect people from carpetbaggers from the North that raided plantations and stole property. They started out as being a militia group against bands of thugs from the North and over time, the only thing that remained of them, was the ugliness of their movement. Now, they're just FIB. The KKK no longer exists, and really, good riddance.

Zionism is ancient, and that's more complex than I currently understand, but I do fully understand it's current incarnation. At the top levels, it's basically a mafia. They hire only within their ingroup which is why you don't see any anti-Zionist Jews in power in government, or even industry.

AmericanKulak says

The only public remarks I could find was that Zelensky made were comparing Israel, restored from the ages,

He's an actor reading from a script.

Ukraine is controlled by the Zionist mafia.

richwicks says

Ukraine wouldn't be at war if they didn't elect a Zionist traitor. How many Ukrainians want this stupid war?

I'd wager far more Ukrainians are willing to fight and defend their country from Putin's "stupid war" than there are Russians willing to drop everything and go get killed or grievously maimed trying to grab land from their next door neighbor.

richwicks says

Zionism is ancient, and that's more complex than I currently understand, but I do fully understand it's current incarnation. At the top levels, it's basically a mafia. They hire only within their ingroup which is why you don't see any anti-Zionist Jews in power in government, or even industry.

It's a nationalist movement.

And by the way, most nationalist movements do launder money, smuggle things, etc to raise money. Whether Kurds or IRA or Basques. The PLO and Hamas certainly do so for the Fake Arab sub-Ethnicity called "Palestinian", a geographical term used by the KGB to create a fake new difference in generic West Levantine Arabs.

richwicks says

A Zionist is nothing more than a Jewish supremacist.

Nationalist. I could claim that the Irish, the vast majority of whom already spoke English natively, were just being Celtic Supremacists by demanding they be out of the UK despite British rule for many centuries beforehand.

Palestinians are just Arab Supremacists. They were fine as part of a greater Caliphate, which is what the Grand Mufti of Jersualem first wanted from the ashes of the Ottomans. And they were fine under Egyptians (gaza) or Jordan (Judea/Samaria aka the neologism "West Bank"). They had no desire to be independent so long as they had fellow Arab rule. No Intifadas against King Hussein or Nassr's illegal annexations, as they were fellow Arabs.

Given the history of the Middle East, Jews would be morons to have to struggle like Kurds, Druze, Armenians, etc. to be a minority under Arab Supremacy.

socal2 says

richwicks says

Ukraine wouldn't be at war if they didn't elect a Zionist traitor. How many Ukrainians want this stupid war?

I'd wager far more Ukrainians are willing to fight and defend their country from Putin's "stupid war" than there are Russians willing to drop everything and go get killed or grievously maimed trying to grab land from their next door neighbor.

Maybe, I don't know.

Ever heard of the "Just War" theory?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_war_theory#Criteria

This war fails on competent authority, probability of success and last resort. This could have simply been avoided by implementing the Minsk Accords, at least according to Putin, who MIGHT have been lying. That's possible, but if it was lying, and there would have been war anyhow, what harm was there in ending their civil war?

AmericanKulak says

And the Palestinians are Arab Supremacists.

Maybe, I don't know.

AmericanKulak says

They were fine as part of a greater Caliphate, which is what the Grand Mufti of Jersualem first wanted. And they were fine under Egyptians (gaza) or Jordan (Judea/Samaria aka the neologism "West Bank"). They had no desire to be independent so long as they had fellow Arab rule.

Palestinians are not well accepted in the rest of the Arab world, that's part of their dilemma. Those that could leave decades ago, did. What we see today are the fanatics who are willing to fight a lost cause, and those that simply cannot escape. They're fucked.

In time, I expect Israel to complete take over the West Bank. What happens to the Palestinians there I don't know. Killed, put onto reservations, just driven out, I don't know. When they're done with that, I expect Gaza to be retaken.

Israel says, officially, they want a "two state solution" TO THE WEST. In Israel they say there will never be a two state solution, and that's the truth. If Israel wanted a two state solution, they could have one tomorrow. They could simply declare their borders, and whatever is left, that's "Palestine". They don't need to negotiate, they have the military might to do it right now. They've had this ability for decades.

richwicks says

Poland was a vassal state of the USSR for almost 50 years.

Yes, the part of Poland that was not outright annexed by the USSR. And before that, Poland was an independent country only between WW1 and WW2. Prior to WW1, "Poland" was completely engulfed by the German and Russian empires.

richwicks says

The KKK is complex too, just as Zionism is. The KKK started as a lose confederation in the south to protect people from carpetbaggers from the North that raided plantations and stole property. They started out as being a militia group against bands of thugs from the North and over time, the only thing that remained of them, was the ugliness of their movement. Now, they're just FIB. The KKK no longer exists, and really, good riddance.

The KKK in the North also tried to stop the Boss System, where Democrats used minorities, to pack corrupt City Governments and rewarded loyal mostly Catholic Immigrant (First Irish, Later Italian) supporters with big jobs. That's why Frank Trump was a member, a Protestant trying to remove Catholic-Democrat Tammany influence in the city and not having to pay the machine.

There were Orange and Green Riots in Manhattan in the 19th Century.

HeadSet says

Yes, the part of Poland that was not outright annexed by the USSR. And before that, Poland was an independent country only between WW1 and WW2. Prior to WW1, "Poland" was completely engulfed by the German and Russian empires.

The first Partition, Russia was invited to take a slice after Prussia drew up plans with Austria/Hapsburgs to carve up Poland, esp. Silesia. EDIT: This was to prevent Russia from intervening on behalf of Poland.

Silesia was the river mouths where Polish Rivers drained, and gave the Prussians control over tariffs and trade to the sea from most of Poland.

The third, the Russians split Poland three ways between themselves, the Austrians, and the Prussians.

AmericanKulak says

The KKK in the North also tried to stop the Boss System, where Democrats used minorities, to pack corrupt City Governments and rewarded loyal mostly Catholic Immigrant (First Irish, Later Italian) supporters with big jobs. That's why Frank Trump was a member, a Protestant trying to remove Catholic-Democrat Tammany influence in the city and not having to pay the machine.

I'm entirely ignorant about this part of the history of the KKK. I'll have to do some reading. I know the general beginning of the KKK and the ultimate demise of it, but not the middle parts of it.

Groups change. For example, I respect the 1950's liberals. By the 1960's they started to go corrupt, by the 70's even more so. All the nonsense and scaremongering on overpopulation, energy resources and so on MIGHT have been honest errors (in many cases probably not) but today, liberal is a dirty word.

richwicks says

Palestinians are not well accepted in the rest of the Arab world, that's part of their dilemma. Those that could leave decades ago, did. What we see today are the fanatics who are willing to fight a lost cause, and those that simply cannot escape. They're fucked.

In time, I expect Israel to complete take over the West Bank. What happens to the Palestinians there I don't know. Killed, put onto reservations, just driven out, I don't know. When they're done with that, I expect Gaza to be retaken.

Palestinians are basically done for, the reason they are not liked is:

1. Attempt to take over Jordan (Black September)
2. Celebrated Saddam, who was a threat to Kuwait and later Saudi Arabia. Palestinians who lived in Kuwait welcomed Saddam's Army with open arms and cheering.
3. Participated in the Iranian Revolution (various factions love or hate them there, not sure of the exact details)
4. Helped kick off the Lebanese Civil War (when they were exiled by King Hussein after Black September)
5. Are general Schnorrers (Give us Monies! We fight the Zios! Good Arabs give fellow Arabstinians monies!)
7. Rich Palestinians are a nuisance in the Gulf (Why are you living in a penthouse on your water bottle wealth, not fixing the water treatment plant in Gaza, or not back in Ramallah attacking Zionists?)
8. Famous for Terrorism, which smears all Arabs.
9. Most Palestinians are firm Socialists.
10. Most Palestinians are quite Secular - too much for more traditional or moderate Arabs.

richwicks says

Israel says, officially, they want a "two state solution" TO THE WEST. In Israel they say there will never be a two state solution, and that's the truth. If Israel wanted a two state solution, they could have one tomorrow. They could simply declare their borders, and whatever is left, that's "Palestine". They don't need to negotiate, they have the military might to do it right now. They've had this ability for decades.

A two-state was hoped for, but it concessions don't stop the terror. It's a long game to reconquest Samaria and Judea while giving the UN and Euro Leftists a headpat for a time.

Gulf Arabs have been long ready to make peace and friendship with Israel.

AmericanKulak says

Palestinians are basically done for, the reason they are not liked is:

1. Attempt to take over Jordan (Black September)
2. Celebrated Saddam, who was a threat to Kuwait and later Saudi Arabia.
3. Participated in the Iranian Revolution (various factions love or hate them there, not sure of the exact details)
4. Helped kick off the Lebanese Civil War (when they were exiled by King Hussein after Black September)
5. Are general Schnorrers (Give us Monies! We fight the Zios! Good Arabs give fellow Arabstinians monies!)
7. Rich Palestinians are a nuisance in the Gulf (Why are you living in a penthouse on your water bottle wealth, not fixing the water treatment plant in Gaza, or not back in Ramallah attacking Zionists?)
8. Famous for Terrorism, which smears all Arabs.
9. Most Palestinians are firm Socialists.
10. Most Palestinians are quite Secular - too much for more traditional or moderate Arabs.

The Palestinians were NEVER liked. That's why there were 1/2 million Palestinian refugees by 1950, and the rest of the Arab world didn't do anything about it. Nobody cares.

The only thing I appreciate about the Israeli/Palestinian conflict today is that it opened up my eyes to the gross hypocrisy and dishonesty of the United States. When I was 20, and FAR stupider than I am now, I actually believed the US had principles. Ohhh, to be naive again. I do resent being systematically propagandized for 20 years, and the next 10 years sucked as I spent that time trying to figure out if ANYTHING in "news" was unbiased or truthful. Then it was another 10 years feeling I might be nuts because I could see our media as complete propaganda but hardly anybody else around me could, and even when I did find the rarity, I suspected they were just humoring me.

I'm really grateful for Trump, he put all my doubts to rest. Having the corporate press lie so blatantly for 4 years, finally vindication. Only took me to 45, and now I feel stupid for EVER believing that what a corporate propaganda system told me was true in order to sell tampons, deodorant, and cough medicines.

I know people older than me though, better educated than me, SMARTER than me, who still think Fox or CNN, or The Economist, or whatever, is "a good news source". Maybe I shouldn't feel so suckered and stupid but I really wish I knew this 30 years ago. Wish I had a mentor and didn't have to figure this out myself.

richwicks says

The only thing I appreciate about the Israeli/Palestinian conflict today is that it opened up my eyes to the gross hypocrisy and dishonesty of the United States. When I was 20, and FAR stupider than I am now, I actually believed the US had principles. Ohhh, to be naive again. I do resent being systematically propagandized for 20 years, and the next 10 years sucked as I spent that time trying to figure out if ANYTHING in "news" was unbiased or truthful. Then it was another 10 years feeling I might be nuts because I could see our media as complete propaganda but hardly anybody else around me could, and even when I did find the rarity, I suspected they were just humoring me.

There was no US-Israeli close relationship until after 1967, when it became clear that the Soviet Union was dumping huge amounts of war material to the Syrians and Egyptians.

Israeli and Soviet pilots got into dogfights during the Secret War:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noXPLL7pyfU

Interestingly, the Soviet pilots got their asses handed to them just like the Arabs had it, much to their chagrin - the Soviet Pilots insisted the Arab Pilots weren't following their Soviet sponsored training.

A Cold War conspiracy theory was "The Jews are all in league with the USSR"

AmericanKulak says

richwicks says

Zionism is ancient, and that's more complex than I currently understand, but I do fully understand it's current incarnation. At the top levels, it's basically a mafia. They hire only within their ingroup which is why you don't see any anti-Zionist Jews in power in government, or even industry.

It's a nationalist movement.

Yes, for Israel.

Zionists represent the interests of Israel first, doesn't matter if they are in Ukraine, the United States, Canada, New Zealand, France, that's irrelevant. They get support from Israel and other Zionists, and if (when) they attain power or financial success, they in turn send money back to Israel.

Look, I'm not complaining about it, and I'm not bitter about it, but it irritates me to no end that people deny it. It's right in front of your face. If Americans are too stupid to recognize what is going on, well, fuck 'em.

AmericanKulak says

A Cold War conspiracy theory was "The Jews are all in league with the USSR"

Well Julius and Ethel Rosenberg were. They were executed on June 19th. Happy Juneteenth day, because they WERE guilty. KGB archives from after the collapse of the USSR proves it, but this didn't stop their kids from still championing their (fake) innocence.

Karl Marx was Jewish, and he is the one that created the whole concept of communism. It was claimed for a long time that the USSR was run by Jews almost exclusively in the early days and if you are to believe Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn in "200 years together" this is true, IF you are to believe him. Many people make this claim, I don't care if it's true or not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_Hundred_Years_Together

The book hasn't been fully translated to English (yet) but it will be. I'll perhaps read it then.

I think we are shortly going to phase orange.

richwicks says

Well Julius and Ethel Rosenberg were. They were executed on June 19th. Happy Juneteenth day, because they WERE guilty. KGB archives from after the collapse of the USSR proves it, but this didn't stop their kids from still championing their (fake) innocence.

Yep, by a Jewish Judge named Kaufman with a Jewish dominated Prosecution with the Chief Assistant, Roy Cohn, the most famous - who later became a Trump's tutor in handling NYC Politics and general PR.

The ringleader of the mostly East Coast Soviet Spy ring, who recruited Rosenburg, Gold, Greenglass, Alfred Dean Slack, and many others was a German Lutheran Pastor's Son named Klaus Fuchs, a mathematician. That discovery of Fuchs by MI5, which led investigators to Gold who broke down, led to a whole bag of Soviet Spies, including the Rosenbergs. Also, if anything Ethel Rosenberg was at least as active as Julius. The myth of her dindu nothing is laughable.

The Manhattan East Side shits never forgave Cohn for being "McCarthy's Lapdog", and there's definitely a chain of relationship between Trump, Guiliani, and Cohn in the Great Leftist Hate Machine.

richwicks says

Karl Marx was Jewish

Karl Marx was NOT Jewish by religion. Heinrich Marx, Karl's father, converted to Lutheranism and was a noted classical liberal and Prussian Patriot, and his entire family - including all his children along with Karl - were baptized in the Church.

He was very irritated at his son Karl's prolifigacy, bad grades, ungratefulness, dislike of commerce and industry, disrespect, and irrascibility at University and later in London and eventually cut him off. It was up to Engles, a literal Anglo-Saxon (half English, half German) industrialist to then support Karl Marx. Engles would go on to complete, edit, and publish Das Kapital from Marx' mostly disjointed notes at his own expense.

Karl Marx had a life long distate for Judaism, culminating in his infamous "On the Jewish Question". Then again, Marxists dislike all actual religious believers.

cisTits says

cisTits says

Finland is a Nazi state like Ukraine:

https://www.dw.com/en/finlands-air-force-removes-the-swastika-from-logo-after-almost-a-century/a-54020470

It's just run by a quisling traitor. They have no stake in this stupid war, but their traitor Sanna Marin was purchased by our government. She's a whore who has betrayed the entire country, although I don't think most of them realize it yet.

Finland has no stake in this stupid war.

richwicks says

Sanna Marin

She's gone!

Defeated by Finnish Populists/Conservative coalition just the other day:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65157357

cisTits says

Bakhmut has already all but fallen. Tens of thousands of Ukeys were thrown into that meat grinder for nothing.

All wars are for nothing other than banking interests. All wars do is kill our strongest men, it's suicidal to every nation.

AmericanKulak says

richwicks says

Karl Marx was Jewish

Karl Marx was NOT Jewish by religion.

It is a racial group, not a religious group. Karl Marx was just simply a racial bigot.

richwicks says

It is a racial group, not a religious group. Karl Marx was just simply a racial bigot.

Karl Marx didn't like Jews, period, the religious or secular kind.

richwicks says

All wars do is kill our strongest men, it's suicidal to every nation.

This X's 10. It's the reason we're sending weapons to Ukraine. We don't actually care about either Russia or Ukraine. I think the goal is to neuter that part of the globe for generations.

As long as Western Europe can keep their shit together this war could stabilize that entire part of the globe for 50 years. If China and Taiwan issue calms itself, we should have a long period of peace outside of a US war hawk looking to stir the shit, which is probable.

AmericanKulak says

Karl Marx didn't like Jews, period,

Karl Marx was Jewish.

WookieMan says

As long as Western Europe can keep their shit together this war could stabilize that entire part of the globe for 50 years. If China and Taiwan issue calms itself,

It would be stable right now and for the next 50 years if we just got rid of our state department

All the US does is destabilize places, including the US. Our government sucks.

richwicks says

All the US does is destabilize places, including the US. Our government sucks.

Where did I dispute that? That is the point of what we're doing over there. Never said I liked it. I'm telling you the strategy and reasoning. The US wants less Russian men alive and they're succeeding by proxy by killing a bunch of corrupt Ukrainians and Russians.

If Russia has no young men to run industry or fight, they're fucked. This isn't complex. We haven't put a US soldier at the front line so who gives a shit? Money could have been better spent is the only thing. Russians can't even run their own infrastructure without Western assistance. We need Elon Musk to send Cosmonauts to the space station at this point and other engineers to run their oil and gas fields.

Russian young men dying stabilizes the globe. Instead of WTF or complaining about the US, prove me wrong... It's been almost a decade since we started shit with American troops. So it's a money issue at this point. And if we didn't do stuff like this, others would to us. Remember Trump dropped the largest non-nuclear bomb (MOAB) in Afghanistan. It wasn't necessary because we didn't need to be there yet he still kept it going.

I suppose if you want Russian troops in Omaha Nebraska with tanks and planes call me stupid then. Because that's what happens when you live in the place with the most resources and infrastructure on the planet. Apparently you guys don't get out of CA much or the country.

WookieMan says

Where did I dispute that? That is the point of what we're doing over there. Never said I liked it. I'm telling you the strategy and reasoning

I think the reasoning is incorrect. The US purposely destabilizes places because it's easier to steal in a warzone than in a working society.

WookieMan says

We need Elon Musk to send Cosmonauts to the space station at this point and other engineers to run their oil and gas fields.

I don't know if this is true.

WookieMan says

And if we didn't do stuff like this, others would to us

I doubt this. Why? We made a shitload of enemies over the last 20 years.

WookieMan says

Remember Trump dropped the largest non-nuclear bomb (MOAB) in Afghanistan. It wasn't necessary because we didn't need to be there yet he still kept it going.

That was a PR move. Geraldo Rivera practically blew a load in his pants when that was done.

WookieMan says

I suppose if you want Russian troops in Omaha Nebraska with tanks and planes call me stupid then.

There is no threat of Russian troops entering the United States.

The US screams in pain as they beat others. Russia isn't the problem, our government is the problem.