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jazz_music says

richwicks says

If I'm incorrect about my assessment about my (incorrect) belief of your thinking

The subject is spelled out in the OP along with 5 or so variations.

I’m done talking about this

If you want assess people negatively you can make your own post

How am I "assessing people negatively"?

This is another trick in a debate - this is called a strawman.

But I'm not in a debate and neither are you. If I'm incorrect, explain how I'm incorrect. I do not want to stupidly win an argument. I may very well be wrong, but you have to explain how I am otherwise I will not see how I am wrong. There is no shame in being incorrect in my opinion, there is shame in continuing a misconception when you realize it is though.

I'm extremely pliable in that I will readily agree when I'm error but I need to understand when and how I'm wrong.

I do not think less of you because I think you are incorrect. We all have infinite ignorance, I just think you lack knowledge, which is not a personal failure in any way. Having said that, it could be ME, that has a lack of knowledge. I cannot know unless you show me to be incorrect.

When our number 1 disease expert Dr. Fauci claiming this wasn't a danger to Americans on Jan 24th...the experts were not prepared for this. And was it their fault? No. China deliberately withheld information.

richwicks says

How an I "assessing people negatively"?

You didn't. It's a trend, hence Patrick's comment #12.

You're fighting a losing battle in the sense you're not going to change other people. You can keep trying, but you're not the first to go down this path here. It's unfortunate some cannot see their flaws and admit they were wrong. But hey, what are you gonna do?

The apparent source of the article:

former Obama administration officials said.

Everybody else was unnamed.

According to sources familiar with my Dong, it's 12" long and women find it irresistible.

Those former ex-girlfriends claiming it's smaller than their clitoris are biased.

M134 armed labradoodle cannibal anarchy - the final solution.

logic says

NoCoupForYou says

The apparent source of the article:

Still the fact remains, Trump is the President. Being the president he is ultimately responsible. I believe in top down leadership. Just as Obama is ultimately responsible for the fuck ups of his administrations response to the swine flu (do note economy not shut down) so to is Trump responsible for the response or lack thereof his administration.

Who knows if Trump was handed a pandemic response Playbook. If he was and he ignored it that just makes his response that much worse.

Based on the sentiment and statements from the EU and WHO, Trump was ahead of them on the "pandemic response". Some other countries were even better. Like New Zealand.

WookieMan says

You're fighting a losing battle in the sense you're not going to change other people.

Oh, that's absolutely not true.

Some people are mindless cultists, some are blatant propagandists, but they are generally rare. In either case, if you cannot communicate with somebody, you can at least point out why they make that impossible.

jazz_music appears to be a mindless cultist uninterested in whether he's incorrect, willing to censor when people disagree with him, because he knows he's wrong. That's an awful state to be in. That's a losing battle and some people fight it for a lifetime.

jazz_music says

The people get crumbs at best just to quiet them down

And yet they all have the latest smart phone and have enough food to become obese.

Tim Aurora says

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I am an immigrant who travels to 10 different countries and have family in 3 different nations. They all agree that Trump is stupid

That says more about your family than Trump.

Woof

We are going to need mass civil disobedience to escape this.

He is there to throw a bucket of water on Putin and Trump in case of penis captivus. Wouldn't want a PutinDoodle in the White House.

I’m taking my kids to the beach this weekend. Fuck quarantine!

Shaman says

I’m taking my kids to the beach this weekend. Fuck quarantine!

Bring a film crew so we can see when the lifeguards tase your kids for not maintaining social distance.

Be safe. There are a lot of people out there who are willing to hurt you in order to protect you.

Most US hospitals are so empty that they are having financial difficulties.

The COVID-19 fatality rate is reasonably similar to the flu, judging by the recent NY state numbers. Probably identical, if you subtract out the fatalities in the sick, elderly population. In fact, the flu is deadlier in children. COVID-19 is probably deadlier in the elderly population, who have no immunity to the virus, and cannot develop immunity due to their age. This population has residual immunity to the flu that they developed when younger with functional immune systems.

Oddly enough, we are acting to prevent the development of immunity by locking people down. And preventing the future elderly from having immunity when they get to that stage.

Our leaders are elderly imbeciles.

willywonka says

Oddly enough, we are acting to prevent the development of immunity by locking people down. And preventing the future elderly from having immunity when they get to that stage.

Our leaders are elderly imbeciles.

Truth.

If they are testing positive, but showing no symptoms, why is this a problem?

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Yeah, having the ICU stressed isn't enough to offset that.

CV apparently often requires prolonged ventilator care, that is, sometimes for multiple weeks. I would guess that hospitals have death panels that decide whether or not patients get that care (although they obviously don't call themselves death panels).

It's one of those things that don't get discussed. Does someone with no insurance and no net worth get that kind of care ? Probably depends on a variety of factors, such as the financial backing and status of the Hospital, and how overloaded their ICU is. If they have the capacity (rooms, personal, ventilators) without taking on a lot of additional costs, then why not right ? Do they have to keep those resources available for the insured people that come in later today or tomorrow ? Glad I don't have to make those type of decisions.

Heraclitusstudent says

Rate of infection in NY is doubling every 3 days and accelerating.
New projections show need of 140,000 hospital beds, way higher than current capacity.
Worse: need 40,000 Intensive Care Units beds, where the current capacity is 3000.

And Manhattan is still above water.

marcus says

Glad I don't have to make those type of decisions.

Agreed. It's probably also pretty interesting that 99% of hospitals are not having to make these decisions and in fact are in financial trouble. Oh well 🤷‍♀️

NY just asked the USNS Comfort to be detached elsewhere - beds not needed. And they're shipping ventilators to other states. But, better more than less I guess.

marcus says

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Yeah, having the ICU stressed isn't enough to offset that.

CV apparently often requires prolonged ventilator care, that is, sometimes for multiple weeks. I would guess that hospitals have death panels that decide whether or not patients get that care (although they obviously don't call themselves death panels).

It's one of those things that don't get discussed. Does someone with no insurance and no net worth get that kind of care ? Probably depends on a variety of factors, such as the financial backing and status of the Hospital, and how overloaded their ICU is. If they have the capacity (rooms, personal, ventilators) without taking on a lot of additional costs, then why not right ? Do they have to keep those resources available for the insured people that come in later today or tomorrow ? Glad I don't have to make those type of decisions.

Hospitals aren't overloaded. The Feds pick up $36k of cost for ventilator treatments so it is more of an issue of whether too many are put on them.

zzyzzx says

If they are testing positive, but showing no symptoms, why is this a problem?

They spread it... blah... blah....

If you don't want it, then just stay home. I'm going out tonight and having a fire with the neighbors. We'll stay spread out, but one is a nurse and another worked in the medical field that has past contacts. They not at all concerned about hanging out. Like zero. The one nurse is worried about losing her job. This is where we're at.

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100% consistent with what I said.

I am getting suspicious there's a conspiracy of silence about the results of the April 10 property tax collections in these parts.

We could probably save every Federal and Municipal job and balance State budgets if government workers and their unions were willing to reform their crazy out of control pension system. We could probably give them a pay raise too!

socal2 says

balance State budgets if government workers and their unions were willing to reform their crazy out of control pension system

Yes. Through bankruptcy.

Patrick says

We are going to need mass civil disobedience to escape this.

Except it wouldn't be Civil disobedience. That's what the Commies have been wanting Trump supporters to do all along. Now they would settle for Americans regardless if you like Bernie or Trump. Antifa raps on the head were paid for by the same people now, that will demand a put down the rebellion if people resist.
Now is the time, for either Barr quit his "Ima gonna do this and Ima gonna do that!" bullshit and get his ass to work.

Also the game they are playing on giving the swamp enough hooks and lines to set themselves. He also keeps giving them the opportunity to get ahead and work on their 10 ways to Sunday to get back at him, and the American People.

If they aren't up to it, it's going to take more than protesting and rioting to stop the commie take over.

one benefit from the Wuhan Flu is that it has allowed Civil Disobedience to put down around the world where it was a thorn in the NWO side.

It will be a damn shame if our best patriots are in a peaceful rabble when the UN attack helicopters and Chinese Tanks come rolling in.

Tim Aurora says

@Socal, I hate to say this , but how are we doing now

Still Much better than Europe. 20,000 French deaths vs. 50,000 US Deaths, but the USA is more than 5 times the population.

7000 People are dead in Madrid, Spain alone, which is far smaller than NYC.

Tim Aurora says

I am an immigrant who travels to 10 different countries and have family in 3 different nations. They all agree that Trump is stupid

So? HOW is he stupid? So far he's not started a new war yet. You know how long it's been since we had a president that didn't start a new war in his first term? Jimmy Carter was the last one.

Tim Aurora says

Yeah that was a Republican ploy and now you punish democrats for that.

The Democrats aren't any different. If Al Gore was elected president in 2000 (well in truth, he was) we would have gone to war with Iraq because "we" (our government) supported mean old Saddam Hussein in the 1980's and we had to correct that awful mistake - we have a duty to the Iraqis to do it! All the dummy republican faithful would have opposed it, all the dummy democratic faithful would have supported it and there would be IDENTICAL results.

Obama lied about why the US attacked Libya - it wasn't to prevent a humanitarian crisis, if it was, the US wouldn't have left it in civil war with operating slavery markets. Obama lied why he attacked Syria, it wasn't because Assad was using chemical weapons against his own people, because the United States simply doesn't care about human rights. He's just another sociopathic puppet - just like George W. Bush was. He bombed 7 nations over 8 years - can you even name them all? He's the reason there's a refugee influx into Europe - he was creating them.

The only difference between the two establishment parties are what lies they tell you to explain away whatever atrocity they are told to commit. That's what you are voting for, what BS you get fed.

jazz_music says

President Donald Trump has left the impression with foreign officials, members of his administration, and others involved in Iranian negotiations that he is actively considering a French plan to extend a $15 billion credit line to the Iranians if Tehran comes back into compliance with the Obama-era nuclear deal.

I'm going to demonstrate something which will probably be lost on you:

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=President+Donald+Trump+has+left+the+impression+with+foreign+officials%2C+members+of+his+administration%2C+and+others+involved+in+Iranian+negotiations+that+he+is+actively+considering+a+French+plan+to+extend+a+%2415+billion+credit+line+to+the+Iranians+if+Tehran+comes+back+into+compliance+with+the+Obama-era+nuclear+deal.&t=canonical&ia=web

Notice how many websites and "news" sites have that exact same story, repeated all over the place. Look at who is the "journalist" that wrote that article.

Erin Banco and Asawin Suebsaeng on https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-flirts-with-dollar15-billion-bailout-for-iran-sources-say

Laurence Lewis on https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/9/15/1885047/-Donald-Trump-is-a-deeply-stupid-man-who-routinely-gets-his-ass-kicked-on-the-world-stage

Nancy LeTourneau on https://washingtonmonthly.com/2019/09/12/trump-tries-to-extinguish-the-fire-he-started-with-iran/

You're just printing propaganda. Do you know how often the same 6 words in the English language are repeated when you're not quoting somebody? It's one in millions. It's easy to find out if you're reading propaganda by just taking out 10 words from a sentence, and plugging it into a search engine. Repeatedly, you will find the same "story" told by multiple people on multiple sites, attributed to multiple authors.

jazz_music says

I copied some extremely well written references

You enjoy them here commercial free.

Yes of course I did not make it up on the spot, THAT DOES NOT MAKE IT PROPAGANDA.

I pointed out that "news" sources copy the same story repeatedly, give them different bylines and different authors, and falsely claim they are the authors. That's what makes it propaganda. I even gave you links so you could verify what I was saying was correct. I felt it was a waste of time and I said so when I wrote it.

The reason the same story is repeated, nearly verbatim, by multiple "authors" is because you're reading propaganda, from an unknown source.

Remember when the Mueller Report was being claimed by a lot of "reporters" to have damning evidence that Trump has colluded with Russia and they even told you multiple ways he supposedly had? Didn't you notice that they never ever cited the page number on the report to support their claim? It was because they were simply lying. They never cite original sources. When I was more naive I would believe some BS news story and then go to the source to confirm it expecting to find it. That was decades ago.

We do not have a news media in the United States at all today. Nobody that has any interest in what is going on listens to "news" anymore. We all know it's fake news, we know it's propaganda. It's been propaganda since the 2nd Iraq invasion, and it was mostly propaganda during the first. Remember this?

www.youtube.com/embed/LmfVs3WaE9Y

That's the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador at the time. Her testimony was critical in solidifying American citizen's support for war against Iraq. She was lying. What she describes in that video never happened. She was coached by Hill and Knowlton - a PR firm, a propaganda firm. Everything she says in that video is a lie.

Nothing you see or read in "establishment" news can be trusted at this point. Nothing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1UOQSrRPfE

It doesn't matter. Some people prefer the dream.

jazz_music says

Some people prefer the dream.

All this means that you still don’t think Trump is a stupid fucking bastard

No, it means I understand the battle isn't between the left and the right, it's between the government and the rest of us. I don't care if Trump is stupid or not, I only care about results. He's the first president since Jimmy Carter that hasn't begun a new war this far into his first term. That's an improvement, and it's been a damned long time since I've seen an improvement.

jazz_music says

Because it could be lies like the war against Iraq

This makes absolutely no sense given the context of what you wrote. That's a non sequitur.

I was trying to point out that the media is full of crap and that you are naive to continue to place any amount of trust in it.