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FYI, Claire has a solution to a problem if our potentially 'future child' runs for President of the USA.

Basically, her and I build an underground bunker in the Welsh countryside and hide out from the press/media, stocking 3 months of food at a time, and sending out couriers to do our food shopping.

This is how the segment on Fox & CNN will look ...

"Breaking News: Last known location of Rin Sr & Claire Sr"



This is Claire having some fun with the notion.

Rin says

So my expectation is that her nesting instincts will upgrade her to a more snazzy flat in Cardiff, along with a homestead in either Vale (that's the snazzy 'burb), a/o a more quiet cottage in the more rural countryside.

You don't know her nesting instinct at all dude. If you have a kid it's a different game. Not a knock on Patnet users that are active, but most don't seem to have kids. I wouldn't take child advice from them. If you ever conceive the woman changes is all I'll say.

Having a child is a complete game changer. If you go for it, don't just have one. Only child syndrome is a thing. You need a companion to grow up with besides your parents. The oldest becomes the babysitter and you get your free time back. So my advice is to shoot the good juice twice.

My wife basically raised her 4 sisters. My in laws are not the sharpest knives in the drawer, but as a child my wife did a fucking pretty good job and it taught her a lot. My older sister was a big influence on me. Only time I'll type this, but my parents sucked. Successful and didn't have a need, but they sucked. So did my wife's parents. Probably why we got along.

Do your thing in Europe/UK. Give a Wisconsin chick a chance if you ever have 2nd thoughts. Sneaky hot and wholesome. This is coming from a non-religious guy. They won't leave you if you have money and won't take it either. You sound like you have money, prenuptial all the way. I'm doing a postnuptial before we break ground on our house.

NEVER trust anyone. Create a tiered system. 1 being good, wife is the only one on that list. Have some good 2's, maybe 5-6 people. 3's I trust, but not really. 4-5's I'll be polite and hang out, but I legit don't trust you at all.

Wish you luck with the lady. I do think you need to get out of the Northeast which it seems like you're doing. Don't discount midwest women. You don't seem to be the stateside traveler. Something to think about.

In Britain, having a live-in governess/nannie is not entirely unheard of, especially if the couple has the means.

So it's not just a 'Sound of Music' or 'Mary Poppins' thing even though Julie Andrews seems to dominate those roles.

I wouldn't trust a nanny with my kids I guess. I worry about sleep overs. I don't stop it, but there are sick fucks out there. Even in laws will diddle kids.

Like I said, my trust circle is extremely small. I've witnessed my fair share of liars in my life.

You're arguing with the void in an advanced state of oxytocin intoxication. There is no control of the future, and reproduction is a side effect of behavior. You can't control the alien you create as much as you want and never will, it'll be a ride.

Gotta toss a Zen anchor more in the present rather than a fickle future. Planning is not necessarily a prequel to event.

I never heard of anybody who had learned everything before they had the kid. In fact, having the kid is a learning experience by fire and parents just adjust as they go along. I have heard in Britain you have to sign them up for certain schools when they are born, but not in USA.

Ceffer says

You can't control the alien you create

Now that brings back some classic Sci-Fi/horror movie tropes ...



Ceffer says

In fact, having the kid is a learning experience by fire and parents just adjust as they go along.

It's always good to plan ahead and be ready for any changes (a/o challenges) along the way.

Ceffer says

You're arguing with the void in an advanced state of oxytocin intoxication

Well, the drugged out state is slowly coming down and thus, I'm actually having a rational discussion about giving my potential kid a chance at being POTUS. I fully expect the political machine, either parties, to keep a un-corrupted person out of the White House. But still, no one can say that I didn't at least try to give the potential kid a shot.

All and all, the thought of having to hide during my golden years, thanks to the Paparazzi, isn't something that I'd look forward to.

WookieMan says

I've witnessed my fair share of liars in my life.

Same here.

If we go the route of a governess/nannie, Claire will definitely be on the hunt for Julie Andrews and not Mrs Doubtfire.

I bet Claire will hire a different nanny than a Rin nanny. She'll make them wear underwear and make sure they are exotically unattractive. A big hairy mole on the nose will do nicely, and goatskin perfume.

Ceffer says

I bet Claire will hire a different nanny than a Rin nanny. She'll make them wear underwear and make sure they are exotically unattractive. A big hairy mole on the nose will do nicely, and goatskin perfume.

I think what you're referring to ... was our Sex Slave Maid service, where Miho was giving Claire massages and performing cunnilingus on her. Yes, the governess/Julie Andrews is going to be a prude & will probably look a bit like Judy Dench.

Rin says

about giving my potential kid a chance at being POTUS.

I never had kids, but it seems they are pleasing and distracting pets up until about eight. When hormones hit, it seems they go from loving you to hating you and thinking their criminally inclined and heedless sociopathic peers are lifestyle geniuses.

As they get older, they can be an exotic and never ending curse, or they can blossom, self educate and turn into an excellent source of parental Narcissistic Supply, but nobody knows which polarity will turn out I gather. They also might conspire to murder you when you are in your cups so that they can squander your fortune.

There is also the mother child bond which means that if Mom decides you are old chattels and it is time to cash in on you, she can often indoctrinate the child against you, often with bizarre lies about things you may or may not have done. Momkins pup defensive urges, possessiveness and emotional hegemony urges apparently never bode well. Usually, you can depend on that eight years of so of reinforcement from the kiddies until being forced onto the brink of the disaster or bliss lottery in the longer run, all pivoting around the presumed continuing good relations with the mother.

Rin,

Your thought of giving the kid a chance at being POTUS was remarkably similar to the thoughts that went through my mind when I was getting married and then a few years later having the first child around two decades ago. The thoughts of being able to escape the entanglement and just put up money for the mother to raise the child in the worst case scenario are very similar to my understanding of the issue a little over a decade ago after my divorce.

Ceffer's message above at 2:47pm is very insightful; I don't know how he gained such insight without ever having kids. In my experience, the 8 years honey-moon period with kid can be extended to perhaps 12yo or even 16yo. Before having kids, I thought corporal punishment would be inevitable; then seeing that the 10 month old was able to follow calm rational instructions, I realized corporal punishment would be quite unnecessary. So my daughter always treated me as the source of rational advice for the first 16 years of her life (her mom and I were divorced when she was 4yo; physical custody went to mom by default in the US at that time). However, somewhere between 12-18yo, adolescence brought her close to her mom. There was a time when she was around 14, she wanted to move out of mom's house to live with me due to her contention that Mom was emotionally unstable and getting angry too often. I regret very much I did not take up the offer, at the time happening to be in the middle of the Covid chaos and the ex-wife would have to keep receiving full child support (more than her own full time job income after tax) despite transfer of physical custody to me, and the daughter would have to make new friends in a different school district (both districts were among the top in the country) in the middle of lockdowns. I should have taken the custody transfer despite all the potential problems. Within a few years, it got to the point where the ex-wife would embezzle the money I sent for the daughter's SAT training courses, to spend on their summer trip to Europe (which I also subsidized but in a separate trounche of money), and was completely hidden from me until it was too late to correct the problem. The daughter eventually did get into one of the top-30 or top-20 colleges/universities in the US, but could probably have gotten her into one of the Ivy+2 / top-10 if I had taken over custody 3.5 years earlier. More importantly, I have been detecting manipulativeness and lack of transparency in her behavior and conveying of important information necessary for critical decision advice. Maternal influence during 12-18yo makes the kid narcissistic. Obviously, if a kid is not successful (whatever the template of success in her own eyes; i.e. narcissistic tendencies can be very bad), it can be a real problem for a wealthy parent (whose death would benefit an unsuccessful offspring) who doesn't have numerous kids to check-and-balance the failures. This is not meant as criticism for my ex-wife, whom I think is about as good as a wife/ex-wife/woman can be in raising child; at least she didn't have to be convinced jabbing the child would be bad.

Jokes about governess aside, hiring full-time someone with a master's degree in early childhood education can be quite helpful in the first couple years for new parents. The qualify of care is quite a cut above the run-of-the-mill nannies etc.. The key is, you the dad have to take physical custody after 8-12 as adolescence starts to arrive. Maternal contribution is indispensable during pregnancy, highly advantageous during nursing years, but after that the rational and stable influence of a high quality father is far more important. For that reason, Rin, you should push for having full custody after birth if there is to be any children (giving her visitation rights and financial benefits) while you are still in a position to negotiate.

There is something about paternal influence - what it probably comes down to is accountability. The maternal influence is the opposite in most cases. All this is in the context of teen/highschool.

Exactly! Stereotomy. Maternal influence during kids' teen years seems to be a constant game of how to get away with things; i.e. as bad as teenage peers who are party animals. The key reason is likely due to women being more concerned with how popular herself is with the kids at the moment than how the kids will turn out in the distant future. The combination of short-sightedness and obsession with current opinions of others make most women unsuitable to be the primary care-giver to children during the latters' teen years.

Reality says

I don't know how he gained such insight without ever having kids

Maybe just a lucky guess.

It is posited by some behavior observers that the positive polarity of filial love often turns to a negative polarity when hormones hit and the pups ignore the acquired wisdom of parents, rebel and rely instead on the whatever current daft fashions of their peer groups. The peers become their trusted advisors and references while the parents are relegated to dumb hump status.

Some think this is to inspire genetic diversity. However, the mom unit often will continue through insecurity to emotionally or financially blackmail the pups. Parents blackmailing children with money and even paid for homes is pretty common around my hood, or the phenom of parents uprooting to move to wherever their chilluns have chosen to go, following their genetic investments as servants and annoying hang around appendages. Sometimes these kids like the money and help, but don't really like the needy parents always hanging around.

This is a generalization, of course, and many families have lots of variations from the 'turn them out at 6 with their own beer and cigarettes' to torturing them into psychopathic compliance with family and world dominating goals.

I think the intersection of polarity reversal to peer immersion means that the best thing to do for kids at that point is to give them a healthy and rational peer group with stealth guidance from supposedly healthy and rational adults. Mom is always a kind of wild card.

It's well observed that girls are easy in the beginning. They hardly ever need a spanking, they usually potty train very fast and can sit calmly and color or read. Anyone who had boys without ever stronger strongarming, whooping or otherwise restraining them didn't actually have boys, or they are extremely feminine. When they're young they are so much work, but as soon as they get into reasoning age, as young as 4 or 5, but for sure by age 7 or 8, they are a delight and much much easier than girls once approaching puberty. It totally depends on whether you're having a boy or a girl wrt what the sweet years are. Fatherhood is more important than ever today, in fact a single Dad will most of the times do better for their kid than a single mom. Do not parent boys and girls the same, as they surely aren't

Ok, Claire and I have been having some fun, building a mock resume of Claire Jr's future aspirations at the oval office.

Here goes ...

Claire Jr

Born: Norfolk VA USA

Raised: Ynys Môn Wales UK (that's a part of the rural countryside)

Education: BA English, University of London, Upper Half 2nd class honors

Business Career: Managing Director at Claire's Capital Management, providing services to the Wounded Warriors network for disabled American veterans.

Political Career: Mayor of Accomac VA USA, assisted with FEMA during hurricanes around the Delmarva peninsular region. Balanced budgets and introduced new infrastructure bill to legislature. (Picked a random town on the peninsula)

So from here, there's a two prong approach to the Presidency. The first is to try for the gubernatorial process in VA but that's kinda old school. Nowadays, it's best just to tout one's business acumen and ability to public speak, build an internet platform, and go directly for the White House.

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And there you have it. It's not too ostentatious for a person but does involve having some financial resources to be able to work the fund raiser side for Wounded Warriors which is where Claire and I can help.

I also don't believe that every newcomer can pull off a Donald Trump with no political experience, as a lot of loud mouths, see Mark Cuban, are not really electable as it takes some ability to talk with other politicians and constituency members w/o being an authoritarian CEO type. Even a job, as a mayor of a small-to-mid size town, gives one that experience and ability.

And if she doesn't want to get into politics, that's also fine, as it would make our lives a lot more private during our golden years.

Doesn't stand a chance. I don't think he's gonna fly with the Chatham House, the RIIA, the Club of Rome, the banksters or the Jesuits without some draco blood in his veins. Is Claire a draco blood shape shifter? If she is, all systems are go.

I have to agree - if you're not part of the hidden oligarchy, you don't get to play. If Claire has these connections, then, yes, assuming globohomo still operates, that there's a chance.

Ok, if Claire & I do have a child in Uncle Sam, it most definitely won't be in the New England region, as it's a lot colder than Wales & I wouldn't subject Claire to the winter torture chamber. This prior week's subfreezing days, ala taste of January/February, were more than enough for her. Aside from watching movies like 'Fargo', she can't believe that ppl actually live in the Dakotas and Minnesota.

So yeah, we'll be exploring the Norfolk VA to Delmarva peninsular region, as our USA sojourn, if Claire and I have a child together. The temperature is a lot more manageable during the winter time and plus, there are quaint towns like Cape Charles on the peninsula to get away from the busyness of the mainland.

Rin says

So yeah, we'll be exploring the Norfolk VA to Delmarva peninsular region, as our USA sojourn, if Claire and I have a child together. The temperature is a lot more manageable during the winter time and plus, there are quaint towns like Cape Charles on the peninsula to get away from the busyness of the mainland.

WY, MT or Northern AZ (Flagstaff region or Sedona). They get snow in all three, but not as brutal as you'd think. Not sure the travel history, but as a Brit she'd probably like it. Dry cold in the winter, so women lotion up daily and it keeps them looking younger longer.

I'd get land if you don't have to go into an office. My 2¢. Your choice. It's gotten more expensive over my lifetime but you can get land in a cool spot with a small town/city nearby (20-50k people) for cheaper than the northeast. Think Jackson, WY; Bozeman, MT and Flagstaff/Sedona, AZ. All have airports, a touch more pricier than major cities flying wise, but you can still get to where you want.

Even for IL, I regret not moving to the country earlier. Still in a small town, but we have friends with acreage and can goof off there.

Scottsdale, AZ is another if you get into Desert Mountain subdivision. Higher elevation so doesn't get quite as hot. No snow (generally) and beautiful homes. Expensive AF, but you're near a major metro. View from inside my uncle's house. That's winter.

WookieMan says

WY, MT or Northern AZ (Flagstaff region or Sedona).

WookieMan says

Scottsdale, AZ is another

These are all interesting locations, however, it would like going off alone into the expanse with no acquaintances/friends in the region. And while I don't mind starting over, I don't plan on spending the rest of my life in the expanse.

One of the reasons why I chose the VA shore is that it isn't the northeast corridor. It's 3 hours from DC (w/ Boston as the other end of the NE cities, 12 hrs away by car) and pretty much borders the South w/ North Carolina nearby.

I know ppl in Norfolk, Richmond, eastern Maryland, Delaware, etc and all those areas are within reasonable driving distances. Some of them, started in the NE corridor and drifted there over the years for the Navy, easier lifestyle, access to natural settings, etc, while being somewhat of a stone's throw from the major civilizations of the North. And once you across the Chesapeake Bay into the peninsular region, the population density drops like a rock and it's almost like being in rural America but with the ocean nearby.

WookieMan says

View from inside my uncle's house. That's winter.

I know that house! How long has he had it? I saw a bunch of bikini model strippers playing around in that pool on the man channel before that channel was banned from roku.

Rin says

So yeah, we'll be exploring the Norfolk VA to Delmarva peninsular region

I know that area well, and it is a definite "salt life" vibe. If Claire loved the Misty horse books when she was a little girl, point out that Chincoteague is in that vicinity.

Rin says

I know ppl in Norfolk, Richmond, eastern Maryland, Delaware, etc and all those areas are within reasonable driving distances. Some of them, started in the NE corridor and drifted there over the years for the Navy, easier lifestyle, access to natural settings, etc, while being somewhat of a stone's throw from the major civilizations of the North. And once you across the Chesapeake Bay into the peninsular region, the population density drops like a rock and it's almost like being in rural America but with the ocean nearby.

You do you. I just can't stand the northeast. I can't stand people for the most part outside of a couple dozen tight friends. I could restart anywhere. I have friends, new friends in Montana from CA that I jam with and I only visit there. I'm an introvert but with an extrovert wife I find my friends pretty easily anywhere.

I have probably 2-3k people that know me. I just don't want to know them. I got my golf trip buddies. Snowboard/ski buddies. Ping pong. Concerts. Bandmates. Those guys are my crew even if they live 1,200 miles away. I could fly domestically every week for 6 months solo. Anchored in IL, but location really doesn't matter. Again to each their own, not judging, I just despise the NE which was my bitching point. Nothing on you.

Maga_Chaos_Monkey says

WookieMan says

View from inside my uncle's house. That's winter.

I know that house! How long has he had it? I saw a bunch of bikini model strippers playing around in that pool on the man channel before that channel was banned from roku.

Man channel was cancelled before the house was built. Fake religious, but no chance in hell anything like strippers being at that house happening with my uncle and aunt. Their oldest had a dry wedding, no booze. Top 3 worst event I've ever been to.

It would be a good party pad, but that's not my uncle. My side of he family is weirdly loyal to family, yet not close. You'd really have to fuck up to get booted from the inner circle. I made really bad comments about my uncle, but he'd still have me visit if I asked.

He's got billionaire neighbors. It's a gated community where that shit doesn't go down. Parties aren't a thing. You get booted if you do that. Lots of Karens.

HeadSet says

If Claire loved the Misty horse books when she was a little girl, point out that Chincoteague is in that vicinity.

What's interesting to note is that the arrival of ponies/horses on Chincoteague Island and adjacent, Assateague Island, pre-date the arrival of the Pilgrims on Plymouth Rock.

In other words, a crashed Spanish vessel brought the first domesticated animals (to later become feral, once abandoned by their owners for a couple of generations), from Europe to the USA, before the British had their chance to settle the nearby James river on the mainland.