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RayAmerica
2023 Oct 17, 8:58am
RayAmerica
2023 Oct 17, 8:58am
socal2
"Dude," why don't you make those "Troofers" look silly and explain how that 47 story Building 7 collapsed because of a fire located in a corner of the building.
Go ahead, make those "Troofers" look silly with your brilliant explanation.
While you're at it, tell those "Troofers" how the Pentagon's cameras all just sort of malfunctioned on that fateful day. Go for it "Dude."
"Dude," why don't you make those "Troofers" look silly and explain how that 47 story Building 7 collapsed because of a fire located in a corner of the building.
Go ahead, make those "Troofers" look silly with your brilliant explanation.
While you're at it, tell those "Troofers" how the Pentagon's cameras all just sort of malfunctioned on that fateful day. Go for it "Dude."
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socal2
2023 Oct 17, 9:03am
RayAmerica says
Of course.
But unless you are only 9 years old and don't remember history, Iraq was the biggest unfinished business for the US military after the fall of the USSR.
Iraq was the only place in the world where we still had US troops and pilots getting routinely fired upon by Saddam's forces as we were enforcing the UN Sanctions and No Fly Zones to protect Kurds and Shia from genocide.
After 9/11, Bin Laden specifically cited US "infidels" stationed in Saudi Arabia (as part of the UN Sanctions program against Iraq) as one of the main reasons for attacking the US on 9/11.
Saddam was not directly behind 9/11, but it is all related in what makes up the Muslim/Arab shithole world.
Neocons falsely thought if they kick over the chess board after 9/11 by removing Saddam, we could remove troops from Saudi land and it would make some room for some less-crazy Muslims to take power in Iraq and set an example for the rest of the Middle East.
Neocons and the US military grossly underestimated how fucked up and brutal the Muslim world is. Our military could topple the Iraqi and Taliban governments inside of a few weeks, but we couldn't keep the Muslims from killing each other all these years after.
A couple of years before the attacks on 9/11 and the subsequent illegal invasion of Iraq (and Afghanistan), Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz wrote a position paper for the State of Israel on the subject of Saddam Hussein and Iraq. In it, they strongly emphasized the need, for the security of Israel, to remove Saddam from power and thereby install a pro-Israeli government.
Of course.
But unless you are only 9 years old and don't remember history, Iraq was the biggest unfinished business for the US military after the fall of the USSR.
Iraq was the only place in the world where we still had US troops and pilots getting routinely fired upon by Saddam's forces as we were enforcing the UN Sanctions and No Fly Zones to protect Kurds and Shia from genocide.
After 9/11, Bin Laden specifically cited US "infidels" stationed in Saudi Arabia (as part of the UN Sanctions program against Iraq) as one of the main reasons for attacking the US on 9/11.
Saddam was not directly behind 9/11, but it is all related in what makes up the Muslim/Arab shithole world.
Neocons falsely thought if they kick over the chess board after 9/11 by removing Saddam, we could remove troops from Saudi land and it would make some room for some less-crazy Muslims to take power in Iraq and set an example for the rest of the Middle East.
Neocons and the US military grossly underestimated how fucked up and brutal the Muslim world is. Our military could topple the Iraqi and Taliban governments inside of a few weeks, but we couldn't keep the Muslims from killing each other all these years after.
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Ceffer
2023 Oct 17, 9:28am
Ceffer
2023 Oct 17, 9:28am
It's so cute that there are people who still think that 9/11 was real.
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socal2
2023 Oct 17, 9:43am
RayAmerica says
I dunno - maybe because two of the largest buildings in the world came crashing down directly adjacent to Building 7 resulting in a massive debris pile that weakened the structure and caused a massive fire that burned uncontrolled for hours weakening the beams? The water supply to the building was damaged by the other tower collapse so the fires burned for hours on several floors.
There are plenty of independent fact checks from independent engineering and news organizations on WTC7. They even narrow it down to a specific girders and floors that failed.
https://www.nist.gov/world-trade-center-investigation/study-faqs/wtc-7-investigation
But I guess all the independent investigators, news agencies and MIT were ALL in the conspiracy too? A conspiracy so large and vast, yet not a single person has come clean yet.....
The liberal Media and Democrats would have liked nothing better than to hang a 9/11 conspiracy on the Bush administration if there was any there there.
So here we are 20+ years later and only Islamists and Russian/Chinese boosters are pushing this tired old bullshit still trying to confuse and divide our country.
"Dude," why don't you make those "Troofers" look silly and explain how that 47 story Building 7 collapsed because of a fire located in a corner of the building.
I dunno - maybe because two of the largest buildings in the world came crashing down directly adjacent to Building 7 resulting in a massive debris pile that weakened the structure and caused a massive fire that burned uncontrolled for hours weakening the beams? The water supply to the building was damaged by the other tower collapse so the fires burned for hours on several floors.
There are plenty of independent fact checks from independent engineering and news organizations on WTC7. They even narrow it down to a specific girders and floors that failed.
https://www.nist.gov/world-trade-center-investigation/study-faqs/wtc-7-investigation
But I guess all the independent investigators, news agencies and MIT were ALL in the conspiracy too? A conspiracy so large and vast, yet not a single person has come clean yet.....
The liberal Media and Democrats would have liked nothing better than to hang a 9/11 conspiracy on the Bush administration if there was any there there.
So here we are 20+ years later and only Islamists and Russian/Chinese boosters are pushing this tired old bullshit still trying to confuse and divide our country.
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socal2
2023 Oct 17, 9:47am
Ceffer says
IT WAS SATANTIST GLOBALHOMOS and JOOS - right?
It certainly wasn't Islamic terrorists. All those Islamic terrorist attacks since 9/11 in Europe, Africa, Asia and the Middle East are fake too!
Russia didn't invade Ukraine either.
Keep defending the indefensible. I think the girls at Code Pink are needing some support at their next Islamic support protest.
It's so cute that there are people who still think that 9/11 was real.
IT WAS SATANTIST GLOBALHOMOS and JOOS - right?
It certainly wasn't Islamic terrorists. All those Islamic terrorist attacks since 9/11 in Europe, Africa, Asia and the Middle East are fake too!
Russia didn't invade Ukraine either.
Keep defending the indefensible. I think the girls at Code Pink are needing some support at their next Islamic support protest.
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Reality
2023 Oct 17, 10:13am
socal2 says
There was renovation/construction going on inside WTC prior to 9-11, carried out by a company that had one of the Bush brothers on the board. As for how much effort it takes to take down a building, the usual large amount of human effort in peacetime rigging up a building for implosion is due to safety reasons: double-check, triple-check, 100x safety verification carried out every step of the way in order to avoid a single human casualty. When the operators don't have to worry about avoiding maiming/killing people, bringing down a building can be much much quicker. Did you not see the video a few days of how the Hamas administrative building was brought down? That was a medium sized building, took only seconds by a few missile strikes into the weight-bearing columns.
The cover-up for 9-11 was also easy: cordoning off the site, and shipping off the debris quickly before any forensic study was done. Planting WMD in occupied Iraq and covering up the planting would be a lot harder: you would have to present the evidence to the world public and subject all such evidence to tight scrutiny without the convenient excuse for destroying all evidence after 9-11.
As for communists, they too are controlled opposition financed by the globalist banking cabal (to kill bank account holders, whose account balances are liabilities to the banks). Same as murderous Jihadis (a tiny minority of world Muslims) and Zionists (a tiny minority of Jews who have no qualms about killing Jews in order to farm Jews). Jews farming Jews and Muslims farming Muslims for pay from the globalist banking cabal should be no surprise to anyone after Bernie Madoff, after Israeli government strictly enforcing toxxine shots on Israelis, and after thousands of years of false messiahs throughout Jewish history.
socal2 says
Either naive or lying through teeth. The Neocons have been promoting conflict between Sunnis and Shiites for decades. Notice Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and Lebanon all have Sunni vs. Shiite split. I used to think it was a Neocon strategy to promote Shiite power (e.g. toppling Sunni-favoring Saddam regime so that the majority Shiites in Iraq would rise to power align with Iran next door) as a counter-balance to the various Sunni countries surrounding Israel. Now it's quite clear that the various Sunni countries surrounding Israel are actually run by Israeli-friendly puppets despite the Muslim public there being constantly fed a propaganda diet of hatred towards Jews and Israelis. Then such policies bring up the issue of what-for: why is Iran being paid and encouraged to have their nuclear weapons? Seems the population most at risk of Iranian nuclear weapons are Jews living in Israel! Who happen to have 30% savings rate and have accumulated in the last 75 years a vast claim against banks after giving their life-time/generational savings to the banks.
Dude - you think it would only take 10 people to SECRETLY rig 3 of the largest buildings in the world for implosion? It takes over 6 months with an army of engineers to rig a medium to small size tower. Imagine how much longer it would take to SECRETLY rig the biggest buildings in the world? It would have to started before Bush was even elected.
Do you think there would be absolutely no evidence of detonation cord and evidence of blast points after the implosions? No witnesses seeing unusual construction activity for months and years? There were thousands and thousands of people (across multiple government agencies) involved in the cleanup and investigation of the tower collapses.
There was renovation/construction going on inside WTC prior to 9-11, carried out by a company that had one of the Bush brothers on the board. As for how much effort it takes to take down a building, the usual large amount of human effort in peacetime rigging up a building for implosion is due to safety reasons: double-check, triple-check, 100x safety verification carried out every step of the way in order to avoid a single human casualty. When the operators don't have to worry about avoiding maiming/killing people, bringing down a building can be much much quicker. Did you not see the video a few days of how the Hamas administrative building was brought down? That was a medium sized building, took only seconds by a few missile strikes into the weight-bearing columns.
The cover-up for 9-11 was also easy: cordoning off the site, and shipping off the debris quickly before any forensic study was done. Planting WMD in occupied Iraq and covering up the planting would be a lot harder: you would have to present the evidence to the world public and subject all such evidence to tight scrutiny without the convenient excuse for destroying all evidence after 9-11.
As for communists, they too are controlled opposition financed by the globalist banking cabal (to kill bank account holders, whose account balances are liabilities to the banks). Same as murderous Jihadis (a tiny minority of world Muslims) and Zionists (a tiny minority of Jews who have no qualms about killing Jews in order to farm Jews). Jews farming Jews and Muslims farming Muslims for pay from the globalist banking cabal should be no surprise to anyone after Bernie Madoff, after Israeli government strictly enforcing toxxine shots on Israelis, and after thousands of years of false messiahs throughout Jewish history.
socal2 says
Neocons falsely thought if they kick over the chess board after 9/11 by removing Saddam, we could remove troops from Saudi land and it would make some room for some less-crazy Muslims to take power in Iraq and set an example for the rest of the Middle East.
Neocons and the US military grossly underestimated how fucked up and brutal the Muslim world is. Our military could topple the Iraqi and Taliban governments inside of a few weeks, but we couldn't keep the Muslims from killing each other all these years after.
Either naive or lying through teeth. The Neocons have been promoting conflict between Sunnis and Shiites for decades. Notice Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and Lebanon all have Sunni vs. Shiite split. I used to think it was a Neocon strategy to promote Shiite power (e.g. toppling Sunni-favoring Saddam regime so that the majority Shiites in Iraq would rise to power align with Iran next door) as a counter-balance to the various Sunni countries surrounding Israel. Now it's quite clear that the various Sunni countries surrounding Israel are actually run by Israeli-friendly puppets despite the Muslim public there being constantly fed a propaganda diet of hatred towards Jews and Israelis. Then such policies bring up the issue of what-for: why is Iran being paid and encouraged to have their nuclear weapons? Seems the population most at risk of Iranian nuclear weapons are Jews living in Israel! Who happen to have 30% savings rate and have accumulated in the last 75 years a vast claim against banks after giving their life-time/generational savings to the banks.
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Reality
2023 Oct 17, 10:39am
socal2 says
How many people in the Scamdemic/Toxxine-jab operation have come clean? So far we still only have conspiracy facts to go on, and being suppressed just like 9-11 (and to a lesser degree Pearl Harbor). Plenty independent investigators have been exposing the scams, but you are here to defend the narrative promoted by the actual conspirators. News agencies are obviously controlled ever since (if not before) Operation Mockingbird (yes, even Watergate was a conspiracy to get rid of Nixon, not intrepid reporters exposing scandal). What about MIT? There can be paid shills there too: money meeting the less successful compared to their own peers at the Institute. Aren't Caroline Ellison's parents professors there? Weren't SBF and Elizabeth Holmes at Stanford? What about the Harvard idiots who recently signed on pro-Hamas declarations without reading them?
The most telling sign showing the impossibility of the official narrative about the fall of the 3 WTC buildings is the fact that investors did not stop building skyscrapers after 9-11, but kept building and building many more all over the world! If the skyscrapers were that easy to be brought down (a plane hit or a few hours of fire), who would continue building such death traps? Who would continue insuring such buildings? The smart money obviously believe each of the 3 skyscrapers falling that day (in their official narrative description) was not representative of how physics would normally work, and they are correct: out of over 100 years of skyscraper history, none other than those 3 have fallen due to a plane hit or a few hours of fire!
But I guess all the independent investigators, news agencies and MIT were ALL in the conspiracy too? A conspiracy so large and vast, yet not a single person has come clean yet.....
The liberal Media and Democrats would have liked nothing better than to hang a 9/11 conspiracy on the Bush administration if there was any there there.
So here we are 20+ years later and only Islamists and Russian/Chinese boosters are pushing this tired old bullshit still trying to confuse and divide our country.
How many people in the Scamdemic/Toxxine-jab operation have come clean? So far we still only have conspiracy facts to go on, and being suppressed just like 9-11 (and to a lesser degree Pearl Harbor). Plenty independent investigators have been exposing the scams, but you are here to defend the narrative promoted by the actual conspirators. News agencies are obviously controlled ever since (if not before) Operation Mockingbird (yes, even Watergate was a conspiracy to get rid of Nixon, not intrepid reporters exposing scandal). What about MIT? There can be paid shills there too: money meeting the less successful compared to their own peers at the Institute. Aren't Caroline Ellison's parents professors there? Weren't SBF and Elizabeth Holmes at Stanford? What about the Harvard idiots who recently signed on pro-Hamas declarations without reading them?
The most telling sign showing the impossibility of the official narrative about the fall of the 3 WTC buildings is the fact that investors did not stop building skyscrapers after 9-11, but kept building and building many more all over the world! If the skyscrapers were that easy to be brought down (a plane hit or a few hours of fire), who would continue building such death traps? Who would continue insuring such buildings? The smart money obviously believe each of the 3 skyscrapers falling that day (in their official narrative description) was not representative of how physics would normally work, and they are correct: out of over 100 years of skyscraper history, none other than those 3 have fallen due to a plane hit or a few hours of fire!
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GreaterNYCDude
2023 Oct 17, 11:08am
News reports are that Israel struck a hospital in Gaza killing 500. Escalation of the conflict is almost a certainty.
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socal2
2023 Oct 17, 12:38pm
Reality says
EXACTLY!
So why bother with this absolutely retarded (and highly risky) notion of wiring a building to implode if they already had Jihadis flying commercial airliners into them? Was there supposed to be another jet to crash into WTC 7 too? If not, why wire that building?
Even if the buildings didn't totally collapse, the death toll and outrage would have been enough to galvanize the US public to support toppling Al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan.
Did you not see the video a few days of how the Hamas administrative building was brought down? That was a medium sized building, took only seconds by a few missile strikes into the weight-bearing columns.
EXACTLY!
So why bother with this absolutely retarded (and highly risky) notion of wiring a building to implode if they already had Jihadis flying commercial airliners into them? Was there supposed to be another jet to crash into WTC 7 too? If not, why wire that building?
Even if the buildings didn't totally collapse, the death toll and outrage would have been enough to galvanize the US public to support toppling Al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan.
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fdhfoiehfeoi
2023 Oct 17, 12:38pm
fdhfoiehfeoi
2023 Oct 17, 12:38pm
Patrick says
Putin is a member of the WEF. It's us against them. Just because them has infighting and factions, doesn't change them's goal. Our enslavement is the end game them is always playing. And in NK and China they're a lot fucking closer than they are in the US.
The WEF and similar elites hate Russia, Iran, N. Korean not because they are evil, but because they are impediments to despotic, totalitarian One World Government.
Putin is a member of the WEF. It's us against them. Just because them has infighting and factions, doesn't change them's goal. Our enslavement is the end game them is always playing. And in NK and China they're a lot fucking closer than they are in the US.
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AmericanKulak
2023 Oct 17, 12:58pm
AmericanKulak
2023 Oct 17, 12:58pm
socal2 says
Nope. Not being a dick either.
Sometimes the synapses don't fire in tandem, I guess.
If they could wire 3 big buildings, which would take scores of people several days having to go into offices in use and inconvenience floor after floor of multi-milliondollar lease payers with knocking out walls to get at the core, pissing them off as they were trying to time big money trades or making big deals on the phone but nobody noticed or complained or spoke to the media...
"Mr. Rodriguez, I intend to buy the entire crop if you could ..."
WHACK WHACK WHACK
"Excuse me, Jorge. WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU GUYS DOING IN MY OFFICE?!"
"Uh, just some infrastructure, uh replacement"
"GET THE F--- OUT!"
"We're here because the Super---"
"FUCK HIM I DIDNT GET A NOTICE. Linda, get these guys outta here, call security. Tell them I wanna talk to the Building Super and get an explanation as to why there's repair work WITHOUT ANY FUCKING NOTICE."
""Sir, it's vital that..."
"I'M ABOUT TO MAKE $150k IN COMMISSION. YOU KNOW HOW EXPENSIVE IT IS TO SUPPORT MY EXWIVES? SO GTFO!!"
Think of the 100s of floors and offices around the Core and how impossible it is this convo didn't happen at least once.
"Oh but it was at night"
You think all those offices were empty at night and Trades don't happen in Tokyo or London at night EST? When do you think the cleaning crews come in? They run the vacuum at 3PM on a monday, or 3AM? Nobody saw nothing, though.
they could certainly get a truck or two and dump convincing (if not actually functional) shells and bombs banned by the 1993 Chem War Treaty in some old bunker or disued Iraqi Army building basement in 2004 after occupation. "We found the WMDs!"
Really - you never thought of that?
Nope. Not being a dick either.
Sometimes the synapses don't fire in tandem, I guess.
If they could wire 3 big buildings, which would take scores of people several days having to go into offices in use and inconvenience floor after floor of multi-milliondollar lease payers with knocking out walls to get at the core, pissing them off as they were trying to time big money trades or making big deals on the phone but nobody noticed or complained or spoke to the media...
"Mr. Rodriguez, I intend to buy the entire crop if you could ..."
WHACK WHACK WHACK
"Excuse me, Jorge. WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU GUYS DOING IN MY OFFICE?!"
"Uh, just some infrastructure, uh replacement"
"GET THE F--- OUT!"
"We're here because the Super---"
"FUCK HIM I DIDNT GET A NOTICE. Linda, get these guys outta here, call security. Tell them I wanna talk to the Building Super and get an explanation as to why there's repair work WITHOUT ANY FUCKING NOTICE."
""Sir, it's vital that..."
"I'M ABOUT TO MAKE $150k IN COMMISSION. YOU KNOW HOW EXPENSIVE IT IS TO SUPPORT MY EXWIVES? SO GTFO!!"
Think of the 100s of floors and offices around the Core and how impossible it is this convo didn't happen at least once.
"Oh but it was at night"
You think all those offices were empty at night and Trades don't happen in Tokyo or London at night EST? When do you think the cleaning crews come in? They run the vacuum at 3PM on a monday, or 3AM? Nobody saw nothing, though.
they could certainly get a truck or two and dump convincing (if not actually functional) shells and bombs banned by the 1993 Chem War Treaty in some old bunker or disued Iraqi Army building basement in 2004 after occupation. "We found the WMDs!"
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AmericanKulak
2023 Oct 17, 1:14pm
AmericanKulak
2023 Oct 17, 1:14pm
Patrick says
Just one, the left was a response to the right, and he's not a "Dual Citizen", he's a US born Christian disabled Veteran with artifical legs from his US military service. Wearing a gifted IDF uniform once is not the same as having a Terror Flag flying outside your office year after year.
Just one, the left was a response to the right, and he's not a "Dual Citizen", he's a US born Christian disabled Veteran with artifical legs from his US military service. Wearing a gifted IDF uniform once is not the same as having a Terror Flag flying outside your office year after year.
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AmericanKulak
2023 Oct 17, 1:16pm
AmericanKulak
2023 Oct 17, 1:16pm
GreaterNYCDude says
Those News Reports are entirely based on Hamas. Remember that Hamas IS the government of Gaza, so the Gaza Health Ministry is run by Hamas.
Hamas fires rockets from the grounds of schools and hospitals - even the Pali-Simp @UNRWA admits this - and they store munitions in them too, which could easily be set off.
AP reporters were infamously whinging about being "Knocked" out of an office they denied the knew was being shared with Hamas, though it was for years. Also, those reporters reporting from Gaza are mostly Palestinian.
News reports are that Israel struck a hospital in Gaza killing 500. Escalation of the conflict is almost a certainty.
Those News Reports are entirely based on Hamas. Remember that Hamas IS the government of Gaza, so the Gaza Health Ministry is run by Hamas.
Hamas fires rockets from the grounds of schools and hospitals - even the Pali-Simp @UNRWA admits this - and they store munitions in them too, which could easily be set off.
AP reporters were infamously whinging about being "Knocked" out of an office they denied the knew was being shared with Hamas, though it was for years. Also, those reporters reporting from Gaza are mostly Palestinian.
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Reality
2023 Oct 17, 1:44pm
socal2 says
Missiles hitting the Hamas administrative building had explosive war heads, whereas jet liners don't carry explosives onboard (and can't be fused properly even if it did have explosives onboard, as there hasn't been systematic testing of Boeing 737/767 as projectile weapons). The missiles hitting the Hamas administrative building delivered explosive warheads into spots near the foundation of the building, the delayed fuse explosion from the war heads broke the support columns and brought down the building. The jetliners had no explosives onboard, and hit high up on the building. The fire in WTC7 was near the roof of the building on one corner; the collapse made no sense whatsoever unless explosives much lower in the building broke the support. WTC7 had to be brought down likely due to its holding a lot of paper records that the cabal wanted to destroy. WTC1 and WTC2 had to be brought down entirely because total collapse would make it easy to cordon off the site and ship off the debris removing all forensic evidence, whereas if they had stood in place missing only the tops would prevent the removal of forensic evidence while attracting tons of people during subsequent slow demolition. Besides, before it was done, there was no guarantee the planes would even hit the building (it's not an easy task for a plane flying at 500+mph to hit what looked like two thin sticks from long distance), the owner wanted to collect double insurance pay-out (without having to have many insurance assessors combing through the buildings if they stood after the hit) while avoiding having to pay the extraordinary cost of asbestos removal in such a huge building. Many members of the cabal and operatives also likely had to be paid off from some of the money to keep their mouths shut. So explosives were rigged into the critical support structures to ensure buildings complete destruction; as we saw from the missile strike video, it doesn't take many explosive hits to critical support columns in the building to bring down a building, so rigging it up wouldn't take long especially when the operation is not concerned with avoiding all human casualty.
Reality says
Did you not see the video a few days of how the Hamas administrative building was brought down? That was a medium sized building, took only seconds by a few missile strikes into the weight-bearing columns.
EXACTLY!
So why bother with this absolutely retarded (and highly risky) notion of wiring a building to implode if they already had Jihadis flying commercial airliners into them? Was there supposed to be another jet to crash into WTC 7 too? If not, why wire that building?
Even if the buildings didn't totally collapse, the death toll and outrage would have been enough to galvanize the US public to support toppling Al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan.
Missiles hitting the Hamas administrative building had explosive war heads, whereas jet liners don't carry explosives onboard (and can't be fused properly even if it did have explosives onboard, as there hasn't been systematic testing of Boeing 737/767 as projectile weapons). The missiles hitting the Hamas administrative building delivered explosive warheads into spots near the foundation of the building, the delayed fuse explosion from the war heads broke the support columns and brought down the building. The jetliners had no explosives onboard, and hit high up on the building. The fire in WTC7 was near the roof of the building on one corner; the collapse made no sense whatsoever unless explosives much lower in the building broke the support. WTC7 had to be brought down likely due to its holding a lot of paper records that the cabal wanted to destroy. WTC1 and WTC2 had to be brought down entirely because total collapse would make it easy to cordon off the site and ship off the debris removing all forensic evidence, whereas if they had stood in place missing only the tops would prevent the removal of forensic evidence while attracting tons of people during subsequent slow demolition. Besides, before it was done, there was no guarantee the planes would even hit the building (it's not an easy task for a plane flying at 500+mph to hit what looked like two thin sticks from long distance), the owner wanted to collect double insurance pay-out (without having to have many insurance assessors combing through the buildings if they stood after the hit) while avoiding having to pay the extraordinary cost of asbestos removal in such a huge building. Many members of the cabal and operatives also likely had to be paid off from some of the money to keep their mouths shut. So explosives were rigged into the critical support structures to ensure buildings complete destruction; as we saw from the missile strike video, it doesn't take many explosive hits to critical support columns in the building to bring down a building, so rigging it up wouldn't take long especially when the operation is not concerned with avoiding all human casualty.
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AD
2023 Oct 17, 1:59pm
AD
2023 Oct 17, 1:59pm
AmericanKulak says
terrorism employs a "by any means necessary" strategy
and they target the easy targets as far as spreading fear and chaos like the liberal and unarmed kibbutz and not the armed orthodox settlements ... you rarely see a bully trying to bully a bully ....
Hamas fires rockets from the grounds of schools and hospitals - even the Pali-Simp UNRWA admits this - and they store munitions in them too, which could easily be set off.
terrorism employs a "by any means necessary" strategy
and they target the easy targets as far as spreading fear and chaos like the liberal and unarmed kibbutz and not the armed orthodox settlements ... you rarely see a bully trying to bully a bully ....
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Onvacation
2023 Oct 17, 4:42pm
Onvacation
2023 Oct 17, 4:42pm
socal2 says
Is that less believable than, "WTC7 fell from office fires" ?
Do you really believe that office fires caused a 47 story skyscraper to fall?
The official story is that fire caused ALL THREE WTC towers to collapse.
It takes over 6 months with an army of engineers to rig a medium to small size tower. Imagine how much longer it would take to SECRETLY rig the biggest buildings in the world?
Is that less believable than, "WTC7 fell from office fires" ?
Do you really believe that office fires caused a 47 story skyscraper to fall?
"Our working hypothesis now actually suggests that it was normal building fires that were growing and spreading throughout the multiple floors that may have caused the ultimate collapse of the buildings."
Dr Shyam Sunder, the National Institute of Standards and Technology's lead investigator.
The official story is that fire caused ALL THREE WTC towers to collapse.
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Onvacation
2023 Oct 17, 4:44pm
Onvacation
2023 Oct 17, 4:44pm
socal2 says
Yep! And ignorant apathetic people that believe their conspiracy theories.
Our government is filled with far too many stupid and incompetent people,
Yep! And ignorant apathetic people that believe their conspiracy theories.
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Onvacation
2023 Oct 17, 4:53pm
Onvacation
2023 Oct 17, 4:53pm
socal2 says
Didn't a plane crash in Shanksville? Maybe that was the one targeted for WTC7.
The planes alone could not destroy the buildings so they used the planes as an excuse.
Only the ignorant, or government shills, believe two planes brought down three massive steel framed towers. Are you one of those?
Was there supposed to be another jet to crash into WTC 7 too? If not, why wire that building?
Didn't a plane crash in Shanksville? Maybe that was the one targeted for WTC7.
The planes alone could not destroy the buildings so they used the planes as an excuse.
Only the ignorant, or government shills, believe two planes brought down three massive steel framed towers. Are you one of those?
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socal2
2023 Oct 17, 5:01pm
Onvacation says
Yes - uncontrolled blazing infernos can weaken steel despite what Rosie O'Donnell says.
I am sure the two big fucking holes punched THROUGH the buildings didn't help structural stability either. But it was the uncontrolled fire that did it in.
The official story is that fire caused ALL THREE WTC towers to collapse.
Yes - uncontrolled blazing infernos can weaken steel despite what Rosie O'Donnell says.
I am sure the two big fucking holes punched THROUGH the buildings didn't help structural stability either. But it was the uncontrolled fire that did it in.
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socal2
2023 Oct 17, 5:06pm
Onvacation says
FFS - who the fuck knows or cared about WTC7 back then? Why not the Empire State building?
Flight 93 was clearly heading to DC.
Didn't a plane crash in Shanksville? Maybe that was the one targeted for WTC7.
FFS - who the fuck knows or cared about WTC7 back then? Why not the Empire State building?
Flight 93 was clearly heading to DC.
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Ceffer
2023 Oct 17, 6:31pm
Ceffer
2023 Oct 17, 6:31pm
I am surprised there is so much support for Gaza. I never would have expected that.
Maybe having 99 percent of the Western World MSM propaganda press entirely locked up and blowing like a hurricane in a single direction isn't all it's cracked up to be.
Maybe having 99 percent of the Western World MSM propaganda press entirely locked up and blowing like a hurricane in a single direction isn't all it's cracked up to be.
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richwicks
2023 Oct 17, 6:52pm
richwicks
2023 Oct 17, 6:52pm
Ceffer says
NOT anymore.
Taken long enough.
Maybe having 99 percent of the Western World MSM propaganda press entirely locked up and blowing like a hurricane in a single direction isn't all it's cracked up to be.
NOT anymore.
Taken long enough.
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socal2
2023 Oct 17, 7:37pm
Ceffer says
Yeah - lots of BLM, Antifa, Islamists, LGBTQ, Feminist, Eurotrash, Jew haters and Commies are down with the struggle.
Normal American people not so much.
Anecdotal only, but many of my reliably Liberal and Palestinian sympathetic friends are basically done with the Palestinians after the Hamas attack.
I am surprised there is so much support for Gaza. I never would have expected that.
Yeah - lots of BLM, Antifa, Islamists, LGBTQ, Feminist, Eurotrash, Jew haters and Commies are down with the struggle.
Normal American people not so much.
Anecdotal only, but many of my reliably Liberal and Palestinian sympathetic friends are basically done with the Palestinians after the Hamas attack.
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richwicks
2023 Oct 17, 9:35pm
richwicks
2023 Oct 17, 9:35pm
socal2 says
Normal American people think we just went through a pandemic. Normal American people can't name the last 7 nations the US has bombed. Normal American people don't even know that more children and adults are dead in missing in Maui than there were in Israel.
socal2 says
They "think" what the television tells them to think.
Please recall how dishonest our media is. You have no idea what is going on. I wouldn't be surprised if more than 100,000 people are killed in this. Normal Americans will cheer this on, and years later, will recognize "well, I was fucking genocidal maniac wasn't I? Oh well.. What's on TV?"
Normal American people not so much.
Normal American people think we just went through a pandemic. Normal American people can't name the last 7 nations the US has bombed. Normal American people don't even know that more children and adults are dead in missing in Maui than there were in Israel.
socal2 says
Anecdotal only, but many of my reliably Liberal and Palestinian sympathetic friends are basically done with the Palestinians after the Hamas attack.
They "think" what the television tells them to think.
Please recall how dishonest our media is. You have no idea what is going on. I wouldn't be surprised if more than 100,000 people are killed in this. Normal Americans will cheer this on, and years later, will recognize "well, I was fucking genocidal maniac wasn't I? Oh well.. What's on TV?"
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richwicks
2023 Oct 17, 10:16pm
richwicks
2023 Oct 17, 10:16pm
ad says
No, it's evil.
We never really rescued dogs, we picked who lived. When somebody is making more of them, it's undermining our ability to save another animal.
I gave it up, it's hopeless. People are too shit.
richwicks says
I used to do dog rescue, I encountered a woman breeding dogs and using the rescue group to sell them.
Its greedy and immoral, but not very evil if the dogs are not mistreated and eventually end up in better circumstances..
No, it's evil.
We never really rescued dogs, we picked who lived. When somebody is making more of them, it's undermining our ability to save another animal.
I gave it up, it's hopeless. People are too shit.
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AmericanKulak
2023 Oct 17, 10:34pm
AmericanKulak
2023 Oct 17, 10:34pm
Onvacation says
But they couldn't fabricate a half dozen 130mm Shells or 500lb bombs with banned chemicals and some symbols and Iraqi Army scribbles, put 'em on truck, bury them somewhere anything associated with Saddam's Government, and then find them a few days later when the US was all over Iraq for years. Handful of guys, tops. They wouldn't even have to know what they moved if they don't read Arabic.
The official story is that fire caused ALL THREE WTC towers to collapse.
But they couldn't fabricate a half dozen 130mm Shells or 500lb bombs with banned chemicals and some symbols and Iraqi Army scribbles, put 'em on truck, bury them somewhere anything associated with Saddam's Government, and then find them a few days later when the US was all over Iraq for years. Handful of guys, tops. They wouldn't even have to know what they moved if they don't read Arabic.
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Onvacation
2023 Oct 18, 5:15am
Onvacation
2023 Oct 18, 5:15am
socal2 says
That's the story the government wants us to believe. Do you believe fire made all three WTC towers fall?
But it was the uncontrolled fire that did it in.
That's the story the government wants us to believe. Do you believe fire made all three WTC towers fall?
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DOGEWontAmountToShit
2023 Oct 18, 11:14pm
DOGEWontAmountToShit
2023 Oct 18, 11:14pm
AmericanKulak says
That movie is a total classic now.
No Matter How You Slice It
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vESxCZe0HA
That movie is a total classic now.
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stfu
2023 Oct 19, 5:29am
Onvacation says
TL:DR > Yes the towers could have collapsed from the planes compromising the integrity of the outer walls and subsequent wind fueled fire.
I've long believed that all 3 buildings were taken down via explosives until recently I saw a 9/11 documentary series (netflix or prime, I don't remember) with a LOT of actual video footage - a camera was following around one of the firemen battalion chiefs that day as part of a documentary and they captured a LOT of footage - he was actually site commander for a little while because he was in the area (gas leak reported) when it happened. There's also a lot of footage from the ground which I had never seen before from other sources.
Anyway - things that I was not aware of before watching this :
1) The towers were not constructed the way most high rises are. There were no internal structural support members. The entire support structure was in the outer walls. The walls were the only load bearing structures in either of the two towers (and probably WTC7 as well). The reason for this was so that you could have an entire open floor and see from end to end, although I'm not sure how many floors actually were laid out that way. Once collapse started it was like a dropping deck of cards - each floor resulting in a loud BOOM (explosion). The firemen conversation about hearing 'loud explosions' refers to this collapse - it's been taken out of context by the conspiracy people.
2) In the initial plane crash, thousands of gallons of jet fuel went down an elevator shaft and resulted in an explosion and fire in the lobby level and these were some of the first deaths observed.
3) The scene pre and post tower collapse was apocalyptic. The fires were everywhere and were intense. More than just a corner of WTC7 was on fire - it looked like the whole damn building was one giant bonfire. I never really appreciated what a 'hell on earth' scenario it was until viewing this footage. I'm surprised the fires didn't spread to the rest of Manhattan. The video captures the firemen strategizing just outside the lobby (standing under a roof - maybe like a huge carport area?) and you can hear the bodies hitting the roof when people started jumping. The looks on the firemens' faces is telling - they know what's making those noises and choose not to discuss it (at least on camera). Picture yourself there - you can only see smoke or fire and the ground around you is littered with debris and bodies. Something out of Dante.
4) The firemen and rescue personnel didn't fully appreciate the danger they were in. I think if they had they would not have gone into the stairwells. People that made it out described (on camera) the wall/ ceiling cracks and popping that they observed on their way down. One woman comments that she believed the building was going to fall down at any moment. Initially it seems like the firemen were treating this like a typical high rise fire - going with protocol and displaying a bravado probably with the false belief that if they followed their training and were careful no bad things would happen to them. You can see the abrupt shift after the first tower collapsed. A lot of the professionals died that day. Suddenly there was panic among the professionals as they realized it truly was life or death. It's worth noting that there were a few stories of people who would simply not leave anyone behind (very few because compromised people don't move quickly). There was also at least one story of a person who put their own life ahead of anyone else - told by a survivor that was one of those 'one in a million' survival stories
5) We always hear about the 2,000+ that died that day but I've never seen a figure for how many people got evacuated in time. The documentary spends a lot of time interviewing people that made it out. Growing up we were always told that each tower could accommodate 50,000 people and I was always cynical that the buildings were at such a low % of capacity after 9am on a workday - but perhaps a lot more people were saved than I thought. It still doesn't jive though - where the towers were hit means that at least 15% of the occupants could not evacuate - so the death toll should have been 10,000+.
So, color me less cynical than I was before watching. I definitely believe this was a three letter operation (too many warnings were ignored and the passports? c'mon man) but I am less skeptical about the nature of the collapse. WTC7? The timing of the recent purchase and insurance certainly raises an eyebrow.
That's the story the government wants us to believe. Do you believe fire made all three WTC towers fall?
TL:DR > Yes the towers could have collapsed from the planes compromising the integrity of the outer walls and subsequent wind fueled fire.
I've long believed that all 3 buildings were taken down via explosives until recently I saw a 9/11 documentary series (netflix or prime, I don't remember) with a LOT of actual video footage - a camera was following around one of the firemen battalion chiefs that day as part of a documentary and they captured a LOT of footage - he was actually site commander for a little while because he was in the area (gas leak reported) when it happened. There's also a lot of footage from the ground which I had never seen before from other sources.
Anyway - things that I was not aware of before watching this :
1) The towers were not constructed the way most high rises are. There were no internal structural support members. The entire support structure was in the outer walls. The walls were the only load bearing structures in either of the two towers (and probably WTC7 as well). The reason for this was so that you could have an entire open floor and see from end to end, although I'm not sure how many floors actually were laid out that way. Once collapse started it was like a dropping deck of cards - each floor resulting in a loud BOOM (explosion). The firemen conversation about hearing 'loud explosions' refers to this collapse - it's been taken out of context by the conspiracy people.
2) In the initial plane crash, thousands of gallons of jet fuel went down an elevator shaft and resulted in an explosion and fire in the lobby level and these were some of the first deaths observed.
3) The scene pre and post tower collapse was apocalyptic. The fires were everywhere and were intense. More than just a corner of WTC7 was on fire - it looked like the whole damn building was one giant bonfire. I never really appreciated what a 'hell on earth' scenario it was until viewing this footage. I'm surprised the fires didn't spread to the rest of Manhattan. The video captures the firemen strategizing just outside the lobby (standing under a roof - maybe like a huge carport area?) and you can hear the bodies hitting the roof when people started jumping. The looks on the firemens' faces is telling - they know what's making those noises and choose not to discuss it (at least on camera). Picture yourself there - you can only see smoke or fire and the ground around you is littered with debris and bodies. Something out of Dante.
4) The firemen and rescue personnel didn't fully appreciate the danger they were in. I think if they had they would not have gone into the stairwells. People that made it out described (on camera) the wall/ ceiling cracks and popping that they observed on their way down. One woman comments that she believed the building was going to fall down at any moment. Initially it seems like the firemen were treating this like a typical high rise fire - going with protocol and displaying a bravado probably with the false belief that if they followed their training and were careful no bad things would happen to them. You can see the abrupt shift after the first tower collapsed. A lot of the professionals died that day. Suddenly there was panic among the professionals as they realized it truly was life or death. It's worth noting that there were a few stories of people who would simply not leave anyone behind (very few because compromised people don't move quickly). There was also at least one story of a person who put their own life ahead of anyone else - told by a survivor that was one of those 'one in a million' survival stories
5) We always hear about the 2,000+ that died that day but I've never seen a figure for how many people got evacuated in time. The documentary spends a lot of time interviewing people that made it out. Growing up we were always told that each tower could accommodate 50,000 people and I was always cynical that the buildings were at such a low % of capacity after 9am on a workday - but perhaps a lot more people were saved than I thought. It still doesn't jive though - where the towers were hit means that at least 15% of the occupants could not evacuate - so the death toll should have been 10,000+.
So, color me less cynical than I was before watching. I definitely believe this was a three letter operation (too many warnings were ignored and the passports? c'mon man) but I am less skeptical about the nature of the collapse. WTC7? The timing of the recent purchase and insurance certainly raises an eyebrow.
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Al_Sharpton_for_President
2023 Oct 19, 6:36am
Al_Sharpton_for_President
2023 Oct 19, 6:36am
This fellow thinks Syria is the target of the US military buildup. Regime change and kicking the Russkies out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S72-hjWHiz4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S72-hjWHiz4
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RayAmerica
2023 Oct 20, 6:01pm
RayAmerica
2023 Oct 20, 6:01pm
Is America really ready to fight a major war?
68% of US troops are overweight, including 21% who are obese ... why are we trying to get involved in World War 3 again? (They may be fat and out of shape, but hey, at least they're woke)
https://notthebee.com/article/68-percent-of-us-soldiers-are-overweight/
68% of US troops are overweight, including 21% who are obese ... why are we trying to get involved in World War 3 again? (They may be fat and out of shape, but hey, at least they're woke)
https://notthebee.com/article/68-percent-of-us-soldiers-are-overweight/
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AD
2023 Oct 20, 7:51pm
AD
2023 Oct 20, 7:51pm
RayAmerica says
not as many going to be 'fighting' in caves or trenches ...you think about a fighting force that is infantry and marching 20 miles in a day ... look at the "troops" in Afghanistan ...did they have more than 30,000 fighting troops such as infantry on the front line out of a military of about 2 million active duty ?
Is America really ready to fight a major war?
68% of US troops are overweight, including 21% who are obese ... why are we trying to get involved in World War 3 again? (They may be fat and out of shape, but hey, at least they're woke)
not as many going to be 'fighting' in caves or trenches ...you think about a fighting force that is infantry and marching 20 miles in a day ... look at the "troops" in Afghanistan ...did they have more than 30,000 fighting troops such as infantry on the front line out of a military of about 2 million active duty ?
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Ceffer
2023 Oct 20, 7:53pm
Ceffer
2023 Oct 20, 7:53pm
Hamas is in negotiations to pay Greta to start backing Israel instead of Gaza.
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AmericanKulak
2023 Oct 20, 9:48pm
AmericanKulak
2023 Oct 20, 9:48pm
If BLM, Antifa, University Radicals (Students AND Professors), The Left, Accomplishment-free Influencer Bitchute Bloviators, Iranian, Syrian, Russian Media, PMSNBC, most of the OpEds in NYT and WaPo, and now Greta on your side...
Maybe, just maybe, you're wrong.
Maybe, just maybe, you're wrong.
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AmericanKulak
2023 Oct 20, 9:51pm
AmericanKulak
2023 Oct 20, 9:51pm
BTW, notice the near total absence of activity from Fatah on the West Bank. It's almost as if they wouldn't mind either outcome, Hamas gone or Israeli defeat is equally beneficial to them.
But don't expect the great Wise Bitchuters to point that out, if they've thought about that for one second - their MintPress News/Globalresearch.ca sources didn't put that in their heads.
But don't expect the great Wise Bitchuters to point that out, if they've thought about that for one second - their MintPress News/Globalresearch.ca sources didn't put that in their heads.
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