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EBGuy says

Well, this will be interesting. Per press release, Walmart will be testing BrightDrop vans in several dense urban areas AND northwest Arkansas. Per the google:
Northwest Arkansas has a significantly lower population density compared to Austin, Texas. Northwest Arkansas has a population density of 174 people per square mile, while Austin has a density of 3,006.36 people per square mile. So I guess we'll be getting our test case...

Give it a shot, but I'm not seeing it if you do the math. We had routes that were 100 miles a day for ONE zip code. UPS, Fedex and those similar do multiple towns and zip codes in a day with sometimes 10 miles between towns. And usually the distribution warehouse is 20-30 miles from the first stop in rural areas.

As I've said in many threads, I have no issue with EV's. I just think the expectations for them are over inflated on realistic situations. I get regenerative braking, but you burn a ton of battery accelerating every 10th house to drop a package.

Basically I don't see rural delivery being realistic. Even Northern cities it's probable not realistic in the winter months. I don't think carriers delivering in cold weather or rural are willing to take a risk on probably a $100k investment per vehicle. I wouldn't want to own shares in the company.

Also the taxes are coming on these shipping companies for EV's. They're way heavier empty and now throw in the cargo. EV's have to start paying in to maintain the roads. Not an opinion, it's fact.

Tesla seems to be working out well for a local police force in Indiana.

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"NEWS: Five years after debuting Indiana's first @Tesla police car, the Bargersville Police Department says it has saved them nearly $500,000 in maintenance and repairs.

Police chief Bertram said nothing has changed the department's commitment to their Teslas: "I couldn't even begin to say how much money the department has saved. Since 2020, I'd say we've been saving about $70,000-$80,000 a year from having our vehicles, and the more cars we get, the more savings too."

The department, which has 16 officers, started with one Tesla in 2019 and has since added another dozen.

Bertram remembers getting a monthly gas bill in June 2024 that was more than $3,100 for four Ford gas cars. That same month, he said, it cost $300 to charge all 13 electric vehicles.

The police chief also said they've never had to replace any brakes on the Teslas. That repair on gas cars can run between $1,200 and $1,500. He said the department hasn't experienced any issues or concerns with the electric cars except one that needed a battery pack changed."
https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1911898087175434627

socal2 says

That repair on gas cars can run between $1,200 and $1,500.

Where in the flying fuck were they getting brakes done? It's a 1 hour job max and $150 in parts. It's a $300 job worst case.

socal2 says

the Bargersville Police Department says it has saved them nearly $500,000 in maintenance and repairs.

No chance these numbers are right. They aren't paying MFT on the chargers. That is coming to an end. No one has even heard of this town and 13 EV's for 16 officers that aren't all on duty at the same time? I'm calling bull shit on this one.

3 shifts, you'd maybe need 6 EV's max with 4 officers on duty. 3 cars charging, 3 officers on the road and 1 desk duty. Just not buying it. Who the hell even knows who the guy is that tweeted this.

People are gullible. This has an insane scent of bull shit.

WookieMan says

Who the hell even knows who the guy is that tweeted this.

People are gullible. This has an insane scent of bull shit.

Here is the source article from my old hometown newspaper.

https://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2025/04/14/five-years-later-how-indianas-first-police-teslas-holding-up-bargersville-department-todd-bertram/83083353007/

socal2 says

Here is the source article from my old hometown newspaper.

Paywall... Still have to address why they have 13 cars with 16 officers. That was my point. 16 officers is maybe a town of 5-6k? Not all 16 are on duty at the same time.

And now that I'm thinking about it you have more gear than normal in a cop car running off electric supply. A running ICE car and alternator can run that all day. You're going to lose 10-20% of battery running equipment in a cop car. You'll have to swap cars during your shift or get yourself in a situation you can't serve and protect when the battery runs out going to a call. Less time on the streets.

There also is no $500k in savings for 3-5 years because you paid more for the car up front. For police sedans you're looking at $50k more at least for an EV. The sedan style ICE patrol car is cheap outside of added equipment. You then still have to get tires. As I said, a brake job is a trivial task at around $200-300 and could be done in house with public works mechanics. Could literally be $80/car.

Basically what I'm saying is the math is not truthful or makes sense. Also they'll eventually have to account for MFT to charge. It's coming...

socal2 says

Tesla has one of the highest brand loyalty rates in the auto industry.
https://cleantechnica.com/2024/04/11/tesla-leading-in-auto-brand-loyalty/#google_vignette

That was posted a year ago. Lot has since changed. Esp for Libtards who have overwhelmingly been buyers of Teslas.

MolotovCocktail says

That was posted a year ago. Lot has since changed. Esp for Libtards who have overwhelmingly been buyers of Teslas.

Yes - I already pointed out the Leftist Commies and Trannies hate Tesla now. Good thing that most of them are too lazy to work to afford a car in the first place.

Has nothing to do with the quality of the product.

I only mentioned my own personal experience.

socal2 says

MolotovCocktail says

That was posted a year ago. Lot has since changed. Esp for Libtards who have overwhelmingly been buyers of Teslas.

Yes - I already pointed out the Leftist Commies and Trannies hate Tesla now. Good thing that most of them are too lazy to work to afford a car in the first place.

Has nothing to do with the quality of the product.

dude a lot of leftists are very well off, some very wealthy people there.

socal2 says

Tesla has one of the highest brand loyalty rates in the auto industry.

Does that lead to sales though? I love my Nissan SUV. Driving that until it breaks. I'd buy another in a heartbeat, but if you build good cars that's 7-10 years. Nearing 250k miles and 11 years. So far I don't need to buy a new one.

I'll probably get a new(ish) one for me when the oldest is close to 16. Although in our area we let them drive alone at 15 so that might be in the next 6 months.

Brand loyalty doesn't really mean much if you build good cars. There's not much more tech that you can put in a car at this point, if you even want it. If people are trading in and selling Teslas that's not a good sign. Most are likely lower mileage. I'm not sure if that's loyalty or politics, but like I said, not a good sign for the brand.

I haven't looked at Tesla quarterlies or K10, but there will be evidence there. Not just the press piece either, the whole thing.

MolotovCocktail says

Tesla (TSLA.O) faces a proposed class action claiming it speeds up odometers on its electric vehicles so they fall out of warranty faster, saving Elon Musk's company from having to pay for repairs.
The plaintiff Nyree Hinton alleged that Tesla odometer readings reflect energy consumption, driver behavior and "predictive algorithms" rather than actual mileage driven.
He said the odometer on the 2020 Model Y he bought in December 2022 with 36,772 miles on the clock ran at least 15% fast, based on his other vehicles and driving history, and for a while said he drove 72 miles a day when at most he drove 20.
Hinton, a Los Angeles resident, said this caused his 50,000-mile basic warranty to expire well ahead of schedule, leaving him with a $10,000 suspension repair bill that he thought Tesla should cover.
"By tying warranty limits and lease mileage caps to inflated 'odometer' readings, Tesla increases repair revenue, reduces warranty obligations, and compels consumers to purchase extended warranties prematurely," the complaint said.

RWSGFY says

caused his 50,000-mile basic warranty to expire well ahead of schedule, leaving him with a $10,000 suspension repair bill that he thought Tesla should cover."By tying warranty limits and lease mileage caps to inflated 'odometer' readings, Tesla increases repair revenue, reduces warranty obligations, and compels consumers to purchase extended warranties prematurely," the complaint said.

How in the flying fuck do you need suspension work at 50k miles?? $10k is a full rebuild, like take the axels off and put new ones on. I just did my suspension at 220k miles and it was $800. I sniff bull shit in this story.

I dislike EV's, but if they're not getting 50k miles out of a suspension they're shit cars. And if it cost $10k, get fucked. I get the point is the odometer, but that means the suspension goes under 50k miles? Am I right? That's a shit car.

RWSGFY says

He said the odometer on the 2020 Model Y he bought in December 2022 with 36,772 miles on the clock ran at least 15% fast, based on his other vehicles and driving history

Too easy to check. Just take the vehicle to a measured mile. Or even easier, start at a mile marker on the interstate and drive 10 miles and see how the mileage markers compare to the odo.

HeadSet says

RWSGFY says
He said the odometer on the 2020 Model Y he bought in December 2022 with 36,772 miles on the clock ran at least 15% fast, based on his other vehicles and driving history

Too easy to check. Just take the vehicle to a measured mile. Or even easier, start at a mile marker on the interstate and drive 10 miles and see how the mileage markers compare to the odo.

Probably have to do 100 miles at least to prove anything. Either way everything is all digital now so an odometer being off for a warranty wouldn't shock me. I like DOGE, don't care for Tesla and am indifferent with Musk. If true he's really backing himself into a corner. He's gotta do some damage control at this point at least for shareholder (I'm not one unless it's in a fund).

EBGuy says

Well, this will be interesting. Per press release, Walmart will be testing BrightDrop vans in several dense urban areas AND northwest Arkansas. Per the google:
Northwest Arkansas has a significantly lower population density compared to Austin, Texas. Northwest Arkansas has a population density of 174 people per square mile, while Austin has a density of 3,006.36 people per square mile. So I guess we'll be getting our test case...

In other news:

General Motors has temporarily paused production of BrightDrop electric vans at its CAMI Assembly plant in Ontario, Canada. This halt is scheduled to last from May to October 2025 due to weak demand and inventory adjustments

https://gcaptain.com/photos-car-carrier-morning-midas-catches-fire-with-electric-vehicles-off-alaska/

Off the subject a bit, evidently Musk is freaking out that Trump et. al want to get rid of the tax credit=subsidy for electric battery cars.

clambo says

Off the subject a bit, evidently Musk is freaking out that Trump et. al want to get rid of the tax credit=subsidy for electric battery cars.

Nah, he's on record saying he doesn't want these.

RWSGFY says

Nah, he's on record saying he doesn't want these.

Yup. Has he recently changed his tune, clambo ?

I'm guilty of not really paying much attention to what Musk is saying about things, so if he is against tax credits (corporate welfare) for battery cars that's fine.

clambo says

I'm guilty of not really paying much attention to what Musk is saying about things, so if he is against tax credits (corporate welfare) for battery cars that's fine.

You are the one who said, "evidently Musk is freaking out that Trump et. al want to get rid of the tax credit=subsidy for electric battery cars."

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

Not sure what your point is, or why the ODO is in kilometers. Getting a quarter million miles (402k kilometers) out of a car sounds like a good deal for the original owner.

HeadSet says

Not sure what your point is, or why the ODO is in kilometers. Getting a quarter million miles (402k kilometers) out of a car sounds like a good deal for the original owner.

I think the point is the resale is trash. I wouldn't buy one. A new battery is due and you've essentially got a $22-25k car at least. I'd just get a new hybrid for $30k that's the same size and has similar features. If you're into acceleration and that stuff you're a common retard. You don't need that stuff.

You can also get a used hybrid for around the same amount with 60-80k miles. Full EV is stupid.

WookieMan says

I think the point is the resale is trash.

Yes, but the resale on any car with 250k miles on it is "trash."

HeadSet says

WookieMan says

I think the point is the resale is trash.

Yes, but the resale on any car with 250k miles on it is "trash."

Agree and disagree. Can make an ICE vehicles run another 50-100k miles for $2-4k. Ain't doing that with an EV. It will be $10k and you still have to do tires and brakes. Manufacturers oil changes have gone way up. Might only need 2 a year unless it's a commercial vehicle. Oh the horror.

Still have to pay the electric. The MFT taxes are coming in some form in the near future. EV's I think have reached peak saturation. Factor in subsidies potentially going away, they're toast. It was never a viable option regardless of the fun to drive thing everyone is attached to. Start from A get me to B and that's a car. 0-60 in 2.5 seconds is stupid.

Guy in car is praying, but gets in accident anyway. Who wanted him dead?

Pretty much the only reason you need NOT to buy EV. You know they chip these things, and probably most lithium battery items with chips, for remote detonation. Even without DEW, you could firebomb an entire suburb with lithium batteries in the stuff the homeowners already bought.

WookieMan says

How in the flying fuck do you need suspension work at 50k miles?? $10k is a full rebuild, like take the axels off and put new ones on. I just did my suspension at 220k miles and it was $800. I sniff bull shit in this story.

Talk to @socal2. He's our resident Tesla fluffer here. Make him own this bullshit.

Ceffer says

Pretty much the only reason you need NOT to buy EV. You know they chip these things, and probably most lithium battery items with chips, for remote detonation. Even without DEW, you could firebomb an entire suburb with lithium batteries in the stuff the homeowners already bought.

But, but the EV fluffers here on PatNet have repeatedly told us EVs don't spontaneously combust anymore than ICE vehicles do!

MolotovCocktail says

But, but the EV fluffers here on PatNet have repeatedly told us EVs don't spontaneously combust anymore than ICE vehicles do!

Problem with EV's is you can't put the fire out. If fast enough and you have a semi or commercial vehicle driving by you can put the fire out with their extinguisher for an ICE car and salvage it most likely. EV's, get the s'mores ready to fire up for the next two hours.

I have a lithium battery for the golf cart. It legit scares me. I don't park it in the garage (now, nice to have). Unless running an ICE vehicle will not just combust. That's an argument that can never be won. I don't charge the cart overnight, only during the day when I'm around. EV lovers will say it's rare. I don't care, I know my Armada is not going to just start on fire parked in the driveway or garage. The cart is fun, but you have to use caution with these batteries.

MolotovCocktail says

WookieMan says

How in the flying fuck do you need suspension work at 50k miles?? $10k is a full rebuild, like take the axels off and put new ones on. I just did my suspension at 220k miles and it was $800. I sniff bull shit in this story.

Talk to socal2. He's our resident Tesla fluffer here. Make him own this bullshit.

Yeah - don’t buy cheap Communist Chinese EVs.

Millions of Teslas on the road over the last 10 years, where are all the fire stories? God knows that the Leftist anti-Elon media would trumpet every negative safety report against Tesla if they could.

BTW - my wife reluctantly told me the other day how much she absolutely loves her new Tesla and can’t stand driving anything else.

We looked at getting solar before the incentives expire this year, but the numbers don’t work even with high energy costs in California.

With SDG&E’s EV plan, we are currently spending about $300/month on electricity for a family of 4 and that includes charging two Teslas. We were easily spending $200/month for fuel with our old cars.

socal2 says

Yeah - don’t buy cheap Communist Chinese EVs.

Millions of Teslas on the road over the last 10 years, where are all the fire stories? God knows that the Leftist anti-Elon media would trumpet every negative safety report against Tesla if they could.

BTW - my wife reluctantly told me the other day how much she absolutely loves her new Tesla and can’t stand driving anything else.

That has nothing to do with the point I referenced and you know it.

Explain the odometer scam, @socal2

Acura Kills ZDX After Just One Year As Massive Discounts Fail To Save It

The brand's first electric vehicle didn't take off the way Acura hoped and won't return after pausing for the 2025 model year

Acura confirms to Carscoops that ZDX production is over.

The move follows the end of Acura and GM’s EV program.

It’s sister model from Honda is not affected by this decision.

It’s official: Acura’s first all-electric SUV is dead. The brand chose to skip the 2025 model year after its joint venture with GM was cancelled in late 2023.

Now, the Japanese automaker has confirmed to Carscoops that the ZDX will not return, with production ending immediately. The ZDX lasted just over a year, with assembly having kicked off in March 2024.

The decision also happens to line up with the federal $7,500 EV tax credit winding down in just a matter of days, and comes right after Nissan announced it would also scrap the Ariya EV.

More: Nissan Is Dropping The Ariya EV After 2025

“To better align our product portfolio with the needs of our customers and market conditions, as well as our long-term strategic goals, we can confirm the Acura ZDX has ended production,” an Acura spokesperson told Carscoops.

Setting the Stage for What’s Next

Although the model has reached the end of the road, Acura stressed that the ZDX still laid important groundwork for what comes next. “ZDX has played a valuable role for the Acura brand, and will provide a foundation we will build on next year with the arrival of the all-electric Acura RSX, which will be produced at the EV Hub in Ohio in the second half of 2026, as well as with hybrid-electric Acura models now in development,” the spokesman added.

As for current owners, Acura promised that “customers will continue to receive full product support through our dealer network, including service, parts, and warranty coverage.”

The news first emerged earlier today through Car Dealership Guy News, which cited an internal memo distributed to Acura dealers. Until now, though, it had not been formally confirmed.

The ZDX was based on GM’s Ultium platform and shared bones with the Cadillac Lyriq and Chevrolet Blazer EV, as well as the Honda Prologue. Ultimately, it never really took off. Incentives topped $30,000 off MSRP at times and then, Acura skipped 2025 altogether. Suffice it to say, this news isn’t all that shocking.

When the partnership between GM and Honda ended in late 2023, the two brands said it was a mutual decision. “After studying this for a year, we decided that this would be difficult as a business, so at the moment we are ending development of an affordable EV,” said Toshihiro Mibe, CEO of Honda. Despite the death of the ZDX, the brand is clearly pushing forward on some of its EV plans. The all-electric RSX will arrive in the latter half of 2026.

What About The Prologue?

Carscoops can also confirm that the Honda Prologue will continue on. Essentially, it serves as Honda’s primary EV offering until its next-generation electric architecture arrives. The Prologue has enjoyed steadier demand and certainly plays a role in the brand’s long-term EV-only strategy.

https://www.carscoops.com/2025/09/acura-kills-zdx-after-massive-discounts-fail-to-save-it/#Echobox=1758727972

MolotovCocktail says

socal2 says

Yeah - don’t buy cheap Communist Chinese EVs.

Millions of Teslas on the road over the last 10 years, where are all the fire stories? God knows that the Leftist anti-Elon media would trumpet every negative safety report against Tesla if they could.

BTW - my wife reluctantly told me the other day how much she absolutely loves her new Tesla and can’t stand driving anything else.

That has nothing to do with the point I referenced and you know it.

Explain the odometer scam, socal2

Well?

Like offshore...and increasingly onshore...wind and the Ivanpah solar farm, EV market share is shit w/o subsidies.



https://www.cnbc.com/2025/09/30/ford-ceo-jim-farley-ev-incentives.html