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jazz_music says

WookieMan says

I asked for a link showing deaths

No I just said there were 8,000 deaths in a week and that is a big upswing. WTF

In this thread you did not do that. You posted a link about cases. Cases don't matter, which is the image you posted and linked. Show me this link to an uptick in deaths. Not buying it.

A vaccine isn’t going to happen prevent this disease/virus from spreading. There are multiple strains just left like the flu, you can’t stop this thing by vaccinating. Slow it down a bit, sure, but stopping your life until a vaccine is found is fucking absurd.

jazz_music says

There is a lot of reporting in that link WITHOUT using the interface at all.

You said it was an interactive map. It's not. Don't be upset. Sorry?

I skimmed a paragraph or two and it's bull shit. Much like the right wing bull shit. I'm not for sale, I'm 36 and essentially retired through my own work. Stop being conned. Your beliefs are not based in reality.

COVID-19. Let them die. I'm doing my part and traveling as much as allowable and not wearing a mask. I sneeze on people too.

ForcedTQ says

A vaccine isn’t going to happen prevent this disease/virus from spreading. There are multiple strains just left like the flu, you can’t stop this thing by vaccinating. Slow it down a bit, sure, but stopping your life until a vaccine is found is fucking absurd.

No, it's tyranny which the left loves. They love telling other people what to do.

WookieMan says

richwicks says

Wow - 4000 cases??

Let's see, Florida has a population of 21,992,985

Combine that with more testing. I guess people don't critically think anymore and realize that more testing is going to result in more cases

I don't even believe the statistic. 4000 is an awfully round number. I was suspicious about this pandemic before, but I flat out don't trust it now.

I'm sure there is a virus, but I could even be wrong about that. What's I'm really positive about is that this lockdown had to do with something other than a virus. I can't believe the government suddenly was concerned about the safety and welfare of citizens. I mean heck, they are actively encouraging rioting and looting, and they are the ones that setup the conditions to have this sort of police force.

richwicks says

I'm sure there is a virus, but I could even be wrong about that.

If it was just the US, I'd be on board with this line of thought. No one is wrong to question it for sure, we all should question everything. I'm at 3-4 friends of friends/family/co-workers that have supposedly died from it. Most were in bad shape and/or completely unhealthy at a young age. It was like the quarter on those one gaming machines hanging off the edge. Just got that extra bump and boom, dead.

I have zero faith in the death statistics which is all that matters. That's where I think the lying is coming from here in the US. There's zero reason we should have exponentially more deaths than China with 25% of their population, better health care and less density. It doesn't add up.

Can we just call this bull shit out for what it is? Goodness, they aren't even trying anymore. These articles were posted 14 minutes apart.

Goran_K says

Goodness, they aren't even trying anymore

I guess when you're used to Fox News and Brietbart, seeing the way a real source of news works can be difficult to deal with ? One says "even" the other says "despite."

It's as if you think that what the WHO says is NPRs opinion ?

Just an observation, the protest photo shows people wearing masks. I wonder whether the photos coming out of Trump rallies will show most of the people wearing masks. I am curious about that, becasue the choice will be largely the decision of Trump and his campaign. They can encourage masks and even provide them for those that don't have their own, or not.

I will be very curious to see which one they choose.

Goran_K says

Can we just call this bull shit out for what it is? Goodness, they aren't even trying anymore. These articles were posted 14 minutes apart.

Shhh, @Goran_K

Those aren't rallies. Those are MAGA Riots. Trump will be having a MAGA Riot.

Everybody knows Riots don't spread COVID.

NoCoupForYou says

Shhh, @Goran_K

Those aren't rallies. Those are MAGA Riots. Trump will be having a MAGA Riot.

Everybody knows Riots don't spread COVID.

Up to 100 protesters for riots!

But only "12 people for social gatherings".

Goodness.

marcus says

Goran_K says

Goodness, they aren't even trying anymore

I guess when you're used to Fox News and Brietbart, seeing the way a real source of news works can be difficult to deal with ? One says "even" the other says "despite."

It's as if you think that what the WHO says is NPRs opinion ?

Just an observation, the protest photo shows people wearing masks. I wonder whether the photos coming out of Trump rallies will show most of the people wearing masks. I am curious about that, becasue the choice will be largely the decision of Trump and his campaign. They can encourage masks and even provide them for those that don't have their own, or not.

I will be very curious to see which one they choose.

NPR stopped being real news a long time ago.

Imagine the McLaughlin Group today.

Would be called the Shakalaka King Group.

McLaughlin Voice:
"White Supremacism: When will they kneel to the Black Kings? Cokehead Robins, with the Purple Mohawk and Victorian Wallpaper Cleavage Tattoo, what say you?"

Tim Aurora says

That would be Roger Stone

What did Stone go to prison for?

Whereas Seth Rich went bye-bye just a few days after Podesta's email.

NoCoupForYou says

Sometimes one's bias is out in the open when they won't state the big truths.
RepCon scum G.W.Bush & his scum RepCons killed 4801 American servicemen based on lie about WMD.

I mostly just ignore you because of the constant "RepCon scum". It may be a prejudice, but I feel people that talk in propagandist fashion ought to be ignored.

HEYYOU says

RepCons that believe Trump will believe anything

We believe that the mere mention of his name will trigger you...And you will once again post 100 words that nobody but yourself cares about..

I have to admit I never liked or trusted Kushner, especially after his involvement in selling US weapons to the Islamic Dictatorship of Saudi Arabia.

Trump's poll numbers are actually showing a long term upswing. Salon is bullshit of course.

Tim Aurora says

Black police officers also mistreated their brothers

Were they racist?

Question. Have white people been mistreated by police? If the answer is yes, I'm not certain where you're going with this. A small fraction of police are bad and mess with everyone. This isn't exclusive to blacks.

We have specific data on crimes. For some reason, at some point (I wonder why) they decided to track it by race. Police don't make you commit more crimes. They react to calls first and then once they have that information they may police an area more. It's then up to those citizens to just not commit a crime so that police interaction isn't necessary.

Chicago just had its most violent weekend in decades. During a stay at home order, where the vast majority of businesses aren't even open. Do you not understand why there is more police presence and patrolling in these areas of high crime? They can't even listen to a simple request to sit on their asses at home. If left on their own, there'd literally be hundreds dead every weekend. These are places that are more dangerous than fucking Syria. That's the current state of affairs in many cities.

So please, let us know what you're talking about.

Careful wookie, your common sense may blow Time mind.

Cops are lazy. I don't believe they are simply driving around looking for black folks to harass when they could sit in a donut shop instead.

FuckCCP89 says

Cops are lazy. I don't believe they are simply driving around looking for black folks to harass when they could sit in a donut shop instead.

True. And they're also more likely to die at the hands/gun of a black person as well. It's a two way street. Motivation to police out of control people is low, and technically smart if you enjoy living.

If black people simply stopped killing each other at alarming rates, all these issues would go away. And if there is still a policing problem after that, get the unions out of the way and allow municipalities and cities to fire shit head cops. It's not racist to acknowledge that one race, statistically speaking is killing their own and causing a bunch of other people harm.

Interested to see where Tim takes this. Blacks bitching about police harassing them because they likely did something wrong is laughable. Like you said, they'd rather go grab some donuts and coffee and sit in their squad car. But no, they have to respond to calls about people doing dip shit activities.

Bullshit make believe story.

No judge...not even the most left leaning kook...would allow story after story of harassment by police during voir dire. One or two might start. Then it would be ended.

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

No judge...not even the most left leaning kook...would allow story after story of harassment by police during voice dire. One or two might start. Then it would be ended.

I luckily don't have to do jury duty due to my families involvement with the legal system, so I'm not fully aware of the process. But if you wanted to stick it to cops, wouldn't you stay mum about your past experiences with police so you could put them behind bars if it was a case involving a cop?

It defies logic to bitch about police at jury duty and get yourself kicked off the case. Defense attorneys would love to have a black person saying they love cops on a police crime allegation. I'm sure it was the public education system that gave them such great logic skills, that they continue to vote for people that love unions that then protect the people that kill them (very rarely mind you).

I swear that people got an ice cream cone in July, in Phoenix and are wondering why it's melting and blaming the ice cream place.

Tim Aurora says

While I was doing jury duty, during the jury selection, the district lawyer asked everyone ( under oath) if we has any misgivings about police. One after another, most of the blacks had harrowing stories about police harassing them. So it is not just about one death, It is also not about black vs white racism as Black police officers also mistreated their brothers. It is about the culture of harassment for black folks at the hands of police.

People would say darnest things in order to GTFO from jury duty, duh.

WookieMan says

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

No judge...not even the most left leaning kook...would allow story after story of harassment by police during voice dire. One or two might start. Then it would be ended.

I luckily don't have to do jury duty due to my families involvement with the legal system, so I'm not fully aware of the process. But if you wanted to stick it to cops, wouldn't you stay mum about your past experiences with police so you could put them behind bars if it was a case involving a cop?

It defies logic to bitch about police at jury duty and get yourself kicked off the case. Defense attorneys would love to have a black person saying they love cops on a police crime allegation. I'm sure it was the public education system that gave them such great logic skills, that they continue to vote for people that love unions that then protect the people that kill them (very rarely mind you).

When selecting a jury, the judge and sometimes the attorneys are allowed to question the jurors. Usually they just write the questions on a board and the prospective jurors are asked to answer them out loud one by one.

Usually just general questions about where you are from, what work you do, etc. in one trial there was a specific question about the jurors opinion of guns. In another it was a question about if you could be impartial about a case involving child sexual abuse. I answered that I could not and was asked to elaborate. In retrospect I should have asked to speak to the judge in private but I spilled my guts about past social work I had done in front of the entire jury pool. The judge was not pleased. I was removed, and harshly admonished out of the sight of the jury pool.

Tim Aurora says

This was under oath.

It's impossible to prove the alleged "encounter" has never happened, so it's perfectly safe. Besides, I once saw with my own eyes as several witnesses lied under oath, were immediately exposed for it by hard evidence (phone records) and the judge simply let it go.

WookieMan says

Interested to see where Tim takes this.

I think we already know: “it’s all whiteys fault! Vote for the rich old white guy with a D by his name!”

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

When selecting a jury, the judge and sometimes the attorneys are allowed to question the jurors. Usually they just write the questions on a board and the prospective jurors are asked to answer them out loud one by one.

Usually just general questions about where you are from, what work you do, etc. in one trial there was a specific question about the jurors opinion of guns. In another it was a question about if you could be impartial about a case involving child sexual abuse. I answered that I could not and was asked to elaborate. In retrospect I should have asked to speak to the judge in private but I spilled my guts about past social work I had done in front of the entire jury pool. The judge was not pleased. I was removed, and harshly admonished out of the sight of the jury pool

That sounds like what I thought it would be. The two times I've been summoned have been recent. Almost any attorney, either defense or prosecution in my area will know of my dad and sister. All the judges would know them. So I've yet to actually even get to the physically showing up portion of jury duty. Part of me is pissed I'm not able to experience it. Especially now with nothing to do.

One thing I know about jury selection is that they LOVE teachers of any kind. My wife is an educator and she always gets selected.

When are we going to talk about African Americans refusing to form families and raise the children they create?

That is the genesis of ALL of their problems.

Until we have that discussion - BLM, Democrats and the rest of the SJW harpies can fuck off blaming their poverty and ignorance on racists in Democrat run cities.

Even today, the BLM manifesto praises the culture of not getting married and criticizes the nuclear family.

WookieMan says

Defense attorneys would love to have a black person saying they love cops on a police crime allegation.

Right, but the defence won't and they have their quota of jury candidates they can kick out.

I'm former military, and an engineer: that's two strikes for most defense lawyers. This guy is probably conservative and has half a brain. We might not be able to influence this character too easily. He might actually try to interpret the facts.
Dissssssss-Misssssed!

They too fucking dumb to vote, they think the police are at the polls, because there was an all points bulletin put out on them.
Must be from all of criminal deviant shit, they do, they have guilty mind and can't stand to look the gentry in the face.

Shaman says

One thing I know about jury selection is that they LOVE teachers of any kind. My wife is an educator and she always gets selected.

They hate PhD's in exact sciences...have never been selected, and neither have any of my colleagues.

rd6B says

They hate PhD's in exact sciences...have never been selected, and neither have any of my colleagues.

That makes sense. You might want to hear evidence and use reason rather than emotion in making a decision.

Spreading disinformation is always served with a sprinkling of truth. It is so effective, that it is used in spy vs. spy psyops, and even those trained in basilisk skepticism (as opposed to idiotic altruism) can't always tell the difference to sort out what is real from what isn't.

Best not to swallow the sprinkling of truth as bait for the poisoned bolus.

You still looking at newspapers to give you unbiased information? just shows how easy it is for you to quote ton of main stream media (left media), but only one on the right which is FoxNews! See for yourself, left is main stream, it owns most media, all social media, left owns this country. What does right have? Oh yeah Tucker Carlson who speaks for America, and a few bloggers who constantly find their content disappear from social media once left finds them and targets them.

Left tells us they are for women, but ignore and bash millions of women who are pro life. Left tells us they are for blacks, but ignore all blacks who are conservative or republican.

Welcome to dictatorship and censorship, left is winning, and left might win. But with that win, you as an American won't win, you'll lose just like the rest of us. Because eventually just like nazi's they'll "come for you too - and there will be no one left to speak for you".

Another way to get news is to simply look for opinions that do not match, and compare. Have to think for yourself as always. Media isn't anyones friend, they are manipulative mother fuckers.

FACEBOOK?

They censor. Fuckerberg works for the government. Think that little fucking thief is a genius? Don't you wonder why he's able to steal without consequences?

The point of Facebook is to gather as much information as possible on the public, and to censor what they are able to see. Try to find a Russian on Facebook to talk with. Try to find a Ukrainian. A Syrian, a Libyan.

Tim Aurora says

Really. You guys want to put up weird sites and Federalist and expect us to take that as news

The reason the Internet was created was so you could talk to ANYBODY on the planet, for nearly 0 cost.

The reason Facebook, Google, Youtube, and Twitter were created was to keep you in an unreality bubble - in a propaganda bubble.

You can't take anything as "news". Anything made as a claim is just a claim. For example when you read "The Mueller Report said X", if the author didn't give a page number, and a quote - ignore it. If you cannot comment on the article to the author - it's a lie. If there is a supposed quote and page number, check to see it is actually there, and it wasn't taken out of context.

There is literally a handful of journalists in the entire Western media. Almost all of them lie, nearly none of them provide references. People are still largely brainwashed and want to believe somebody else - the truth is, you can't trust anybody, and you shouldn't when you have the most powerful research interface that's ever existed in all of history in front of you now. What took me days of research in a library in 1990, takes me minutes today.

I thought people would know this back in 2000 - people are just becoming aware of it now. Taking fucking long enough.