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Shaman says

personal

@Shaman I had to mark that as personal because it is, but I'm grateful to have learned the term "sea lioning":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning

The troll feigns ignorance and politeness, so that if the target is provoked into making an angry response, the troll can then act as the aggrieved party.[6][7] Sealioning can be performed by a single troll or by multiple ones acting in concert.[8] The technique of sealioning has been compared to the Gish gallop and metaphorically described as a denial-of-service attack targeted at human beings.[9]

An essay in the collection Perspectives on Harmful Speech Online, published by the Berkman Klein Center for Internet & Society at Harvard, noted:

Rhetorically, sealioning fuses persistent questioning—often about basic information, information easily found elsewhere, or unrelated or tangential points—with a loudly-insisted-upon commitment to reasonable debate. It disguises itself as a sincere attempt to learn and communicate. Sealioning thus works both to exhaust a target's patience, attention, and communicative effort, and to portray the target as unreasonable. While the questions of the "sea lion" may seem innocent, they're intended maliciously and have harmful consequences.

mell says

I'm not worried about or fixated on it. Neither should black people or the millions of protestors and rioters be fixated on Floyd.

Bingo. And that was also the point of my above comment. If you want to make things about race and be fixated on something, why shouldn't it be black on white crime? Murder is just one proponent of crimes. Given the demographic breakdown of race in this country, blacks are exponentially more likely to cause harm against white people. Yet we're burning the place down for a small fraction of 1% of crimes against black people.

Do I hate them? No. But people need to stop pretending that statistics on this stuff doesn't exist. I don't know the reason and don't have the answer. I have a purely analytical approach, blacks on paper are more racist based on crime statistics against another race. Change my mind.

HEYYOU says

Kill another unarmed black?

Why do you insist of calling people by the color of their skin? Sounds racist to me.

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

anti Trump genius.

There’s an oxymoron.

rdm says

In 2016, there were 533 whites murdered by blacks, and only 243 blacks murdered by whites

people are fixated on the murder of one black person, and if another black person is murdered in the next 90 days the crazies will likely burn every major city to the ground. People are insane I guess.

Fixed it for you!

HEYYOU says

Kill another unarmed black?

Cool. Kill another unarmed white like they do as well. Probably never happens to Mexicans, so they're likely safe. Never has an Indian (native or foreign) been unarmed and killed either. What is so special about black people? Look into it and you'll find an answer.

The people that created the monstrosity called public sector unions, are now pissed off that they allow criminals and ass hoe's to police their streets with impunity. This is what you voted for. So now towns across the country that think you're doing it wrong have to suffer through idiots breaking and burning shit. How cute. These people are spoiled horse taint.

Tim Aurora says

You still do not get it. Have you ever talked to the blacks in the hood and how police harrases them. I have talked and I have stories to tell. It is not just one person killed. It is about Police treating Blacks as "shit"

PeopleUnited says

people are fixated on the murder of one black person, and if another black person is murdered in the next 90 days the crazies will likely burn every major city to the ground. People are insane I guess.

Fixed it for you!

If that’s the case, wouldn’t your best route be to to remove legal probable cause?

Also perhaps educate people in those areas that the don’t have to talk to police, known as a consensual encounter?

I haven’t seen you, nor any BLM, mention these things at all. Democrats hold power in California, Minnesota, and elsewhere and could change the laws in those states. Frankly they are civil liberties matters and I’d support some ideas in this regard.

But I haven’t heard anyone say boo about any of this.

Tim Aurora says

Patrick, I have been called libtards and many other names. I would have to use a different word, TCS ( Trump Cult Syndrome) comes to my mind. Would that be OK?

Right, I'm trying to get people to avoid libtard as well, as that is also divisive.

No, TCS would not be OK and you know why. The goal is to get us to think about our common interests and not just our differences.

Tim Aurora says

Patrick, I am sorry that you have had a negative experience with Blacks but that should not be the reason to vilify all blacks.

When did I vilify all blacks? Don't assume too much.

Patrick says

When did I vilify all blacks? Don't assume too much.

Duh! If you don’t adopt 100% of the Democrat party progressive line that being white is the original sin and black people are innocent in every situation then you are an unrepentant racist deplorable!
There is no middle ground, no gray areas, and definitely no room for truth or statistics that disprove their narrative! Truth is racist!

Tim Aurora says

It is about Police treating Blacks as "shit"

Even the black officers in Democrat jurisdictions? Are they racist too?

Tim Aurora says

Never expected anything better than that from you.

You do understand what he's saying, right? There are places in this country where the BS that happened in Minneapolis would never happen. A singular event cannot be cast upon the entire population and country. There are normal places out there where a cop like this one would have been fired after a dozen plus complaints. We all get to suffer because the city of Minneapolis/SP had shit policy and procedures, along with a dem. theory of unions being good, all voted on by the people that are now pissed. Do you not see the hypocrisy? It's pure lunacy at this point.

Patrick says

No, TCS would not be OK and you know why

So too by the same standards TDS is not OK?

socal2 says

Lots of local Democrat leaders support them.

Kim Gardner, the Soros installed prosecutor of St Louis just let every single rioter and looter arrested this week out of jail.
https://twitter.com/Eric_Schmitt/status/1268195075953176576

wow, this is true. soros donates to her campaign: https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/st-louis-circuit-attorney-candidate-defends-accepting-super-pac-campaign-money-from-liberal-billionaire/article_11036aaf-4b1b-58cd-871f-4084f1ec1485.html
and theres plenty of coverage on her releasing the looters.

soros seems to be involved in damn near everything dem. im guessing dems pay him back by doing his biddings or by letting him in on govt secrets so he can profit on it, from which he takes a slice of the money and donates back to democrats which reliably show their "appreciation" for his "donations".

edit - it appears soros also donated to the district attorney that let off jussie smollett.

Somebody at MoveOn hit "Publish" instead of "DM"

rdm says

Patrick says

No, TCS would not be OK and you know why

So too by the same standards TDS is not OK?

Patrick has said as much. So no, TDS would not be okay. He's also said things like libtard would be bad. We'll see how it plays out, but he's not picking a side with regards to what we call each other in some acronym. I like a lot of users on both sides here, but never understood the use of stuff/words/acronyms like that. I may have slipped up in the past myself, but it's generally something I avoid using. It adds little to the conversation.

personal

rdm says

WookieMan says

Patrick has said as much. So no, TDS would not be okay

My main problem with such acronyms is that they reduce complex issues to the simplistic and show a general laziness and or inability to respond to a question posed. They are in a way simply a FU or possibly a Foff by another name.

Tim Aurora says

You still do not get it. Have you ever talked to the blacks in the hood and how police harrases them. I have talked and I have stories to tell. It is not just one person killed. It is about Police treating Blacks as "shit"

Yet this happens in big liberal/progressive cities with Democrat mayors, Democrat city councils, Democrat Prosecutors and Democrats Chiefs of Police.

Why do black people keep electing these progressive racists that treat them so badly?

socal2 says

Democrats Chiefs of Police.

It was interesting I heard the Chief in NYC (white BTW) interviewed yesterday. He seemed more afraid of the the Police union then the Mayor. In Minneapolis only 6% of the police force lives in the city.

Tim Aurora says

Yes, some of them definitely are.

Onvacation says

Even the black officers in Democrat jurisdictions? Are they racist too?

Most dangerous and racist people are white liberals according to Malcolm X.

www.youtube.com/embed/a5HyL6QNGbM

If you can't watch, you can read it too:

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/8869214-the-white-liberal-is-the-worst-enemy-to-america-and

In Minneapolis only 6% of the police force lives in the city.

Good to see that policy coming back to bite them in their ass.

Police should be required to live in the area they patrol.

It's happening folks - hearing rumbles through the grapevine in some smaller companies where black employees, even if fairly or even overrepresented relative to population, are demanding corporate changes. Expect lawyers, HR and many more tied up in this bullshit and many smaller companies bite the dust among scurrying to get fair representation of black, white, yellow, green, brown, blue, tranny, lgbtxyzawesomo or facing bullshit lawsuits. It's only going to be harder and harder to be an entrepreneur because of leftoid bullshit and race baiting like this. Divide and conquer brought to you by the leftoids in sponsorship with globalist billionaires and their corporations. you'll reap what you sow. I just feel sorry for the small business entrepreneurs already battered by Covid-10 bullshit lockdowns. Make our economy great and free again and vote the leftoid bums out!

NoCoupForYou says

rdm says

Do you have a legit source for this? Do you know personally anyone killed by a Black person?

Here we go again. In a few weeks, it'll be the same question as if it was not already answered with indisputable numbers that repeat the same trend year after year after year.

Why don't you just bookmark the source then, and the next time he asks, you immediately produce it - because although I've heard of this statistic, I don't readily have proof.

What are the exact numbers? Doesn't anybody know how to use a bookmark?

rdm says

My main problem with such acronyms is that they reduce complex issues to the simplistic and show a general laziness and or inability to respond to a question posed. They are in a way simply a FU or possibly a Foff by another name.

I tend to agree. When people use them, it's generally obvious who it's directed at and adds nothing to the conversation. I get a moment of frustration or something lost in conversation, but if it's being used constantly it's kind of annoying. Both sides do it, so it's not unique to any one user.

rdm says

He seemed more afraid of the the Police union then the Mayor.

Bingo. How many cops would be canned if light was shed on the inner working of the police force? I support cops, but at the same time hate their structure. Why should a union have so much power over elected officials? The public didn't elect the union and the public is now forced to negotiate against themselves regarding wages, all while the union protects actual fucking criminals. It's pure stupidity.

Antifa Victory: LA Mayor will cut police funding and restrict anti-gang enforcement. https://t.co/2x35LKIUhf via @Deadline

— Tom Fitton (@TomFitton) June 4, 2020

It's all part of the "Great Awokening". The typical White Liberal is now further to the left than the typical Black person (most of whom are themselves Registered Dems)

https://www.vox.com/2019/3/22/18259865/great-awokening-white-liberals-race-polling-trump-2020

We've documented this before - it's not the Right that has moved Right, but the Liberals who have moved Hard to Left on almost every issue over the past 30 years. Republicans stayed Economically Right (the only exception being to turn against Unlimited Trade Deficits) and moderated on Social Issues.

Can't make this shit up.

www.youtube.com/embed/D1FfSUpP_VE

socal2 says

Can't make this shit up.

www.youtube.com/embed/D1FfSUpP_VE

So the women who are doing dirty manual labor are "using their white privilege" now? Some fucking privilege.

socal2 says

Can't make this shit up.

www.youtube.com/embed/D1FfSUpP_VE

Karen strikes again, bonus points for "white privilege" mention. Maybe it's one of those trans gender Karens.

I hope like fuck you're right, and Corona is as deadly as Dr Frauduci says.
This last weekend should wipe out the whole Democrat demographic from 16 to 35.

That would be optimal for America's survival but we all know it's bullshit and a political hoax.

But My GOD a Boy can dream can't he?

Leftists, 2000: John Ashcroft put clothes on a nude statue, barbarism!
Leftists, 2010s: Animated Characters wearing Bikini Chainmail in Comics must be Banned - it's Barbarism.

WookieMan says

There are normal places out there where a cop like this one would have been fired after a dozen plus complaints.

The MSM keeps circling back to 16 or 17 previous complaints, but none of the so-called "news" outlets have been able to establish the validity or nature of the complaints. There's just one news report of a Kristofer Bergh, who claimed Chauvin inappropriately pulled a gun on him (and that does seem inappropriate of Bergh's claim is completely true). But that's it.

So, is 17 complaints in 20 years in a big city police force normal? How many people file complaints because they were mad that Chauvin caught them breaking the law? How many suspects, while running from Chauvin with the shoplifted goods still in their hands, complained of injury from being tackled to the ground?

SunnyvaleCA says

So, is 17 complaints in 20 years in a big city police force normal? How many people file complaints because they were mad that Chauvin caught them breaking the law? How many suspects, while running from Chauvin with the shoplifted goods still in their hands, complained of injury from being tackled to the ground?

We don't know. Unions are the protectors of these bad actors. They're not going to share the data. I think most good cops would rat out the bad one's, but the bad are protected. It's a flawed system. Not just with cops, but teachers, etc. Public sector unions are awful for the public.

I also get your point about frivolous complaints, but at some point when you rack enough up, there has to be some validity to them. Or there at least has to be some oversight and investigation into whether they're frivolous or not. The police unions will fight to the death to protect their own from ever being examined in that manner. These are policies that the left thought would be good for votes. Keep these people employed and they'll vote for you. They (cops) generally do vote left.

I know the system. I know multiple Chicago cops. I know the mayor and chief of police (who was considered for CPD chief job) in Aurora, IL (2nd largest city in IL) personally. The system is set up to get entrenched votes. If they told the truth the whole thing would backfire. So they deflect to racism. No normal person thinks racism is good. So blacks think the government is out to help them by pointing out the one bad cop is racist. All the while, the system is stabbing blacks in the back with the structure of police departments, which they essentially voted for in large cities. It's a self fulfilling prophecy if that makes sense.

FortWayneIndiana says

Karen strikes again, bonus points for "white privilege" mention. Maybe it's one of those trans gender Karens.

The ladies should have stated that they invite people of all colors to clean graffiti.

If even 90% of these were actual Trump Voters, I'll eat my hat.

Here's a random one who just looked like a punchable Liberal:



"Male Beauty Blogger" "Bicurious LGBT Friendly". Yeah, okay you voted Trump in 2016. Nice your account is only from Feb 2019.

WGAF?

Tim Aurora says

Russia hacked DNC

The hacking isn't the issue, it's the leaking of the emails that are alleged to have been exfiltrated from their server. And then we have sworn testimony from CloudStrike's CEO: "Crowdstrike says it believes Russians hacked into DNC. But it admits to not having direct evidence that Russians actually exfiltrated the emails from DNC. This would track w/ what Assange has said: Russia may have hacked DNC, but they didn’t provide stolen emails." ( https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-vaughn/2020/05/08/huge-crowdstrike-ceo-has-no-direct-evidence-russia-stoleexfiltrated-dnc-emails/ )

The guy who leaked the emails was murdered and his wallet left on the ground in a robbery not caught on tape in a city full of CCTV.