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logic says

mell says

2017-18 season had 80k deaths. What's your point? It's like a severe influenza season.

That is my point 80k deaths is a servere flu season, not to be confused with a "typical" or "normal" flu season. We will be blowing by a "typical" or "normal" flu season in a few days.

Sorry, I'm just being logical.

Sure but we don't lock down the whole country during a severe flu season, in fact we did nothing. We will likely not reach the 80k this season, next season the counter starts anew like with the flu, counting deaths throughout the year would be cheating unless you do it with the flu and common cold as well. This won't be the last time this happens, but if we have a pandemic every few decades or make it every decade and lose a couple hundred thousand, how does this make any difference in the world as a whole with its growing population of close to 8 billion. It's insane to cause widespread economic devastation, depression, drug use and suicide in the tens of millions for this. Since you apply logic you should agree with this, Spock would have weighed the greater good for the young masses over saving a few who mostly already lived 80% or more of their lives. So should we.

You could probably "save" hundreds of thousands of lives every year dying of environmental causes, pneumoniae, lung cancer, you name it by shutting down all industrial production and all car/plane/ship traffic, INCLUDING electric cars which kill as many people if you take manufacturing and small particle dust into account. CV-19 is no different just because it's contagious. If you shut down everything you would likely also shut down all technological and medical progress, and of course cause world-wide economic and real starvation and depression, suicides etc. There are always trade-offs and this one is clearly not worth it.

The plan is to restore solvency to SS by reducing payees.

Y says

The plan is to restore solvency to SS by reducing payees.

Not a bad plan if you strictly go by fairness, clearly they are taking out far more than they paid in. As much as I dislike the mostly sjw leftoid millenial attitude, they are not the ones who caused the deficit and budget imbalance. Look no further than the boomers.

The only thing that chart shows is that the usa is paying a heavy price for its fructose addictions...

None and I mean NONE of those women in that article look like women that you could get to go to a Trump concert, much less pay them to attend.
Conservative Smart women that voted for Trump and will vote for Trump. Don't look Berkeley Professors, and NGO Chairs.

FYI, there are plenty of Blue Suburbs, what a dishonest piece of garbage reporting. Absolutely fake news.

Yeah, go... go... go ask Huma Abedin, if she's going to vote for Trump.

said Sanchez, a life coach and mother of five in this prosperous desert community. (She is a distant relative of Republican Utah Sen. Mitt Romney.)

Sanchez considers Trump “reprehensible as a human being” and the Republican Party morally bankrupt. “I couldn’t be a part of it anymore,” she said, and as a result, at age 40 the newly registered independent is weighing her first-ever Democratic vote for president.

“It’s amazing the change, in just the last few years,” said Q. Whitfield Ayres, a pollster who has spent decades strategizing for Republican campaigns and causes. “It’s not any one place. It’s everywhere.”

The RINO decades are Over!

I like how so many people, that were Bernie supporters, that now that they have the Sads, call themselves "Independents".
Let's be perfectly clear, People that voted for Trump in 2016 are not going to abandon him and vote for Joe Biden. Or who ever the DNC finally rolls the dice on.

Tim Aurora says

mell says

You could probably "save" hundreds of thousands of lives every year dying of environmental causes, pneumoniae, lung cancer, you name it by shutting down all industrial production and all car traffic, INCLUDING electric cars which kill as many people if you take manufacturing and small particle dust into account. CV-19 is no different just because it's contagious. If you shut down everything you would likely also shut down all technological and medical progress, and of course cause world-wide economic and real starvation and depression, suicides etc. There are always trade-offs and this one is clearly not worth it

Again false equivalency. I am not against opening the economy and take some dead COVID-19 patients. I am against deaths before we take some valid protective measures such as test and trace . I also do not want to increase the hospitalization burden rate beyond capacity.


There is no hospitalization burden as of now in 99% of areas. They deferred all elective surgery and turned away other patients to be ready for the "surge" which never came. Many of those patients in need of their continued treatment or surgery you mentioned are currently being held at arms bay by unreliable models and population-control fantasies. The severe Covid-19 patients need a bed and a ventilator and some drugs, they don't need any of the hospitals complex devices and procedures necessary to other patients. If they're so worried about a surge, keep the makeshift field hospitals in conference centers and tents that they just shuttered again, since no large gathering will be allowed anyways, and pay those suffering hotels/businesses some rent. Let the real hospitals be open for all the other patients and open up already. That way you'd also reduce contagion within the hospitals. This is beyond bullshit at this point and the majority of the population is held hostage. I hope the protesters won't give up to get their lives back until we opened up everywhere to a reasonable level again. Face-masks will help keep the spread at bay.

logic says

mell says

Since you apply logic you should agree with this, Spock would have weighed the greater good for the young masses over saving a few who mostly already lived 80% or more of their lives.

I think I can agree with that. Did captain Kirk always side with Spock's logic? You should be able to agree with this, Spoke would have needed to know how the virus affects people before he would have been able to make any logical determination.

Agreed - lol Kirk would have battled Spock to death to save just one life he was fond of and risk the lives of many - but that didn't make him right. And in this case it is even more severe since we're destroying the future of the youth to save the old. Now we should respect and protect the old to a reasonable extent, but not by sacrificing those who have their whole life ahead.

Tim Aurora says

mell says

There is no hospitalization burden as of now in 99% of areas.

It is with lock down. And where did you get the 99% rate . Can you please provide refernce.

The only area where they ever had to use makeshift hospitals mentioned in the news/media was NY and that was short lived. What other state had to resort to mass field hospitals? Positive proof is required to justify continued harsh measures, not negative. I know here in CA there's zero excess burden right now, of course they cleared the hospitals of most other patients. They should move CV-19 patients outside of the regular hospitals into makeshift ones like China did, there's plenty of space right now since all conference centers are shut down for months to come.

OR.....SIP had absolutely nothing to do with anything because the Panic Pandemic was made up to begin with. To say that draconian shutdown had anything to do with a non result that came from a manufactured entity is more manufactured entity. False cause and effect.

logic says

mell says

The only area where they ever had to use makeshift hospitals mentioned in the news/media was NY and that was short lived. What other state had to resort to mass field hospitals?

Maybe Louisiana? Irregardless, the point of SIP was to keep hospitals at a manageable level so it appears SIP has been working.

Of course keeping people away works to some extent - the question is how many more cases we would have had without it. I bet if you let people return to their offices practicing increased hygiene (masks where necessary) and open up with restrictions you'd see less than 20% increase in total cases if at all. The vast majority of infections even before the SIP where within the family like with every contagious illness. Just keep social distance to the old and weak where necessary. It's very difficult to say to what extent the SIP reduces transmission if you had no tests before the SIP to begin with - no data no comparison.

Tim Aurora says

comaprisons

I hate those places. They are usually a death sentence.

ThreeBays says

Keyword is "still". Step back and ponder why you're not thinking this through beyond today?

Because it doesn't matter. The goal posts keep moving on this. No one knows this virus outside of knowing who it's killing. I posted the article in another thread(s). 20% of our deaths are in nursing homes ALONE. That's not accounting for retirement communities where the residents are fully capable of taking care of themselves and live independent lives with other underlying conditions. 55+ communities or whatever the allowable legal code is in your area. ALL of these place were mostly wide open in March.

It's extremely likely we could shut down these two sources of death and drop the death rate by 40-60%. Likely higher. At this point it's probably too late, hence why I'm saying tomorrow doesn't matter from your above quote. There are fewer and fewer victims to kill as the days go by. This ship has sailed and there was zero way to prevent that outside of China and the WHO not being cunts. Destroying the economy and politicizing this in many cases is pure evil.

Beside staying at home, this whole thing doesn't even move the needle for me personally. So this isn't emotion of not having a job, money, food or even a loved one that's died. My wife and I can live for a couple years without a single paycheck. This is pure bullshit and history is going to tell a different story when this is all said and done. We'll end up with a semi effective vaccine where there are still 10's of thousands of deaths every year, just. like. the. flu.

And he had the perfect position to analyze it looking right up the ass of the infected rider...
logic says

You should be able to agree with this, Spoke would have needed to know how the virus affects people before he would have been able to make any logical determination

He saved about 1,970,000 lives according to Dr Fauci and Dr Bitchx

ThreeBays says

WookieMan says

At this point it's probably too late, hence why I'm saying tomorrow doesn't matter from your above quote. There are fewer and fewer victims to kill as the days go by. This ship has sailed and there was zero way to prevent that outside of China and the WHO not being cunts. Destroying the economy and politicizing this in many cases is pure evil.

It's a fair point, the ship may have sailed or no matter what we do this is going to keep coming back. 1% or whatever are going to die, mostly the aged, and that's that. I don't agree with this since I don't see it as inevitable. We're pretty good at coming up with cures, and I think we will whether that's TrumpPills or Remdesivir or whatever with a bit of time.
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How is it you know any of this?

I can't tell you how it fills my heart with joy that the DemMedia can no longer control the narrative through the mass media.

It's ironic, as soon as the millennials graduated, the first generation of newsrooms to embrace unmitigated "advocacy journalism", is the same moment they began to lose power.

The Media is one of the least trusted institutions in America, particularly in reference to the Wuhanvirus:

https://news.gallup.com/poll/300680/coronavirus-response-hospitals-rated-best-news-media-worst.aspx

I eagerly await the layoffs that are coming in early 2021, as they do after every election cycle.

Even Science and Space stuff is no longer relevant in Major Media, it's either retarded level dumb-down, months behind the times, and most often, the Female "Science Education" Degree holder diversity hire doesn't understand the subject. JM Godier, Issac Arthur, Felix of Whataboutit?, Scott Manley, Robert Zimmerman, etc.

Either Trump saved 97% of the people who were going to die from this disease according to the scientists who you leftists worship, and you are a bitter whiny small person who can’t even admit when a person you dislike does a good job. OR the scientist have no freaking clue what they are doing, this was one of the largest overreactions in world history, and all future warnings from “experts”, including global warming need to be taken with a grain of salt.

Pick one.

ThreeBays says

Tenpoundbass says

He saved about 1,970,000 lives according to Dr Fauci and Dr Bitchx

That's right, he had to walk back everything he said, listen to Dr Fauci and Birx to save 1,970,000 lives.

Shame that right now he has the loaded gun pointed at his foot again.

Should have done nothing about travel from China because RACIST

2/3 of sampled people are communists.

Also stupid website to some dudes blog lol. Oh how low we have fallen to get the dose of TDS.

ThreeBays says

That's all he talks about right? And that's supposed to make up for sitting on his ass for the next 48 days as 430,000 people still traveled to the US from China after the travel ban and we got a massive outbreak anyway?

I'd argue that if it was thought that it is a dangerous disease then instead of screaming ORANGE RACIST! HATES CHINESE! everyone should have agreed that closing travel with China is a good thing, and should have closed all other international travel as well. Instead, D politicians screamed ORANGEMAN BAD!
Would you like a few quotes from international health organizations and/or US politicians about how Trump was wrong about restricting Chiinese travel?
Also, I tend to disagree that we needed any restrictions other than self-isolating old farts and sick people, but that is beyond the point. Trump closes border, he is RACIST! He does not close border, he is incompetent and does not do enough!

The media has been lying it’s ass off since the cv was first discovered. US residents are right to distrust them. The fucking LA Times runs this today:

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-17/usc-coronavirus-survey#null

“Less than half of L.A. County residents still have jobs amid coronavirus crisis“

While a true statement, the effect is that most readers will interpret that as half of the people in LA County lost their jobs due to the shutdown. Actually it’s about 16%. Bad, very bad, but not 50%. Furthermore the Times writers and editors knew exactly what they were doing.

This is called deception. Lying. The Times and other US msm do it like its second nature. They do not consider it immoral or wrong. They are leftists with no compass guided by religion. Really they have become satanic at this point.

The Psychopath Media. The time of yelling fire in the movie theater to cause a stampede is long past. Psychopaths don't care if a hundred people lose a hundred dollars, as long as they gained one dollar.

ThreeBays says

rd6B says

I'd argue that if it was thought that it is a dangerous disease then instead of screaming ORANGE RACIST! HATES CHINESE!

Trump closed travel, then downplayed the disease. For a month and a half. Isn't that odd? Why did he close anything if he didn't think it was dangerous?

Easy to explain, he closed it early which was the right thing to do but thought it would stem most potential transmissions. He didn't know and noone did how many had already been infected by that time. So he talked it down like most people would have as many were caught off guard by the quick spread. He changed his tune when he learned about the severity, as we all did, Fauci, CDC, WHO... Still by closing travel from China he was ahead of most.

Can you fucking Orange man bad, infected TDS libtards just give the man the credit he so richly claims:

"President Trump absurdly claimed he saved “billions” of lives with his measures against the coronavirus.

Said Trump: “It could have been billions of people if we had not done what we did.”

The entire population of the U.S. is just 330 million."

The guy is a wizard he can take a fake disease that is going to go away magically in April and then save billions of people from something that was a hoax. Could Jesus do that? I think not.

ThreeBays says

Trump closed travel,

did he?

then downplayed the disease. For a month and a half.

Yes

"The big picture: At least 430,000 people have flown to the U.S. from China since Dec. 31, when China first informed the World Health Organization about cases of novel coronavirus in Wuhan"
and
"Nearly 40,000 Americans and authorized travelers have come into the U.S. from China since President Trump imposed travel restrictions more than two months ago"
and
"New research indicates that the coronavirus began to circulate in the New York area by mid-February, weeks before the first confirmed case, and that it was brought to the region mainly by travelers from Europe, not Asia."

ThreeBays says

That's right, he had to walk back everything he said, listen to Dr Fauci and Birx to save 1,970,000 lives.

He put that sawed off punk mother fucker out front and center to spread that lie.

All of the decades of hard work progressives, Liberals, Socialists and Commies, but I keep repeating myself.
Is all gone, thanks to this stupid stunt. But you keep posting Communist Propaganda.

Nobody I know is bitching about Trump acting too slow. They are Bitching about the son of a bitch rotten Democrats they are going to Vote out in November.

Good Times, good times...

Tim Aurora says

Or you the alt-right media and Trump, which just wanted everyone to burn in the theater.

https://patrick.net/post/1330788/2020-03-15-obama-and-trump-response-to-pandemics

Ceffer says

The Psychopath Media. The time of yelling fire in the movie theater to cause a stampede is long past. Psychopaths don't care if a hundred people lose a hundred dollars, as long as they gained one dollar.

What alt right media?

He's not campaigning he's exposing Biased media lies.

You just have the loser's perspective in all of this. Yes, you see! This is what we in our winner's circle call Winning.
And it just burn's the loser's ass, doesn't it?

Go have a cry with Fatback Gerald, Crying Chuck, and Drunk Again Nancy.

You mean those bitches China and Washington Post? No there is nothing those commie, god hating, baby killing institutions won't lie about. Not 1 thing....

He was kinda busy getting impeached.

Who fucking cares? We all saw what was happening around the world. All of the losers that want to blame Trump for a virus you didn't catch raise your commie little pathetic hand?

There's a Fucker, that's what's wrong with this country!

thomasdong1776 says

Poor baby can't walk and chew gum at the same time.

Biden?

thomasdong1776 says

More than a dozen U.S. researchers, physicians and public health experts, many of them from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, were working full time at the Geneva headquarters of the World Health Organization as the novel coronavirus emerged late last year and transmitted real-time information about its discovery and spread in China to the Trump administration, according to U.S. and international officials.

Was that information different from what WHO was communicating officially? Because on Jan 14th WHO was saying that the virus can't transmit between people. And they still say there should be no travel retrictions to this very day. If that "dozen of our guys inside the WHO" where saying the same bullshit, what's the use? If they were saying something different, it shows that WHO was willing to bend the truth in order to appease their CCP masters.

What a weak fucking post by an obvious Chinese shill. 80% of America and the world hates your guts right now. We aren’t accepting your pathetically transparent lies anymore. And the WaPo has next to zero credibility with the public.

Tim Aurora says

14 January 2020

WHO's technical lead for the response noted in a press briefing there may have been limited human-to-human transmission of the coronavirus (in the 41 confirmed cases), mainly through family members, and that there was a risk of a possible wider outbreak. The lead also said that human-to-human transmission would not be surprising given our experience with SARS, MERS and other respiratory pathogens.

Official WHO website:



Disease outbreak news
14 January 2020
....

As the traveler did not report having visited the market linked to most of the other cases, it is vital that investigations continue to identify the source of infection. To date, China has not reported any cases of infection among healthcare workers or contacts of the cases. Based on the available information there is no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission. No additional cases have been detected since 3 January 2020 in China.

Additional investigation is needed to ascertain the presence of human-to-human transmission, modes of transmission, common source of exposure and the presence of asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic cases that are undetected. It is critical to review all available information to fully understand the potential transmissibility among humans.
...

https://www.who.int/csr/don/14-january-2020-novel-coronavirus-thailand/en/

TEOTWAWKI says

Based on the available information there is no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission. No additional cases have been detected since 3 January 2020 in China.

They're both WHOPPERS of a lie, and it's scary that there are health officials who would have enough lack of shame to print the latter remark.

Washington Post.

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