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marcus says

Why don't you post it, instead of repeatedly making shit up ?

I've posted it at least twice before.

Here it is Again, yet Again from Secular Talk, a Left Wing Show, that produced this episode containing the relevant clip shortly after it happened:

www.youtube.com/embed/rtO1OigwfVs

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Honest analysis ?

https://theintercept.com/2019/09/22/reporters-stop-helping-donald-trump-spread-lies-joe-biden-ukraine/

But journalists at leading American news organizations — including CNN, the New York Times, Politico, ABC News, and MSNBC — have helped weaponize this disinformation by repeating the baseless smear over and over, without promptly and accurately conveying that Trump and Giuliani are lying about what the former vice president did in Ukraine. So lies and misinformation have been broadcast nationwide, reaching millions of people who will never read subsequent fact checks debunking them.

This began in May, when Giuliani’s embrace of the conspiracy theory was reported on the front page of the Times, in an article that forced readers to wait until the 19th paragraph to find out that “No evidence has surfaced that the former vice president intentionally tried to help his son by pressing for the prosecutor general’s dismissal.” Even so, the Times politics reporter who interviewed Giuliani, Ken Vogel, claimed on Twitter that this meant “The BIDENS are entangled in a Ukrainian corruption scandal.”

As I reported at the time, the truth is not that hard to determine. There is little doubt that Biden’s son Hunter did benefit from his father’s position by securing a spot on the board of a Ukrainian natural gas company in 2014, a legal but ethically dubious move. But when Joe Biden subsequently conveyed a threat from the Obama administration to withhold $1 billion in loan guarantees to Ukraine unless the chief prosecutor was dismissed, his intervention made it more rather than less likely that the oligarch who paid his son would be subject to prosecution for corruption. (bold text by me)

The real question becomes: are we a banana republic or like Russia - where it's impossible for the people to know the truth ? Or is the truth knowable ?

Who are the bigger liars and political hacks here ? Biden ? OR Trump and Giuliani ?

CovfefeButDeadly says

But it’s ok Tim and Marcus. You only have 5 more years of President Trump.

Imagine the deathbed regret for the 8 years of living angry and frustrated just because of a man named TRUMP. TDS is real.

komputodo says

TDS is real.

Yes, and it's being displayed in a crazy way by the Trump Cucks here in this very thread. This is what TDS looks like:

Tenpoundbass says

marcus says

But Fox has also published the transcript of the phone calls that CNN did, and besides, they were provided by the white house.

You're still bringing up FOX in your defense. Your stupidity Marcus is no excuse to blindly believe I watch FOX news. I cut the Cord in 2012.
This is just more of the stupid shit Liberals do. Stay grounded in facts, I don't bring up FOX why do you?
CNN is a blanket statement for all of the TDS Commie interlopers posing as our Press. They are playing an active part in Obama's coup to overthrow Trump.
This is well documented from Sources, that every tech site has banned, and the FOX TDS characters would never report.

All the scumbags are coming out.

Here is Gergenmell, I mean Deep State Neoliberal Gergen.

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/09/29/trump-tweets-whistleblower-schiff-david-gergen-nr-vpx.cnn

marcus says

The real question becomes: are we a banana republic or like Russia - where it's impossible for the people to know the truth ? Or is the truth knowable ?

Will we allow the intelligence agencies to overthrow a Democratically Elected President because they hate his policies?

Think of how many angry DC administrators, who have put in their 30 years of fetching and schlepping, only to have the China-Euro Foreign Money Gravy Train taken away as they go to collect their earned reward.

marcus says

komputodo says

TDS is real.

Yes, and it's being displayed in a crazy way by the Trump Cucks here in this very thread. .

Really boss?

You're the one that has demonstrated repeatedly that you are incapable for God knows what reason of grasping simple legal concepts.

Remember that time you were factually proven wrong when you said the George Zimmerman trial would create precedence and you STILL continued to insist that it would even though you were factually 100% incorrect?

CornPoptheOriginalGangster says

Will we allow the intelligence agencies to overthrow a Democratically Elected President because they hate his policies?

So this is your story and you're sticking to it ?

The truth just unknowable ? OR it's just what you want it to be ? You say I'm going to have to believe the deep state version of reality, becasue the truth simply isn't knowable ?

You know what conspiracy theory I would find more believable than yours ? That Trump was actually following orders to pave the way for Biden to be President, by getting the public weary of this story long before the real campaign even begins. And by getting himself impeached. You should be looking forward to a Biden Presidency. Just think of all the things that will be blamed on him by right wing media. You'll have a blast ! Same for all you other TDS freaks. I half way wish for TRump to be reelected to have to deal with the problems that he is causing that haven't kicked in yet. Because the republicans are so effective at blaming others for the problems they cause - in part becasue of the cognitive challenges of their supporters.

OR perhaps it's not that Trump is being ordered to do it, that's a little too crazy of a conspiracy theory. But maybe Trump actually wants to run against Biden. Maybe the truth is Trump believes Biden would be easier to beat than Warren. That may be true. So he's getting this story under the bridge, and giving Biden the media focus. Which distracts from attention Yang or Warren could be getting.

Trump loves to dominate as many news cycles as possible, even when it seems bad for him.

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You laugh, but you know how much money this is going to generate ?

Hey, how is Avanetti, CNN's favorite Democratic Candidate, doing in the Polls?

Haven't heard much from him lately.

marcus says

So this is your story and you're sticking to it ?

The truth just unknowable ? OR it's just what you want it to be ? You say I'm going to have to believe the deep state version of reality, becasue the truth simply isn't knowable ?

My story is this:

The Whistleblower was a known entity, as serves as the excuse to reveal a whole bunch of shit.

(S)he was served a barium meal of 100000 lumens, glow-in-the-dark proportions.

We ain't seen nothing yet. But people are going to go down to the last second believing every "Dormant" Media Excuse, one after another.

This is going to be Avenatti/Cohen/Manafort x10000%

Its really nerve racking to live in a country that is on the brink and at risk. Add to that the possibility of TRUMP raping my daughter and the fact that we only have 9.5 years left on this planet. I say it's unsupportable.

marcus says

The truth just unknowable ? OR it's just what you want it to be

I actually believe that the only truth that exists is MATH...everything else is open to interpretation.

So what was Trump's motivation in his conversation with Zelensky? Do you seriously believe Trump is concerned about corruption in the Ukraine? And that he withheld aid to them because of the rampant corruption that is a very real issue in Ukraine? Is there any indication from Trump's actions to date that he cares about anything other than his own survival, both political and financial?

rdm says

So what was Trump's motivation in his conversation with Zelensky? Do you seriously believe Trump is concerned about corruption in the Ukraine? And that he withheld aid to them because of the rampant corruption that is a very real issue in Ukraine? Is there any indication from Trump's actions to date that he cares about anything other than his own survival, both political and financial?

Read the transcript for yourself. It's a very positive phone call. No quid pro quo whatsoever.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Unclassified09.2019.pdf

Do you believe Obama was serious about corruption in the Ukraine? It exploded while he was President.

ICornPoptheOriginalGangster says

Read the transcript for yoursel

I've read it. But what was Trump's motivation for making it?

And BTW it is not a word for word transcript. Apparently such a word for word transcript does exist and certainly in a matter of this importance should be made available to the Intelligence committees. Agree?

If no evidence of a crime has been submitted and the accusation made by someone who wasn’t a witness, and when the supposed victim himself (President of Ukraine) states that he was not in any way victimized, then how do we take people seriously who insist that not only did a crime happen but it’s serious and warrants impeachment? You have to do better than that. Seriously!

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Trump is such an idiot.

Trump Was Repeatedly Warned That Ukraine Conspiracy Theory Was ‘Completely Debunked’

President Trump was repeatedly warned by his own staff that the Ukraine conspiracy theory that he and his lawyer were pursuing was “completely debunked” long before the president pressed Ukraine this summer to investigate his Democratic rivals, a former top adviser said on Sunday.

Thomas P. Bossert, who served as Mr. Trump’s first homeland security adviser, said he told the president there was no basis to the theory that Ukraine, not Russia, intervened in the 2016 election and did so on behalf of the Democrats. Speaking out for the first time, Mr. Bossert said he was “deeply disturbed” that Mr. Trump nonetheless tried to get Ukraine’s president to produce damaging information about Democrats.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/29/us/politics/tom-bossert-trump-ukraine.html?action=click&auth=login-email&blockId=most-popular&fallback=0&geoContinent=NA&geoCountry=US&geoRegion=CA&imp_id=732923395&locked=0&login=email&module=trending&pgtype=Article&recAlloc=top_conversion&recId=1RZ3qupmeF4sE6PFNxrvcCu7eDA®ion=Footer

rdm says

I've read it. But what was Trump's motivation for making it?

Can you quote the quid pro quo part?

rdm says

And BTW it is not a word for word transcript. Apparently such a word for word transcript does exist and certainly in a matter of this importance should be made available to the Intelligence committees. Agree?

I imagine there's a recording of it, not sure there is another transcript. That's part of the conspiracy theory to push the idea it's been doctored somehow. The only thing that is not verbatim is that the Ukrainian is translated and there's no certification that it's 110% accurate in terms of translation. The recorder might have missed a "The" or "Also" somewhere.

I don't, because there's nothing in it that's actionable or admissible in Court, along with the 2nd/3rd hand addendum of the Whistleblower's claim. There is no there, there.

"911? My neighbor told me his doctor's cousin saw his daughter's boyfriend steal a bicycle he thinks didn't belong to him."
"Shit Lady, we'll get there right away and arrest the guy. C'mon Friday, we gotta get there right away. Dun Da Dun Dun..."

marcus says

Trump is such an idiot.

Which is why Biden is flipping out, demanding that Guiliani not be allowed on TV to talk about Shonkin's sworn affidavit and other records.

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000016d-7e93-d60b-a3fd-7ef321ba0002

Also, if there was a bet on it, I'd totally take the side that the whistleblower is connected to rabid anti-Trumpers.

This has barium meal/canary trap written all over it, so please keep pushing it. It's going to explode in the face of TDS OrangeManBad.

Valid to wonder why guiliani was asked to call instead of state or doj employees.

DNI and DOJ supposedly both investigated and found no evidence of pride quo quo or wrongdoing.

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For the literate among you.

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/whistleblower-says-trump-praised-a-ukrainian-prosecutor-on-phone-call-that-prosecutor-now-says-hunter-biden-didnt-violate-anything/

CornPoptheOriginalGangster says

The only thing that is not verbatim is that the Ukrainian is translated and there's no certification that it's 110% accurate in terms of translation. The recorder might have missed a "The" or "Also" somewhere.

Really, pray tell how this is known? Afraid of what might be revealed?

I dont believe it is a conspiracy theory to want to see/hear the complete word for word transcript, to me this is simply due diligence. What was released might be quite accurate but how can one know? Take Trumps word for it?

CornPoptheOriginalGangster says

I don't, because there's nothing in it that's actionable or admissible in Court

First that cant be known and second it is irrelevant this is an impeachment inquiry, similar to an investigation which might lead to an indictment, in this case impeachment. The trial is in the Senate, if it gets that far. How can there be a thorough and fair investigation without a word for word transcript?

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More for readers

https://www.justsecurity.org/66271/timeline-trump-giuliani-bidens-and-ukrainegate/

Tim Aurora says

abused the power of his office to benefit himself to the detriment of the public good,

Sounds like a politician.

marcus says

the fact that Biden was VP when his son got a sweet board of directors deal, is more than enough proof of a quid pro quo

Correct. What other business did Hunter Biden have on a Ukrainian board of directors?

TeaPot Dome scandal repeat. Except this time liberals defending the corruption. America sunk low in morality.

rdm says

Really, pray tell how this is known? Afraid of what might be revealed?

Biden on tape bragging of prosecutor removal or aid withheld, former pressured prosecutor sworn affadavit that he was removed due to Biden pressure. Totally unqualified cokehead son on board of company prosecutor was investigating, getting paid $50k per month.

Media reaction: dismissal as dormant

Third hand Allegations of quid pro quo clearly refuted by unclassified transcript

Demmedia reaction: another investigation, unsubstantiated claims transcript is flawed

Mythbusters busted the Bull in the China Shop ...

www.youtube.com/embed/unXVAfbA_xs

The Stock Market doesn't give a shit anymore.



Alot of the desperation is that Biden isn't going to be the nominee, he looks increasingly weak (quite aside from his family's deep corruption), and Warren - whom wealthy donors abhor - will probably be the nominee.

Tim Aurora says

Biden was doing the bidding of his administration and major governments and IMF .

His son was on the board of Bursima, despite havine NO QUALIFICATIONS other than being the VP's brood. You'll also have to explain his upcoming China Scandal.

Tim Aurora says

Hunter was not getting investigated at any time ( only his company and that was a dormant case). Regardless, Trump cannot start investigating his rivals on whim. It has to go through proper procedures.

Shonkin's sworn affidavit says otherwise. A sworn affidavit trumps any WaPo reporters' "According to (unnamed) people familiar with the story".

The President has the power and the duty to investigate potential criminal charges against private citizens. Just not use oppo research laundered through an Issokoff "Article" to get FISA warrants on a rival's staff.

CornPoptheOriginalGangster says

Shonkin's sworn affidavit says otherwis

Shokin ?

So the corrupt prosecutor that Biden got fired seems willing to, or even wants to get Biden in political trouble ?

That's the best you've got ?

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Even if Trump didn't win the popular vote, the 2016 election was a mandate that we have a self involved lunatic con artist as our President.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

WE MUST OBEY!

Exactly. And when he goes especially far off the deep end, it is the duty of the media to ignore it. Otherwise it's clearly their intention to make him look bad by reporting the things he says and does.

Never before has the media been so extreme in their willful portrayal of a President as being incompetent.

As long as he continues to strike fear and loathing in the Patnet deluded and deranged CommieFuck apparatchiks, he has my vote.

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Yes, Trump only seems like he's the antiChrist. It's his way of trolling those smarty pants elitist educated folks.

IT's actually quite refreshing (™)

jazz_music says

It’s Trump, only Trump is trying to make this thing into a reality. Trump needs it.

So Trump needs the thing that brings about an impeachment inquiry? Okay.... Twilight Zone.

rdm says

he withheld aid to them

Wasn't that Biden?

No Hall Pass from Pooty-cakes! Need we remind you again and again of the Russian Mobster co-signed Deutsche Bank loans, Donald?

Tim Aurora says

It has to go through proper procedures.

How do you know it hasnt?

Crowdstrike as well as US politicians from both sides of aisle were playing games in Ukraine. Sounds like executive branch is looking at all of it, as they fucking should.

jazz_music says

Notice there’s not very much interest in any of the news on any scandal about either of the Bidens, that’s why.

Are you using MSM attention as a proxy for reality?

^^ definition of brainwashed.

Only very stupid people believe Hunter Biden was paid $50k/month by a Ukrainian Nat Gas company because of his wastrel coke habits and not his last name.

That won't stop the WaPo and and Georgie Stephanopolous from trying to sell it, though.

A lot of this is the media trying to prove to themselves they can move the needle like they used to.