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bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

Why would the BBC appeal the case? They won

They didn't get their money.

It was a 6-month conditional discharge. Do you understand what happens if he continues to go down his path of non-payment?

And I notice you didn't answer my question:

"would you like to tell me which parts of your claim that he sued the BBC and won the case in the HIGH COURT were correct?"

Please feel free to address any or all points in that question.

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

It was a 6-month conditional discharge. Do you understand what happens if he continues to go down his path of non-payment?

He will demand the evidence of BBC lying be entered into evidence. The judge will refuse and he will get another 6 months and on and on.

Except he isn't appealing, is he? And you do not never endingly get handed the same sentence for a conditional discharge. The sentence will become more severe. And I see you singularly failed to answer my question.

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

Except he isn't appealing, is he?

Why should he if he doesn't have to pay?

Oh, I thought you said before that he won the case. Now, it seems that you are arguing he lost the case but (only in a blathering truther's mind) actually won it because there wasn't a substantial fine. Ha, ha, ha. And he does have to pay for his TV licence fee now though, doesn't he (along with the court costs of the case that he LOST)? If he doesn't, guess what happens.

And I notice you've still failed to answer my earlier question. I'll repeat it again seeing as you appear to have forgotten:

Would you like to tell me which parts of your claim that he sued the BBC and won the case in the HIGH COURT were correct?

bgamall4 says

Remember, if only one of these is irrefutable, 9/11 was a conspiracy.

Pull comment by owner of WTC7

Firefighters saw tower explosions on lower floor

Dan Rather said it was exploded

Prereporting WTC7 collapse

Squibs sighted

Rate of fall of WTC7 was unhindered. No pancake

Howard Dean Questioning W's involvement and W cries showing guilt

John Kerry said it was a controlled demolition.

So let me get this straight... if, for example, Dan Rather said that the towers were brought down by explosives, you consider that as irrefutable proof of a conspiracy.

Ha, ha, ha.

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

So let me get this straight... if, for example, Dan Rather said that the towers were brought down by explosives, you consider that as irrefutable proof of a conspiracy.

He was an eyewitness and heard the explosions and detonations.

Lots of people said many different things on that particular day, much of it speculation and inaccurate speculation at that - as with his comments. I know because I, like very many others, saw it unfold live on TV and heard the varying reports. And Dan Rather was reporting live from a studio, wasn't he? If that counts as being an eye witness, then I too was an eye witness all the way over in England. What, by the way, has Dan Rather said since then? And more to the point, why do you think that off-the-cuff speculation by a journalist to fill air time is proof of anything?
You'd be better served questioning Rather's journalistic performance in his slavering support of Bush post 9/11 rather than raising up a bit of on screen prattling as some kind of proof of an extraordinary claim.

You still haven't answered my question about the Rooke case. Clearly you are incapable of admitting you are completely wrong even when the facts so clearly show you to be. But, hey, I'm sure you'll continue to try and bullshit your way out of the corner you've painted yourself into.

There were a lot of people dancing on 9/11/2001

http://www.youtube.com/embed/j7TfLPgZQGQ

http://www.youtube.com/embed/oMOZvbYJMvU

Pretty quick on the delete button there eh Bgamall? Before I will ask the same question of bigsby on a separate thread (where you don't have deletion powers) do you want to allow it here such that you at least have some control over the information?

Either way, let me know.

Here's the guys themselves speaking:
http://www.youtube.com/embed/EeD9XPn_lg4

bgamall4 says

Here is the woman who destroys your case, Bigsby:

Your humour knows no bounds.

You still haven't answered my question about the Rooke case. Care to retract your points or are you just going to wait a while and simply repost your completely inaccurate claims once again?

bgamall4 says

This will blow your mind Bigsby: http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fematape.html

About the stupidity of the sites you read?

bgamall4 says

Personally, I don't know if the Dancing Israelis were part of the attacks or if they were going to blow up bridges if the attacks didn't go as planned. I don't know. I do know that they said they were there to cover the event. They had to know about the event and they had explosives. Why would you have explosives if you are just covering an event?

What do you find so problematic about this description of the 'dancing Israelis' apart from it, of course, not fitting your already preformed narrative?

http://www.911myths.com/html/dancing_israelis.html

Note the part about explosives at the end.

Say hey! This was in the Wall Street Journal on March 30, 1999. Note "... how much it will buy."

Holy cow/interesting/compelling ...!

And where is it up to date??? Right here ... see the first chart shown in this thread.
Recent Dow day is Wednesday, October 23, 2013 __ Level is 98.3

WOW! It is hideous that this is hidden! Is there any such "Homes, Inflation Adjusted"? Yes indeed, go here:
http://patrick.net/?p=1219038&c=999083#comment-999083

And since you also deleted my Rooke post, I'll ask again. You are complaining about rewriting history and yet you claim Rooke sued the BBC and won the case in the High Court. Care to retract that entire statement considering it is completely wrong? And why do you find it impossible to admit you were wrong?

Say hey! This was in the Wall Street Journal on March 30, 1999. Note "... how much it will buy."

Holy cow/interesting/compelling ...!

And where is it up to date??? Right here ... see the first chart shown in this thread.
Recent Dow day is Thursday, October 24, 2013 __ Level is 98.9

WOW! It is hideous that this is hidden! Is there any such "Homes, Inflation Adjusted"? Yes indeed, go here:
http://patrick.net/?p=1219038&c=999083#comment-999083

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

Note the part about explosives at the end.

Rewriting history. That is no proof of anything. They originally reported there were explosives. You have to go with the first report.

Why do you "have to go with the first report"? Isnt it possible the first report was not-accurate? For example did Dewey really defeat Truman?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dewey_Defeats_Truman

In any event, less than 8 Minutes after they reported people in custody with explosives, they retracted it and said no explosives were found. Isnt it possible that the simply made a mistake when they reported explosives and then corrected it 8 minutes later?

Opps....500,000 in 3 states lose coverage.

More Americans In 3 States Have Had Their Insurance Canceled Under ObamaCare Than Have Filed An Exchange Account In All 50

reality of the ObamaCare roll-out appeared in a set of news stories that serve as an ironic juxtaposition. Over 500,000 individuals have seen their insurance policies cancelled in just 3 states. In all 50 states, only 476,000 applications have been “filed” in an exchange. (Even though we are still learning the true definition of “filed.”)

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/10/24/more-americans-have-had-their-insurance-canceled-under-obamacare-than-have-filed-an-exchange-account/

Call it Crazy says

So much for that promise

Ah what's one more broken promise.. ;)

What difference does it make as long as Homeboy is covered and receives hefty subsidy?

It'll only get worse. Funny thing is, those of us on the other side of the fence never had to lift a finger to sink this thing.

It certainly goes far enough to give the insurance companies extra money! The medical industrial complex can now become twice as bloated and provide half the service! Isn't socialism great?

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

Oh, and your evidence that it was a cover up is what exactly?

And your evidence that it wasn't a cover up is what exactly?

If a tie means you think you are winning you are a fool Bigs.

You are the one making the outlandish claim that runs contrary to the evidence about what happened. How would you expect me to go about disproving a claim by you that fairies live in the bottom of your garden? You've got the facts about what happened, as you now have about the Rooke case. You just choose to conjure up an entirely separate tale that doesn't take the real, fact-based evidence under consideration. That isn't a tie as you put it. That is you misrepresenting the known facts in an attempt to bolster your overall narrative.

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

You are the one making the outlandish claim that runs contrary to the evidence about what happened.

The truth about 9/11 does not stand or fall with explosives in the vans of the Dancing Israelis. You are nuts.

Eh? Who said it did?

Call it Quits says

If they do show up because the government threatens them with fines the economy collapses as $3,200 a year exceeds the average 27 year old's disposable personal income after mandatory expenses (e.g. food, shelter, etc.)

If they can't afford it they will get a subsidy. And you know that perfectly well; you just deliberately neglected to mention it. You Obamacare haters don't have a leg to stand on fact-wise, so you have to make up lies.

Problem #2: Dingbat Karl Denninger says $266.20/month is the "average" rate a 27 year old will pay. Complete bullshit! That is the average of ALL plans OFFERED in all of the states that are using the federal exchange (basically the red states). That's like averaging a Maserati and a Toyota Corolla and claiming the "average" price a person must pay for a car is $79,000!

YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY THE MOST EXPENSIVE INSURANCE PLAN, FOLKS. If you go to his data link and click to sort by price, some of those plans are as cheap as $81/month.

Duh.

Homeboy says

If you go to his data link and click to sort by price, some of those plans are as cheap as $81/month.

Even if that's true, how many 27 year old have a spare $972 to spend each year?

Article clearly states that the pricing is for unsubsidized people. I don't know why you are complaining about that.

I don't like the way the article is written, but if you read further down, they do make a lot of good points about how medical cost structure in the US is way too high, and of course nothing is done about that in Obamacare.

The federal government seems to be doing it's best to make medical treatments more expensive:
http://www.mises.org/daily/6567/The-FDA-A-Pain-From-the-Neck-to-the-Big-Toe

In the summer of 2009, the Food and Drug Administration approved Colcrys as a treatment for gout flare-ups and the Mediterranean fever. The FDA gave pharmaceutical company URL Pharma an exclusive marketing agreement for selling Colcrys in exchange for completing studies on Colcrys and paying the FDA a $45 million application fee.

Once again government has taken something that was both cheap and beneficial and turned it into a monopoly that hurts the general public and drives up the cost of medical care to the benefit of Big Pharma.

CMY says

It'll only get worse. Funny thing is, those of us on the other side of the fence never had to lift a finger to sink this thing.

If Irony was art, that would be the freaking Mona Lisa.

zzyzzx says

Homeboy says

If you go to his data link and click to sort by price, some of those plans are as cheap as $81/month.

Even if that's true, how many 27 year old have a spare $972 to spend each year?

I would add that the 81 buck a month policy is a crappy illusion of a simulacrum of insurance coverage.
It may be "affordable' but it ain't "health care".

This is now Speculation Part 2 after the bust in 2008; just found another vehicle, but the same old "shell game" that they used prior to the 2008 crash....it will not stop until they reinstate the same laws they had put in place with Roosevelt after the 1929 crash.....until then, its just onto the the next 'game' for the wall street players and we pay the bill; either through taxes or another crash, or both...

I've had a plan for four years for a family of four. Two children and two healthy adults in our forties. We received a termination notice because our plan doesn't meet the Obamacare guidelines. With all incentives our premium will more than double. I support the goal of Obamacare, but I was counting on keeping my plan as promised by my president. If I didn't keep my plan I thought I was going to get cheaper insurance. Both didn't happen. As a supporter of the plan I feel betrayed.

It won't screw anyone. But I am sure this sort of nonsense dialog will continue amongst those on the far right, whom got their feelings hurt that the fake grass roots movement they believe in failed to stop Obamacare from getting implemented...

ThreeBays says

zzyzzx says

To be un-subsidized a single person would have to have an income of $45k+.

On average why can't someone single with $45k income, spare $972? Any evidence of that?

$972/year is my budget for visiting war memorials.

I have no idea where I will find another $972 for health insurance, and I make far more than $45,000.

These made-up facts and horror stories about Benghazicare are so scary that I believe it will drive all Americans offshore, where talent is taxed less heavily.

d503 says

I've had a plan for four years for a family of four. Two children and two
healthy adults in our forties. We received a termination notice because our plan
doesn't meet the Obamacare guidelines. With all incentives our premium will more
than double. I support the goal of Obamacare, but I was counting on keeping my
plan as promised by my president. If I didn't keep my plan I thought I was going
to get cheaper insurance. Both didn't happen. As a supporter of the plan I feel
betrayed.

Forgive me if I'm a bit skeptical of this story...

d503 says

I've had a plan for four years for a family of four. Two children and two healthy adults in our forties. We received a termination notice because our plan doesn't meet the Obamacare guidelines. With all incentives our premium will more than double. I support the goal of Obamacare, but I was counting on keeping my plan as promised by my president. If I didn't keep my plan I thought I was going to get cheaper insurance. Both didn't happen. As a supporter of the plan I feel betrayed.

A friend of mine...same thing. Serious health issues caused him to lose his job in 2007. With the help of family, he used Cobra while he recovered then got on individual insurance for a reasonable amount(around $2500/year) with same co pays group plans have with this HMO. He became gainfully employed again but still has lingering issues and years of followup and no insurance through the new employer. Still he wAs fine on his individual plan.

He just got dropped and the similar plans on the exchange are around double what he was paying. No he's not qualified for subsidy, and he makes an income in CA that many posters here scoff at for being insufficient.

edvard2 says

It won't screw anyone.

What an absurd blanket statement. Cause you say so, huh?

edvard2 says

But I am sure this sort of nonsense dialog will continue amongst those on the far right

I am a long, long ways from the far right, but I know 2000 pages of lobbyist written, insurance industry pandering, bullshit when it clumsily staggers out of Washington and into my life, unasked for, and solving none of my "health care" access issues.

tatupu70 says

d503 says

I've had a plan for four years for a family of four. Two children and two

healthy adults in our forties. We received a termination notice because our plan

doesn't meet the Obamacare guidelines. With all incentives our premium will more

than double. I support the goal of Obamacare, but I was counting on keeping my

plan as promised by my president. If I didn't keep my plan I thought I was going

to get cheaper insurance. Both didn't happen. As a supporter of the plan I feel

betrayed.

Forgive me if I'm a bit skeptical of this story...

Oh yeah?
Well I am skeptical of all the uncritical, unthinking Obama groupies who respond to criticism of this boondoggle legislation with;
Uh-Uh or No Way or I Doubt It.

Robert Sproul says

Oh yeah?
Well I am skeptical of all the uncritical, unthinking Obama
groupies who respond to criticism of this boondoggle legislation with;
Uh-Uh
or No Way or I Doubt It.

Hey--I'm skeptical of it too. I think Bob's analysis on another thread is right on. This is a very small step in the right direction. The overall goal HAS to be lowering healthcare costs.

Personally, I don't think we can do it with a for-profit model. But, I'm open to other ideas.

d503 says

I was counting on keeping my plan as promised by my president.

He was referring to employer-provided plans, not individual plans.

tatupu70 says

The overall goal HAS to be lowering healthcare costs.

This.
All we are arguing about currently is who is going to pay for the ridiculously overpriced, corrupted system that is foisted on us in the name of "health care".

Robert Sproul says

tatupu70 says

The overall goal HAS to be lowering healthcare costs.

This.

All we are arguing about now is who is going to pay for the ridiculously overpriced, corrupted system that is foisted on us in the name of "health care".

Yep. I expect traffic to increase to places like this substantially:

http://www.healthcitycaymanislands.com/