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RayAmerica says

Keep in mind, that the typical American has an attention span of no more than about 2 weeks.

The modern public gets swept up in the hysteria by the mainstream media especially invading Iraq after 911 just like Romans got swept up by bread and circus in the Colosseum.

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ad says

What is your proof about the 5 Israelis ?

@ad

Are you fucking kidding me?

Are you young, or do you simply not remember? 5 Israelis, who were "illegal immigrants" were working for Urban Moving Systems, recorded the entire event.

https://yandex.com/search/?text=israelis+urban+moving+systems&lr=102749&search_source=yacom_desktop_common

Fox "news" reported it at the time and retracted the article and threatened anybody reposting it for copyright infringement.

If you're young, like under 40, I can forgive you, but I'm 52 - I remember this in real time. LOTS of people remember it, and they speak about it, however, nobody listens.

It's blatantly obvious that Israel was involved in 9/11 but so was our own government. 9/11 was a false flag to start off 20 years of stupid wars. We're stuck with this criminal government until enough people recognize our government is composed of criminal murderers.

You can't fix a problem until you see the problem, and it's no end of frustration that people refuse to see the problem. Our government, is a criminal syndicate. Joe Biden, when he son Beau Biden died, setup a charity for brain cancer research, he collected about 2 - 4 million dollars for it, and it POCKETED THE MONEY, it wasn't spent on research. He used the death of his OWN SON to make money.

You don't understand the psychopaths in power. I do. These people are monsters. They are not human.

I have seen psychopaths on smaller scales. I used to do dog rescue, I encountered a woman breeding dogs and using the rescue group to sell them. The whole purpose of our group was to save the animals already alive, in a shelter, waiting to die - often abused or something - it was a lot of work to fix them regain trust with them, and she was part of creating the problem, for profit - MINIMAL profit - I spent $1,000's of dollars on dogs to fix medical problems, to acclimate them for a adoption fee of $500. You can dismiss this as a minor evil, it's just evil. Evil people just take advantage of every situation, and really evil people, create the situation.

People are so fucking evil, I just can't do it anymore. I want out of this fucking lunacy.

richwicks says

Are you fucking kidding me?

Also this one who seems to snoop more then you

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/DOC_0001500711.pdf

and this :-/

https://911research.fandom.com/wiki/Urban_Moving_Systems

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richwicks says

I used to do dog rescue, I encountered a woman breeding dogs and using the rescue group to sell them.

Its greedy and immoral, but not very evil if the dogs are not mistreated and eventually end up in better circumstances..

ad says

richwicks says

Are you fucking kidding me?

Also this one who seems to snoop more then you

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/DOC_0001500711.pdf

and this :-/

https://911research.fandom.com/wiki/Urban_Moving_Systems

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I don't see how in any way this doesn't assert that in fact, Israel was involved with 9/11, and in fact demonstrates they were.

There were 5 Israelis recording the destruction of the WTC buildings. Of course they were involved. What's the mystery here? The fact that our government let them go back to Israel indicates the US intelligence agencies were involved. 9/11 was a false flag to start 20 years of stupid fucking wars that did nothing for this country, because we have allowed Neocon FUCKTARDS to control our foreign policy.

Neocons are traitors. They are either immensely incompetent, are or actively working to destroy this nation. Flip a coin, doesn't matter how it lands, it's one or the other, possibly both. At minimum they should be removed from the government, at maximum, they should literally be executed.

Ceffer says

Many net worths are rug pulls. They are generally meaningless except as the person has access to certain amount of liquid credit and as hashtags and magician's tokens for grifts to fool the gullibles as to the status of the net worther. In other words, as often as not, bullshit. Look how many historically 'wealthy' celebrities wind up going bankrupt. How could that possibly happen?
"To pull a good grift or con, you need to show money."

I do not doubt that the numbers are meaningless and totally bullshit....But that is not my point...my point is why do americans care about how much "imaginary" $$$ a "celebrity" has? Why is it important to them? And as you commented about the "status of the net worthee". Why do americans think that high wealth equals high status? Someone could be a terrible person but yet his/her high wealth gives them high status and people still admire them.

socal2 says

Amazes me how some think our government has superhuman ability to run conspiracies and pull off a 9/11,

What do you mean by government? All that was needed was 10 or less operatives to do the heavy lifting and the media would do the rest. They didn't need pelosi or schummer or any govt. intervention for the job. Also, why do you say "run conspiracies"? I think you mean run an operation.

“ People are so fucking evil, I just can't do it anymore. I want out of this fucking lunacy.”

Yep that’s the situation. None good but God.
And that includes you, no matter how many dogs you’ve rescued.
It’s just become super obvious lately.

socal2 says

I don't care.

Apathy and ignorance is a dangerous combination.

socal2 says

Absolutely impossible to wire a huge building like that for controlled demolition without ANYONE seeing anything. It would take miles of detonation cord, hundred of pounds of explosives, weeks and weeks of engineers working day and night cutting and prepping beams etc.

And yet office fires can make it fall at the acceleration of gravity?

Ignorance has consequences.

AmericanKulak says

I never thought about it from the perspective of "If they could wire up 2 megascrapers and another high rise, why couldn't they plant WMDs in Iraq to justify the invasion and eliminate most of the domestic criticism". That's a great one.

Really - you never thought of that?

I was making this argument for years and have never gotten a 9/11 troofer or Islamist/Commie apologist to even try and address this obvious point. They rather discuss Rosie O'Donnell's renowned expertise in metallurgy and other nonsensical bullshit about Israelis.

It takes a special level of retardation to simultaneously think forces in the US government are so amazing they could implement (let alone cover up 9/11) but had no plan to plant WMD's in Iraq despite US forces having near total control of that country for 10+ years.

Patrick says

Then later they thought, "Hey, we can use 9/11 to justify attacking Iraq."

A couple of years before the attacks on 9/11 and the subsequent illegal invasion of Iraq (and Afghanistan), Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz wrote a position paper for the State of Israel on the subject of Saddam Hussein and Iraq. In it, they strongly emphasized the need, for the security of Israel, to remove Saddam from power and thereby install a pro-Israeli government.
Perle and Wolfowitz, both NeoCons with strong ties to Israel, were extremely influential in the Bush Administration, prior to and during the days of the USA's illegal invasions. The fact that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 indicates that the Israeli position paper written by Perle and Wolfowitz was, at the very least, influential in the decision to invade Iraq.

9/11 was the excuse that was needed to implement the plan to remake the Middle East. Soon after 9/11, at the Pentagon, Gen. Wesley Clark was shown a classified memo by a 4 Star General, that was written by then Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld. The memo listed seven countries that were to be toppled by the U.S. military in the coming five years: Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Iran. In that order.

While the timeline is certainly off from the original plan, the script of this memo has pretty much been followed.

komputodo says

socal2 says

Amazes me how some think our government has superhuman ability to run conspiracies and pull off a 9/11,

What do you mean by government? All that was needed was 10 or less operatives to do the heavy lifting and the media would do the rest. They didn't need pelosi or schummer or any govt. intervention for the job. Also, why do you say "run conspiracies"? I think you mean run an operation.

Dude - you think it would only take 10 people to SECRETLY rig 3 of the largest buildings in the world for implosion? It takes over 6 months with an army of engineers to rig a medium to small size tower. Imagine how much longer it would take to SECRETLY rig the biggest buildings in the world? It would have to started before Bush was even elected.

Do you think there would be absolutely no evidence of detonation cord and evidence of blast points after the implosions? No witnesses seeing unusual construction activity for months and years? There were thousands and thousands of people (across multiple government agencies) involved in the cleanup and investigation of the tower collapses.

There is no way a secret cabal of a handful of people could keep this conspiracy under wraps with so many people poking around. 9/11 troofer retardation was in full swing just a few years after the Islamist attacks and lots of people would be grabbing onto ANY physical evidence of internal explosives. Instead the troofers have to rely on the renowned metallurgy expertise of the Rosie O'Donnell's of the world!

Our government is filled with far too many stupid and incompetent people, yet 9/11 troofers still have a child like belief in our government's superhuman abilities. It's embarrassing!

Pentagon Doesn’t Deny 2,000 U.S. Troops Given ‘Prepare-to-Deploy’ Orders to Support Israel in War with Hamas

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/10/17/pentagon-doesnt-deny-2000-u-s-troops-given-prepare-to-deploy-orders-to-support-israel-in-war-with-hamas/

socal2

"Dude," why don't you make those "Troofers" look silly and explain how that 47 story Building 7 collapsed because of a fire located in a corner of the building.

Go ahead, make those "Troofers" look silly with your brilliant explanation.

While you're at it, tell those "Troofers" how the Pentagon's cameras all just sort of malfunctioned on that fateful day. Go for it "Dude."

RayAmerica says

A couple of years before the attacks on 9/11 and the subsequent illegal invasion of Iraq (and Afghanistan), Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz wrote a position paper for the State of Israel on the subject of Saddam Hussein and Iraq. In it, they strongly emphasized the need, for the security of Israel, to remove Saddam from power and thereby install a pro-Israeli government.

Of course.

But unless you are only 9 years old and don't remember history, Iraq was the biggest unfinished business for the US military after the fall of the USSR.

Iraq was the only place in the world where we still had US troops and pilots getting routinely fired upon by Saddam's forces as we were enforcing the UN Sanctions and No Fly Zones to protect Kurds and Shia from genocide.

After 9/11, Bin Laden specifically cited US "infidels" stationed in Saudi Arabia (as part of the UN Sanctions program against Iraq) as one of the main reasons for attacking the US on 9/11.

Saddam was not directly behind 9/11, but it is all related in what makes up the Muslim/Arab shithole world.

Neocons falsely thought if they kick over the chess board after 9/11 by removing Saddam, we could remove troops from Saudi land and it would make some room for some less-crazy Muslims to take power in Iraq and set an example for the rest of the Middle East.

Neocons and the US military grossly underestimated how fucked up and brutal the Muslim world is. Our military could topple the Iraqi and Taliban governments inside of a few weeks, but we couldn't keep the Muslims from killing each other all these years after.

It's so cute that there are people who still think that 9/11 was real.

RayAmerica says

"Dude," why don't you make those "Troofers" look silly and explain how that 47 story Building 7 collapsed because of a fire located in a corner of the building.

I dunno - maybe because two of the largest buildings in the world came crashing down directly adjacent to Building 7 resulting in a massive debris pile that weakened the structure and caused a massive fire that burned uncontrolled for hours weakening the beams? The water supply to the building was damaged by the other tower collapse so the fires burned for hours on several floors.

There are plenty of independent fact checks from independent engineering and news organizations on WTC7. They even narrow it down to a specific girders and floors that failed.
https://www.nist.gov/world-trade-center-investigation/study-faqs/wtc-7-investigation

But I guess all the independent investigators, news agencies and MIT were ALL in the conspiracy too? A conspiracy so large and vast, yet not a single person has come clean yet.....

The liberal Media and Democrats would have liked nothing better than to hang a 9/11 conspiracy on the Bush administration if there was any there there.

So here we are 20+ years later and only Islamists and Russian/Chinese boosters are pushing this tired old bullshit still trying to confuse and divide our country.

Ceffer says

It's so cute that there are people who still think that 9/11 was real.

IT WAS SATANTIST GLOBALHOMOS and JOOS - right?

It certainly wasn't Islamic terrorists. All those Islamic terrorist attacks since 9/11 in Europe, Africa, Asia and the Middle East are fake too!

Russia didn't invade Ukraine either.

Keep defending the indefensible. I think the girls at Code Pink are needing some support at their next Islamic support protest.

socal2 says

Dude - you think it would only take 10 people to SECRETLY rig 3 of the largest buildings in the world for implosion? It takes over 6 months with an army of engineers to rig a medium to small size tower. Imagine how much longer it would take to SECRETLY rig the biggest buildings in the world? It would have to started before Bush was even elected.

Do you think there would be absolutely no evidence of detonation cord and evidence of blast points after the implosions? No witnesses seeing unusual construction activity for months and years? There were thousands and thousands of people (across multiple government agencies) involved in the cleanup and investigation of the tower collapses.

There was renovation/construction going on inside WTC prior to 9-11, carried out by a company that had one of the Bush brothers on the board. As for how much effort it takes to take down a building, the usual large amount of human effort in peacetime rigging up a building for implosion is due to safety reasons: double-check, triple-check, 100x safety verification carried out every step of the way in order to avoid a single human casualty. When the operators don't have to worry about avoiding maiming/killing people, bringing down a building can be much much quicker. Did you not see the video a few days of how the Hamas administrative building was brought down? That was a medium sized building, took only seconds by a few missile strikes into the weight-bearing columns.

The cover-up for 9-11 was also easy: cordoning off the site, and shipping off the debris quickly before any forensic study was done. Planting WMD in occupied Iraq and covering up the planting would be a lot harder: you would have to present the evidence to the world public and subject all such evidence to tight scrutiny without the convenient excuse for destroying all evidence after 9-11.

As for communists, they too are controlled opposition financed by the globalist banking cabal (to kill bank account holders, whose account balances are liabilities to the banks). Same as murderous Jihadis (a tiny minority of world Muslims) and Zionists (a tiny minority of Jews who have no qualms about killing Jews in order to farm Jews). Jews farming Jews and Muslims farming Muslims for pay from the globalist banking cabal should be no surprise to anyone after Bernie Madoff, after Israeli government strictly enforcing toxxine shots on Israelis, and after thousands of years of false messiahs throughout Jewish history.

socal2 says

Neocons falsely thought if they kick over the chess board after 9/11 by removing Saddam, we could remove troops from Saudi land and it would make some room for some less-crazy Muslims to take power in Iraq and set an example for the rest of the Middle East.

Neocons and the US military grossly underestimated how fucked up and brutal the Muslim world is. Our military could topple the Iraqi and Taliban governments inside of a few weeks, but we couldn't keep the Muslims from killing each other all these years after.

Either naive or lying through teeth. The Neocons have been promoting conflict between Sunnis and Shiites for decades. Notice Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and Lebanon all have Sunni vs. Shiite split. I used to think it was a Neocon strategy to promote Shiite power (e.g. toppling Sunni-favoring Saddam regime so that the majority Shiites in Iraq would rise to power align with Iran next door) as a counter-balance to the various Sunni countries surrounding Israel. Now it's quite clear that the various Sunni countries surrounding Israel are actually run by Israeli-friendly puppets despite the Muslim public there being constantly fed a propaganda diet of hatred towards Jews and Israelis. Then such policies bring up the issue of what-for: why is Iran being paid and encouraged to have their nuclear weapons? Seems the population most at risk of Iranian nuclear weapons are Jews living in Israel! Who happen to have 30% savings rate and have accumulated in the last 75 years a vast claim against banks after giving their life-time/generational savings to the banks.

socal2 says

But I guess all the independent investigators, news agencies and MIT were ALL in the conspiracy too? A conspiracy so large and vast, yet not a single person has come clean yet.....

The liberal Media and Democrats would have liked nothing better than to hang a 9/11 conspiracy on the Bush administration if there was any there there.

So here we are 20+ years later and only Islamists and Russian/Chinese boosters are pushing this tired old bullshit still trying to confuse and divide our country.

How many people in the Scamdemic/Toxxine-jab operation have come clean? So far we still only have conspiracy facts to go on, and being suppressed just like 9-11 (and to a lesser degree Pearl Harbor). Plenty independent investigators have been exposing the scams, but you are here to defend the narrative promoted by the actual conspirators. News agencies are obviously controlled ever since (if not before) Operation Mockingbird (yes, even Watergate was a conspiracy to get rid of Nixon, not intrepid reporters exposing scandal). What about MIT? There can be paid shills there too: money meeting the less successful compared to their own peers at the Institute. Aren't Caroline Ellison's parents professors there? Weren't SBF and Elizabeth Holmes at Stanford? What about the Harvard idiots who recently signed on pro-Hamas declarations without reading them?

The most telling sign showing the impossibility of the official narrative about the fall of the 3 WTC buildings is the fact that investors did not stop building skyscrapers after 9-11, but kept building and building many more all over the world! If the skyscrapers were that easy to be brought down (a plane hit or a few hours of fire), who would continue building such death traps? Who would continue insuring such buildings? The smart money obviously believe each of the 3 skyscrapers falling that day (in their official narrative description) was not representative of how physics would normally work, and they are correct: out of over 100 years of skyscraper history, none other than those 3 have fallen due to a plane hit or a few hours of fire!

News reports are that Israel struck a hospital in Gaza killing 500. Escalation of the conflict is almost a certainty.

Reality says

Did you not see the video a few days of how the Hamas administrative building was brought down? That was a medium sized building, took only seconds by a few missile strikes into the weight-bearing columns.

EXACTLY!

So why bother with this absolutely retarded (and highly risky) notion of wiring a building to implode if they already had Jihadis flying commercial airliners into them? Was there supposed to be another jet to crash into WTC 7 too? If not, why wire that building?

Even if the buildings didn't totally collapse, the death toll and outrage would have been enough to galvanize the US public to support toppling Al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan.

Patrick says

The WEF and similar elites hate Russia, Iran, N. Korean not because they are evil, but because they are impediments to despotic, totalitarian One World Government.

Putin is a member of the WEF. It's us against them. Just because them has infighting and factions, doesn't change them's goal. Our enslavement is the end game them is always playing. And in NK and China they're a lot fucking closer than they are in the US.

socal2 says

Really - you never thought of that?

Nope. Not being a dick either.

Sometimes the synapses don't fire in tandem, I guess.

If they could wire 3 big buildings, which would take scores of people several days having to go into offices in use and inconvenience floor after floor of multi-milliondollar lease payers with knocking out walls to get at the core, pissing them off as they were trying to time big money trades or making big deals on the phone but nobody noticed or complained or spoke to the media...

"Mr. Rodriguez, I intend to buy the entire crop if you could ..."
WHACK WHACK WHACK
"Excuse me, Jorge. WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU GUYS DOING IN MY OFFICE?!"
"Uh, just some infrastructure, uh replacement"
"GET THE F--- OUT!"
"We're here because the Super---"
"FUCK HIM I DIDNT GET A NOTICE. Linda, get these guys outta here, call security. Tell them I wanna talk to the Building Super and get an explanation as to why there's repair work WITHOUT ANY FUCKING NOTICE."
""Sir, it's vital that..."
"I'M ABOUT TO MAKE $150k IN COMMISSION. YOU KNOW HOW EXPENSIVE IT IS TO SUPPORT MY EXWIVES? SO GTFO!!"

Think of the 100s of floors and offices around the Core and how impossible it is this convo didn't happen at least once.

"Oh but it was at night"
You think all those offices were empty at night and Trades don't happen in Tokyo or London at night EST? When do you think the cleaning crews come in? They run the vacuum at 3PM on a monday, or 3AM? Nobody saw nothing, though.

they could certainly get a truck or two and dump convincing (if not actually functional) shells and bombs banned by the 1993 Chem War Treaty in some old bunker or disued Iraqi Army building basement in 2004 after occupation. "We found the WMDs!"

Patrick says

Just one, the left was a response to the right, and he's not a "Dual Citizen", he's a US born Christian disabled Veteran with artifical legs from his US military service. Wearing a gifted IDF uniform once is not the same as having a Terror Flag flying outside your office year after year.

GreaterNYCDude says

News reports are that Israel struck a hospital in Gaza killing 500. Escalation of the conflict is almost a certainty.

Those News Reports are entirely based on Hamas. Remember that Hamas IS the government of Gaza, so the Gaza Health Ministry is run by Hamas.

Hamas fires rockets from the grounds of schools and hospitals - even the Pali-Simp @UNRWA admits this - and they store munitions in them too, which could easily be set off.

AP reporters were infamously whinging about being "Knocked" out of an office they denied the knew was being shared with Hamas, though it was for years. Also, those reporters reporting from Gaza are mostly Palestinian.

socal2 says

Reality says

Did you not see the video a few days of how the Hamas administrative building was brought down? That was a medium sized building, took only seconds by a few missile strikes into the weight-bearing columns.

EXACTLY!

So why bother with this absolutely retarded (and highly risky) notion of wiring a building to implode if they already had Jihadis flying commercial airliners into them? Was there supposed to be another jet to crash into WTC 7 too? If not, why wire that building?

Even if the buildings didn't totally collapse, the death toll and outrage would have been enough to galvanize the US public to support toppling Al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan.

Missiles hitting the Hamas administrative building had explosive war heads, whereas jet liners don't carry explosives onboard (and can't be fused properly even if it did have explosives onboard, as there hasn't been systematic testing of Boeing 737/767 as projectile weapons). The missiles hitting the Hamas administrative building delivered explosive warheads into spots near the foundation of the building, the delayed fuse explosion from the war heads broke the support columns and brought down the building. The jetliners had no explosives onboard, and hit high up on the building. The fire in WTC7 was near the roof of the building on one corner; the collapse made no sense whatsoever unless explosives much lower in the building broke the support. WTC7 had to be brought down likely due to its holding a lot of paper records that the cabal wanted to destroy. WTC1 and WTC2 had to be brought down entirely because total collapse would make it easy to cordon off the site and ship off the debris removing all forensic evidence, whereas if they had stood in place missing only the tops would prevent the removal of forensic evidence while attracting tons of people during subsequent slow demolition. Besides, before it was done, there was no guarantee the planes would even hit the building (it's not an easy task for a plane flying at 500+mph to hit what looked like two thin sticks from long distance), the owner wanted to collect double insurance pay-out (without having to have many insurance assessors combing through the buildings if they stood after the hit) while avoiding having to pay the extraordinary cost of asbestos removal in such a huge building. Many members of the cabal and operatives also likely had to be paid off from some of the money to keep their mouths shut. So explosives were rigged into the critical support structures to ensure buildings complete destruction; as we saw from the missile strike video, it doesn't take many explosive hits to critical support columns in the building to bring down a building, so rigging it up wouldn't take long especially when the operation is not concerned with avoiding all human casualty.

AmericanKulak says

Hamas fires rockets from the grounds of schools and hospitals - even the Pali-Simp UNRWA admits this - and they store munitions in them too, which could easily be set off.

terrorism employs a "by any means necessary" strategy

and they target the easy targets as far as spreading fear and chaos like the liberal and unarmed kibbutz and not the armed orthodox settlements ... you rarely see a bully trying to bully a bully ....

socal2 says

It takes over 6 months with an army of engineers to rig a medium to small size tower. Imagine how much longer it would take to SECRETLY rig the biggest buildings in the world?

Is that less believable than, "WTC7 fell from office fires" ?

Do you really believe that office fires caused a 47 story skyscraper to fall?

"Our working hypothesis now actually suggests that it was normal building fires that were growing and spreading throughout the multiple floors that may have caused the ultimate collapse of the buildings."
Dr Shyam Sunder, the National Institute of Standards and Technology's lead investigator.

The official story is that fire caused ALL THREE WTC towers to collapse.

socal2 says

Our government is filled with far too many stupid and incompetent people,

Yep! And ignorant apathetic people that believe their conspiracy theories.

socal2 says

Was there supposed to be another jet to crash into WTC 7 too? If not, why wire that building?

Didn't a plane crash in Shanksville? Maybe that was the one targeted for WTC7.

The planes alone could not destroy the buildings so they used the planes as an excuse.

Only the ignorant, or government shills, believe two planes brought down three massive steel framed towers. Are you one of those?

Onvacation says

The official story is that fire caused ALL THREE WTC towers to collapse.

Yes - uncontrolled blazing infernos can weaken steel despite what Rosie O'Donnell says.

I am sure the two big fucking holes punched THROUGH the buildings didn't help structural stability either. But it was the uncontrolled fire that did it in.

Onvacation says

Didn't a plane crash in Shanksville? Maybe that was the one targeted for WTC7.

FFS - who the fuck knows or cared about WTC7 back then? Why not the Empire State building?

Flight 93 was clearly heading to DC.

I am surprised there is so much support for Gaza. I never would have expected that.

Maybe having 99 percent of the Western World MSM propaganda press entirely locked up and blowing like a hurricane in a single direction isn't all it's cracked up to be.

Ceffer says

Maybe having 99 percent of the Western World MSM propaganda press entirely locked up and blowing like a hurricane in a single direction isn't all it's cracked up to be.

NOT anymore.

Taken long enough.

Ceffer says

I am surprised there is so much support for Gaza. I never would have expected that.

Yeah - lots of BLM, Antifa, Islamists, LGBTQ, Feminist, Eurotrash, Jew haters and Commies are down with the struggle.

Normal American people not so much.

Anecdotal only, but many of my reliably Liberal and Palestinian sympathetic friends are basically done with the Palestinians after the Hamas attack.

socal2 says

Normal American people not so much.

Normal American people think we just went through a pandemic. Normal American people can't name the last 7 nations the US has bombed. Normal American people don't even know that more children and adults are dead in missing in Maui than there were in Israel.

socal2 says

Anecdotal only, but many of my reliably Liberal and Palestinian sympathetic friends are basically done with the Palestinians after the Hamas attack.

They "think" what the television tells them to think.

Please recall how dishonest our media is. You have no idea what is going on. I wouldn't be surprised if more than 100,000 people are killed in this. Normal Americans will cheer this on, and years later, will recognize "well, I was fucking genocidal maniac wasn't I? Oh well.. What's on TV?"