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The pathetic appeal to emotions that both EV manufacturers and their owners is starting to get tiring. If you want to drive a vehicle powered by electricity, hydrogen, corn oil, fucking bananas, thats your prerogative. But lets not pretend our vehicle purchases are turning the tide of anything.

Electricity for much of the US and world is powered through coal, its just a switch to another equal pollutant. The batteries and materials used in EVs are full of heavy metals, not to mention that when the batteries in an EV combust they fill the air with pollutants, burning heavy metals that fire departments cant extinguish. Lastly, theres not enough data on current EVs to determine their shelf life, given the materials and amount of electronics, i imagine the shelf life of an EV will be significantly shorter than that of an ICE vehicle.

Given all of that, you will still be subject to the bitching and moaning of bugmen and babies who have never changed their oil in their life. The sheer panic that these people attempt to spread and their ever changing timeline of ecological destruction is obnoxious. These arent folks who attempt to clean up India or China(our leading polluters) but they want to concentrate on stripping you of your ability to choose.

The government is only too happy to comply too. The more that bloodsucking government can entangle themselves in transportation, the more control they have over you and your movement. The government gives companies like Tesla "Credits" that they can sell to ICE manufacturers who dont develop EVs, or dont develop them to the point that the government wants. This allows failing EV companies, like Tesla, to stay afloat even though they cant run a business efficiently. Honestly this type of behavior is more akin to a villain from an Ayn Rand novel, both with the governments overreach and with the behavior of many EV owners in general.

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2022/02/four-fast-chargers-every-50-miles-us-unveils-ev-infrastructure-plan/?source=patrick.net

Government owned charging stations. That's the equivalent of building and owning gas stations for ICEs.

Socialism.

Not So Fast on Electric Cars - WSJ

Allysia FinleyDec. 25, 2022 6:20 pm ET

Toyota’s CEO delivers a timely warning, and many states echo it.

Toyota CEO Akio Toyoda recently caused the climate lobby to blow a fuse by speaking a truth about battery electric vehicles that his fellow auto executives dare not. “Just like the fully autonomous cars that we were all supposed to be driving by now,” Mr. Toyoda said in Thailand, “I think BEVs are just going to take longer to become mainstream than the media would like us to believe.” He added that a “silent majority” in the auto industry share his view, “but they think it’s the trend, so they can’t speak out loudly.”
The Biden administration seems to believe that millions of Americans will rush out to buy electric vehicles if only the government throws enough subsidies at them. Last year’s infrastructure bill included $7.5 billion in grants for states to expand their charging networks. But it’s a problem when even the states are warning the administration that electric vehicles aren’t ready to go mainstream.

Maine notes in a plan submitted to the Federal Highway Administration this summer that “cold temperatures will remain a top challenge” for adoption, since “cold weather reduces EV range and increases charging times.” When temperatures drop to 5 degrees Fahrenheit, the cars achieve only 54% of their quoted range. A vehicle that’s supposed to be able to go 250 miles between charges will make it only 135 miles on average. At 32 degrees—a typical winter day in much of the country—a Tesla Model 3 that in ideal conditions can go 282 miles between charges will make it only 173 miles.
Imagine if the 100 million Americans who took to the road over the holidays were driving electric cars. How many would have been stranded as temperatures plunged? There wouldn’t be enough tow trucks—or emergency medics—for people freezing in their cars.
The Transportation Department is requiring states to build charging stations every 50 miles along interstate highways and within a mile of off-ramps to reduce the likelihood of these scenarios. But most state electrical grids aren’t built to handle this many charging stations and will thus require expensive upgrades. Illinois, for one, warns of “challenges related to sufficient electric grid capacity, particularly in rural areas of the state.”

Charging stations in rural areas with little traffic are also unlikely to be profitable and could become “stranded assets,” as many states warn. Wyoming says out-of-state traffic from non-Tesla electric vehicles would have to increase 100-fold to cover charger costs under the administration’s rules. Tesla has already scoped out premier charging locations for its proprietary network. Good luck to competitors.

New Mexico warns that “poor station maintenance can lead to stations being perpetually broken and unusable, particularly in rural or hard to access locations. If an EV charging station is built in an area without electrical capacity and infrastructure to support its use, it will be unusable until the appropriate upgrades are installed.”

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Arizona says “private businesses may build and operate a station if a grant pays for the first five years of operations and maintenance” but might abandon the project if it later proves unprofitable. Many other states echo this concern, noting that federal funds could result in stranded assets.

The administration aims to build 500,000 stations, but states will likely have to spend their own money to keep them running. Like other federal inducements, these grants may entice states to assume what could become huge financial liabilities.

Federal funds also come with many rules, including “buy America” procurement requirements, which demand that chargers consist of mostly U.S.-made components. New Jersey says these could “delay implementation by several years” since only a few manufacturers can currently meet them. New York also says it will be challenging to comply with the web of federal rules, including the National Environmental Policy Act, the Americans with Disabilities Act, the Uniform Relocation Assistance and Real Property Acquisition Policies Act of 1970, and a 1960 federal law that bars charging stations in rest areas.

Oh, and labor rules. The administration requires that electrical workers who install and maintain the stations be certified by the union-backed Electric Vehicle Infrastructure Training Program. New Mexico says much of the state lacks contractors that meet this mandate, which will reduce competition and increase costs.

Technical problems abound too. Virginia says fast-charging hardware “has a short track record” and is “prone to malfunctions.” Equipment “previously installed privately in Virginia has had a high failure rate shown in user comments and reports on social media,” and “even compatibility with credit card readers has been unexpectedly complicated.”

A study this spring led by University of California researchers found that more than a quarter of public direct-current fast-charging stations in the San Francisco Bay Area were unusable. Drivers will be playing roulette every time they head to a station. If all this weren’t disconcerting enough, Arizona warns cyber vulnerabilities could compromise customer financial transactions, charging infrastructure, electric vehicles and the grid.

Politicians and auto makers racing to eliminate the internal-combustion engine are bound to crash into technological, logistic and financial realities, as Mr. Toyoda warned. The casualties will be taxpayers, but the administration doesn’t seem to care.

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MolotovCocktail says

I asked a friend with a Tesla and he showed me that the doors of
a Tesla are mechanical - Common sense, right?

Yes, you can open the doors electrically. Doors lock automatically once you start driving, like every other car and truck today. However, every Tesla door has a manual release located in front of the window controls. It's plainly marked. There are also tutorial videos available as soon as you sit in the seat for the first time. You used to have to read the manual. They are literally spoon-feeding the new owner.

The number Tesla fires are extremely low:
Tesla vehicles experience fires at ~1 per 130-210 million miles driven (2012-2022 data), vs. ~1 per 18-19 million miles for average US vehicles (mostly ICE). Overall, EVs like Tesla are 10-60x safer from fire risk than ICE.

The case will be litigated in court, Tesla will likely defend vigorously.

I made the image just days before Jaguar unveiled their new design.

So, they haven't been able to sell a single car since they went extreme Woke, but they were able to con the UK government into giving them some taxpayer coin because they were "hacked".

Government Subsidy goes away, Losers be losers. Tesla? Still going strong. If you haven't bought stock yet, there is still time before the Tesla RoboTaxi bump happens.

rocketjoe79 says

before the Tesla RoboTaxi bump happens.

RoboTaxis will face legal hurdles, in my view. All SDCs will.

rocketjoe79 says

"...there is still time before the Tesla RoboTaxi bump happens."

A system that cannot fail safe should NEVER be automated.

rocketjoe79 says

There are also tutorial videos available as soon as you sit in the seat for the first time. You used to have to read the manual. They are literally spoon-feeding the new owner.

You think a 19 y.o. girl would read a manual or sit through a tutorial video? LOL.

Thing is: the whole thing is completely unnecessary. Just make fucking door handles mechanical and intuitive like in every other car on the road. Boom! Done. That wasn't hard, was it?

Ford is deciding to close down production of the F-150 lightning. They sold a whopping 1500 of them last month. By the Stats they sold more Edsels on a monthly basis, and the population was much smaller then.

Eric Holder says

rocketjoe79 says

There are also tutorial videos available as soon as you sit in the seat for the first time. You used to have to read the manual. They are literally spoon-feeding the new owner.

You think a 19 y.o. girl would read a manual or sit through a tutorial video? LOL.

Thing is: the whole thing is completely unnecessary. Just make fucking door handles mechanical and intuitive like in every other car on the road. Boom! Done. That wasn't hard, was it?

The issue is that the mechanical release isn't particularly convenient (in operation and/or placement). Thus people use the electronic button all the time and have no practice with the backup system when the need arises. Rolled vehicle filled with smoke, airbags in your face, and broken bones make matters ever so complicated when seconds count.

SunnyvaleCA says

The issue is that the mechanical release isn't particularly convenient (in operation and/or placement). Thus people use the electronic button all the time and have no practice with the backup system when the need arises. Rolled vehicle filled with smoke, airbags in your face, and broken bones make matters ever so complicated when seconds count.

The whole electric door release is a perfect example of why-tech. It's unnecessary, it's hard to use in an emergency, it adds complexity, etc. They say they need it to be electric in order to lower the glass before door is opened but countless counvertibles and coupes manage this with normal user interface - a fucking door handle.

Eric Holder says

The whole electric door release is a perfect example of why-tech.

Like shaving in front of a video camera and flat screen instead of a mirror.

Reminds me of a couple of Tesla fluffers here on Patnet:

Do not put bicyclists on the same list as vegans. A bike is an excellent way to do short trips in a small town or suburb. I am talking about pedal only bikes, not electric bikes that are really just another type of Vespa scooter.

My Tesla does nearly 100% of my driving now. Hard to put into words what an amazing feature this is as it adds massive safety and convenience to my life. It was incredible having it drive home from the restaurant last night in the pouring rain after I had a few beers with dinner.

People have no idea what’s coming…..

Now that the EV subsidies are gone, EV adoption will slow down, but Tesla will be the last man standing as they were already able to make EV’s at a sustainable profit - while everyone else is now pulling back. Very few Tesla drivers (who don’t have TDS or EDS) are going back to primitive ICE cars.

socal2 says

"My Tesla does nearly 100% of my driving now."

socal2: I have a lot of experience with automating various processes, systems etc and
my $0.02 in this area is to never automate a system that cannot fail safe."

For example... what if the automatic system on that vehicle fails while you are doing
70 mph on the highway?

Again, my $0.02...

socal2 says

It was incredible having it drive home from the restaurant last night in the pouring rain after I had a few beers with dinner.

DUI with "autopilot" carries the same consequences as DUI without.

RWSGFY says

DUI with "autopilot" carries the same consequences as DUI without.

Interesting if the "autopilot" detects your slurred speech voice commands and take you to the police station.

Tenpoundbass says

Then the companies that are going to accommodate them, can you just imagine the petty rules, and elitist merits, that companies will allow or not allow their employees to use the limited charging stations at the office?

My friend's wife works at a local hospital. They recently installed 1 ev charger for the employees, for their office.
They used to be a tight knit group, considered themselves like family. But since the car charger, the EV drivers have all turned into bitter petty foes, worrying about who was on the charger one minute longer than the allotted time. The emails, interoffice memos, the HR reporting all over EV charging privileges and times. The problem is, the people that drive to work on empty, for the amount of time they get on the charger, it barely puts anything back.