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If no evidence of a crime has been submitted and the accusation made by someone who wasn’t a witness, and when the supposed victim himself (President of Ukraine) states that he was not in any way victimized, then how do we take people seriously who insist that not only did a crime happen but it’s serious and warrants impeachment? You have to do better than that. Seriously!

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Trump is such an idiot.

Trump Was Repeatedly Warned That Ukraine Conspiracy Theory Was ‘Completely Debunked’

President Trump was repeatedly warned by his own staff that the Ukraine conspiracy theory that he and his lawyer were pursuing was “completely debunked” long before the president pressed Ukraine this summer to investigate his Democratic rivals, a former top adviser said on Sunday.

Thomas P. Bossert, who served as Mr. Trump’s first homeland security adviser, said he told the president there was no basis to the theory that Ukraine, not Russia, intervened in the 2016 election and did so on behalf of the Democrats. Speaking out for the first time, Mr. Bossert said he was “deeply disturbed” that Mr. Trump nonetheless tried to get Ukraine’s president to produce damaging information about Democrats.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/29/us/politics/tom-bossert-trump-ukraine.html?action=click&auth=login-email&blockId=most-popular&fallback=0&geoContinent=NA&geoCountry=US&geoRegion=CA&imp_id=732923395&locked=0&login=email&module=trending&pgtype=Article&recAlloc=top_conversion&recId=1RZ3qupmeF4sE6PFNxrvcCu7eDA®ion=Footer

rdm says

I've read it. But what was Trump's motivation for making it?

Can you quote the quid pro quo part?

rdm says

And BTW it is not a word for word transcript. Apparently such a word for word transcript does exist and certainly in a matter of this importance should be made available to the Intelligence committees. Agree?

I imagine there's a recording of it, not sure there is another transcript. That's part of the conspiracy theory to push the idea it's been doctored somehow. The only thing that is not verbatim is that the Ukrainian is translated and there's no certification that it's 110% accurate in terms of translation. The recorder might have missed a "The" or "Also" somewhere.

I don't, because there's nothing in it that's actionable or admissible in Court, along with the 2nd/3rd hand addendum of the Whistleblower's claim. There is no there, there.

"911? My neighbor told me his doctor's cousin saw his daughter's boyfriend steal a bicycle he thinks didn't belong to him."
"Shit Lady, we'll get there right away and arrest the guy. C'mon Friday, we gotta get there right away. Dun Da Dun Dun..."

marcus says

Trump is such an idiot.

Which is why Biden is flipping out, demanding that Guiliani not be allowed on TV to talk about Shonkin's sworn affidavit and other records.

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000016d-7e93-d60b-a3fd-7ef321ba0002

Also, if there was a bet on it, I'd totally take the side that the whistleblower is connected to rabid anti-Trumpers.

This has barium meal/canary trap written all over it, so please keep pushing it. It's going to explode in the face of TDS OrangeManBad.

Valid to wonder why guiliani was asked to call instead of state or doj employees.

DNI and DOJ supposedly both investigated and found no evidence of pride quo quo or wrongdoing.

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For the literate among you.

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/whistleblower-says-trump-praised-a-ukrainian-prosecutor-on-phone-call-that-prosecutor-now-says-hunter-biden-didnt-violate-anything/

CornPoptheOriginalGangster says

The only thing that is not verbatim is that the Ukrainian is translated and there's no certification that it's 110% accurate in terms of translation. The recorder might have missed a "The" or "Also" somewhere.

Really, pray tell how this is known? Afraid of what might be revealed?

I dont believe it is a conspiracy theory to want to see/hear the complete word for word transcript, to me this is simply due diligence. What was released might be quite accurate but how can one know? Take Trumps word for it?

CornPoptheOriginalGangster says

I don't, because there's nothing in it that's actionable or admissible in Court

First that cant be known and second it is irrelevant this is an impeachment inquiry, similar to an investigation which might lead to an indictment, in this case impeachment. The trial is in the Senate, if it gets that far. How can there be a thorough and fair investigation without a word for word transcript?

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More for readers

https://www.justsecurity.org/66271/timeline-trump-giuliani-bidens-and-ukrainegate/

Tim Aurora says

abused the power of his office to benefit himself to the detriment of the public good,

Sounds like a politician.

marcus says

the fact that Biden was VP when his son got a sweet board of directors deal, is more than enough proof of a quid pro quo

Correct. What other business did Hunter Biden have on a Ukrainian board of directors?

TeaPot Dome scandal repeat. Except this time liberals defending the corruption. America sunk low in morality.

rdm says

Really, pray tell how this is known? Afraid of what might be revealed?

Biden on tape bragging of prosecutor removal or aid withheld, former pressured prosecutor sworn affadavit that he was removed due to Biden pressure. Totally unqualified cokehead son on board of company prosecutor was investigating, getting paid $50k per month.

Media reaction: dismissal as dormant

Third hand Allegations of quid pro quo clearly refuted by unclassified transcript

Demmedia reaction: another investigation, unsubstantiated claims transcript is flawed

Mythbusters busted the Bull in the China Shop ...

www.youtube.com/embed/unXVAfbA_xs

The Stock Market doesn't give a shit anymore.



Alot of the desperation is that Biden isn't going to be the nominee, he looks increasingly weak (quite aside from his family's deep corruption), and Warren - whom wealthy donors abhor - will probably be the nominee.

Tim Aurora says

Biden was doing the bidding of his administration and major governments and IMF .

His son was on the board of Bursima, despite havine NO QUALIFICATIONS other than being the VP's brood. You'll also have to explain his upcoming China Scandal.

Tim Aurora says

Hunter was not getting investigated at any time ( only his company and that was a dormant case). Regardless, Trump cannot start investigating his rivals on whim. It has to go through proper procedures.

Shonkin's sworn affidavit says otherwise. A sworn affidavit trumps any WaPo reporters' "According to (unnamed) people familiar with the story".

The President has the power and the duty to investigate potential criminal charges against private citizens. Just not use oppo research laundered through an Issokoff "Article" to get FISA warrants on a rival's staff.

CornPoptheOriginalGangster says

Shonkin's sworn affidavit says otherwis

Shokin ?

So the corrupt prosecutor that Biden got fired seems willing to, or even wants to get Biden in political trouble ?

That's the best you've got ?

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Even if Trump didn't win the popular vote, the 2016 election was a mandate that we have a self involved lunatic con artist as our President.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

WE MUST OBEY!

Exactly. And when he goes especially far off the deep end, it is the duty of the media to ignore it. Otherwise it's clearly their intention to make him look bad by reporting the things he says and does.

Never before has the media been so extreme in their willful portrayal of a President as being incompetent.

As long as he continues to strike fear and loathing in the Patnet deluded and deranged CommieFuck apparatchiks, he has my vote.

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Yes, Trump only seems like he's the antiChrist. It's his way of trolling those smarty pants elitist educated folks.

IT's actually quite refreshing (™)

jazz_music says

It’s Trump, only Trump is trying to make this thing into a reality. Trump needs it.

So Trump needs the thing that brings about an impeachment inquiry? Okay.... Twilight Zone.

rdm says

he withheld aid to them

Wasn't that Biden?

No Hall Pass from Pooty-cakes! Need we remind you again and again of the Russian Mobster co-signed Deutsche Bank loans, Donald?

Tim Aurora says

It has to go through proper procedures.

How do you know it hasnt?

Crowdstrike as well as US politicians from both sides of aisle were playing games in Ukraine. Sounds like executive branch is looking at all of it, as they fucking should.

jazz_music says

Notice there’s not very much interest in any of the news on any scandal about either of the Bidens, that’s why.

Are you using MSM attention as a proxy for reality?

^^ definition of brainwashed.

Only very stupid people believe Hunter Biden was paid $50k/month by a Ukrainian Nat Gas company because of his wastrel coke habits and not his last name.

That won't stop the WaPo and and Georgie Stephanopolous from trying to sell it, though.

A lot of this is the media trying to prove to themselves they can move the needle like they used to.

I nominate her for this month's Jussie Award !

Dude, how come you don't have HEYYOU on ignore since 2007 or so? Everybody else does.

It’s fun to be outraged about stories that kids made up! It’s even more fun to wish death on kids in response to fake news!

There’s a reason why I have that idiot on ignore. It took him many years to earn it.

She probably did get the idea of Jussie Smollet. If bullshitters get so much fame and attention, it's worth trying.

OccasionalCortex says

@Quigley If I had him on ignore, then you'd never have seen this because I wouldn't have. :)

Yep, I did see this original story a few days ago. Seemed unbelievable that kids would be that cruel, in such an obviously racist way.

IMPEACH GIULIANI, TRUMP'S HIMMLER!

The article is bullshit. Everybody knows that greased dreadlocks over two weeks old can only be removed with a band saw.

To be fair, I'm sure there's been plenty of BS right posts on patnet, especially since our current Clown-n-Chief was anointed.

But who is Hey You really?

marcus says

Shokin ?

So the corrupt prosecutor that Biden got fired seems willing to, or even wants to get Biden in political trouble ?

That's the best you've got ?

Sworn Affidavit AND Biden's Own Words

As for corrupt, you only have WaPo baseless assertions from "People familiar with the story" that Shonkin was corrupt.

Shonkin is all but broke; his replacement drove a Bentley though he made a fraction of the US Median Household income.

Whereas Trump Impeachment brigade has nothing but “I was not a direct witness to most of the events described” from a whistleblower, whose core accusation is completely refuted by the transcript. Now in desperation, the Schiffheads are claiming it's not a perfect transcript.

The latter is absolutely nothing to open an investigation on, and would be rejected in any court. You couldn't even get a warrant from such hearsay "evidence".

Biden Corruption Quid Pro Quo: Two unimpeached, official documentary sources - Biden's own Mouth and Shonkin's Sworn Affidavit
Trump Quid Pro Quo: Nothing, now that the Whistleblower's Addendum, itself admitted hearsay, is blown apart by the Transcript.

2 Biden - 0 Trump

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

and lipstick!

as well as "dipstick"

Trump could shoot a baby on 5th avenue and not lose supporter from a single cultist!

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

TRUMP SAVED AMERICA ! FROM TOTAL DESTRUCTION!

And his awkwardness, narcissism, incompetence and "lack of political correctness" are so refreshing (™)

BigFrank says

Trump could shoot a baby on 5th avenue and not lose supporter from a single cultist!

He already did that and his popularity polls spiked upward (again).

Tim Aurora says

Trump has gone berserk

Well it seems to me like it's the democrats. I didn't even vote in the 2016 election, just assumed Hillary would win and that it wouldn't affect me one way or the other. Everyone said Trump didn't have a chance. I got up a couple of times on election night and turned the TV on expecting a victory for Hillary and was absolutely astounded to see Trump had won! I thought the spectacle of arenas full of grown people crying like they'd been denied their hearts' desire was the funniest thing I've ever seen and it still amazes me to this day. The same thing when it came to the Electoral College and the Kavanaugh hearing, people going berserk, clawing at the doors was the silliest thing I've ever seen. What I don't understand is, if you can buy the things you enjoy and have a comfortable life, what difference does it make who is president? I don't think I ever heard my parents, or the 12 couples who were their circle of friends, all born five years either side of 1900, mention politics in any context. They all seemed perfectly satisfied with everything and I don't understand the hysteria coming from people on the left, which are not many degrees today removed from communists.

Clever ape not so clever. It’s all right, even great once make mistakes.

Got tired of his posts 99% almost seem like a bot.