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zzyzzx says

HeadSet says

I thought that reselling a Cybertruck violated the purchase agreement with Tesla.

I'm sure it does, but since enforcement of EVERYTHING is extremely lax these days, and car dealers frequently violate various laws already, a contractual requirement is meaningless to them.

This is true. The Kia EV9 has really good reviews. Kia told the dealerships not to mark up the price, but they still did. Buyers protested. Let’s see how it will play out.

Ok Wookie, you basically said 3 persons are liars, and you knew better. I’ll let the readers decide. I don’t know the area. I just share info.

Eman says

I thought that reselling a Cybertruck violated the purchase agreement with Tesla.

It did. The damage is $50k fine if Tesla decides to sue the seller. I don’t know why people do this stuff. It makes no sense to me, but it is what it is.

It does make sense if what you're trying to do is get headlines. That's why I said bubble. In my honest opinion, only an idiot would pay $300,000 for a cyber truck. It's all for headlines/marketing. The dealer probably sold it to himself.

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Speaking of EVs and China, I researched that 556,000 Tesla EVs were sold in China in 2022.

Tesla sold a total of 1.3 million EVs in 2022, which the 1.3 million was a 40% increase in 2021 sales.

Just like with Apple, are the Chicoms learning and copying from Tesla so eventually Tesla is no more a noticeable presence in China just like Apple ?

Tesla stock is at 189 compared to all time high in 2021 at 407, and 2023 low of 113 set in January.
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GNL says

Eman says

I thought that reselling a Cybertruck violated the purchase agreement with Tesla.

It did. The damage is $50k fine if Tesla decides to sue the seller. I don’t know why people do this stuff. It makes no sense to me, but it is what it is.

It does make sense if what you're trying to do is get headlines. That's why I said bubble. In my honest opinion, only an idiot would pay $300,000 for a cyber truck. It's all for headlines/marketing. The dealer probably sold it to himself.

Wouldn’t that make the dealer look dumb even if it were self dealing? All bidders knew Porsche South Orlando won the bid. The dealer had to pay 5% commission, or whatever fees for the sale. Then they try to resale it for $290k?

There was one that was sold for $250k prior to this auction, but it didn’t reveal who the buyer was. I’m not in the car biz so I don’t understand the strategies behind this kind of purchase.

And the show continues. Some people want to cash in while the going is good. I don’t blame them.



https://x.com/sawyermerritt/status/1764749955841819116?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q

Eman says

Ok Wookie, you basically said 3 persons are liars, and you knew better. I’ll let the readers decide. I don’t know the area. I just share info.

At no point did I say anyone here was a liar. It's not Chicago... It's a suburb. Name the suburb, so say what Chicago suburb or quote it that way. That didn't happen in that comment. 2nd, you haven't addressed that is was likely a Tesla meet up and they were all leaving. There are not that many Teslas here.

You don't understand because you're in CA. They're not practical vehicles here. I'm not joking when the batteries die in cold weather. I have an electric vehicle. It being a golf cart doesn't matter. I know the battery tech. I know the charging. You'd be an idiot to not have an ICE back up in my region. So now you've got a 2nd car. Super green. Super saving... lol.

Enjoy it out in CA and live with crazy ideology about being green and an EV making any sense. It doesn't.

30 sec video clip. She can shake. Too funny to not share. 😂

https://x.com/red_bullish/status/1764704598059815177?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q

Eman says

30 sec video clip. She can shake. Too funny to not share. 😂

https://x.com/red_bullish/status/1764704598059815177?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q

So now, we're supposed to be super excited that Teslas are a spying device also?

Eman says

And the show continues. Some people want to cash in while the going is good. I don’t blame them.



https://x.com/sawyermerritt/status/1764749955841819116?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q

So every cyber truck on the road was purchased for over $200k? The stupidity is stupendous.

GNL says

So now, we're supposed to be super excited that Teslas are a spying device also?

Wait until you learn about your phone or Smart TV.....

I love being able to access the cameras on my car in real time from my phone. It's like having a ring camera. As more and more people recognize that Teslas are loaded with cameras and other security devices, less people will fuck with the cars knowing that they can be recorded.

GNL says

So every cyber truck on the road was purchased for over $200k? The stupidity is stupendous.

There are lots of rich people in this world that can afford that type of luxury. I can't understand people who can buy bottles of wine for over $1,000.......but there is alot of them.

Every Tesla has had major price drops once they get the manufacturing scaled up. I hope to get a Cybertruck in 4 years when my next Model Y lease is up and price is more reasonable.

Eman says

30 sec video clip. She can shake. Too funny to not share.

Do Teslas come with a factory installed dashcam?

socal2 says

It's like having a ring camera.

It's a liability. I almost broke my arm working. You then have to provide the video and I'll sue you and get your insurance and so will my company. I have static cameras I can watch, but stopped recording. If I have evidence of someone getting hurt on my property, I'm fucked. I strictly use my cameras to check in on the house and the kids. NO recording and I can show proof of it.

Cops don't do shit anymore. Why? Cameras. You don't want a ring doorbells on your house or any device that actively records. Trust me. It's more problems then prevention. Get a gun.

Britain Has an 'EV Ticking Time Bomb' Problem

https://blackmon.substack.com/p/tuesdays-energy-absurdity-britain

The Daily Mail reports that what it calls the British government's "safety watchdogs" have issued a recall notice for almost 2,000 EV buses "over fears they can catch fire if left unattended."

HeadSet says

Eman says

30 sec video clip. She can shake. Too funny to not share.

Do Teslas come with a factory installed dashcam?

Yes, they all come with front, rear and 4 cameras on the sides. All drivers have the option of turning the dashcam on, off or auto.

Dodge is making EV muscle car. Didn’t see this coming.



https://x.com/sawyermerritt/status/1765051701340389561?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q

So....uhhhh.....EVs are so good that the car manufacturers are making them sound and feel like real cars ????

Eman says

Dodge is making EV muscle car. Didn’t see this coming.



https://x.com/sawyermerritt/status/1765051701340389561?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q

Vaporware. Even so, what fellow old enough to afford that car would want fake engine vibration and fake loud exhaust noise? How about fake air intakes as well?

HeadSet says

Eman says

Dodge is making EV muscle car. Didn’t see this coming.



https://x.com/sawyermerritt/status/1765051701340389561?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q

Vaporware. Even so, what fellow old enough to afford that car would want fake engine vibration and fake loud exhaust noise? How about fake air intakes as well?

Stupid thing weighs more than a 2015 Yukon Denali 4wd!!!

Fake AND gay.

I agree. It makes no sense. Dodge should have created a new line and a new name for the EV to cater it to a different crowd. Not sure who made the decision to come up with the fake exhaust sound and car vibration.

I love the quietness of my Tesla. It doesn’t make sound when I back up like the newer models.

ForcedTQ says

Stupid thing weighs more than a 2015 Yukon Denali 4wd!!!

Probably should actually add 180 lbs if they were smart. Forget the name of it, but it could be a business tax write off at/over 6k lbs.

I just don't get the point of it. Even the ICE version. It's such an impractical car. You can get pulled over for accelerating too fast. Obviously speeding. What's the point of these types of cars including Tesla? I'm mean are people taking these to the track? That's the only way to legally max out the performance of any of these types of cars.

I like old school cars that technically can go fast, but for me that would be looks more than speed. Teslas look like dog vomit and that Dodge does too.

I'd also take the Denali in a heartbeat. You can actually do things with it. I'm not fitting 3 kids and gear in that Dodge or any model of Tesla comfortably, including Cyber. My 13 year old is already 6'. I'm 6'3". As I've said, Tesla and that Charger and others like it are not practical cars unless you're a bachelor that does nothing manly or fun.

OK, so here is the choice, for me, anyway. Buy a new Subaru BRZ tS, around $37k before taxes. And yes, it comes standard with a manual. Or, pay about $83-90k before taxes, depending on the bells and whistles (Z51, front lift feature, etc.) to buy a Corvette Stingray 2LT. Only comes in an automatic. And no, did not price insurance yet.

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

OK, so here is the choice, for me, anyway. Buy a new Subaru BRZ tS, around $37k before taxes. And yes, it comes standard with a manual. Or, pay about $83-90k before taxes, depending on the bells and whistles (Z51, front lift feature, etc.) to buy a Corvette Stingray 2LT. Only comes in an automatic. And no, did not price insurance yet.

May I ask why the Subaru BRZ rather than Honda Civic Type R?

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

OK, so here is the choice, for me, anyway. Buy a new Subaru BRZ tS, around $37k before taxes. And yes, it comes standard with a manual. Or, pay about $83-90k before taxes, depending on the bells and whistles (Z51, front lift feature, etc.) to buy a Corvette Stingray 2LT. Only comes in an automatic. And no, did not price insurance yet.

I don't do 2 door cars. Had a 2 door Jeep when I was younger. Even without kids at that time is was shit. Being taller I could't do either car really. SUV or bust.

That said I assume the Subaru is AWD? Don't need to know where you live, but if it snows the Subaru is a no brainer financially and safety wise. I bought my house for the price of the Corvette and am $200k up. I don't spend a ton on depreciating products. So my vote would be the Subaru to save money. Plus manual and you can drive like an actual man.

WookieMan says

That said I assume the Subaru is AWD?

No, actually RWD. I do have an Subie Outback, AWD of course - great car but the GUI is a little slow. Agree about the manual. Looking at homes in Idaho. Currently in liberal shathole MD.

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

WookieMan says

That said I assume the Subaru is AWD?

No, actually RWD. I do have an Subie Outback, AWD of course - great car but the GUI is a little slow. Agree about the manual. Looking at homes in Idaho. Currently in liberal shathole MD.

I have no issues with Subarus. Multiple friends with decade old models still running. You're gonna get snow in Idaho, but if you have the Outback as a back up you'll be fine with the BRZ 7-9 months of the year roughly. Also depends where in Idaho. Not sure if they use salt out there, so that $40-50k price difference could literally eat the Corvette. I'm a cheapskate though and save and invest. The Corvette is cool looking, I won't lie. My vote is the Subaru.

People, who buy the Cybertruck now, are either social media influencers, or have F U money. Everyone wraps their truck with a different color. Everyone wants to be “different”. High gloss red.



https://x.com/teslaconomics/status/1765563218330820730?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q

Eman says

People, who buy the Cybertruck now, are either social media influencers, or have F U money. Everyone wraps their truck with a different color. Everyone wants to be “different”. High gloss red.

It's not a truck though. It's a glorified mid sized SUV with cramped seating, poor sight lines and no utility as usual with Tesla. It's fine production and deliveries have finally started, but there are few new sales. I've NEVER seen Tesla advertise. Any YouTube video I start has a Tesla ad now. That means new sales are way down on all models.

It's a toy. You'll never see a farmer or construction worker driving one of those around. Ever. It's like how the Hummer was. A bigger, impractical car with no utility that people thought made them look cool. How did that work out?

Teslas are fine cars, but I think they'll be a relic of the past in a decade. It's not a road tripping car, so no one besides a few outliers have high miles on any model. It's a commuter car. I was just out in Montana and didn't see one. You have to drive an hour (at least) to do fun stuff. I saw no charging stations. Full EV's are only practical for homebodies that go to work and do nothing else.

WookieMan says

You'll never see a farmer or construction worker driving one of those around. Ever. It's like how the Hummer was. A bigger, impractical car with no utility that people thought made them look cool. How did that work out?

I was going to mention the Hummer craze a few days ago. Yep, we saw lots of them and now...where the heck did they all go?

@Eman, that looks like a photoshop. I could be wrong though.

GNL says

WookieMan says

You'll never see a farmer or construction worker driving one of those around. Ever. It's like how the Hummer was. A bigger, impractical car with no utility that people thought made them look cool. How did that work out?

I was going to mention the Hummer craze a few days ago. Yep, we saw lots of them and now...where the heck did they all go?

Eman, that looks like a photoshop. I could be wrong though.

Check out the link I shared above for a short clip of the wrap from all angles.

Eman says

Everyone wraps their truck with a different color.

Since the cheap grade of stainless steel used is already rusting, this is a smart move.
And I love stainless steel, even this cheaper grade is going to hold up way better then not stainless on salted roads.

zzyzzx says

Eman says

Everyone wraps their truck with a different color.

Since the cheap grade of stainless steel used is already rusting, this is a smart move.
And I love stainless steel, even this cheaper grade is going to hold up way better then not stainless on salted roads.

Oh god, so much misinformation out there. Wes, the lead Cybertruck engineer already debunked this.

Here’s a video Kim Java recently did on a farmer in Florida. Which appeared like rust, turned out wasn’t.

https://youtu.be/L-gPL7H7XHw?si=RtABQDQCGYXkfgTe

“You'll never see a farmer or construction worker driving one of those around.”

Watch, Wookie will change the definition of “a farmer or construction worker” now to make his point.

Do you know why Tesla started to advertise this year and not before Wookie?

“It's a toy. You'll never see a farmer or construction worker driving one of those around. Ever. It's like how the Hummer was. A bigger, impractical car with no utility that people thought made them look cool. How did that work out?”

I don’t care how impractical the Cybertruck is, but I’m willing to bet it will outsell the Hummer sales number.

People buy a truck or car for different reasons. Stop imposing your views on others. It’s not about YOU. Just like I don’t see myself ever driving a Yukon XL ever again, and possibly ICE cars.

Eman says

People buy a truck or car for different reasons. Stop imposing your views on others. It’s not about YOU. Just like I don’t see myself ever driving a Yukon XL ever again, and possibly ICE cars.

The reason can be dumb and expensive. Which is what Tesla is. I'd love a Ferrari. I'd never buy one or even take one for free. Frugality is a thing. Doesn't mean you're poor. You're smart. I want life experiences. Driving a car is a chore to get from A to B. It's why the South Park creators call Harley riders fags. They are.

Buy the cheapest, clean looking car you can. For me it's SUV's that beats out anything Tesla puts out. I get you're brand loyal, but it's about UTILITY for a vehicle. They're ugly, fast golf cart... great. I'd rather fit 5-7 people and tow 7,000lbs. To go have a good time and not sit at a charging station for an hour to get 100 miles and have to put people in the trunk.

No model of Tesla is practical for a family of 5. None. Now imagine driving 4-8 clients around? Nope. Most legacy manufactures cars aren't besides mini vans (ewww) or SUV's. Tesla has neither. So I'm not picking on Tesla, I pointing out the massive flaws. Know the battery tech. New sales are going to plummet with market saturation. They already are.

I'd be shorting Tesla stock if I was in that game. Fortunately I don't need to trade stocks. Or buy status cars. I'm living the smart life...

Their reason for purchase is different with yours. It works for them. They don’t care what you or anyone thinks. They make their own life choice and you make yours.

And….you’re wrong again by saying “You'll never see a farmer or construction worker driving one of those around.” WRONG AGAIN!

zzyzzx says

Since the cheap grade of stainless steel used is already rusting,

Since when does stainless steel rust? I have used it in salt water for years, and I have never seen stainless steel rust. It will dull, but not rust. By the way, if a magnet sticks to it, it is not stainless steel.

10 things that make the cyber truck a shitty truck. LMAO, originally was supposed to start at $39,000 but none are selling for less than $100,000. And it was supposed to go 500 miles between charges. At full towing capacity (11,000lbs) you can only go 90 miles.

https://youtu.be/KcVaRlLtBPw?si=CXN9lTi6UUyyOXIn