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Shaman says

indc says

These govt jobs are reserved for specific group of people. i.e part of a hindu-caste for lack of better word. Once someone converts they are kicked out of that group and lose that privilege.

My initial statement is made 100% stronger by your statement. You are a racist, classist bigot and so are all of your kind. There’s a reason that Hitler admired the Hindu cult.

Ok, maybe I need to give you more clarification. These jobs are nothing but giving money to "oppressed" castes. People even bribes to get these jobs. People from other castes cant even get these jobs.

I too dont like this. I hate these caste discrimination policies of the govt. But any govt which try to remove these caste based reservations loose power in next election cycle.

Since it is still part of the constitution, I think people should follow it. Just like you are ready to take up a AR to defend your 2nd amendment right.

In a way, the Hindu system of class is elegantly effective. You automatically know in what class/caste you belong. You’re born into it and can’t leave. Frustrated by this? Well, let’s wave some mystical BS wand about and talk about karma and reincarnation. If you’re a really good little sewer cleaner in this life, maybe you can move up from Dalit to … something slightly higher in the next life. Maybe you could be that guy who sells roasted dog meat alongside the street! Ah, hope!
Meanwhile, the rigid class system means that the rulers don’t have to worry about popular uprisings. Participants in such would incur terrible karma and probably be reborn as stink bugs. It’s terribly convenient for those at the top! It might be the absolute best system for ensuring generational tyranny, and in fact has been working for thousands of years!
As bad ideas go, the Hindu system is absolutely AWESOME for dictators, tyrants, and monarchs!

If only those pesky British hadn’t interfered with their infecting ideas about class mobility, peaceful resistance to tyranny, human rights, and Christianity! India would still be exactly the same as it was 5,000 years ago!

Shaman says

As bad ideas go, the Hindu system is absolutely AWESOME for dictators, tyrants, and monarchs!

Ah, I never thought too deeply about Hinduism as a religion. I always thought it sounded personally a far better religion vs Christianity where you get one shot to avoid eternal hell. I always liked the chance at re-inventing yourself in the next life. But all religion is a tool for the elites to control the masses. It also helps keep people in line and in the upside deal with immense grief. Fear of eternal painful hell for being bad on earth is a powerful tool. I always liked the idea of a fresh start and a finite end to pain and suffering vs dooming people to eternal hell. Heaven also seems difficult to fathom with “hedonistic adaptation” making it impossible to be eternally happy… or eternally in pain for that matter.

Anyone notice this guy never says one single thing about Muslims in India, that gang rape, poison weddings, chops off heads, and acid burns people, and the honor killings of their female relatives?

Know what the reward is for work well done?
More work. Usually more important work.

Why should the soul be any different if indeed cosmic forces conspire to sort us into categories of good and evil, constructive and destructive?

I sort of like the idea of reincarnation for that reason. People who live an imperfect life could be forced to do a “do-over.” Without knowledge of their previous life, of course. Just to see if their soul could be improved with another try at being a good person.
After all, if the soul exists, and there is plenty of anecdotal evidence to suggest that it does, it’s more likely to be a fractured particle of the Divine than a completely independent chunk of metaphysical ectoplasm. So when the soul is ejected from a host body, it goes back to the Divine, which can then either keep it close or send it to experience Creation once more.

After all, an omnipotent God would (by definition) not be limited by the rules and constraints of His own Creation! So how could He experience it? Only by releasing a particle of Himself to be placed in a limited piece of that Creation. Powerless, yet powerful at once, human beings stride this backwater portion of the universe, striving for power and love, unaware we are already powerful and loved. We just have to realize the Truth of what and who we actually are.

Tenpoundbass says

Anyone notice this guy never says one single thing about Muslims in India, that gang rape, poison weddings, chops off heads, and acid burns people, and the honor killings of their female relatives?

@Tenpoundbass
Muslims don't run Bharat, They run Pakistan.
Muslims can only be blamed for pathetic condition of that country including violation of rights of minorities.

https://www.vaticannews.va/en/world/news/2020-08/pakistan-national-minorities-day.html
Pakistan’s minorities continue to suffer discrimination
Pakistan on August 11 observed the National Minorities Day to honour the services and sacrifices rendered by the country’s religious minorities for the country. However, minorities in the Muslim-majority country continue to face discrimination.

indc says

Shaman says

indc says

These govt jobs are reserved for specific group of people. i.e part of a hindu-caste for lack of better word. Once someone converts they are kicked out of that group and lose that privilege.

My initial statement is made 100% stronger by your statement. You are a racist, classist bigot and so are all of your kind. There’s a reason that Hitler admired the Hindu cult.

Ok, maybe I need to give you more clarification. These jobs are nothing but giving money to "oppressed" castes. People even bribes to get these jobs. People from other castes cant even get these jobs.

I too dont like this. I hate these caste discrimination policies of the govt. But any govt which try to remove these caste based reservations loose power in next election cycle.

Since it is still part of the co...

Why only reservation for Hindooo lower castes?
Once they become "Christians" and leave the cult of their oppressors, It is not like discriminatory past goes away.
Christians are forced to call themselves Hindooo in a fear to lose monetary benefits only reserved for Hindoo using religious discrimination.
India being extremely poor( 80% live under $2 a day and without toilets) , Money is hard to come by.
Poor people should be allowed to get benefit from both Vatican money and compensation for Hindoo discrimination.
https://hindupost.in/dharma-religion/andhra-pradesh-is-25-christian-now/

DonewithDebate says

@Tenpoundbass
Muslims don't run Bharat, They run Pakistan.
Muslims can only be blamed for pathetic condition of that country including violation of rights of minorities.

Really, how many mosques did Indian govt demolish? And how many temples did Indian govt demolish.

You just list all the rapes happening in India. But do you ever list who the perpetrators are?

Recently you shared a news of 14yr old raped in Maharastra. But you did not say the girl was a Dalit and she was lured by a muslim and raped by 13-14 muslims in span of 5 days.

DonewithDebate says

Christians are forced to call themselves Hindooo in a fear to lose monetary benefits only reserved for Hindoo using religious discrimination.
India being extremely poor( 80% live under $2 a day and without toilets) , Money is hard to come by.
Poor people should be allowed to get benefit from both Vatican money and compensation for Hindoo discrimination.

The premise is once you convert you will not be discriminated anymore. So you get fresh start and dont have to live of dole from govt. If Vatican wants to feed them to keep their flock hindus do not mind. But if tax money is given to them then why do present hindus give money to them.

The lower castes can get money from upper caste ancestors. The present generation did not oppress them why should their tax money be used to feed the lower castes. All the upper castes started from "zero" after independence because Indian govt took control of big land holders.

indc says

DonewithDebate says

Christians are forced to call themselves Hindooo in a fear to lose monetary benefits only reserved for Hindoo using religious discrimination.
India being extremely poor( 80% live under $2 a day and without toilets) , Money is hard to come by.
Poor people should be allowed to get benefit from both Vatican money and compensation for Hindoo discrimination.

The premise is once you convert you will not be discriminated anymore. So you get fresh start and dont have to live of dole from govt. If Vatican wants to feed them to keep their flock hindus do not mind. But if tax money is given to them then why do present hindus give money to them.

The lower castes can get money from upper caste ancestors. The present generation did not oppress them why should their tax money be used to feed the lower castes. All the upper castes started from "zero" after independence because In...

Hindooo run Bharat. They are responsible for human rights of minorities.
I won't accept any "Hindooo fault" in Pakistan as they don't run the country.

I do agree.. Pakistan Wahhabi are worse than Hindoo cult for criminality and violating human rights of minorities.
You can blame Muslims all you want for malaise in Pakistan... and I will agree.

indc says

DonewithDebate says

Christians are forced to call themselves Hindooo in a fear to lose monetary benefits only reserved for Hindoo using religious discrimination.
India being extremely poor( 80% live under $2 a day and without toilets) , Money is hard to come by.
Poor people should be allowed to get benefit from both Vatican money and compensation for Hindoo discrimination.

The premise is once you convert you will not be discriminated anymore. So you get fresh start and dont have to live of dole from govt. If Vatican wants to feed them to keep their flock hindus do not mind. But if tax money is given to them then why do present hindus give money to them.

The lower castes can get money from upper caste ancestors. The present generation did not oppress them why should their tax money be used to feed the lower castes. All the upper castes started from "zero" after independence because In...

Vatican money is too little.
The rules are already in place to provide them benefits based on their discrimination in past, Switching to Christians shouldn't stop benefits.
Do you accept that "present hindooo still discriminates" ? ... once in Christianity discrimination stops?.. If yes then why present hindoo generation is not responsible for caste discrimination?

Dholliday126 says

DonewithDebate says

The rules are already in place to provide them benefits based on their discrimination in past, Switching to Christians shouldn't stop benefits.
Do you accept that "present hindooo still discriminates" ? ... once in Christianity discrimination stops?.. If yes then why present hindoo generation is not responsible for caste discrimination?

Yes there are rules once you convert, you will loose the benefits.
No there is no discrimination right now. In fact there is reverse discrimination. But dont take my word check the Pew research.

Here is the link if you want to check:
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/06/29/key-findings-about-religion-in-india/

Members of lower caste groups historically have faced discrimination and unequal economic opportunities, but the survey finds that most people – including most members of lower castes – say there is not a lot of caste discrimination in India.

indc says

DonewithDebate says

The rules are already in place to provide them benefits based on their discrimination in past, Switching to Christians shouldn't stop benefits.
Do you accept that "present hindooo still discriminates" ? ... once in Christianity discrimination stops?.. If yes then why present hindoo generation is not responsible for caste discrimination?

Yes there are rules once you convert, you will loose the benefits.
No there is no discrimination right now. In fact there is reverse discrimination. But dont take my word check the Pew research.

Here is the link if you want to check:
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/06/29/key-findings-about-religion-in-india/

Members of lower caste groups historically have faced discrimination and ...

I will take your word for all you said.
If the "benefits" are based on past crimes, Why do they arbitrarily stop if person changes religion?
Person should be allowed to take both "Reparations" and new Vatican benefits.... as even after this, He/She still would have very poor existence.

DonewithDebate says

If the "benefits" are based on past crimes, Why do they arbitrarily stop if person changes religion?
Person should be allowed to take both "Reparations" and new Vatican benefits.... as even after this, He/She still would have very poor existence.

Brother asked a good question.

According to Indian constitution, minority religionists i.e. muslims, christians and sikhs cannot get "reparation" benefits since these religions have in-built equality according to their scriptures.

They did not think that people converting would still need those benefits.

And second point. These reparations were supposed to end 1-2 generation after independence. i.e they should have stop them by 1990's. But once people get free dole it is difficult to wean them away from it.

For the reverse discrimination i stated above:

https://www.opindia.com/2021/07/qatar-based-indian-phd-scholar-says-false-sc-st-case-filed-against-her-by-nagarjuna-university-professor-who-used-to-harass-her-online/

indc says

Brother asked a good question.

According to Indian constitution, minority religionists i.e. muslims, christians and sikhs cannot get "reparation" benefits since these religions have in-built equality according to their scriptures.

They did not think that people converting would still need those benefits.

And second point. These reparations were supposed to end 1-2 generation after independence. i.e they should have stop them by 1990's. But once people get free dole it is difficult to wean them away from it.

Sikhs should have equality as tried hard by Sikh gurus to end Caste system.
But It didn't end as I have seen my landlord ancestors doing discrimination with my own eyes.
I have no idea about Muslims.

If the "reparations" ends for all and Christian converters are on level field with Hindoo, Then we can say no discrimination by state.
Whether they should end after certain time is different issues not debated here.

Great strategy. All the Sikhs want to leave Hindooo land. This is great perk.
Does Canada have enough Visas for 20M+ Sikhs?

https://twitter.com/harishrajguru19/status/1437418964779368451
#PunjabConversionMafia
Offering Canada visa to punjabis seems to be the top most priority by the conversion mafia in Punjab Face with tears of joy

#PunjabConversionMafia

I agree.

Absolutely!

Bush deliberately started a war against Iraq under false pretenses after Saudis attacked America.

He should absolutely be tried for war crimes.

West either keep to themselves or drop help if they can afford..
Once they do this they will have no moral responsibility to take refugees.. Who agrees?

Yup. Guilty as charged.

However, it would be nice if justice and democracy would begin at home and it's been missing in action for a while, too.

Absolutely, but they are under the wing of globalists so media left and right will never go after them.

agree

The new elite’s phoney crusade to save the world – without changing anything
Today’s titans of tech and finance want to solve the world’s problems, as long as the solutions never, ever threaten their own wealth and power.

Selective justice only for unseemly competitors. Captured corrupt justice system means it is only deployed to impoverish and imprison challengers.

https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/1440599938937675778
“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”

Please make this picture viral wherever you can.
They continue to destroy livelihood of poor people by lock downs.

Kill the small businesses for their toady big businesses.

Just wait until the digital vax passports go into global worldwide swing. Even if your immune software is up to date, there's nothing to stop them from flagging you as "anti-vax scum" if you piss them off in any way. Who would even believe you? After the terrible Event of 2021, almost all dirty anti-vaxxers were put into camps and summarily exterminated. Justice be served!

DhammaStep says

Just wait until the digital vax passports go into global worldwide swing. Even if your immune software is up to date, there's nothing to stop them from flagging you as "anti-vax scum" if you piss them off in any way. Who would even believe you? After the terrible Event of 2021, almost all dirty anti-vaxxers were put into camps and summarily exterminated. Justice be served!

I am hopeful that this will fail.
Every action has reaction.. As we say in Punjabi .. people will eventually return principal with interest.
I think they seem desperate and may be seeing some nooses in dreams.... based on high voltage oppression.

Should he be given to dad/guardian of little girls he abused?
https://nypost.com/2021/09/22/bill-gates-squirms-when-asked-about-jeffrey-epstein-ties/

There is a limit to shamelessness of people like Bill Gates.
He went to Pedophile Epstien to improve "global health"... What do they think about public?... stupid?


https://nypost.com/2021/09/22/bill-gates-squirms-when-asked-about-jeffrey-epstein-ties/

DonewithDebate says

people will eventually return principal with interest.

Now that is a catchy phrase. Not always applicable though - Nicolae Ceaușescu certainly paid some interest, but Stalin, Mao and Castro did not.

If the same crimes were committed by any other than Hindooo cult, They would have been hanged by now.
Hindooo land is pathetic for everyone(80% no toilets) , But outright dangerous for minorities.

The context was a massacre of Hindus by Muslims the previous day:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godhra_train_burning

Patrick says

The context was a massacre of Hindus by Muslims the previous day:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godhra_train_burning

Yes these two cults of Islam are good at killing innocents.
Wahabbi Pakistan and Hindooo land have worst outcome for their citizens. To hide incompetence they engage in minority massacres.

Hindooo cult started this round by destroying wahabi's mosque.
The Godhra Train Burning was an incident that occurred on the morning of 27 February 2002, in which 59 Hindu pilgrims and karsevaks returning from Ayodhya, were killed in a fire inside the Sabarmati Express train near the Godhra railway station in the Indian state of Gujarat.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demolition_of_the_Babri_Masjid

It has almost become fashion for women to call themselves "feminists".. What does it really means?
Ability and freedom to do soft porn?.. or fight for equal rights?

Strange part is that all the digital platforms love "feminism" as it generates lot of revenue for them.... Is that feminism to make more money for platforms?

DonewithDebate says

It has almost become fashion for women to call themselves "feminists".. What does it really means?

I'm all for feminism as equal opportunity for women (except perhaps for the military, in which I think combat roles especially should be limited to men).

But I think much of feminism is a demand for equality of outcome instead of equality of opportunity.

They see mostly men in high status positions, but they don't see that most men are not in those high status positions either.

And it's not like someone just plunked those high-status men down in their jobs. They were usually quite aggressive at getting them, more aggressive than I think most women want to be.

Patrick says

DonewithDebate says

It has almost become fashion for women to call themselves "feminists".. What does it really means?

I'm all for feminism as equal opportunity for women (except perhaps for the military, in which I think combat roles especially should be limited to men).

But I think much of feminism is a demand for equality of outcome instead of equality of opportunity.

They see mostly men in high status positions, but they don't see that most men are not in those high status positions either.

And it's not like someone just plunked those high-status men down in their jobs. They were usually quite aggressive at getting them, more aggressive than I think most women want to be.

Many women are much well off compared to poor men.
If the equality of outcome is desired especially financial , It mostly need a class struggle ...not gender struggle.

If "outcome" theoretically need to be equal.. Just declare country communist.

See that's what I'm talking about. I was born in this country over 50 years ago. When I went to school they taught us History through an unfiltered lens. We didn't have Liberals trying to acid wash it for us.

Please look up the Suffrage movement for a full synopsis of how Feminism got started.
Around the same time it was coinciding with the end of the Holy Alliance, and many European revolts and civil wars.
The Suffragette movement was the same forces, that eventually led to the Bolshevik revolution in Russia. They were trying to do the same here.
Everything from the Suffragette movement to Swine Flu, was about bringing down the world powers, in Europe and the Americas.

Agitating Lefties, trying to create turmoil and mayhem throughout the world. The Left have always been the dangerous destructive forces throughout the ages. While they convince people that the problem with the sane conservative gentry people.

Lefties wanting to give women the right to vote, was all about destroying our Country. They knew Women at the time were not sophisticated on world political affairs, save for the exception. And if you go back and look at pre suffragette women who were savvy about world affairs and politics, had no problem being voicing their opinions and having possitions of power. The (certain political religious faction) wanted to create chaos and bring down America by convincing women who never gave voting a thought, they needed to vote.

Suffrage, political franchise, or simply franchise is the right to vote in public, political elections (although the term is sometimes used for any right to vote).[1][2][3] In some languages, and occasionally in English, the right to vote is called active suffrage, as distinct from passive suffrage, which is the right to stand for election.[4] The combination of active and passive suffrage is sometimes called full suffrage.[5]

If you go back and look at the Politicians and political machines that sprung up in America as a result of that movement. That's when we got the worst Presidents, that were the most widely unpopular, and corrupt pollical machines that made deals in the open with impunity.

Check out Tammany Hall to see some the handy work that movement created.

The Tammany Society emerged as the center for Democratic-Republican Party politics in the city in the early 19th century. After 1854, the Society expanded its political control even further by earning the loyalty of the city's rapidly expanding immigrant community, which functioned as its base of political capital. The business community appreciated its readiness, at moderate cost, to cut through regulatory and legislative mazes to facilitate rapid economic growth.

Does all of this sound familiar?

It may seem like the End times, but we've been here before.

https://twitter.com/RaviSinghKA/status/1441031704681009154
Fake charges Indian extradition of UK Sikhs dangling money failed in first 10 minutes of court appearance.
Hindoo land is totally disgusting and is also spoiling the system of other countries using their Hindooo agents in foreign governments.